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Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 5:58pm On Oct 25, 2016
Anas09:
That email address is not even complete, meaning i'll still not get your mail. Let me Pm u again.
I have responded to your PM email address. Check thoroughly all emails dropped, check spam folder and all
Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff:
Anas09:
Pls sent yet again to XxxxxX@xxxxxx
I have to have you. cheesy
Sent as requested, now you can remove your email address from this thread
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Didn't God Curse Man But The Ground by MuttleyLaff: 2:32pm On Oct 24, 2016
Kalatium:
In the book of Genesis, when humans sin against God. When God pronounced his judgement, he curse the serpent and pronounced punishment on eve but he didn't curse man instead he curse the ground. Why did you think God did that?
And to the man he said, "Since you listened to your wife and ate from the tree whose fruit I commanded you not to eat, the ground is cursed because of you. All your life you will struggle to scratch a living from it
- Genesis 3:17

The assumption that God cursed the ground is not correct, and hence any conclusion drawn from this kind of premise will be in error.

What God confirmed in Genesis 3:17 was that: The ground is cursed on your account, the ground is cursed and is no longer blessed because of what you have done.

It is what Adam did to the ground that got it corrupted and rendered it cursed.

God did not curse the ground. The ground became cursed because of something heinous Adam did to it
Christianity Etc › Re: Sisterme Is Back ! Hope I Was Missed? by MuttleyLaff: 11:36pm On Oct 23, 2016
SisterMe:
grin grin grin grin grin grin Bros... no vex ehn? i dey come......
Madam... vex ke?
You dey come? Pull the other one

SisterMe:
e be like say you dey find persin wen you go..... lipsrsealed I no talk again grin grin grin grin
Nothing at all to do with '''e be like say you dey find persin wen you go...''
Why you no wan talk again nau, no bi you before dey halla about rapture?
You immediately come develop cold feet, after persin ask una to share more on the rapture subject plus share all the scriptures una get the rapture concept from

Talk ooo, there is no excuse(s) because no bi thesis or long tori I request.
One or two sentences, with ALL scriptures backing up this claim will do.
Christianity Etc › Re: Sisterme Is Back ! Hope I Was Missed? by MuttleyLaff:
SisterMe:
Okay, I take it you are not a muslim. You are not an atheist. You are not a pagan.
That means... huh You must be a christian of some sort cheesy cheesy cheesy Brilliant!!!-
No, that means... 100%, I am who I am

The brilliance shown so far is flagrantly ducking from sharing more on the rapture subject you dangled about
and shying from answering ''Which scripture(s) this ''rapture'' doctrine is based on?'' question

SisterMe:
clap for mee..
Clap for you ke?
Isnt it aaaaa....mazing that a closet narcissist who is yet to share more on the rapture subject dangled about
and yet to answer the ''Which scripture(s) this ''rapture'' doctrine is based on?'' question wants to be given a round of applause
Christianity Etc › Re: The Church Can Bail Nigeria Out Of Recession - Pastor Tunde Bakare by MuttleyLaff:
ikorodureporta:
Pastor Tunde Bakare said the current economic recession was an opportunity for the church to bail out the country through God-inspired economic principles.

Bakare, a senior pastor, Latter Rain Assembly Lagos, stated this on Saturday in Abuja. He spoke on the theme ''The church and economic recession'', at the anniversary celebration of Foursquare Gospel Church.

He said that the church had the ability to bail out nations, influence public policy through God-inspired economic principles, and strategically position human resources to implement its principles.....

Oga Seun, Lalasticlala, Mynd44 - what sayeth thou undecided
Seun:
The church could allow its members to keep their tithes and first fruits so the money will be used more productively in the useful-stuff economy.
DeSepiero:
They could also pay taxes to the government and undertake corporate social responsibilities in their localities.
Inspectahdeck:
I totally agree with you sir.
A lot of monies pass through the church (tithes, offerings, pledge, school fees, 10-20 page books etc.).
They can help the economy by paying tax and empowerment instead of accumulating wealth.
Amigos, even if the church allow its members to keep their tithes and first fruits, towards the money be used more productively, nothing will change,
because the recession in the country is caused by years of reckless governance and wickedness perpetuated in high places

It will be more money for thieving fingers and grubby hands to grab, chop and clean mouth from
and the status quo, if not worsening, will remain the same, unless the evil and morally wrong practice of government officials, top party members, top army personnels etcetera enriching themselves at the country's citizens and voters expense is curbed.

