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Davash222:
I'm just wondering what Cynthia Morgan bought from Jude that she's owing him 40Million dollars.

jcross19:
If you still believe that story of Noah and all race came out of Noah, then it means you don't put attention to what you are reading. the same chapter said all mankind and including the giants were wept off only remained the family of Noah now tell me how did Goliath come into being? the land of cannan was occupied by giants even their king og and Bashan were of giants so how did they escape the flood. just head and reason.

Trailblazer1:
Biography

Hon. Abike Dabiri is a former news caster and member house of Representative.
A well known attention seeker.
Famed for her tribal bigotry and ethnic profiling to always name Igbos in every crime committed abroad where the Igbos were involved but suddenly becomes dumb where it involves Yorubas.
Always seeking to usurp the powers of the minister for Foreign affairs.
An egoistic trouble maker who always uses feminism as a defence.

eplanning:
Song of Solomon 1:5
"I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon."

Jeremiah 14:2
"Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up."

Job 30:30
"My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat."


YOU CANY DENY THAT THEY WERE MELANATED PEOPLE.

MuttleyLaff:
It trips up, a lot, quite a few of our Muslim and Atheist brothers/sisters and it leaves me laughing very hard. On the face of it, they appear contradictory and so you find some argumentative Muslim and Atheist brothers/sisters come up waving those two verses about crying blue murder, that they are inconsistencies, when they aren't, lmao. Doing a thorough or detailed review of the verses would have saved them from slipping on that banana skin.

The construct used in the two verses, we also often use it too, when conversing in Yoruba.

Case in point 1:
"Ẹ ku irọle, sir". Though you heard me, but you, pretending not to have heard, prolly from still nursing an earlier vex, will respond "Mi o gbọ ẹ"

Loosely translated means:
"Good evening, sir". Though you heard me, but you, pretending not to have heard, prolly from still nursing an earlier vex, will respond "I don't hear you"

Case in point 2:
"Good evening, sir". Though you loud and clearly heard me, but since you don't understand nor speak English, will in Yoruba, honestly and truthfully say "Mi o gbọ ẹ" ( i.e. ''I don't understand you'')

eplanning:
-Esau is not Israel.
-Hope you know "ruddy" skin is not Cauccassian.
-Nothing of Absalom suggests anything white or Cauccassian. Only in the minds of the already brainwashed.

See ruddy people below... and by the way, that girl's ruddy hair is natural, so you can awake from your sleep and stop dreaming of oyinbo.

MuttleyLaff:
"¹Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the disciples of the Lord. He approached the high priest
²and requested letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any men or women belonging to the Way, he could bring them as prisoners to Jerusalem.
³As Saul drew near to Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.
⁴He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?”
⁵“Who are You, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” He replied.
⁶“Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
⁷The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless. They heard the voice but did not see anyone"
- Acts 9:1-7

"¹Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you.
²(And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
³I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
⁴And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.
⁵As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.
⁶And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.
⁷And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
⁸And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
⁹And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of Him that spake to me."
- Acts 22:1-9

Let's jazz up the conversation a little with Acts 9:7 and Acts 22:9

AnonPoet:
Meet the men that deliver long-range precision fire for the Nigerian army. The Nigerian army has an entire battalion of snipers divided into three classes and are trained across many different types of threat environments.

https://twitter.com/DefenseNigeria/status/1264542256087863300?s=19[/quote]Yet they can't carry out a covert operation to take out Shekau and his boko boys.
And Burutai is just a fraud.

I can only give credit to whom it's due. Chad army we know but NA has proven to be a failure by all standards. They're only gallant in harassing civilians.

Bomboclat Snipers that can only take out mosquitoes.

Righteousness89:
[s][/s]

Young Man U lack understanding.... you are neither here nor there!

Accept JESUS CHRIST, so u get Understanding of Life.

Am Through with u

Righteousness89:
[s][/s]

You allow the devil to confuse and blind u from light!

