Nodogragra4me: Show us where it is written in the new testament that tithe was abolished ... Just a single verse to support your statement
It's rather ignorance that would make you expect a verbatim verse that says tithe is abolished. I could as well ask you to show me a single verse in the new testament that says tithe is not abolished? But that would make us both ignorant.
Wisdom would make you understand that it was abolished with the laws of old testament. Hebrews 7 especially sheds more light on the abolishment of the law of tithes.
LegalIcon: Mine was on August 1, 2015. I was traveling from Ilorin to Oyo town to see the parents of my ex then. I was driving and I had a friend also seated beside me on the front seat beside the driver. I wanted to stylishly convey my serious intention to her parents, so I bought different kinds of fruits and wrapped them like engagement items and kept them inside the boot.
Mind you I was supposed to attend a vigil on the eve of that day (Friday, 31st July), but I chose not too, because I would be traveling the following morning.
So, on getting to Alata area, before Deeper Life Camp (on the Ilorin-Ogbomosho expressway), I was not really overspeeding, but my car suddenly started swerving. By that time, I had lost control of the wheels, so, the car was just swerving on the road while on speed. My friend kept calling me and asking me about what was going on, and suddenly, the car hit one of these road dividers made of concrete and then summersaulted thrice and then faced the direction I was coming from (Ilorin). Now, the last thing I still remember was that when the car hit the road divider. I was GONE! It was as if there was a total blackout.
This was around 12pm. I remember seeing myself in a place where I met an old man. The old man asked me what I was doing there, I didn't utter a word. So, he told me to go back to where I was coming from, that I had not even done the work he gave me. At that time, I started hearing faintly the cry of people, and then after about 3 to 4 hours, I opened my eyes and I saw about four Doctors and Nurses doing suitures on my head and ear. I had memory loss and was just looking at everyone in the Theater. After some time, I asked where I was and I was told Lautech Teaching Hospital in Ogbomoso. I then began to ask them what had happened. They tried to ask me information about my family but I remembered none until after about an hour again.
I then saw my friend who by God's grace didn't sustain any serious injury. He then narrated the story: After my car (Honda bulldog) summersaulted thrice and stopped, the car bonnet flew to the other devide of the expressway. The car became a write off and to bring me out was a task. While my friend was brought out through the side window, the people who rushed to the scene had to use Cutlass and some metals to further break the car into pieces and then brought out my dead body. People were already wailing when a Pastor driving in his church bus offered to carry my body and my friend to the Teaching Hospital. As the man was driving, he was crying and praying that God should prove himself. That was on Saturday.
On Monday, my elder sister was returning from Lagos and when she got to the spot where the accident occurred, the driver of the commercial bus she boarded was showing the passengers that that was where a serious accident occurred on Saturday and a young guy died. Then, my sister told the guy that the guy came back to life, but the guy disbelieved. When it became an argument, my elder sister called me and I spoke to her while in the commercial bus. Could you believe that nothing happened to the fruits in the booth, including the wine I bought? Funningly too, myself and the girl didn't eventually marry.
WHAT CAN GOD NOT Do? Pls, share your own experience of God's Miracles and wonderful Acts. PLEASE, Let this testimony make the from page (to the glory of God) abeg!
What would have been a miracle is that the car and the fruits were totalld while you and your friends escaped unscathed. Having to be rushed to hospital to be treated and spend months on medications before you could be healed is normal. Your testimony has happened to several unbelievers too bro.
A Miracle is a what defies natural laws. When you have a proof of what defies natural laws and medicine, you can call it a testimony.
Omooba77: Church do not physically open for now; I want to ask Do you still pay your Tithes and Offerings?
To begin with, the new testament abolished tithes. Now you give willingly and as you deem fit.
Second, why do feel feel obligated to pay tithes? Is your church charity oriented? If yes, you can continue to give however you feel necessary. If not, you can direct your giving to the less privileged within your reach.