The church can bail Nigeria out of recession, ONLY, if it begins reorienting the people for an indiscriminate and total realisation of 2 Chronicles 7:14

However, if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves, pray, search for me, and turn from their wicked ways,
then I will hear [their prayer] from heaven, forgive their sins, and heal their country

- 2 Chronicles 7:14
Christianity Etc › Re: Sisterme Is Back ! Hope I Was Missed? by MuttleyLaff: 9:04pm On Oct 23, 2016
SisterMe:
A ha ha ha..you make me laugh my dear..
It's no laughing matter so quit the laugh(s)

This is not a laughing matter my dear...
The original and still intent was not and is not to make you laugh
but to make you share more on this rapture subject you dangle about
and hold you to answer the ''Which scripture(s) do you base this ''rapture'' doctrine on?'' question
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Behind Hallelujah. by MuttleyLaff: 4:51pm On Oct 23, 2016
ferdvict2:
We all attend churches and we are asked to shout hallelujah.

I have checked the dictionaries and yet no one has given the deeper meaning of it nor the mystery behind it.

Can Christians tell us the mystery Hallelujah.
ezugegere:
Hallelujah is not an English word. I think it is a Hebrew word meaning praise be to God.
After these things I heard what sounded like the loud noise from a large crowd in heaven, saying,
"Hallelujah! Salvation, glory, and power belong to our God

- Revelation 19:1

Hallelujah! Praise the LORD from the heavens; praise Him in the heights.
- Psalm 148:1

ezugegere has aptly answered you

Asking to shout hallelujah, is a call to joyously praise God or to joyously boast in God.

God's name is YHWH, and Jah or Yah, is a shortened form of YHWH
Hallel in Hebrew means a joyous praise in song, to boast in God.
Christianity Etc › Re: Does This Image Represent The True Almighty God?? by MuttleyLaff: 4:21pm On Oct 23, 2016
ikorodureporta:
I'v been checking out different religious sects on how God is represented....from Catholics, Jehovah Witnesses, Amorchs, Freemasons, Ogbonis, & some other pentecostal sects- they all have links to the All-Seeing-Eye image.

Does the image represent *occultism,? *The True Almighty God,? *Or itz just a general representation of God??
sekundosekundo:
Pls sometimes ignore some threads, they just want to ridicule God and Christians.
Dont have to ignore some threads, especially when/if it gets to a point not to tolerate ignorance

ikorodureporta:
Why do u want it ignored?
I want us to learn from our opinion
.
Now, see this image i got from a catholic cathechism book depicting the all-seeing eye...
See, the stone I have set in front of Joshua!
There are seven eyes on that one stone, and I will engrave an inscription on it,' says the LORD Almighty,
'and I will remove the sin of this land in a single day

- Zechariah 3:9

For whoever has despised the day of small things shall rejoice, and shall see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel.
“These seven are the eyes of the LORD, which range through the whole earth
”
- Zechariah 4:10

Then I saw a Lamb that looked as if it had been slaughtered,
but it was now standing between the throne and the four living beings and among the twenty-four elders.
The lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which represent the sevenfold Spirit of God that is sent out into every part of the earth.

- Revelation 5:6

We can learn from the above Zechariah 3:9, Zechariah 4:10 or Revelation 5:6 verses,
that God has ''All Seeing Eyes'', and not an ''All-Seeing-Eye''

The ''All Seeing Eyes'', and not an ''All-Seeing-Eye'' truth is clear,
now note, seven, is symbolised to represent God's ''All Seeing Eyes''.

the seven, as a matter of fact, is used, because seven is the number of completeness, totality, fullness, all and perfection
You hear about 20/20 vision, but Herman Snellen has no measurement for God 's ''All Seeing Eyes'' vision

Those seven eyes in Zechariah 3:9, Zechariah 4:10 or Revelation 5:6 are so penetrating
that God, in Hebrews 4:13, asks: "Can a man hide himself in hiding places, so I do not see him?"
God's eyes are Omnipresent, they are ubiquitous ''All Seeing Eyes''

What this post, in effect is saying is that, all these ''All-Seeing-Eye image'' do not represent the true Almighty God
and that the ''All-Seeing-Eye'' image(ries) pasted on this thread and/or in your posts is not God's
but certainly can be or would be Satan's eye.

