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hupernikao:
Glad you attended to that. It quite showed your honesty towards the discussion.
I hope we can now put this to rest.

Above All desires, I wish Christ Light to you.

FacelessKing:
The government just successfully used Kemi to check up on Mazi's health and possibly, his Location.

Understanding power and political moves, dont be surprised they gave Kemi the Abba Kyari news so she could use that to build a good reputation that could force Mazi to come out for the sake of clearing the air.

This my brain is too much for me!!

MichaelKonda:
The fastest growing religion in Africa is Pentecostal christianity: https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/list-of-major-religions-in-africa/ar-AAB4Mbt

hupernikao:
I am quite sorry, i dont have discussions like this. I believe discussions must be purposeful and definite.
The issue at hand has not be cleared, you have refused to attend to or prove your claim and allegations from the scriptures. That is what is key not not any other question.

Kindly provide your explanation and not get distracted with other claims or better still you can withdraw such claim without having to defend it.

ValCon888:
These animals were the real bad guys back in the day. Man was just a tasty snack like bush rat and life was like living in a nightmare.

Back then, a 40yr old man was considered a very old man because the mortality rate was so high.

If not for the Chicxulub Event, human beings (Homo Sapiens) would not be the Apex predator that they are today.

Oghenerobo2002:
People wouldn't have listened but rather insult him the more.
God knew Jonathan was too good for us, so he gave us Buhari

RiyadhGoddess:
At least you can help yourself by not responding to the things you consider senseless...Just read and pass, it won't harm you sir...

hupernikao:
Strawman method, always speaking of religion as cover to avoid proper discussion.

I am wondering the relevant of all your wrote to this discussion. It's always sad when people raise arguments then divert to be addressing another thing afterwards. What has all these you wrote got to do with the fact that you raised an issue in the scriptures and I asked you to defend your claim.

A defendant that decoy to a strawman argument actually had nothing to say. And that's what you are showing already. But I still believe you have something to say So, lay your claim and defend. That isn't so hard if you are truly sure of what you are saying.

All I asked you is to go in context and explain your assertion based on the context. Or context isnt KING again in literature? But just the fact that all you claimed as contradiction are based on lifting verses out of its original context to satisfied your pursuit, it has become a tough task for you to defend.

I will advise you.
Always read well and read context very well before you draw opinion on any form of writing not just the scriptures. A man who give his own life and meaning to a text and deprive the text it's own life from its context is either dishonest, ignorant, lazy or dangerous. Most of the time, he is always a dangerous person. But like I said, I know you have your explanation, so give it.

Give your point in context than spending time to divert discussion as we see done most times on this forum. Any thing you know you can't explain from its context or give time to explain out, it is better to avoid it or look away from it.

And on your last paragraph. I am very sorry for you, if that was the experience you had. I have seen people passed through such pains over again. But experience has also shown me that the victims were actually fed with what they sought for, the lies you sought for, the strange desire, success, money and fame you fanned was ignited by the ones you disdained now. Very sad that you were an accomplice in the evil.

But it is also sad if you think everyone have such strange desires or reduce Christianity to materialism and shame. What you experience in those places either directly or indirectly wasn't Christianity but shame and scam that suit your taste.

Because when a scammer meets a greedy heart, the music is always romantic until the morning comes and your eyes are clear. Then you start blaming the whole world. I can't help that.

So, sorry Sir, let's face our main study here.
Give me a contextual based explanation of how the bible portrayed John and Jesus as strangers.

Selah.

hupernikao:
Strawman method, always speaking of religion as cover to avoid proper discussion.

I am wondering the relevant of all your wrote to this discussion. It's always sad when people raise arguments then divert to be addressing another thing afterwards. What has all these you wrote got to do with the fact that you raised an issue in the scriptures and I asked you to defend your claim.

A defendant that decoy to a strawman argument actually had nothing to say. And that's what you are showing already. But I still believe you have something to say So, lay your claim and defend. That isn't so hard if you are truly sure of what you are saying.

