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hoopernikao:
Did disciples preached with tongues in Acts 2? It is clear now where your misconception is carried from. You are using Acts 2 to interpret 1 Cor 14.

Your evasive skill is second only to a shrewd politician.

Just answer the simple question already.

Have you ever spoken in another tongue (which you never knew) for an unbeliever to understand?

hoopernikao:
Bro. where exactly did you see speaking in tongues for evangelism in the scriptures? When you make a claim always add scriptures please. Kindly show that.

Acts 2:6
The disciples preached to the unbelievers about Christ.
What is evangelism?
Is it no longer preaching the gospel?

Ok, forget I used the word evangelism. Have you preached to any unbeliever in another language?

hoopernikao:
Firstly, when you are making such statement as above, the ideal thing is to point exactly to the twisting, not giving utterance that points to no direction. This is how we can progress and not be repeat everything over and over as it is obvious you agreed with some points raised even if you adversely avoided others.

You first started by saying, i cant explain 1 Cor 14:22 because that will put an end to the discussion. Now, i have done that, you agreed too.
After, you jumped as the discussion didnt end because you have a different opinion. Unfortunately your opinion have hidden some truth behind by jumping over them to explain other things. I will be taking you one by one on this in separate post so as not to mix them up.

Kindly pay attention. I will give you a summary of your thoughts in your last write up.

1. The purpose of 1 Cor 14 is charity (i pointed same out already)
2. Tongues profited no one: Speaking in tongues is only profitable when it can be interpreted. Other wise it is just empty noise that profits no one.
3. That speaking in tongues is human language (Speaking in tongues is a sign to unbelievers- if you who is not from my tribe spoke revelations to me in my native language I would marvel. Whether I believe or not is a matter of the state of my heart. While Prophecy is for believers.)

Not forgetting things you obvious omited in your explanation.

I will take you on No 2..

You said: Tongues profited no one

This is a fallacy of improper reading.
1 Cor 14: 2 A man who speaks in tongues edify himself.
1 Cor 14:4, He that speaketh in an tongue edifieth himself;
1 Cor 14:28: let him speak to himself, and to God

The first question i want you to answer is, did Paul teaches that Tongues should not be spoken? Or that tongues is useless?
Putting the scriptures on mind. Paul's language in 1 Cor 14, never condemned tongues but pointed to how it should be used. The place of tongues in edifying yourself and place of prophecy in edifying the church. No where did Paul said dont pray in tongues.

1 Cor 14:34 FORBID NOT TO SPEAK IN TONGUE.

Here in lies the dilemma in 1 Corinthian 14.
Did Paul distinguish between known and unknown tongues?
Clearly he does not forbid speaking in tongues. But rather that it should be moderated.

1 Cor 14:2 seems to be referring to unknown tongues. Which no human can understand except interpreted by one with the gift of interpretation.

This obviously contrasts with Acts 2:6 where unbelievers could understand the tongues without the need for gift of interpretation.

Hence it seems Paul concludes that speaking in tongues for personal edification should not be a public affair but a private affair. Except there is an interpreter.

While speaking in tongues for evangelism should be towards unbelievers in their own language. Hence why it is indeed a sign. Something they would have no choice but to accept as being supernatural.
Whether they end up believing or not.

Yet, you feign ignorance of our bone of contention as you continue to evade providing answer to a question I have repeated in every post on this topic.

Have you personally spoken in another tongue (lamguage) as a sign to an unbeliever?

FirstbornWds:
You are an idiot. A glorified one at that

It's only a joke, but why you so mad? You're beginning to foam at the mouth.

ican2020:
What is the communication between light and darkness.

Indeed many churches have greatly deviated from Christ instructions and adopted man's doctrine to please the world.

A friend of the world, an enemy of God

That's exactly what the Jews said when Jesus was dining with the so called sinners.

Congrats, you're officially a Jew and not a Christian.

TransflectTP:
Nairaland is not hospital. Try and seek proper medical attention.

The baby is clearly reacting to something sinister.
He should ask the mother very well, the baby might be reacting because he is not seeing his real father.