Nothing in all creation, is hidden from God's sight.
Everything is NAK€D, laid bare and exposed before the eyes of God (i.e. which are ''All Seeing Eyes'' and not an ''All Seeing Eye'')

The LORD's eyes scan the whole world to find those whose hearts are committed to him and to strengthen them.
You acted foolishly in this matter. So from now on, you will have to fight wars

- 2 Chronicles 16:9

The eyes of the LORD are everywhere, observing the wicked and the good
- Proverbs 15:3
Christianity Etc › Re: Sisterme Is Back ! Hope I Was Missed? by MuttleyLaff: 4:19pm On Oct 23, 2016
SisterMe:
Ah,..beloved....I can sniff landmines..
and there is one here
... and I can sniff quack, quack, quack chicken...
and this chicken has little or no faith to stand on or walk on the word in Psalm 23:4

SisterMe:
Well I think your answer is relevant so I will know how to answer nau..ehn
I am none of the aforementioned, so go just ahead nau, bite the bullet... ehn
Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 4:18pm On Oct 23, 2016
Image123:
Go and tithe, could be devourer lol.
https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif
Debunked pastorpreneur old wives' tale
Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 4:18pm On Oct 23, 2016
Anas09:
I have ooo.
Hmm, the gremlins have devoured it, perhaps grin grin grin
That will so much just make Image123's ''I told you so, to tithe'' day
Christianity Etc › Re: Sisterme Is Back ! Hope I Was Missed? by MuttleyLaff: 8:17pm On Oct 18, 2016
SisterMe:
Oh dear, you a quoting the scriptures wonderfully like a christian. wink
Believers shouldnt be ''Burdened Under Satan's Yoke'' nau

SisterMe:
So tell me my dear, are you a Muslim, pagan or atheist.. smiley
Whether I am a Muslim, pagan or an atheist is not relevant to the ''care to share more on this rapture subject. Which scripture(s) do you base this ''rapture'' doctrine on'' question, is it?
Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 8:17pm On Oct 18, 2016
Anas09:
I still havent seen it. And i need you.
I sent to the two or both mail addresses
and Ive just sent a generic generated ffom Nairaland
Have you checked the two mail addresses spam folders?
Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff:
Anas09:
I have not seen it oo
Check your spam folder

Anas09:
Okay use my other handle. Analice107@gmail.com
Ive forwarded the previous reply to this one.
If you havent seen it, in this as well, then again, check the spam folder for it

Anas09:
You are in serious trouble cheesy cheesy cheesy
Isaiah 43:2 and Psalm 23:4
For these reassurances, thank you Abba smiley smiley smiley
Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff:
Image123:
BabaGionee abi BabaTecno abi whats that your former name, take time oh
https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif
Yimu...

Image123:
i don't fit the TOP or OLD description, meanwhile Mike is indeed OLD
You fit both descriptions jaare. Both fit, like a hand in a glove
You're a top dog teaching, not just old but also obsolete tithing tricks to new dogs

Image123:
Maybe you, I am not under the law neither does my tithe pass under any such rod
You are not under the law neither does your tithe pass under any such rod?
OK, I beg you indulge me with your answer

Abram's tithe, we know. The Israelites tithing we know, now which is yours?
What type of tithe is yours then?
Is your tithe, the voluntary practice kind or is your tithe, the commanded practice kind?
Is it the Abram's tithe format you practise or is it the Israelites tithing format you practise?