Pastors will tell you God doesn't recognise your giving outside the church but if you study your bible God recognised the gifts of the Centurion, as well the good deeds of Cornelius and Dorcas. But most pastors won't tell you that because then that would reduce their income.
Maximus69: OK do you now believe that Christianity can be well organized as in having the same line of thought?
Aren't you the same person who has been saying Christianity is complicated and we should accept it that way?
So now you're ready to take sides with some kind of teaching against another in the same Christianity you once said is full of complications!
OK now!
@ bolded either you have me mistaken for someone else, or you have a compulsive lying disorder. What I've always told you is that the bible has so many inconsistencies and contradictions which has led to the explosion in different translations, eisegesis and denominations.
So stop misleading people. Your own case is even pathetic because your JW organization has conveniently managed to brainwash you that miracles ended in the bible and no longer practical in reality since they were only for signs and not needed anymore. So I believe you need more help than a clinically diagnosed mental case.
GamalNasser: Stop lying most of the cities where mortality is high have restrictions on the use of chloroquine .. Even Bauchi State behind you here is using chloroquine and till date they have zero death and 100 percent recovery including the governor yet you want to argue .
I can't confirm other countries but I know FDA approved Hydroxylchloroquin for emergency cases. Meaning they must have administered it for the terminal patients. Yet it isn't working. Like I said, it's just common sense. When there is a cure, we will all know because the death tolls would start decreasing in the epicenters.
Maximus69: It's not difficult and there is no need for unnecessary arguments, Jesus asked his followers to go out for preaching and teaching in their neighbourhood, so go out there and start preaching and teaching those in your neighbourhood what you know about Jesus. No wahala!
Is that what you do? Mislead people? Jesus said you should be witnesses of him. Not rumor mongers. Meaning whatever you have not experienced you should not be preaching.
He simply pointed out a flaw in the scriptures and instead of you to acknowledge you don't have the explanation , you just went ahead to prove you're simply preaching what you don;t understand.
If you don't have an answer, keep quiet and learn from others who do.
GamalNasser: One Kobojunkie and his fellow CNN puppets will not like this ,... Chloroquine and Artemisinin have consistently delivered a 99% cure rate and just yesterday an study showed chloroquine could even act as a very reliable prophylaxy by preventing infections in the first place especially for those at the Frontline but yet Satanic agents with an agenda and dull people are waiting for a hurry put together RNA vaccine that will not go through proper trial and is expected to kill 15% of it's users ....is this world not mad so?
Where did you get these statistics from?
Common logic proves your statistics are false. The Covid-19 epicentres have been administering Hydroxychloroquine and Remidisir to their patients yet they still death tolls are increasing in these countries- US, UK, Italy, Spain, etc.
Until the death tolls start decreasing clearly we can't claim there's any cure.
The bible itself is a book of Theology. It is written to explain, unveil and manifest God to man, so you shouldnt be surprised at my theology as we are discussing the scriptures.
The reason my response focused on John was because your first assertion of John the baptist/Jesus portrayed as strangers was premised on John's writing.
John 1:31 - And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest...
That is the central scriptures to our discussion which i have made clear now.
This is same with all the bible writers as i have mentioned earlier, that the verses/passages of the scriptures are summations of events, actions and discussions hence only key elements are written. Also remember as i mentioned that the scriptures has a singular focus and any thing not necessary or add value towards such focus is most times left behind.
Matthew, Mark, Luke all have their style of writing as other writers too. For example if you observe well Gospel of Luke and Book of Acts you will find similarities in literature and style but this is not necessary here. Matthew has its own trademark of using money "talents" etc to explain most parables, this is synonymous to someone with a good knowledge of trade/tax or a tax collector (Matthew was one) in his days.