Where did u see the Apostles Struggle or wealth?

Where in the Bible did you see David Struggle for wealth Nd Riches ?

Wake up young man! And stop Chasing Nonessentials! There is No more Time!

Pursue JESUS CHRIST and be Firm in Him..

It will save you a lot!

There is no more Time!

Righteousness89:
You Struggle not Everyone!

It's a Choice!

When you are tired of Struggling you Chsnge base!

eplanning:
Hope you know you haven't made any point. Infact you haven't spoken/written intelligently at all. "Bible made it clear" but you couldn't show a single verse. Hmm?

Righteousness89:
Having them is not Sin...

I seek GOD and he gives me all that..

There is a level of Life called Stresslliving.

You Get there by Seeking GOD and His Righteousness.. Then He makes those things available for you and to you without Struggle.

Life is Not by Struggle!! Life is a Gift from GOD!
You don't Struggle for a Gift! It is Given

That's where I operate!

Righteousness89:
Sir, What will it Profit you to Hit Diamond, platinum, Gold and all the $€£¥ with your Talent while You Miss Heaven because you used your Talent to Glorify worldliness and worldly lusts?

If your Motive for following JESUS is for food, money , Cloths, properties etc you have Missed Your purpose for being Created Bro.

Think about it

DrPurple:
https://www.hipipo.com/home/2014/04/10/understand-the-difference-between-religious-christian-and-gospel-music/

Righteousness89:
If only Cynthia will see this as an opportunity to turn to JESUS CHRIST and Make Peace with Him..

Some events that happen in our lives is GOD'S hand to pull us out of the Way of Destruction.

But Alas some persons try to use their hands to plug themselves back to Destruction..

MuttleyLaff:
I am sure you studies English grammar in at least secondary school during English language lesson from where your English teacher would have introduced you to Conditional Particle Or Conjunction.

Now Greek speaking people, follow a similar principle when communicating in Greek. You are imposing your English understanding of conditional upon an opposing Greek way of understanding conditionals. Go read up on it because the NT originally want written in English, it rather was in Greek, so this means the rules in Greek grammar applies, not the rules in English language grammar.

You're trying so very hard to make fetch happen. For what purpose, to what end? For a gift that the lowest of the lowest on the hierarchy ladder

I have said enough on this verse et al, I just right now, aren't anymore bothered. Whatever floats anyone's boat.

You knew answering my asked questions, will find you out, that's is why you stepped them over, not bothered to reply to them

Interesting15:
God, the Supreme Creator of everything, never made a mistake creating you with your sexual urges. However, you must know that God has given you those urges for honourable purposes, and He expects that you will be human enough to put on the garment of self control, and never allow your sexual urges drive you into sinful and illicit sexual activities.

Today, different people are giving different opinions on issues pertaining sex and sexuality. However, wisdom demands that you don't build a pivotal aspect of your life around the fallible words of imperfect humans like yourself, but that you seek tested and trusted eternal and divine principles and truths.

Thus, as regards how you should approach issues pertaining sex and sexuality, you should prioritise and adhere only to what God is saying. And the Word of God is that the only sex partner you should have must be your married spouse (who must be a member of the opposite gender), only in the safe circle of the marriage institution.

WE ARE DESIGNED TO FLORUISH AND LIVE WITH THE WORD OF GOD

It is abnormal living outside the Word of God. Just like a fish is divinely designed to flourish inside the water, humanity can only find true pleasantness by embracing the Word of God and living in accordance to God's Will.

The Bible says, "By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God" (Hebrews 11:3). Meaning, what held the world together is the Word of God, and only through God's Word will our world make perfect sense. Since the Word of God is the Ingredient used in making this world, then God's Word is the key to the world's true fulfilment. God's Word is the formula for the world's well-being, as the Word of God is the foundation of the world.

