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Powersurge:
It signifies that you have no brain. When wisdom speaks foolishness keeps quiet. I do not suffer fools. There too many of them already in the world.

brodalikeme:
Why seek the intervention of a God you don’t believe in. Even if He were a machinery, you will have to believe in Him and pay Him to get the job done.

Shelumiel:
... Is that according to the facts on ground, or according to your myopic view?

Shelumiel:
And why hasn't science found the vaccine yet?

armadeo:
The guy killed that movie. He won it hands down. Hes talk, actions, facial expression everything.

We fly together we die together creating minipanic.

Loved it die. Real action comedy in equal proportions.

armadeo:
Currently watching bad boys for life.

Men unplanned to skip this one till tv shows it but damn.

I've been laughing my butt of since I started. Still on it now.

This scene kills me...

Martin Lawrence wins this movie so far...

OtemAtum:
These are simple questions and a long sermon is not needed to answer it. Long sermons are for indoctrination and nobody can deceive somebody like me into following long sermons when a simple question is asked. If you can't answer the questions, then just forget about it. Thanks.

hupernikao:
It is sad that you cant read when post are long. I know it is a strange thing these days to be serious with discussions. Sorry for that, but i cant help you. It is a culture you need to develop so as to be able to understand things and not appear lazy.

Firstly, i will advise you to try to be a patient person and read patiently and spend time to think on what you read. Also, help yourself to be able to be diligent in proper study.
Life is not in jumping guns to prove a point. You may end up embarrassing yourself someday if you dont have good grasp of what you hold tight. No one is in competition with you, get that. You can have such feeling on face less media, but in life, ensure you dont expose such laziness but be calm to study and learn before having an opinion on things.

Scriptures arent for lazy lads even by those who deliberately find fault in it. It is serious work, so maybe you may face what you are well cut out for, and leave this for those who can read.

Kizzygentle:
If there was an option I wouldn't ask on a public platform. After all av been taking care of myself b4 now. Have run out of options and I have to feed. And pls am not a scammer. On a good day u won't have this chance to say such. But its a ll good.

hupernikao:
Well, firstly. I will appreciate a honest discussion with you. Being honest doesnt mean you accept what is being said but that you know what is said is true. Accepting it is another thing. The moment you are just out to be arguing in unstable way it will be bad for proper discussion.

Secondly, Like i told you before, there are no contradictions in the scriptures, its ignorance and laziness that make a man scream such, hence you should engage in proper study. It is also laziness referring your audience or counterpart to goggle things you never presented. When you start an argument be ready to do the dirty work of presenting adequate evidence and information.

You see, there are some argument you dont make especially when its not your area, what you should do is to ask questions. Arguing on things you dont know will make you appear bad. There are room for knowing via asking questions, and there are room for argument via knowledge. The truth is when i see most atheist argument on scriptures here it only make me laugh as its obvious many are not only ignorant but display stark illiteracy. Atheist in developed world, will make logical argument after proper study, examining all avenue not picking and interpreting words in confusion.

You imagine the verse you are arguing on, its easier for you to do such online because you arent under view or broadcast. If you are place under such you may end up ridiculing yourself as interpretation are usually based on usage of words and most times having a proper study of the word used. But what you do is to interpret as most layman who cant sit and make proper research before speaking. Your ignorance will be explored and make you a hell of unlettered, unlearned and bible illiterate if you sit with an Hebrew/Greek expert and say what you just said about Numbers 12.

Learn this today, always and i mean always, check resources, make research before making conclusion so as not to be seen as unlearned fellow. You can be literate in Bible interpretation and not still believe in it. There are many who are not Christians but are involved in bible translation due to how they can handle language. They will present the scriptures as close as its written. But a bible illiterate will only be jumping on words without even knowing its meaning. You must see arguments beyond NL, you should be able to defend all your facts without jumping the guns.

Having said that, to the issue at hand.

I have cleared the issue of Manoah seeing God (Judges 13 vs 22), Jacob seeing God (Genesis 32 vs 30) as false and i believe the facts that you cant puncture that shows your humility to accept your error.

Now to Numbers 12. I have read over and over again and couldnt see where it stated that Moses saw God.

I am sure you must be referring verse 8

Numbers 12:8


And the word in question here is the word similitude (and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold) that is what you referred to.

I believe you know that the major of the OT is written in Hebrew, so when there is word issue, best is to check the original words. There are over a million resources on the internet for you to confirm what i want to explain and educate yourself more.

The word similitude is taking from the Hebrew word. The word similitude was translated from the Hebrew word "tĕmuwnah", It was used 10 times in OT, It directly mean form, image, likeness, representation, semblance. When ever tĕmuwnah is used it usually point to a copy or image of the ORIGINAL but not the original. Let me give you other places it is used in the scriptures.

Exo 20:4


Observe likeness (tĕmuwnah), that is image of the original, in this context, original is "thing that is in heaven above"

Job 4:16


Image (tĕmuwnah), not the actual. He couldnt discern the Original.

Psa 17:15


Likeness again, not original. Observe, he said behold thy face in righteousness. That is in his attribute, countenance, not his person.

In ancient writings when tĕmuwnah is used it carries the meaning of something fashioned to represent an original.

The Septuagint (LXX) if you know what that means, it is the Greek translation of the Hebrews scriptures. Note that this translation precedes even the birth of Jesus, and some of the Apostles used it. So we can rely on its closeness to the ancient hebrews.