We can go on and on, but like i said, the focus here is the facts that John baptism is very primary to the scriptures and Jesus and it was mentioned over and over again in the bible (outside the Gospels) for you to know its importance Acts 1:5, Acts 1:22, Acts 10:37, Acts 13:24, Acts 18:25, Acts 19:4, Acts 19:3). So, even if Jesus had ate with John, visited John's house to play scrabble when young or swim together with John growing together, it is of no relevant to the scripture. It can only be relevant if it focuses on Christ redemptive work.
Lol @new one for you.
Firstly, it is abusive to say Apostle Suleiman is ranting, maybe because he expressed his opinion or whatever. I dont know his twitter page nor follow him, but i believe your words on him are out of place.
Secondly, the verses you quoted arent saying anything contradictory, infact it is two statements that fully explain how to handle foolishness.
No contradiction at all.
You're a good bible scholar. You know how to explain scriptures I give you that. But my simple sissue with you is you are not honest in defending the errors in the bible.
I mean for you not to even still defend the glaring contradiction in Proverbs 26:4-5 shows it's pointless.
And it's not entirely your fault. You're simply being religious. The same way a Muslim or a Hindu would be. The thought of there being an error in the "divinely inspired words of God" is unfathomable and unacceptable to you especially having placed your faith and hinged your life on it. So I understand.
At least unlike a Muslim, you're not trying to kill me for pointing out the contradictions and inconsistencies in the holy book. Hallelujah!
hupernikao: Glad you attended to that. It quite showed your honesty towards the discussion. I hope we can now put this to rest.
Above All desires, I wish Christ Light to you.
Good. You showed why John may not have mentioned their relationship. Now explain why Matthew, Mark and Luke didn't? Is it their style as well?
Theology can't explain this away.
Biblical inconsistencies and contradictions cannot be theologised.
I have a new one for you courtesy of Apostle Suleiman twitter rant today; Two contradicting verses right after each other, maybe you can help unravel this mystery too.
Proverbs 26:4-5 4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
First it says don't answer fools, then it says answer fools By the way, those who choose to answer quote verse 5, those who don't want to answer quote verse 4. Very convenient.
FacelessKing: The government just successfully used Kemi to check up on Mazi's health and possibly, his Location.
Understanding power and political moves, dont be surprised they gave Kemi the Abba Kyari news so she could use that to build a good reputation that could force Mazi to come out for the sake of clearing the air.
This my brain is too much for me!!
Exactly. You're overworking your tiny brain. Please donate it to Endangered Species Lab before it explodes and becomes totally useless..
And this information is relevant to this post how? Islam is the fastest growing religion in UK. Is that not an irony? They gave Africa Christianity but now defecting to atheism and Islam. Religion is a joke.
In a couple years, max decades, Africans might also realise what religion is.
But this thread is about freedom of belief. The same way you're allowed to be a Christian, let others have the freedom to choose their own beliefs. Man made religion, not God.
hupernikao: I am quite sorry, i dont have discussions like this. I believe discussions must be purposeful and definite. The issue at hand has not be cleared, you have refused to attend to or prove your claim and allegations from the scriptures. That is what is key not not any other question.
Kindly provide your explanation and not get distracted with other claims or better still you can withdraw such claim without having to defend it.
I thought that was settled? It's glaring to see that there no familiarity between Jesus and John the Baptist as adults as the bible portrayed them as strangers even though Luke mentioned that their mothers were relatives.
It's rather unfounded in the scriptures to try to prove what you yourself have said was not included as it was not important as the bible only focuses on Christ and not his relationship with John the baptist right?
But since you insist, here's an example.
When a dispute arose between the disciples of Jesus and John. Don't you think this would have been a point to introduce John as a relative of Jesus? As you and i both know, the bible is usually very detailed when it comes to matters of genealogy and family ties. But rather he was introduced as "He who was with you beynd the Jordan..." John like wise referring to him as just someone he barely knew.
John 3:25-30 "Then there arose a dispute between some of John’s disciples and the Jews about purification. And they came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified—behold, He is baptizing, and all are coming to Him!”
John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’ He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease."