Image123:
This is lame and paralysed and you know it
Nothing lame and paralysed in saying:
Abraham gave tithe of ALL,
where ALL,
means: ''Abraham gave a tenth of all he had captured in battle and gave it to Melchizedek aka priest

Without labouring all the technicalities of tithing, fact 1 in that remark, is that, Abram is not a priest nor a king, Melchizedek is a priest and a king
also, fact 2 in that remark, is that, not all the Israelites were priests, as the Levites are the only Israelites that were priests
and lastly, fact 3, in that remark, is the physical transfer of tithe from the hand of a non-priest to the hand of a priest or priest-king

Image123:
Children of God are priests and kings.
And those that so serve in the house of God serve under the Priest Jesus after the order of Melchizedek. You know these so i wonder why you feign ignorance
Glad to read you accepting that every believer aka children of God is a royal priesthood
Glad you admit every believer is a king and priest, same as Melchizedek is a king and priest...

SMH, now what is this your ''house of God''? What is the meaning of ''house of God''?
You're treading on thin ice, so be careful with your answers

Image123:
Anyone that knows the purpose of the tithe doesn't make these lame arguments that Mike and co keep making
What is the purpose of the tithe?
What is the purpose of Abram's tithe?
Why did Abram's tithe?

What is the purpose of the Israelite tithe?
Why did the Israelite tithe?

Image123:
We do not live in an agrarian society
You do know what ''plunder'' means
Well though already very wealthy Abram lived in an agrarian society,
funnily enough he didn't tithe on his PERSONAL crops or on his PERSONAL farmland animals.
Dont you think that is weird?

Yes, Abram never tithed from his income or personal wealth, instead he tithed on plunder
Abram tithed on valuables, goods etcetera he SEIZED BY FORCE from four Mesopotamian kings

Image123:
and nobody dies by giving tithes to God
Conversely, and nobody dies by not giving obsolete tithes to God too

Abram's tithing in Genesis 14:20 wasnt credited to him as righteousness, like what happened in Genesis 15:6.
Abram's tithing in Genesis 14:20 didn't get him a name transformation from Abram to Abraham, like what occurred in Genesis 17:5

Bet you're getting the drift, and know, tithing was/is replaced with something new
Christianity Etc › Re: Sisterme Is Back ! Hope I Was Missed? by MuttleyLaff: 5:59am On Oct 18, 2016
SisterMe:
Where are all my old friends from 2014 grin grin grin. God bless all you dearies....
God bless you too dearie

SisterMe:
Its the end time...and I just want to put in just a little bit more for Master Jesus before the rapture strikes
Ooookay, care to share more on this rapture subject
Which scripture(s) do you base this ''rapture'' doctrine on?

SisterMe:
So I will resume my posts like I used to do.Will try to keep up, but you know..busy busy busyyyy...
busy busy busyyyy... has been known to mean Burdened Under Satan's Yoke
but of course that kind of busy isn't your portion,
because that of Matthew 11:29-30 is more like what is your portion
Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 8:02pm On Oct 17, 2016
Anas09:
I just sent u a mail. Pls reply
Hope I havent gotten into trouble
I've seen the mail and have duly replied
Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 7:07am On Oct 17, 2016
Image123:
You fit the saying that you can't teach a old dog new tricks
and you fit the saying of ''Top dog teaching new dogs old tithing tricks''

Image123:
There's nothing like monetary tithe or any weird classification in the Bible
Glad you know and admit that there's nothing like monetary tithe in the Bible
What is close to monetary tithe, is where an Israelite pays tithe on sales, after buying back the tithe, (i.e. buying back the tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops)
however, the Israelite pays the going rate or value of the bought back the tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops tithe, plus 20 percent on top for this privilege

Image123:
Bible speaks of tithes simply as a tenth
and that is to hand-pick for tithe, the tenth livestock (e.g. cows, lambs) that passes under the rod.
meanwhile, if you started with 1 livestock (e.g. 1 cow or 1 lamb) and at the end of year, bred and raised 9 cows or just 9 lambs, then you dont pay tithe for that year

Image123:
Abraham gave tithe of ALL. Nobody died
Abraham gave tithe of ALL,
where ALL means ''Abraham gave a tenth of all he had captured in battle and gave it to Melchizedek aka priest

You accept that the common denominator in all biblical tithe giving (e.g. Abraham's tithe and the Israelites tithing) is a priest or Levite physically receiving the tithe
so the implication of the above observation, is that a pastor, a prophet, an apostle or a preacher are neither a priest or Levite,
and hence none of them should have any business receiving tithe nor have any jurisdiction over tithe.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did The Curse Of Adam And Eve Affect Most Of The Other Animals? by MuttleyLaff:
hopefulLandlord:
Why did the curse of Adam and Eve affect most of the other animals?