Officialgarri:
This Burna is just too arrogant. What is the population of people who attends his live performance to make him even think he is African giant? Oh, because they nominated him for Grammy

We know Adeleke's money helped Davido, but it's obvious the guy kept on building himself. He's hardworking and kept getting his shows sold out. Abi, did he use his father's money to buy fans too?
Music is business and Davido sure knows what that business entails

But the Oga Patapata of them all is Starboy!! Very matured and will never make noise. Sometimes looking shy and sober or like an introvert, but the truth is, that's how to play maturity when you are being pushed to act immature.

Respect to Wizzy eleniyan!

Any one who like quality music would rate Burna Boy higher than Wizkid and Davido.

But no doubt as far as Pop music is concerned Burna should know Wizkid and Davido are not his mates.

Him taking a swipe at Davido because of his father's wealth only shows his insecurity. He should have just kept quiet and see how his fans would be the ones defending him as truly one of the GOATs.

But when a the weed's in the system, ain't no telling what the most high would do.

hoopernikao:
Don’t forget that in 1 Cor 14:3-5, Paul equate the effect tongues/interpretation have to what prophecy will achieve.

1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

So, the church is edified if tongues is interpreted, this is the same thing prophecy achieves. So, to an unbeliever too, he must receive interpretation to hear God (accept God). This will mean a mode of preaching the gospel for his salvation. .

Tongue has never gotten anyone saved and will not, it is a sign to unbeliever, a sign for his rejection of God’s word, calling God’s gift madness but when such is interpreted and point him to things he kept in his heart he will realize God is at work.

WHAT OF BELIEVERS?

Tongues is not a sign to a believer, as he should have understanding, know and hear God in tongue and not refer to it as madness. When you see a believer refer to tongue as madness, he is unlearned (idiotes) as Paul mentioned. Hence, a believer speaks with God (1 Cor 14:2, 28) and EDIFY himself. And by interpretation, he can help the church for COMFORT, EXHORTATION AND EDIFICATION and likewise help the unbeliever, for SALVATION.

Like i said, in the beginning, i truly hope you read carefully.

I'm beginning to give up and conclude that you simply like to hear yourself and not listen to reason.
You have only ended up twisting the obviously straight forward message of this book.

What was Paul addressing here? Spiritual gifts, with specificity to the gifts of Tongues, Interpretation and Prophecy.
I will explain it verse by verse-

1. Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

This verse says it all, The purpose of it all is charity/love.
Also spiritual gifts are to be desired, but the purpose is to prophesy.
Hence Paul exalts the gift of prophecy. Why? Because it is the only way to understand God's mind towards the church.

2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Now in this verse Paul explains what tongues achieve, that it is not to be understood but a communication of spiritual mysteries.
However this would seem to contrast Acts 2: 6-13 where the gift of tongues was first released to the disciples and understood by the unbelievers who spoke those tongues (languages)
This is why some bible scholars believe there are two types of tongues- known and unknown.
Paul here was addressing the unknown tongues.

3. But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4.He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

Paul here addresses the purpose of both gifts of prophecy and tongues.
Prophecy is for the benefit of all, while tongues (unknown) is personal.

5. I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

I believe here Paul settles the matter, Prophecy is greater than speaking in tongues which no one can interpret.

6. Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

Let me paraphrase here- Paul is simply asking, What is the point of speaking in tongues if it can't be interpreted?

7- 11 here Paul goes on to illustrate how speaking in tongues is more or less making noise, without interpretation.

12. Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

Here we can see the purpose of spiritual gifts, is for the edification of the church. To help believers grow.

13-19 In these verses he continues to stress the pointlessness of speaking in tongues if it can't be understood especially in the church gathering.

20. Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

This is self explanatory. Proverbs 4:7

21. In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

I believe you've done justice to this verse Isaiah 28:11. That even with the signs, an unbeliever (hardened heart) would yet not believe.

22. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

This verse says it all. This is where you seem not to understand the intention of Paul.
Even though an unbeliever won't believe, yet speaking in his own (known) tongue is a sign to an unbeliever.
Imagine I'm a yoruba man in an igbo land. And someone who is clearly an igbo man with no understanding of yoruba language starts preaching to me in yoruba or gives a revelation to me in yoruba, I would be amazed. That is the intent of the known tongues. That is what the sign is meant for.
This once more brings me to my question which yet you continue to evade- Have you preached/evangelized to an unbeliever in another tongue?