ValCon888: These animals were the real bad guys back in the day. Man was just a tasty snack like bush rat and life was like living in a nightmare.
Back then, a 40yr old man was considered a very old man because the mortality rate was so high.
If not for the Chicxulub Event, human beings (Homo Sapiens) would not be the Apex predator that they are today.
100 million years ago? He even has pictures?? Smh for some scientists. Let's focus on the things we can know biko. Like how far are we in the cure or vaccine for covid-19?
hupernikao: Strawman method, always speaking of religion as cover to avoid proper discussion.
I am wondering the relevant of all your wrote to this discussion. It's always sad when people raise arguments then divert to be addressing another thing afterwards. What has all these you wrote got to do with the fact that you raised an issue in the scriptures and I asked you to defend your claim.
A defendant that decoy to a strawman argument actually had nothing to say. And that's what you are showing already. But I still believe you have something to say So, lay your claim and defend. That isn't so hard if you are truly sure of what you are saying.
All I asked you is to go in context and explain your assertion based on the context. Or context isnt KING again in literature? But just the fact that all you claimed as contradiction are based on lifting verses out of its original context to satisfied your pursuit, it has become a tough task for you to defend.
I will advise you. Always read well and read context very well before you draw opinion on any form of writing not just the scriptures. A man who give his own life and meaning to a text and deprive the text it's own life from its context is either dishonest, ignorant, lazy or dangerous. Most of the time, he is always a dangerous person. But like I said, I know you have your explanation, so give it.
Give your point in context than spending time to divert discussion as we see done most times on this forum. Any thing you know you can't explain from its context or give time to explain out, it is better to avoid it or look away from it.
And on your last paragraph. I am very sorry for you, if that was the experience you had. I have seen people passed through such pains over again. But experience has also shown me that the victims were actually fed with what they sought for, the lies you sought for, the strange desire, success, money and fame you fanned was ignited by the ones you disdained now. Very sad that you were an accomplice in the evil.
But it is also sad if you think everyone have such strange desires or reduce Christianity to materialism and shame. What you experience in those places either directly or indirectly wasn't Christianity but shame and scam that suit your taste.
Because when a scammer meets a greedy heart, the music is always romantic until the morning comes and your eyes are clear. Then you start blaming the whole world. I can't help that.
So, sorry Sir, let's face our main study here. Give me a contextual based explanation of how the bible portrayed John and Jesus as strangers.
Selah.
In few words if you will, what's the difference between Christianity and Islam? What conviction do you have that Christianity is the way and not Islam?
hupernikao: Strawman method, always speaking of religion as cover to avoid proper discussion.
I am wondering the relevant of all your wrote to this discussion. It's always sad when people raise arguments then divert to be addressing another thing afterwards. What has all these you wrote got to do with the fact that you raised an issue in the scriptures and I asked you to defend your claim.
A defendant that decoy to a strawman argument actually had nothing to say. And that's what you are showing already. But I still believe you have something to say So, lay your claim and defend. That isn't so hard if you are truly sure of what you are saying.
All I asked you is to go in context and explain your assertion based on the context. Or context isnt KING again in literature? But just the fact that all you claimed as contradiction are based on lifting verses out of its original context to satisfied your pursuit, it has become a tough task for you to defend.
I will advise you. Always read well and read context very well before you draw opinion on any form of writing not just the scriptures. A man who give his own life and meaning to a text and deprive the text it's own life from its context is either dishonest, ignorant, lazy or dangerous. Most of the time, he is always a dangerous person. But like I said, I know you have your explanation, so give it.
Give your point in context than spending time to divert discussion as we see done most times on this forum. Any thing you know you can't explain from its context or give time to explain out, it is better to avoid it or look away from it.
And on your last paragraph. I am very sorry for you, if that was the experience you had. I have seen people passed through such pains over again. But experience has also shown me that the victims were actually fed with what they sought for, the lies you sought for, the strange desire, success, money and fame you fanned was ignited by the ones you disdained now. Very sad that you were an accomplice in the evil.