All I asked you is to go in context and explain your assertion based on the context. Or context isnt KING again in literature? But just the fact that all you claimed as contradiction are based on lifting verses out of its original context to satisfied your pursuit, it has become a tough task for you to defend.

I will advise you.
Always read well and read context very well before you draw opinion on any form of writing not just the scriptures. A man who give his own life and meaning to a text and deprive the text it's own life from its context is either dishonest, ignorant, lazy or dangerous. Most of the time, he is always a dangerous person. But like I said, I know you have your explanation, so give it.

Give your point in context than spending time to divert discussion as we see done most times on this forum. Any thing you know you can't explain from its context or give time to explain out, it is better to avoid it or look away from it.

And on your last paragraph. I am very sorry for you, if that was the experience you had. I have seen people passed through such pains over again. But experience has also shown me that the victims were actually fed with what they sought for, the lies you sought for, the strange desire, success, money and fame you fanned was ignited by the ones you disdained now. Very sad that you were an accomplice in the evil.

But it is also sad if you think everyone have such strange desires or reduce Christianity to materialism and shame. What you experience in those places either directly or indirectly wasn't Christianity but shame and scam that suit your taste.

Because when a scammer meets a greedy heart, the music is always romantic until the morning comes and your eyes are clear. Then you start blaming the whole world. I can't help that.

So, sorry Sir, let's face our main study here.
Give me a contextual based explanation of how the bible portrayed John and Jesus as strangers.

Selah.

ignis:
This is the wickedness of wicked man to fellow man.


COVID-19 also as a result of such wickedness.

God and the Angels in heaven are watching in awe.

RiyadhGoddess:
Rest in peace Khan.

Let me cull out a part from my book;
"You cannot be Abraham and be your own Melchizedek, You cannot be Jacob and be your own Levi..."

A must Read For All!

ANTICIPATE, Coming Soon.

VEXT:
Go and preach to the muslim brothers that arrested bala....maybe if we act the same way Muslims do whenever someone criticize their religion, by now people like you,reno,freeze, etinosa would hv been put to death!!!

Brunicekid:
God is still working miracles... So, why misconcepting this whole thing

orunto27:
Humbles Fake Christians and Muslims. It is Obama/China Shakara.

Maximus69:
I only presented what my spiritual family (religion) is doing presently and the benefit that adherents are enjoying!

So as an atheist, all you should do now is to present what atheists as a group is doing and how it's benefitting atheists like you.

Our beliefs is our beliefs NOT yours and you're not the one to tell us how we should go about it. Rather you should be concerned about yourself and fellow faithless people like you during this period!

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmm how much are the worries of the faithless?
Well let me address your quest one by one.

(1)You think we are programmed to trust God's word yet we've formed a global family of peace loving worshipers that all unbelievers can testify to. John 13:34-35;17:20-23

(2)God's word never said anyone is chosen for salvation otherwise there won't be any need to preach or teach! Matthew 28:19-20

(3) Jesus commissioned the preaching and teaching from house to house in the first century, it was halted when the then world power (Rome) establish a counterfeit form of Christianity (Roman Catholic Church) and began using weapons to force people into accepting their own religion instead of the peaceful preaching and teaching technique introduced by Jesus. America declared FREEDOM of speech, expression and worship in the 1800s opening the way for true Christianity to be reformed again and it was in 1919 that Jesus (in spirit) finished preparing his true followers to restart the work that was halted by the Roman empire back then. He promised to assist us until the peace message reaches the most distant part of the earth.
1919~2019~Covid19 is an indication that it's now 100 years Jesus has been organizing his followers preparing them for Paradise!

(4) During the times God enabled his servants to perform miracles, people were dying Sir, so what you supposed to ask for is "the purpose of miraculous works"!