23. If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

Clearly this paints the ridiculous image of what is today obtainable in our churches today. Every one speaking in (unknown) tongues, without interpretation. Clearly any one who is not a member of the church would thing you mad. I can relate to this.

24. But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

This is the antithesis of verse 23. If I a visitor to your church were to be prophesied to in a language I understand, and with a revelation I know to be true in a way that is convincing, I would have no excuse but to believe. But if I harden my heart still, then I am judged.

25. And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

The experience of an unbeliever who open his heart to a true prophesy and revelation would produce the reaction of awe and worship as explained here.

26-32 Here we see what is clearly missing in today's churches. I know because I have been privileged by my travels around this country to visit different denominations.
Here we see the way the spiritual gifts should operate. Those who speak tongues should be accompanied by those who interpret.
And those who prophesy should do so in an organized manner with others who also prophesy.
The church should have the various spiritual gifts working together in harmony for the edification of the church.

33. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Churches today make one question this verse because what we see in them is confusion.

34-35 has been interpreted by different scholars. Some say Paul was being traditional, while other maintain it is a spiritual order.

36-38 Paul here confidently affirms that any one who is spiritual would agree with him, otherwise, is spiritually ignorant. (You have to admire his audacity even towards the other apostles).

39-40 The summary of it all- Paul is not speaking against speaking in tongues but that it is only profitable with interpretation. Prophecy remains more beneficial to the church. And most especially, all should be done in moderation.

I hope now you will understand these;
-The purpose of it all is Love/Charity.
-Speaking in tongues is only profitable when it can be interpreted. Other wise it is just empty noise that profits no one.
-Speaking in tongues is a sign to unbelievers- if you who is not from my tribe spoke revelations to me in my native language I would marvel. Whether I believe or not is a matter of the state of my heart. While Prophecy is for believers.
-Everything should be done in moderation.

marimarempress:
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She shared the picture minutes ago with the caption 'Mama in my heart forever'

See below for screenshot :

She is simply finding ways to express her gratitude to her mom. I think she has the coolest mom. The secret to her success.

hoopernikao:
Bros, a lot has been given on this thread. May be you are late. You may need to read from beginning again to understand my view and the thread line.

You should now be the one to present your view now if you have any without experience bias. You havent done anything on that yet. You quoted my explanation without single explanation. That again should let you know you are in position to explain yourself. You havent done any. I am sure it shouldnt be hard for you to provide your view scriptural. That is what i want to see.

Present your defense of the post you quoted, that is the ideal thing to do in discussion. You dont appear in court asking your opponent to be explaining again what he has done severally without you doing a single defense. So, get your seat right and type.

One thing I will give you credit for, is that you are quite intelligent, especially to still manage to avoid answering my question.
Knowing that it would simply put an end to this discussion.

But contrary to your accusation that I did not present my defense in your earlier post I quoted. I believe I did.

Your claim was that I made no scriptural references just because I did not inscribe the book, chapter and verse.
May I ask, whenever Jesus or the early apostles referenced old scriptures did you see any mention of the book, chapter and verse?

I did reference scriptural verses, I simply expected any well-taught bible scholar to know what I was referencing.
Since you seem to need spoon-feeding, let me help you then;

1 Corinthians 14:22
Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.

This prompts my asking if you have spoken a foreign language to evangelize to an unbeliever.

While reading through from verse 1 to 17 contradicts what we see in churches today- We have majority professing to speak in tongues yet not one to interpret.

1 Corinthians 14: 1-17
Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; [a]for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching? 7 Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played? 8 For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare for battle? 9 So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without [b]significance. 11 Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a [c]foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me. 12 Even so you, since you are [d]zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the [e]edification of the church that you seek to excel.

13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. 16 Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? 17 For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified.

hoopernikao:
Chairman, longtime and i hope you are very well.

But you know i have had several times to straighten scriptures with you and you know my mode of communication and what i expect. You can imagine if we have Paul and Peter or another believer discussing scriptures today but never quote a single verse or never refer to any passage of the scriptures..