No wonder our world is in its current state of unpleasant jeopardy - as individuals and institutions and nations are rebellious towards God's Word.

Jesus Christ is the Word of God Who has been with the Father from Eternity (John 1:1). Then scriptures says, "In Him (Jesus) was life, and the life was the light of men" (John 1:4).

Our world is a dark room filled with all manner of vices and harmful stuff. But when you embrace Jesus into your life as Lord and Savior, He resides in you and gives you Light. So you start living with clarity, knowing to do what is right, and ignoring harmful ventures of sin and the devil - which then empower you to have true dominion over the devil, sin and hell

So, you see, you must make Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior, and start living in accordance to the Will and dictates of God. This is what you are destined to do! This is what empowers you not to be a slave to sex or your urges!

Call on the Name of Jesus Christ now! Sincerely ask Him to come into your life.

BREAK THE CONNECTION WITH YOUR SEX PARTNERS

Since having sex with anyone that's not your legally married spouse is contrary to God's Word and Will, then you must break the relationship you have with your sex partner(s) - irrespective of who they are and what you benefit from them. It might be a tough decision, but please, do it immediately! And you will be eventually glad you did!

In conclusion, perhaps you've broken the relationship with your illicit sex partner, but you are still struggling with the urge to go back to them (or you still have fantasies or see yourself having sex with them in your dreams), you have to break the soul ties with prayers and the Word of God! Pray and fast fervently, and get occupied with spiritual and productive activities!

God bless you in Jesus Name!

MuttleyLaff:
Tongue, an organ of speech, is a member of the body of a human being, not celestial beings and also is the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other people, so again my dear brother Goshen360, that is the kind of language or tongue, what Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 14:2

donnie:
The Bnai Ephraim (Children of Ephraim). Most of them concentrated around various communities in Ondo state since the 1930s, about 2000 people in all. According to their traditions, they came to Nigeria by way of Morocco sometime in the 16th century. Their language is a mixture of Moroccan Arabic with Yoruba, but with bits of Aramaic, such as ima for “mother.” Other Yorubas may call them Emo Yo Quaim – the “Strange People” as like in most ethnic groups, the practice of Judaism is among a very small minority. The Bnai Ephraim have kept portions of the Torah in their sanctuaries which distinguish them from their Igbo counterparts who practice Judaism without much influence from the Torah.

They fit the Biblical description and still maintain the Hebraic customs of the ten tribes. From their circumcision, marriage, childbirth, twinning, naming, and traditional religious customs to the lisping among the Ibadan subgroup. The character of this tribe is in agreement with ancient maps that identify them as comprising primarily the Hebrew tribe of Ephraim.

Those of YAHUNDE (Judah) were placed in the region of West Africa now known as Benin Republic by the Portuguese during the Spanish Inquisition which began in the 1400s where Jews were expelled from Spain and Portugal.

There are also descendants of GAD among the Yoruba. Last Prime Minister of Yarubawa land, Bashorun Gaa is generalissimo, Yoruba war leader. Gideon is Bashorun Ga, Ologunda, Oludariogun, Ogunda, Gunda, Ogaadari-ogun, Gada (Gad). Ogaadri-ogun; Oga (Master, lord, leader, boss), adari (controller, commander), Ogun (war). Ogun-da meaning war destroyer, Ga-da means to seperate, break, cut down, destroy, Gun means to stab.

He is the biblical Gad, son of Yaruba, son of Adua.

The Ga people of Ghana are linked with the Gad of the bible, people don't bear these names for nothing.

Etymology of the name Gideone: British Baby Names:
The name is derived from the Hebrew gada "to hew down/off, to cut asunder," which has been interpreted in a number of ways. It was once interpreted as meaning "having a stump (for a hand/foot)" while others take the meaning "he who fells" and extend it to "mighty warrior" or "destroyer. Gideon is Gad, field marshal, soldiers highest rank.