(5)Wow! Wow!! Wow!!! Well my concern is for unbelievers who have stubbornly rejected our proposal to join the global family of peace loving worshipers!
Note that before now JWs do ask for cash donations to continue printing our monthly publications that we are distributing globally until suddenly Jehovah said "stop asking for cash donations from them, perhaps there may be some who have interest but can't afford it" Revelations 22:17

That was what shocked all members of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization globally because the question we were asking ourselves is "how are we going to continue printing the monthly publications if we should stop collecting cash donations from subscribers?"

But Jehovah said to us "Now I am about to show you my (loyal servants) the greatest sign that unbelievers can't notice!"

Sir i am telling you that it's been 25 years now that JWs have stopped demanding for cash donations from interested subscribers, yet the publications kept coming!

Even millions of our brothers and sisters here in Africa often shed tears of joy in appreciation when publications like Bibles and many hard copy publications are been distributed to us FREELY!

And to shock you my dear friend, do you know that as i am typing this now JWs are distributing food items to members of the organization globally?

Well the Bible book of Psalms 23:1 is now having it's fulfilment in complete, it says

"JEHOVAH is my SHEPHERD, i will not lack any good thing"

Compare to Psalms 37:25

JEHOVAH said "the person who failed to provide for his household had disown the FAITH and such a person is worse than the faithless" 1Timothy 5:8

It's from the bottom of my heart that i'm telling you this now that Jehovah is keeping to his promises, it's misinformed churchgoers that are in anguish NOT Jehovah's Witnesses! Isaiah 65:13-14

Do you even know why Jehovah asked us to separate ourselves from the unbelievers {2Corinthians 6:17} and gave us another unique group name? Isaiah 65:15

Well thanks!

kiwi007:
To me o . it is not necessary to go to isolation center to heal covid19 patient . they can pray for them through their live tv and this people will start testing negative. Shebi they use to claim people received healing listening to them on tv ni..... And i read about healing in bible whereby the prophet did not even come near the diseased and they were heal. We still believe in that power of God . so let them try that method[color=#990000][/color]

hupernikao:
I am not evading your question. You made an allegations first and I told you it's not true, then ask you to explain it. See your statement below



https://www.nairaland.com/5782724/jesus-god-see/13#88818924

That is what you said earlier. Then you are in position to explain to me how the bible portray them as strangers. I need you to show that based on context of discussion to support your allegations. So, I am not in a position to prove your allegations. When you have shown from the scriptures your evidence then I can have a say along to answer your questions.

So, all I need from you is a contextual explanations of how you come about John and Jesus being shown in the letters as strangers. At least context should support your claim.

And lastly, scriptures one key facts you must understand is that Bible is not an all purpose book, not for answering all things. It has focus and anything not important to this focus need no documentation as it has no effect on its general message.

The bible is not a book for history even though it contain histories, the bible is not a book for John-Jesus family but a book for salvation through faith in Christ. Of this, any events that add no value towards this purpose is useless. The reason you see John the writer focus was tailored to key info. You can't expect John the writer to be documenting irrelevant relationships or family tie all around the scriptures. Every events of the bible presented some facts to us about its purpose.

What the scriptures reveals is Christ, his sacrifice and man's salvation in it not John's earthly relationship with Jesus. The reason John the writer documented John the baptist story is because of the relevant of his baptism to manifest Christ to Israel. Anything about John the baptist outside his message and practice of baptism is irrelevant to eternal purpose of God.

Even Mary, the mother of Jesus only come into play mainly at his birth because of how relevant that is to God's plan. Every other time she was paraphrased and not major, even Joseph existence was almost not documented after Christ birth, Jesus had siblings, John the baptist etc likely have siblings but not relevant.

So, when you understand the focus and application of the scriptures, the essence and it's purpose you won't treat it as story or history book. And there are things that you won't ask or bother with as they are absolutely irrelevant to the body of God's purpose as inspired by the author.

Squillaci:
Lol. What if the virus is part of God's plan.
Brah, read the book of revelation.

odinson1:
Why do you think Christian leaders who claim to be miracle channels avoid visiting people in critical situations out side the church?