Well, just to remind you. I dont believer in personal narrations without proper scriptural explanation. Responding to a post that is full of scriptural explanation (even if you dont with what is said) with no single scriptures, scriptural text or context is not a good sign for you. This is what breed many nonchalant Christians all around who cant trace a scripture but can say a million words out of context, dont contribute to that. We will end up doing more evil if all we can give is personal opinion/experiences.
You can lay down scriptural explanation on your above queries to show you truly understand what you are saying and not just repeating a story heard.

How would you not refer to a single scripture on a bible thread but want to point out someone is wrong, not a good start. As i have told you severally, let the scriptures always be ready with you in any discussion, when you dont have it, then dont contribute yet.

I will hope to see a convincing defense of your theology on your claims above.

Secondly, always avoid referring to people, churches or using words like all Christians when you are defending your theology. I can only speak of the scriptures as the standard and you should do so too. Referring to "some" churches doing something the wrong way doesnt make the who concept wrong. Please let us focus on the scriptures only. I am not a supervisor of the body of Christ, hence i dont go around checking what other churches do. And avoid explaining or judging the scriptures with your experience.. That is can subtlety deny the integrity of the word.

Thirdly, just to set the pace of your thought. Kindly check when your usage of words. There is no where the scriptures referred to tongues as UNKNOWN, The word unknown tongues never occurred in the bible text. KJV played that on people's mind. The same way some translation want to play "DIFFERENT" tongues on people's mind in 1 Cor 14. Tongue is known relative to human spirit and a believer has a knowing spirit, note that as it is key. Those are terms that are never used to qualified tongues in the scriptures.

Once again you managed to beat around the bush without answering my the question.

Can you share with us that you have spoken in another tongue (foreign language) to evangelize to an unbeliever?

Answer that then, I will shed more light on how speaking in tongues has been perverted.

Maximus69:
OK! So you now want to reason with these Churchgoers after arguing that they're better Christians than Jehovah's Witnesses!

Well we are still speaking in tongues till today, because it's the purpose that matters not some useless spectacular display of shame!

Meanwhile the Qur'an never encouraged speaking in tongues, instead the adherents must speak the language of the so called prophet to be acceptable to their God!

See below chat to know how Jehovah's Witnesses (the one and only TRUE Christian Organization) have been speaking in tongues!

Your case is different.
The bible didn't say the disciples went to learn the foreign languages they spoke.
Your articles were written in different languagrs by those who speak those languages.

There is no power in your JW organisation. And the gospel is unfortunately only believable when it is backed by the power of God through the Holyspirit.

Like I told you b4, JW is vast in the knowledge of the letter of the scriptures but lacking in the Spirit.
You don't even believe in miracles anymore so you would have crucified Jesus just as the Jews saying he was healing through Belzebub.

hupernikao:
PART 2: Mark 16:17 New Tongues

For Part 1 check link below
https://www.nairaland.com/5860057/should-speak-tongues-right#89591415

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Dont forget where we started from, and as i said we will need to examine each places in the scriptures that pointed to tongue.

I mentioned that every where tongue is used it is mostly qualified and this is not accidental, hence we must not over look that in our explanation. Having looked at stammering. I will now consider Jesus' commentary on tongues.

Mark 16:17, JESUS COMMENTARY ON TONGUES
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

It is not surprising that Jesus is the first person in NT to comment about tongues. Let us pay attention to him words. he called it NEW TONGUES.
The word used here for new is translated from the Greek word kainos. I will give you places it was used and what it means.

KAINOS
new, recently made, fresh, recent, unused, unworn, of a new kind, unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of.

Note that when ever kainos is used it always point to something totally knew with respect to what it qualifies.

Mat 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins..

New testament. New relative to the testament. It means the testament was never used before, a new kind, unworn, unheard.

Whenever kainos is used it points to something absolutely new. Paul in 2 Cor 5:17 used new creation

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

New creature, will refer to a creature that is different from the existing creature. That is a new one from what used to be. New creature will not be localized but meaning "this is different from all forms of existing creature".