Question for Christians

In the book of Genesis, the Christian God cursed Adam that he'll suffer before he eats

If we are to accept these, how come most animals too suffer for food?
because according to Genesis 3:17, it is the ground that is cursed on account of Adam
(i.e. the ground is cursed because of Adam)

If Genesis 2:19, says out of the ground, were animals formed,
and later, the animals' source (i.e. the ground) according to Genesis 3:17, is cursed,
then the ''mechanics'' of animals effectively becomes cursed too via the opened ''Pandora's box''

hopefulLandlord:
But Some animals migrate for weeks/months all for food by land, water, air even ice just to survive. How is that different from what you & I do to survive?

Cursed eve that she'll give birth in pain and agony
Eve was not cursed. God never said He cursed Adam or Eve
The serpent and the ground alone were cursed but not Adam or Eve

hopefulLandlord:
How come most animals too labour during birth

"it’s known that many animals show some signs of pain and distress. During labor, horses sometimes sweat, llamas and alpacas bellow or hum in a way similar to when they are injured, and many animals become more aggressive."

"the most horrifying birth is that of the spotted hyena. Females of this species give birth through a narrow, penis-like, enlarged clitoris."
because according to Genesis 3:17, it is the ground that is cursed on account of Adam
(i.e. the ground is cursed because of Adam)

hopefulLandlord:
Since god cursed the Serpent, Adam and Eve alone, how come other animals appear to be cursed also?

If I'm missing a passage where god cursed other animals, kindly point it out
Genesis 2:19, says out of the ground, were animals formed,
later, according to Genesis 3:17, the animals' source (i.e. the ground), is cursed,
and so, the ''mechanics'' of animals effectively becomes cursed too as a result of opening a ''Pandora's box''

Animals which were formed from the ground, animals that creep, crawl or walk on the ground,
in essence, the ground and whatever has contact with the ground is cursed
(i.e. ALL NO LONGER IS BLESSED ENOUGH to continue enjoying perfection)

Again, God never cursed Adam or Eve
The serpent and the ground alone were what was cursed and not Adam or Eve
The ''mechanics'' of every thing that came out the ground including the ''mechanics'' of animals is cursed because of Adam

Forget Genesis 1:31, because after Genesis 3:6, things were no longer very good and no one was smiling, when Eve took some of the fruit and ate it. Then she gave some to Adam, her husband, who was with her, and he ate it, too.

Long story short, the ground (e.g. animals and anything in contact with it) because of Adam, lost its state or quality of being perfect
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did The Curse Of Adam And Eve Affect Most Of The Other Animals? by MuttleyLaff: 9:00pm On Oct 16, 2016
Wilgrea7:
have u guys read the story of adam and eve?? i mean the one not in the bible
hopefulLandlord:
give us a link pls
Wilgrea7:
i don't have a particular link... I've not even read it.. i heard of it...
its called the forbidden books of eden
u can download it or read or read it online
It is titled ''The Forgotten Books of Eden'' and not called ''the forbidden books of eden''

The book hasnt answers to hopefulLandlord's original ''Why Did The Curse Of Adam And Eve Affect Most Of The Other Animals?'' question

hopefulLandlord's original ''Why Did The Curse Of Adam And Eve Affect Most Of The Other Animals?'' question is phrased badly and/or incorrectly asked
because according to Genesis 3:17, it is the ground that is cursed on account of Adam
(i.e. the ground is cursed because of Adam)

Then to Adam He said,
"Because you have listened to the voice of your wife,
and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it';
Cursed is the ground because of you;
In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life.