The maps below were probably used by slave traders to source for slaves to be shipped to Europe and the New World between the 15th and 19th centuries.

The presence of these maps is a testament to the fact that western powers obviously thought that the Hebrews and Jews were living in large numbers in the West African region.

As usual, there will be three major reactions to truths like this:
1. Pretend you never saw it and wait for your pastor, priest or Imam to preach it.
2. Argue blindly even though the truth is peppering you.
3. Repent and start keeping the Commandments of YAHUAH as an ISRAELITE.

SHABBAT SHALOM.
#AwakeOIsrael


FUN FACTS:
-Baale of Judah, means "lords of Judah" in the Hebrew language.
-Baali is found in Hosea 2:16. Some English bibles translate Baale in the same verse as Lord.
-Baale is an equivalent title for the traditional yoruba king.

http://machpelahcave.website/yoruba-hebrew-israelites/

https://www.sefaturahyorubaresearchfoundation.org/443529847

Missyajoke:
I hope we're blessed with this short message of mine as we understand how Speaking/Praying in tongues helps in building our spiritual life.

Why do we need to speak/ pray in tongues.

The full baptism of the Holy Spirit is always evidenced by speaking in tongues. In Act 2 " 1-4
"And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind and it gilled all the house where they were sitting.

And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire and it sat upon each of them, and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." What does " As the Spiri gave them utterance means" it means where he lives in the innermost part of your being- in your spir- from there rivers of living waters will flow.

Out of your spirit you'll begin to hear the voice of the Spirit giving you utterances. You'll hear it on the inside. But you have to open your mouth and speak it out. When you receive the baptism of the Holy spirit there is no need for dramatic emotion or jerking or falling down.

Some people, when they begin to speak on tongues they do not have fluency, or a large spiritual vocabulary. They are like little children when they're first learning his to speak, talking in broken words as they're learning. The constant infilling of the Spirit keeps you full of the mighty power of the Holy Spirit. Its a continual experience.

By speaking In tongues regularly, you fine - tune your spirit's awareness of the Holy Spirits indwelling presence.

Reasons for praying/ Speaking in Tongues

1. It edifies you or builds you up spiritually. Look at what Paul wrote to the Corinthians. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifies himself (1 Cor. 14:4)
2. Speaking in Tongues reminds us of the Holy Spirits residence wcorrectly ( John 14:16-17)
3. Praying in tongues helps us pray correctly (Rom.8:26-27)
4. Praying in tongues stimulates our faith. (Jude 20)
5. Praying in tongues helps to keep us from foul talk.
6. Praying in tongues bring spiritual refreshing.(John 7:38-39)
7. Speaking in tongues helps to build a sensitivity to the Holy Spirit.(Rom. 8:14-16)
8. Speaking I'm tongues gives us power to be witnesses.(Acts 1:

hoopernikao:
No you haven't. And yet you haven't understood tongues and you must.

There are key issues you deliberately left behind and that is what will help you see clearly in Acts 2. You haven't yet on 1 Cor 14.

I am not fixative on 1 Cor 14. I said we must understand how tongue is taught first to help you understand it's practices. You are putting the horse before the cart.

You are like a fellow who refused to be taught or study the teaching on piloting a plane but start shouting I can fly a plane because I saw it being practiced. You know what that will end to.


So, your conviction on 1 Cor 14 must be proper first.

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1. That tongue is one and not two as taught in scriptures,.

2. That tongue is not human language and it was never taught by Paul as human language.

3. That for tongue to bless there must be interpretation or/and prophecy.

4. That tongues was taught regularly and must be practice always with interpretation and prophecy.

When you are clear on the above, you will see A ts 2, Acts 8, Acts 10, Acts 19 clearly

So, that should be our focus now.

hoopernikao:
You aren't still reading properly, that is why you are asking such questions you have been raising. Read well, patiently and carefully. You are rushing hence misquoting.