You can take time to check every other usage of Kainos .

Now to our discussion. Note that there are several word available for Jesus to used if he want to refer to a foreign language, that is an existing one.

The one foreign never occurred in Hebrew/Greek lexicon but its relative exist that is the word "STRANGE". There are 3 words used as strange in NT but Jesus never used any of this to describe tongues.

Strange: allotrios
foreign, strange, not of one's own family, alien, an enemy.

This should be the closest word Jesus would have used if he is referring to a foreign tongue. It means something alien or not part of your tribe.

Acts 7:6
And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.

Strange land will not mean a new (kainos) land as the land exist before. Strange there will mean unfamiliar.

Strange: xenos
a guest or (vice-versa) entertainer:—host, strange(-r). This is very clear. It is refering to a person.

3Jo 1:5
Beloved, thou doest faithfully whatsoever thou doest to the brethren, and to strangers;

Strange: xenizō
to receive as a guest, to entertain, hospitably

The closest in all these 3 to what Jesus is saying is allotrios, foreign, strange, not of one's own family, alien, an enemy. Buthe never used that. Jesus used a very strong term. kainos.

That means the tongue that has no prior usage, existence or tribe. If Jesus wants to refer to a foreigner's tongue he would use strange (allotrios).

Observe Jesus' use of Kainos in his teachings

Mat 26:29
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Mar 14:24
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

new here mean the testament never exist before now.

Mar 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Jhn 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Commandment that was never in existence before.

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Paul Commentary?

2Co 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

The testament has no past.

2Co 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

No past of such creature. New with respect to the existing creature.


Hebrews?

Heb 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The covenant has no past or existing record.

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Revelation

Rev 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

The name has no past record, not bore before by anyone.

We can go on and on. Now to Mark 16:17

When Jesus used kainos, it implies, what has no existence and like i said that is not localized, it must be same everywhere you go, Believers are to be raised from all nations, when they read kainos glossa, they must see it as a tongue that has no previous existence in human race. It cannot be kainos when it is used in China or Nigeria, or UK, that will be allotrios a stranger, foreigner's tongue.

Hence, we must not loose this facts in our interpretation of the doctrine of tongues. New testament, is relative to the old testament, new covenant is relative to the old covenant, new creature (man in Christ) is relative to the old creature (Adamic), hence New tongue is relative to the human tongues, a new tongue/language as relative to existing or human language. It is not a tongue of a tribe or a human nation but the people of God.

You know how to beat around the bush.

The bone of contention here is simple.

The tongues we are exposed to nowadays, are not foreign languages but gibberish.

Pastors have found away to capitalise of the "unknown tongues" and indoctrinated believers to speak gibberish in the name of speaking in tongues.

Are you aware that some churches actually teach their members how to speak in tongues?

Please, show me where it was written in the bi le that the gift of speaking in tongues was taught?

Let's not kid ourselves, speaking in tongues might actually be real just like working of miracles might have been real but what we have today is a product of indoctrination and perversion.

We can say the bible speaks of 2 types of tongues;

Known- for evangelism to unbelievers.
Unknown tongues- for personal edification and edification of the church (believers)

Honestly, can you state categorically that you have spoken in another language (tongue) to evangelise to an unbeliever?

yanabasee1:
Burutai lied that he BK was weak and that BK was at the verge of surrendering...



I am having a feeling that Buratai went down to Borno to beg Shakau to stay down for a while....

As far as Boko Haram is concerned, believe Burutai or Buhari at your own risk.

MichaelDuf:
Sounding so pained.

You sounding like you suddenly don't want to be emigrated to your village again.

Senseless as usual. You don't know what you want.

NaMeAboki:
The usual over reaction and over sensationalization by our Blodas yet again.

Her statement was directed at ONLY the senseless loud Igbos in the group and NOT the sensible ones among them - simple comprehension will tell you that she was NOT referring to the ENTIRE Igbo Tribe or even the whole Igbos in the group as senseles; as the jingoists among them are trying to make out.

But there's no difference. Senseless ibos make up the majority of ibos. Their very culture is built on senselessness.