In Septuagint translation, the word used in Numbers 12:8 for similitude is doxa (δόξα) literally meaning glory. Used in Greek NT 169 times. It means honor, renown, glory splendor, renown; glory, an especially divine quality, the unspoken manifestation of God, splendor.

Observe it is a likeness not the Original but an apparent glory of it.

Now back to Numbers 12:8

The events spoken of here is seen in Exo 33 which i have cleared earlier.

Exo 33:20-22


So, what Moses beheld was God's glory (doxa), hence the likeness, image, similitude of him.

Moses and anyone never seen God at anytime, hence the reason Jesus said that. It will only be a journey of futility to try to contradict that considering the much evidence we have in the scriptures to support this.

Lastly. I want to believe, you are someone given to reading and not just want to speak or type. Reading is part of learning and argument. So, ensure you read and understand all i wrote before commenting. It will be laziness to want to debunk a writing without proper reading and understanding the writings itself. You will be interpreting like a fellow who after hearing "lend me your hand" in the Bible, start panting up and down screaming why do they cut hands in the Bible or God like cutting hands.

Your last point is not within this space, if you want to discuss that, open another thread or resurrect a former on that as your companions always do. Then we can discuss.

But let me ask, truthfully, have you actually read the Bible yourself before, i mean reading it properly by yourself.

masterP042:
Church people now no dey heal diseases again since covid 19 start, I wonder what other signs they need to see that this religious believes are fake. Sadly they can't see the handwriting on the wall.
Even the disease no dey spare church people, the guy yesterday that died in Asaba was a pastor.. God which way na? Why u leave shekau target pastor?

Kizzygentle:
Pls I need help. I am financially exhausted. I didn't eat last night and dont know what to eat dis morning. Please good people of naira land come to my aid this season of reflection. Heaven knows av never done this before I beg u all in d name of this Easter season. May God replenish in a million fold. God bless us all and happy Good Friday.
0724956540.
Access bank.

Nothing is to small. Just to feed.

Oluromantic:
The primitivity of Nigeria is enough to lock Nigeria down at one spot forever.. Haba!

Eating meat on good Friday is a taboo

Sex with your pregnant wife taboo

Trying other positions apart from missionary..taboo

A girl being the first to walk up to a guy...taboo.

Calling your boyfriend and telling him u miss him..taboo

Sex in the afternoon, in the car, in the kitchen..taboo

Separating two fighting fowls... taboo

Drink the nourishing water inside coconut..taboo

Helping your wife to wash her underwears, do her laundry, and chores... taboo

Standing your ground against unnecessary in-law assaults..taboo

Eating good food to nourish yourself after the trauma of sudden widowhood...taboo

Expressing psychological pain not as weakness for men...taboo

Confront a wicked elder whose wickedness is glaring.. taboo

Una no dey tire?

hupernikao:
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AK481:
Your father is a fool.

AK481:
Your father is a fool.

Racoon:
A terrorist cant fight terrorism.So Buhari is BH and BH is Buhari.He simply lied his way to power only to become the most useless phenomenon to ever happen to Nigeria

swazee:
With the current situation not just in Nigeria but in the world at large, it has been advised that we stay indoors. Internet is 2nd to food during this lockdown period as the rate of data consumption has skyrocketed.

This thread is to share our current data plans and to know which is the best and most cost efficient.

I use an Airtel 4G MIFI. I think the best Airtel subscription now is their 6gb for #1500 valid for 7days.

I have also heard about MTN 20gb for #3500. I guess that is better although I cannot use it because my MIFI accepts only Airtel sim.

Please share the current data plan you are using this period.

myettiallah:
Learn how to read and understand the letter was only referring to the 2015 article about idrkss derby saing dat the nigerian troops were not yet ready....
It didn't deny the fact that d chad president lead his troops personallly to d war front....

AK481:
Nonsense news to cover up buhari incompetence.

1.how come shakau released a video asking his people to fight on, is that one also old?

YoungAncient1:
To get off any hook, just claim you made the statement back in 2015 and you are good.

In 2015, you were allowed to insult the life out of the President. Now, it is a crime against humanity

Makavelli25:
This memo is fake
Faker than silicon

Riele:
Why do I sense selfishness in you ?

Angelfrost:
No new cases, no deaths... They can relax the lockdown and ease back to normal economic activities before anarchy sets in... There's a limit to what an average Nigerian can take.

They can however, maintain border closure or censure to prevent importing new cases into the state...

7 to 14 days are enough for the very sick to show symptoms, and be well quarantined... That's the essence of 14 day lockdown... Besides, without massive testing across the nation, lockdowns no matter how long, are a waste of time.

Northmall:
So the Virus will be sleeping from 8AM to 2PM?

beardlessdude:
Mamagee youre really ugly. I dont know who say and why they say you look like a nurse but you one hella ugly unattractive despondent bitch, I just cant!
Take

manuelreports:
They should stop troubling people, Coronavirus is not for blacks. How many blacks have died from the sickness. Our lack of indepth research dexterity have made up copy what ever black man does whether it suits us or not.

omooluorun:
I hope this isn't another avenue to loot the country. Corona virus is real, people are dying.

Decibel:
Each person 500,000 * 30days =15 Million.
Suppose, there are 36 persons in the Team + plus 4 top Officials that will be 540Million + 60Million
GrandTotal of 600Million naira/month.

Mr. Integrity and his forty thieves

Roon9:
Nairamarley seems to have mad connects in high places o. I'm sure they need him to help loot corohoax virus funds

Blitzerz:
And how does my being a church goer, affect u?

Get a life!