How many times have you heard that oyedepo or tb joshua or adeboye visited an hospital and people got healed and the hospital emptied?



Real life is different from a crusade where everything is conditioned and controlled to fool people and even people are willing to voluntarily claim to be healed just to please the pastor or in hope that they would later get the real healing be claiming it by faith and testifying even though they know they are not healed

Zodiac61:
God is in hiding right now.
You all wait until the pandemic is over. Then, he will come out of hiding and let you all know that he alone is responsible for bringing it to an end. Not the doctors, nurses, care workers, scientists etc, who sacrified a lot to save us all from the pandemic.

Maximus69:
Just say you're an atheist to help your audience!

hupernikao:
The worst time of deception is self deception. And that's all you wrote up there.

hupernikao:
I like logical and well organised arguments. You can't make a conclusion when arguments lack focus or evidence. So let's keep track on response from both sides.

Secondly, I am not "most Christians" and I don't hold brief for anyone, I don't make assumptions either for people. So let your discussion be based on what I discussed and the bible.

Lasty,
You were the one who said the scriptures presented John and Jesus as strangers. And I told you that you read that in. If this is not true, kindly show me where the scriptures presented them as strangers and show me from its context that it does.

It's not enough to make claims. Present your claims via bible explanation since you have read it and know it.

I will wait for this explanation based on bible context Sir.

Simplyleo:
Seems these boko boys are already feeling the heat.

Pls, buratai should remain there and round of the good job. Continue shelling them bastards until they completely surrender. That is war of attrition.

hupernikao:
I guess you are now reading or seeing what you want to see. Funny enough, you all eisegesis also have verses used to defend it.

John/Jesus wasn't presented as strangers, you read than in yourself. An example of a perfect eisegesis.

Lukgaf:
Praise be to Allah.

Firstly:

We have previously discussed what the Muslim should do during this time.

Secondly:

We have previously explained the types of martyrs and the definition of a martyr (see our previous posts).

Whoever dies because of the coronavirus, there is the hope that he will attain martyrdom in two ways:

-1-

If the coronavirus (Covid-19) causes damage to a person’s lungs, and that is the cause of his death, then there is the hope that he will be a martyr (shaheed), because he comes under the same heading as one who dies of tuberculosis, and in fact this is a worse disease, because tuberculosis causes small lesions or nodules (tubercles) in the lungs. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Tuberculosis is martyrdom.” Narrated by at-Tabaraani from Salmaan, and by Abu’sh-Shaykh from ‘Ubaadah; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami‘. It was also attributed to Ahmad, from the hadith of Raashid ibn Hubaysh, as noted by al-Haafiz in al-Fath.

Al-Haafiz said: There is corroborating evidence in the hadith of Raashid ibn Hubaysh, in which it mentions tuberculosis.

End quote from Fath al-Baari (6/43).

The hadith of Raashid ibn Hubaysh which was narrated by Ahmad (15998) says that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) came to visit ‘Ubaadah ibn as-Saamit when he was sick. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Do you know who among my ummah is a martyr (shaheed)?” The people fell silent, and ‘Ubaadah said: Sit me up. So they sat him up, then he said: O Messenger of Allah, the one who is patient and seeks reward with Allah.

The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “In that case, the martyrs among my ummah would be few. Rather being killed in Allah’s cause is martyrdom; dying of the plague is martyrdom; drowning is martyrdom; dying of a stomach disease [batn] is martyrdom; and if a woman dies in childbirth, her child will pull her with his umbilical cord to Paradise.” He said: And Abu’l-‘Awwaam, the custodian of Bayt al-Maqdis, added: “and being burned to death, and as-sayl [flash flood].”

Al-Minnaawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: As-sayl [flash flood] refers to drowning in water. This is how the author defined it in his handwriting, which I have seen with my own eyes. What appears in many manuscripts, suggesting that it is as-sill (tuberculosis) is a mistake on the part of the scribes.