Igbos are so tribalistic they make others tribalistic.
I'm sure Suzan finally snapped after accommodating their excesses for years.

The worst combination of senseless ibos are the educated ibos, especially the ones who know a little law. They are just stubborn goats.
They make the worst business partners, worst tenants, worst team members, worst bosses, worst apprentices.

I know one day FG would give them their Biafra and emigrate them all. Good riddance.
Let them go and self-destruct in their undeveloped squalor states.

Erudite202:
Suzan misfired and now she is caught in the web. One thing about us Igbo's is our fighting spirit. Both Suzan and her Rant HQ are going down.

You mean your stubborn he-goat spirit.
No wonder you're always carrying last.
Even in the church it's always igbos that scatter everything.

Your ancestors should be ashamed of what they created.

fiizznation:
Wike and el-rufai are worst. One was busy demolishing hotels while the other one was mounting useless road blocks in Kaduna. Like el-rufai shutdown kaduna for more than 2months now without providing adequate palliatives to his people. What kind of wickedness is that? Now kaduna indigenes have to come out as early as 1am in the morning just to buy and sell things in the state's central markets.

Is that what the fight against covid19 should be? Putting people in unnecessary hardship just because of a virus that is overhyped by the media.Are we saying people shouldn't go out and fend for themselves and their families because our leaders lack the right approach in combating the virus?


Lockdown or whatever is absolutely a waste of time here in nigeria/Africa. We are only killing our already fragile economy the more. Or you guys think the Europeans we love to copy would have shut their nations if they had fewer cases of covid19 like what we have here in Africa. Why did God curse us with leaders that don't think and can't think.... Smh!

Tyrants hiding under democracy.
Wiked and hell rufai are simply showing the world what happens when you give a mad person power.

Omooba77:
Ese sir, emabinu ooo

You are the worst type of Christian.
You're clearly an RCCG member.

GodPunishBiafra:


That's inevitable..



People still die from malaria and cough too even though we have many effective medications for them.

It was too early for them to claim they had a cure.
With just less than 300 cases and no death. There are other countries with higher cases and still no death recorded yet.

Omooba77:
There is a man here, before the year runs out, you will be preaching Christ in your neighbourhood

Is this supposed to be a curse?
You yourself consider obeying your commission to be a curse?

Your idiocy is legendary.
I must have really hurt your feelings? Didn't know you were so emotional.
But tell me why do you like to say this to everyone who tells you the truth about your religion?
Do they teach you this in foundation school? Or shey na school of discipleship?

Omooba77:
Thati another discussion for another day sir;


Malachi 3: 8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. 11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.

Apparently, your ignorance is new every morning.

Ok bye.

Omooba77:
Ok sir, God bless you

Of course God's blessings in my life are on a daily basis and they are new every morning.
He blesses everyone. But your pastor has told you he will only bless you as long as you keep tithing and abiding by their rules.

Who is fooling who?

Palado4u:
It's the mission of the church (RCCG) that every household should have a member and not prophecy.
The promise for the church is that it will still be on the earth when the Lord returns.
Thanks as you know this clarification now.

Imagine, you mean he even quoted a mission statement as a prophecy?
And this shows that RCCG is a business venture and not a church.
And honestly the man Adeboye has succeeded in milking Nigerians dry because Nigerians are a superstitious people who keep believing every cockcroach and wall gecko is a demonic attack.

The other day I watched the man requesting for billions of donations from his members and asking the billionaire donors to see him personally for a special meeting. I van imagine how much he raised that night alone.

The purpose of course wasn't to feed the needy but to build more auditorium for the church. But truly we know half of that is going into his personal account.

Organised religion is the real business.
I know a friend who decided to venture into the church business as his other ventures didn't work.
Today he already has a following and I can bet in a few years time they'll be calling him Daddy too.

I just remind him occasionally that we know his story.

Omooba77:
It will still come to pass, you might even be the One God is waiting for sir.
I have met with people sir by God's grace

Your proof that prophecy is real is one that you're still waiting to come to pass?

And I thought I was dealing with a rational mind.

The problem is yall keep waiting for prophecies that are written for those in the bible.
You don't have a personal prophecy. Because all that feed you with is cock and bull.