- Genesis 3:17

And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air;
and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them:
and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof

- Genesis 2:19 KJV

hopefulLandlord, with Genesis 2:19 in the back of your mind, you now, should easily be able to understand and appreciate where Genesis 3:17 is coming from
Celebrities › Re: US Comedian, Chris Rock Talks About Aisha Buhari's Situation by MuttleyLaff:
1stCitizen:
h t t ps://youtu.be/Bv6vdOcehgc

Watch. Is Chris Rock right about black women going by how Nigeria's first ladies wielded power in the past until Buhari became President.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKi1ePbpi4c

Chris is top notch and a class act,
he says it as it is, and is quite right as it resonates with our Aisha and the festered Naija First Lady Office debacle

Love his whole Clinton sketch and especially the implication of how Hillary put all in jeopardy

''...Hillary Clinton put us (i.e. us, as in us and US) all in danger.
She put the security of the free world in jeopardy and she needs to suffer the consequences for her actions
Monica Lewinsky shouldn't have stood a chance
She (i.e. Hillary Clinton) should have been the ''first'' lady on her knees to suck his d`ick
Hey, hey, I've got it. I've got it, I've got it, I got the d`ick.
Tickle his ass or stuff. Hey, hey grab a ball, make yourself useful...''

- Chris Rock


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNAdpjJSdE8
https://www.youtube.com/user/OgasAtTheTop/featured
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC148BC0F690DFD76

I love and enjoy political comedy and/or political humour a lot
Unlike our crop of over-rated naija comics,
though not a professional comic, Dr Damages (i.e. Rudolf Ogoo Okonkwo) of Sahara Reporters
does a great job, on Sahara Reporters YouTube Channel, with his Dr Damages Show political satire

Another are Black House Productions' blackhstudios
and the much missed and currently in hiatus, the Buni TV puppet political satire program with writers like Tolu Ogunlesi and Niyi Ademoye
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by MuttleyLaff:
PastorAIO:
What is this long convoluted nonsense?

Mark, who you say should know what he is talking about, told us the reason why he found nothing on the tree.

When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs.

The reason he found nothing but leaves is because it was not the due season. And furthermore, Mark made it clear that he went to the tree to seek Fruits, not some buds
There's nothing quite like parading your ignorance in public
and it is pathetic to read an emotional response and pontificating vile comment fuelled by your overfed ego

Did you actually read the excerpts at all?
I am very sure you're a smart person
so was it that, you didn't properly read the excerpts to understand the logic explaining taqsh and etcetera?

Go read the referenced whole two books the authors published, if you arent able to make sense of the exerpts posted here from their books

Please, next time before you start thinking of HOW to "diss" posts I submit, try to think about not being a jerk
and whilst at it, keep your uninformed polemic vain babbling to yourself

PastorAIO:
Furthermore if you look at the wider context of other parables in the gospels the find stories like this:

6Then Jesus told this parable: “A man had a fig tree that was planted in his vineyard. He went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. 7So he said to the keeper of the vineyard, ‘Look, for the past three years I have come to search for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Therefore cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’


This parable is almost exactly the same story as what Mark tells us was an actual event.

The parable and the history are the same story and they have been conflated.

The exact same story, but in one version it is a parable and in another version it is told like an historical event.

Ultimately the purpose of writing the story is to glean the message out of it and the message is the same. It is a reference to Israel.
I am sorry but I learned nothing new from this, as I already know all this and had on this thread, in previous posts, insinuated them

The title-question of the thread is: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree?
Reiterating, the tree wasnt going to produce anything, so it was cursed and doomed
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by MuttleyLaff:
PastorAIO:
So obviously the writer of that Gospel didn't know anything about fig seasons because he himself said it wasn't the season for the fig to bear fruit.

I know that you guys are now going to flout logic by claiming that 'it was NOT the season, but it was the time for the tree to bear fruit' or some such nonsense.
Read the excerpt below, if you really are a firm believer in logic and reason

sweetcocoa:
Smh, seriously how can't you tell that your attempt at twisting this is nothing but pathetic?
How can it be time when the book of mark said it wasn't? Who is lying?
Read the below before getting the hump or unnecessarily getting your knickers in a twist

There is a very reasonable explanation why Jesus cursed the fig tree even though it wasn’t the season for figs.
Even before the season, fig trees produce little knobs which are eaten by a passerby.