End quote from Fayd al-Qadeer (4/533).

The annotators of al-Musnad (25/380) said: With regard to the word as-sayl, this is how it appears in all copies, and in Ghaayat al-Maqsad, and it refers to drowning. But in al-Fath (6/43), al-Haafiz wrote it as as-sill (tuberculosis), referring to the well-known sickness. Perhaps at that time it was included with those who died of the plague. End quote.

And we have seen above the hadith which says “Tuberculosis is martyrdom.”

Al-Minnaawi said in Fayd al-Qadeer (4/145): “Tuberculosis is martyrdom” – this refers to the nodules in the lungs, accompanied by severe fever.

-2-

If the sickness leads to damage of the liver or kidney, and the person dies as a result of that, then he is described as mabtoon (one who dies of a stomach disease). The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The martyrs are five: the one who dies of the plague, the one who dies of a stomach disease, the one who drowns, the one who is crushed beneath a falling wall, and the martyr who is killed for the sake of Allah.”

An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Sharh Muslim: As for the mabtoon, who is the one who dies of a stomach disease, that refers to diarrhoea. Al-Qaadi said: And it was said that it refers to the one who suffers from oedema (swelling) and whose stomach becomes swollen; or to the one who has a stomach complaint; or the one who dies of any stomach disease in general. End quote.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: In the hadith it says that the mabtoon (the one who dies of a stomach disease) is a martyr. What is meant by mabtoon, and does it include one who dies of cirrhosis of the liver?

He replied: The scholars said that the mabtoon is the one who dies of a stomach disease, and what appears to be the case is that it also includes the one who dies of appendicitis, because the appendix is regarded as connected to the stomach. That may also include the one who dies of cirrhosis of the liver, because the liver is also regarded as connected to the stomach. End quote.

Conclusion: For the one who dies of this virus, there is the hope that he will attain martyrdom.

We should point out that this does not come under the same heading as the plague, as has been explained previously.

We ask Allah to relieve us of this calamity and pandemic, and to grant well-being to us and to all the Muslims.

And Allah knows best.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/334078/is-the-one-who-dies-of-the-coronavirus-covid-19-a-martyr

Mightymanna:
When you try confused religions with so many contradictions like 3 in 1 one god, you will reached this conclusion. But no sane person has ever tried Islam and left, Islam is the true religion of God despite all the blackmails many people are trooping daily to accept Islam, with only one follower 1500 years back today we have 1.5 billions followers and it is just the beginning.

wahoom:
Dream is glimpse into happenings in the spiritual realm.

Dreams can come from 3 different sources;

1. Man
2.Demons
3.God.

Most times when you forget your dreams, it's a ploy from the enemies to make you ignorant of what is happening in the spiritual world.
It is the spiritual world that controls the physical, there's nothing that happens in the physical that is not concluded 8n the spiritual.

There are some people that are summoned to meetings and they go and commit havocs unconsciously and come back without even knowing they are witches, so sometimes, the devil steals our dream so we would not be privy to what is happening.

I have a friend that used to see herself swimming in a river, she thought it was normal until she eventually realised she belongs to the marine world after some years.

It's not normal to forget your dream.

Pray against dream thieves and also write your dreams anytime you wake up even at midnight.

I used to have that same issue too, so what I did was, once I wake I type the dream on my fone and save it.

Guess what Bro, I found out that nothing happens without me having an idea.
Most of my dream is like a prophecy and helps to guide me in some of the steps I take daily.

Sallasreal:
I think you to pray well about it and if you wanna sleep at night take a water in bucket and put some salt inside and use it and key see what happened then OK God will set us free from evildoers

mabeni:
Is it natural forgetting ones dream(s) before day breaks? I am in my early 30s.

I can't sleep without dreaming either good or bad but it baffles me why I can't or won't be able to remember anything from the dream when I wake up.