Omooba77:
Thanks sir. Several, that RCCG will have a member in every family of the world. That I will dine with Kings

That's a very vague prophecy.
For your first prophecy, in my family and I'm sure many other family, there's no RCCG member. Atleast I can tell you that for a fact.

And for the second part, honestly have you ever dined with a king not even kings? Of course some pastors could interprete that as wealthy men so how many wealthy men have you dined with?

Bruno3000:
People like u existed in the days of Noah. They thought themselves as being the wise ones while Noah who was obeying God's instruction to build an ark in order to escape the coming flood, as being the foolish one until the rains came down and cleared their doubts. You see Mr man, there is no book as magnificent, ever true and potent as the Holy Bible. Abi u want to argue that Noah did not exist? Or the flood was just a myth? Trust me when I say this world as u know it will end Some day. It might even be after another two thousand years or less. Saying this does not in anyway make me miserable. I cannot even wait for this system of things to end someday...

Atleast the bible said Noah heard from God. What did you or your pastors and prophets hear? Absolutely nothing. You just keep waiting for every bad news to preach end time.

Omooba77:
Isaiah too predicted what Surah too said

Are you brain dead?

Do your research you won't, that's why you fall for everything.

Both the Bible and Quran copied from the Torah.

Omooba77:
Today many people dont believe in prophecies because they see many men of God as fake.
The Truth about prophecies is that if it is of God, no matter how long it will come to pass.

Remember, Isaiah prophecied about the birth of Jesus, which did not come in the life time of Isaiah and all that heard it. Many would have taken him to be a joker, alas, about 400 years later the prophecy was fulfilled.

So many prophecies in the Bible; many have been fulfilled, some yet. In a nutshell, all will be fulfilled!

The Greatest of them all is that Jesus Christ will return back and Only His Saints will reign with Him!

OP I am tempted to call you many unprintable names.

Now, answer yourself, why is it that the only prophecy you could mention is what was written in the bible.

How many prophecies have you experienced personally? Not hearsay but your personal experience.
Even your pastor knows he's just a gambler when it comes to prophecies.

Mavrick2012:
A friend just showed this scripture to me:

"Give a tenth of your products, to the levite, strangers, fatherless and widows, so they will have what to eat while in your land".

Can i begin to give a portion of my tithe to my widowed sister?

Reading through the bible, you will see the confusions and contradictions. Which is why there are different doctrines in the many denominations of the church.

There are portions of the bible that say all your tithes must go to the church.
Some verses say you can even decide to spend it on drinks and enjoy yourself.
Yet some verses say God only needs yours cheerful giving without pegging a percentage to it.

As most pastors are scammers, different pastors will interprete this in ways that favour them.
They guilt-trip you into believing God will curse you for not giving to their church especially because it is their church that God is using to bless you. Sound familiar?
If you know what Grace is, you won't even be asking this questions.

You do as you feel comfortable with it.
Your salvation is not tied to your tithe.
Your blessing is not tied to your tithe.

The whole intent of giving is to deliver you from greed and selfishness. As long as you become a generous person either to the church or needy, your good works are acceptable to God.

Bruno3000:
Just two thousand years and ur giving up? Whether u like it or not this world as we know it must come to an END at the APPOINTED TIME. And please don't call me miserable for not supporting agents of bad influence and morally- bankrupt folks such as Tiwa.

When you preach misery, is it not because you're miserable?
I only called you by what you preached.

And this is not even about defending what Tiwa decides to do with herself. It's about you and other end-time scare-mongering christians without sense.

People have been expecting the end time since forever. Even the disciples were expecting the end time in their time according to the bible yet till date there's still no end time.

That should be enough to make any intelligent person know that the bible has been tested and proven false by time because as wise men say, only time can tell.

Like why do you all wait for bad news just to start preaching end times?
Just because there's a pandemic all Christian's who couldn't even predict the pandemic all of a sudden are prophelying that it's end time.

It only takes people with miserable lives to be praying for the world to end.

This is not the first pandemic and might not be the last. The world did not end then and it wont end now.
To your disappointment, the world will get better and if you're not careful it is only your own world that would end.