Doctrine which is teaching gives you knowledge hence leads to spiritual growth. No one can grow by seeing events or experience. Experience has it's place but doctrine is what put them in right perspectives. True spiritual maturity comes from teaching not experiences. Experiences is what make anyone come up today to say anything even when contrary to the teaching of the scriptures. We judge all events, experience with established teachings. So, all documented experiences must align to the teaching of the bible. The problem here is you. You are the one who is yet to understand Acts 2. And I have said it many times here 1 Cor 14 is an explanation of Acts 2. Acts 2 is not an explanation of 1 Cor 14.


So read this next thing I writing well.

You should not neglect book of Acts or Acts 2, it is scriptures and gives us the history, practices and patterns of the early church.

But what you must know is, Epistles are direct instructions not events to the Church. They are explanation of all the books of the Bible including the 4 gospels and Acts. It is in Epistles you can unravelled various mysteries and uncleared issues in the bible. The spirit spoke expressly and clearly in epistles for us to be able to grow well.

So, I must first understand what the Apostles taught and how they taught an issue in epistles before going to explain the events. Events are eye witnesses, which the spirit inspired the author to document. Epistles aren't eye witnesses but spirit words, teaching you directly.

So what you missed is this based on our discussion here

You can't use Acts to explain Epistles. You must use Epistles to explain Acts. That is, you must read Paul's epistles well on tongues as that is all we have as teaching in tongues. Then use it to explain events of Acts where you have practices of tongues.

I hope I am clear now? I don try for you o.

ahnie:
Please kindly leave that compound for few weeks.
But if after few days of your returning back and the strange occurrence still occures kindly look for money then pack out from that compound.





Her death isn't natural.....she was killed!

Finallydead:
My day is blessed, thanks a lot. Wish you grace and peace from the Father as well.
Acehart, you must, if you're willing to, learn to put all scriptures in their context. Only an unskilful workman(2Tim2:15) does otherwise.

You just by comparing 1Cor13 with Gal1:8, discarded the context of 1Cor13. You are now guilty of inserting those seeming insignificant words from Gal1:8 that completely change its idea, like Muttley did that I was correcting.
An emphatic NO. It is not one bit the same tone that Paul uses in both.
And how can we confirm that? Follow the two different stories.
In Gal1:8, Paul used those words Mutt was trying to add to 1Cor13
Gal 1:8 KJV BUT EVEN IF we, OR an angel from heaven...
You see those bolded words there, they make it only an unrealistic example flowing with the context that "...some were perverting the gospel of Christ..."(v7).

That was why I had to make sure Muttleylaff got caught trying to add those.


But 1Cor13 is very different.
1Co 13:1 KJV If(no "but"/no "even" ) I speak with the tongues of men AND (no "or even" ) of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
You see the absence of those words make a huge difference when you put the text in its context from 1Cor 12:31. The "and" also is very important because it shows a strict pairing and joining of the two into the gift called "sorts of tongues".
The even larger context of 1Cor13:1 begins in 1Cor12:1, which is a branch/new string in the entire letter. We can title this segment "Concerning the Spiritual...(1Cor12:1)". So in 1Cor12, he goes on to list out gifts. After all that, he ends the chapter by saying

1Co 12:31 KJV But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet(or plus) shew I unto you a more excellent way(love)

So in 1Cor13:1, he describes a scenario (not an impossible one but a very possible) hence "if" in which the best gifts(from 1Cor12) are used minus love to show that these plus love is the more excellent way.

With all the explanation I did up there about 1Cor13:1-3, you ought to have already seen that Paul is calling REAL gifts already listed in 1Cor12 in 1Cor13:1-3, not some impossible scenarios. Not one of the gifts listed there was an impossible gift. So, if you want to single out tongues of angels as impossible, do it for every other gift listed in v1-3. Mutt, of course, knows better than to cheerlead you for that.
It's plain and simple, if you are humbly and objectively searching for truth and not trying to hold on to a position.
One last thing, on a field of search for truth, try not to be distracted by cheers and hugs. Maintain your focus until you find truth. If you still honestly don't know, I advise you go back to God in prayer.