As the late renowned NT scholar F.F. Bruce noted
:

"The other miracle is the cursing of the barren fig tree (Mk. xi 12 ff.), a stumbling block to many for PastorAIO, freecocoa and the likes. They feel that it is unlike Jesus, and so someone must have misunderstood what actually happened, or turned a spoken parable into an acted miracle, or something like that.

Some, on the other hand, welcome the story because it shows that Jesus was human enough to get unreasonably annoyed on occasion. It appears, however, that a closer acquaintance with fig trees would have prevented such misunderstandings.

‘The time of the fig is not yet,’ says Mark, for it was just before Passover, about six weeks before the fully-formed fig appears. The fact that Mark adds these words shows that he knew what he was talking about.

When the fig leaves appear about the end of March, they are accompanied by a crop of small knobs, called taqsh by the Arabs, a sort of fore-runner of the real figs. These taqsh are eaten by peasants and others when hungry. They drop off before the real fig is formed. But if the leaves appear unaccompanied by taqsh, there will be no figs that year.

So it was evident to our Lord, when He turned aside to see if there were any of these taqsh on the fig-tree to assuage His hunger for the time being, that the absence of the taqsh meant that there would be no figs when the time of figs came.

For all its fair foliage, it was a fruitless and a hopeless tree."
(Bruce, Are The New Testament Documents Reliable? [Intervarsity Press; Downers Grove, Ill, fifth revised edition 1992], pp. 73-74;



Another noted Evangelical scholar Craig S. Keener makes the following observation:

"At Passover season in late March or early April, fig trees are often in leaf on the eastern side of the Mount of Olives.
At this time of year, such fig trees contained only green early figs (Arabs call them taqsh), which ripen around June but often drop off before that time, leaving only green leaves on the tree. A leafy tree lacking such early figs, however, would bear no figs at all that year,"
(Keener, A Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew [Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, July 1999], p. 504)
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by MuttleyLaff: 9:31pm On Oct 09, 2016
sweetcocoa:
was it time for the tree to bear fruit or not?
It clearly was from the narrative, time for the tree to bear fruit, which is why Jesus approached it to take, when He was hungry

sweetcocoa:
I don't know why you are running around saying fruit buds and whstnot. huh
You wouldnt know about fruit buds because you obviously havent learnt about the fig trees and all the different seasons of the year they bears fruit buds, which incidentally are also known as fruitlets or small fruits
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by MuttleyLaff: 9:06pm On Oct 09, 2016
sweetcocoa:
How do you people think it's okay to give this sort of explanation and be very confident about it, hmm, na wa o.

So he made seasons but somehow isn't a respecter of it, yet he insisted that there's a time for everything?
I just don't get it, this fig wasn't meant to bear fruit at the time for crying out loud,
how reasonable is it to demand or expect it to bear fruit, when you were the one that programmed it that way to even start with?
Jesus dey smoke cocaine? grin
You sure dont look like you got the drift

The fig tree's DNA was programmed to bear fruit buds that comes out in the spring season
this fig tree's particular fruit buds are ones called the profichi type

Notice from the narrative that, the fig tree had leaves, like as if it is protecting fruit buds
(i.e. this is what trees do with the leaves, to protect fruit from birds etcetera)

Now, what ''it wasn't time for the fig to bear fruits'' means, is that:
''Dont make the mistake that the fruits have already been harvested, to mean, that is why there arent any fruits left on the tree. No.
This tree, at this time in spring, is meant to have bore fruit buds
but it hasnt and only has leaves, pretending that it bears the expected and to be seen, fruit buds

Truth be told that, that it is a teaching about bearing fruits (i.e. good and/or useful fruits)
and the consequence for not bearing such fruits in expected time and/or due season
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by MuttleyLaff: 9:06pm On Oct 09, 2016
seguun:
So are you saying a woman who is suffering from barrenness and she's now growing old... has no place in your own creed and should be cursed?
SMH, no I did not say a woman who is suffering from barrenness and she's now growing old... has no place in any of God's states of affairs and should be cursed
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by MuttleyLaff:
KORLAR:
He could have commanded the tree to bear fruits though since he had the power.
It will be an abuse of power to command the tree which is beyond redemption to bear fruits
Jesus, being omniscient, could see that the tree is too bad to be saved
The fate of the tree was decided after careful thought

It will be a travesty to think the lesson and objective in the fig tree narrative should be about a lesser power show of commanding the tree to bear fruit,
when in actual fact, the fig-tree narrative really is about, proof of possessing a higher power of carrying out justice
and judging over everything and every one (i.e. the Power of Judgement)

Incidentally this exercising of the Power of Judgement, proved to be prophetic,
as Jesus' words to the fig-tree predicted what will happen in the future, to the beyond redemption tree
- a basic principle of justice, is that it should be delivered without delay
and according to Peter, in less than 24 hours, the tree truly had become dry and shrivelled.

The objective in the narrative is served as an example of the judgement and fate each at the appointed time will face, if or when found wanting

The fig tree fell short of an expected just behaviour to bear fruit when in season
Justice delayed is justice denied, and the hungry will be the biggest losers.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by MuttleyLaff: 11:54am On Oct 09, 2016
KORLAR:
One question, would you curse a worthless living thing to death given that you have the power to bless or curse it?
Then God said,
"Let the earth produce vegetation: plants bearing seeds, each according to its own type,
and fruit trees bearing fruit with seeds, each according to its own type." And so it was.

- Genesis 1:11

I would curse a worthless living thing to death, especially if in due season, it is not useful, not beneficial, not positively productive and not fruitful

It will be good riddance.

The tree, as seen in Genesis 1:11 above, was already blessed, in line with,
there is an appointed time for everything, like the appointed time to pluck fruit buds from that fig tree
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by MuttleyLaff: 11:01am On Oct 09, 2016
KORLAR:
In my opinion, he should have blessed the tree instead of cursing it to show his magnanimity.
CURSE is the opposite of BLESS
Do you bless what is worthless?
You BLESS what is worthy and CURSE what is worthless, isnt it?
You treasure what is useful and dustbin-trash what is useless, isnt it?

curse kəːs/
noun: curse; plural noun: curses; noun: the curse

1. a solemn utterance intended to invoke a supernatural power to inflict harm or punishment on someone or something

6Then Jesus told this story: “A man planted a fig tree in his garden and came again and again to see if there was any fruit on it, but he was always disappointed.
7Finally, he said to his gardener, ‘I’ve waited three years, and there hasn’t been a single fig! Cut it down. It’s just taking up space in the garden.’
8“The gardener answered, ‘Sir, give it one more chance. Leave it another year, and I’ll give it special attention and plenty of fertilizer.
9If we get figs next year, fine. If not, then you can cut it down.’”

- Luke 13:6-8 NLT

Jesus pronounced judgment on the tree (i.e. worthless not bearing fruit tree), just like as the man in Luke 13:6-8
Christianity Etc › Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 10:52am On Oct 09, 2016
Kgdavid:
You forgot to add:

11. Tithe was mostly meant to be eaten by the tither

12. and in the third year (the year of the tithe), it was to be shared between the alien, the widow, the orphan and the Levite, not just the Levite.
I wanted to limit it to just 10 reasons
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by MuttleyLaff: 10:47am On Oct 09, 2016
EHMIR:
this is a lame attempt at justifying Jesus' brutal act towards d innocent tree..
The tree wasnt as innocent as it looked

EHMIR:
its of general knowlege that everything ve their own seasons, including trees
You're right, as this one had 3 seasons to bear in spring, summer and winter

EHMIR:
Clearly it wasnt the season of the fig tree to bear fruits, and Jesus knw this, yet he went ahead to 'murder' the tree...
That is where you are wrong
It actually is, one of the three seasons for the fig tree to bear fruit, this particular season was to bear fruit buds
and Jesus knew this, which is why He went ahead to get rid of the fig tree that wouldnt bear fruit in due season
It is fruitless, giving no benefit and so worthless enough to gotten rid of.

EHMIR:
Pls @ d bold, i am still waiting for ur lots to move mountains
You wont be waiting if you had recognised the hyperbole in that remark

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