God bless you.

hoopernikao:
This should be handled differently. I wont look into this to avoid distraction. We have a serious view at hand and must keep that focus.

All i would say for now on this is proper context is key.
And also, by rule of bible interpretation, you cant build a doctrine from a single mention activities that have no corroboration. Such doctrine will fall flat when questioned.

hoopernikao:
You consistently ask question without answering my. It is not my exegesis, it is Bible exegesis.

Firstly, you must understand that teaching (epistles) as i have told you must take preeminence on events. You must use teaching to explain events because it is doctrine that brings knowledge and stability. You already have a wrong bias of Acts 2 and that is affecting all your interpretation.

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1. Tongues as taught in the bible is ONE. Except we want to start looking at what is not lost. You will need to re-read the only place Paul mentioned "tongues of angels" and read well in context. He wasnt discussing tongues rather.

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2. Paul took time to explain tongues in 1 Cor 14, and all his explanation points to the facts that no one can understand it except interpreted. This is what i have passed across in this thread over 100 times. Anyone who says Paul taught tongues as human language carried the bias and wrong interpretation of Acts 2. By Paul's teaching tongues is not human language and it cant be understood by unbeliever or believer.

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3. Tongues exegesis was fully taught by Paul side by side with INTERPRETATION AND PROPHECY. I have said this 4 times now. That is the key to unravel your thoughts. Where tongue exist, interpretation and prophecy must be present for others to be blessed. Acts 2, they were blessed, Acts 8 same, Acts 10, same, Acts 19 same. Tongues will bless no man except the speaker. This is a foundational doctrine on tongues you must first accept.. and then read other places in scriptures as such.

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4. In Bible interpretation, know that bible has what with called GENRE. That is, the style of writing and type of writing. You must fully understand this to know how to handle each book of the bible. Not all books of the bible are doctrine. We have Genre: Prophecies, Psalms, Epistles, Proverbs etc. The moment you start treating a non doctrinal book as doctrine you will have issues.
I have mentioned to you how book of Acts must be handled. It is an historical record of the early churches, including practices, pattern and events. You will also know that their was progressing knowledge in how they handle things overtime. That must be understood well.

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Epistles are doctrines, teachings to you and i, to the church. They are direct instructions to you and i. They give you knowledge. That is where you must established all doctrine. When it is not taught dont go there, when it is stay there. But the challenge you have hard over time is you cant differentiate this so you end up mixing things up.

You must first understand tongues as doctrine (Epistles) before understanding its events in Acts. And you cant ever established in Epistles that tongue is heard by any human. Never. Take this to the bank.

hoopernikao:
You are actually the one avoiding all my questions. I have given you not less than 4 questions you have avoided now.

Kindly pay attention.

What you ask me is not a question because if you are reading my writings well you wont even ask such question. The question is from the result of not reading properly and paying attention.

See it here
Your question: Have you ever spoken in another tongue (which you never knew) for an unbeliever to understand?

I have consistently maintain in all scriptures that tongues werent met to be understood. That Paul's explanation of tongues to anyone is that it is not to be understood. So, asking the above is because you arent paying attention. How do you want me to practice what wasnt documented in the scriptures.

You are the one who hold such view that tongue can be understood by unbeliever, you are the one who explained that tongues was used for preaching, therefore you should be the one answering that. Hope you are satisfied now. Always read before having to ask.

Now,

Back to our discussion.
Does Paul's unbeliever understood tongues? Show me that from the scriptures.
Did Paul' tongue (his teaching on tongue) teaches that tongue can be understood by any (unbeliever/believer) without interpretation?
Explain how tongue was used for preaching and saving souls considering Paul's stand on tongues.

I am currently pointing you back to the very scriptures you started from which you think will solve the issue, but alas, you arent ready to stay on it again.


Also in separate post, i have raised you questions so as not to mix thing up. I need your answers to them.

hoopernikao:


Bro, this your exegesis nah wah o. Tongues of angels kwa?

Dont you read bible again? I hope you havent started reading Gretchen and Hansel type of book. You need to calm down and start reading properly.

All you put above are just assumptions. You are only trying to defend what isnt there. Wondering who exactly is reading his own meaning into the scriptures.

So, now, Acts 2 and 1 Cor 14 tongues are different? 1 Cor 14 isnt human tongue again as you said?
You must be from the other side serously.

See, how you started.
You mentioned that unbeliever in Paul's doctrine understood tongues. That Paul taught tongues as human language, that is where you started from. And i have challenged that without you having an explanation, now you then turn now that it is angels language. You will soon see Lucife r language.

Apparently, you couldnt defend 1 Cor 14 with your "tongue is human langauge" again. So, firstly accept your error. That is Christiany

I maintain and tell you, that without reading Acts 2 meaning into your explanation, you cannot find anywhere Paul taught tongues as human language. No where. And to start splitting tongue to angel and human is both a lazy approach to Bible study and lack of sincerity to understand Bible language and style .

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Tongues in Acts is what Paul explained., no difference. Go and get that down into you. Jesus didnt promise two different tongues. Stop confusing yourself.

I gave you a clue to Paul's' explanation and writing on tongues but you dont pay attention. Paul taught tongues with interpretation and prophecy, Peter explained Acts 2 as prophecy, other places in [b]Acts has prophecies and interpretation. Cant you read it well.[/b]

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Well, we will get there. I think 1 Cor 14 is already getting clearer to you since you have opt that it is now ANGELIC TONGUE and not human.

But please read well, again and again, So, that you dont manipulate Paul's teaching.

hoopernikao:
You are actually the one avoiding all my questions. I have given you not less than 4 questions you have avoided now.

Kindly pay attention.

What you ask me is not a question because if you are reading my writings well you wont even ask such question. The question is from the result of not reading properly and paying attention.

See it here
Your question: Have you ever spoken in another tongue (which you never knew) for an unbeliever to understand?

I have consistently maintain in all scriptures that tongues werent met to be understood. That Paul's explanation of tongues to anyone is that it is not to be understood. So, asking the above is because you arent paying attention. How do you want me to practice what wasnt documented in the scriptures.

You are the one who hold such view that tongue can be understood by unbeliever, you are the one who explained that tongues was used for preaching, therefore you should be the one answering that. Hope you are satisfied now. Always read before having to ask.

Now,

Back to our discussion.
Does Paul's unbeliever understood tongues? Show me that from the scriptures.
Did Paul' tongue (his teaching on tongue) teaches that tongue can be understood by any (unbeliever/believer) without interpretation?
Explain how tongue was used for preaching and saving souls considering Paul's stand on tongues.

I am currently pointing you back to the very scriptures you started from which you think will solve the issue, but alas, you arent ready to stay on it again.


Also in separate post, i have raised you questions so as not to mix thing up. I need your answers to them.

Goshen360:
First, I completely agree that what was spoken in Acts was understood by other foreign nationals. However, can you explain:

1. How it is a "new" (kainos) language the Apostles spoke as against an already existing foreign (allotrios) language which others could understand......as per the explanation of hupernikao

2. The language the Apostles spoke to other men was spoken men to men. Is it the same language Paul taught about in 1 cor 14vs2?

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:
for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries"


3. If you say it's the same, please explain why one was spoken to God and the other spoken to men....that is, 1 cor 14vs2 says, the speaker does not speak to men but to God

3b. Why doesn't any man understand the speaker of 1 cor 14vs2 but the speakers Acts 2 was understood by the foreign nationals that was present?