But it is also sad if you think everyone have such strange desires or reduce Christianity to materialism and shame. What you experience in those places either directly or indirectly wasn't Christianity but shame and scam that suit your taste.
Because when a scammer meets a greedy heart, the music is always romantic until the morning comes and your eyes are clear. Then you start blaming the whole world. I can't help that.
So, sorry Sir, let's face our main study here. Give me a contextual based explanation of how the bible portrayed John and Jesus as strangers.
Selah.
In few words if you will, what's the difference between Christianity and Islam? What convictio do you have that Christianity is the way and not Islam?
VEXT: Go and preach to the muslim brothers that arrested bala....maybe if we act the same way Muslims do whenever someone criticize their religion, by now people like you,reno,freeze, etinosa would hv been put to death!!!
Christians don't go as far as muslims true but religion breeds hatred and condemning people of other beliefs just the same. Let's no go into the discrimination of atheists offline in the society- at home, at school, at work etc.
Let's just be grateful we are in a more civilised era where religious power is minimised. The evil that has been committed in the name of religion is too gory to even highlight.
If it were possible for muslins to have Mubarak Bala executed without it making the press, he would have been long gone by now. It's amazing how people can be educated and primitive at the same time. Muslims are following the orders of a dead man instructing them to kill anyone who does the exact same thing they did when the left their previous religion to become muslims.
To Christians supporting the treatment of Mubarak Bala just because he's an atheist be rest assured that it's the sane treatment to muslims that convert to Christianity. Execution according to Muhammad in the Quran.
Maximus69: I only presented what my spiritual family (religion) is doing presently and the benefit that adherents are enjoying!
So as an atheist, all you should do now is to present what atheists as a group is doing and how it's benefitting atheists like you.
Our beliefs is our beliefs NOT yours and you're not the one to tell us how we should go about it. Rather you should be concerned about yourself and fellow faithless people like you during this period!
Maximus69: Hmmmmmm how much are the worries of the faithless? Well let me address your quest one by one.
(1)You think we are programmed to trust God's word yet we've formed a global family of peace loving worshipers that all unbelievers can testify to. John 13:34-35;17:20-23
(2)God's word never said anyone is chosen for salvation otherwise there won't be any need to preach or teach! Matthew 28:19-20
(3) Jesus commissioned the preaching and teaching from house to house in the first century, it was halted when the then world power (Rome) establish a counterfeit form of Christianity (Roman Catholic Church) and began using weapons to force people into accepting their own religion instead of the peaceful preaching and teaching technique introduced by Jesus. America declared FREEDOM of speech, expression and worship in the 1800s opening the way for true Christianity to be reformed again and it was in 1919 that Jesus (in spirit) finished preparing his true followers to restart the work that was halted by the Roman empire back then. He promised to assist us until the peace message reaches the most distant part of the earth. 1919~2019~Covid19 is an indication that it's now 100 years Jesus has been organizing his followers preparing them for Paradise!
(4) During the times God enabled his servants to perform miracles, people were dying Sir, so what you supposed to ask for is "the purpose of miraculous works"!
(5)Wow! Wow!! Wow!!! Well my concern is for unbelievers who have stubbornly rejected our proposal to join the global family of peace loving worshipers! Note that before now JWs do ask for cash donations to continue printing our monthly publications that we are distributing globally until suddenly Jehovah said "stop asking for cash donations from them, perhaps there may be some who have interest but can't afford it" Revelations 22:17
That was what shocked all members of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization globally because the question we were asking ourselves is "how are we going to continue printing the monthly publications if we should stop collecting cash donations from subscribers?"
But Jehovah said to us "Now I am about to show you my (loyal servants) the greatest sign that unbelievers can't notice!"
Sir i am telling you that it's been 25 years now that JWs have stopped demanding for cash donations from interested subscribers, yet the publications kept coming!
Even millions of our brothers and sisters here in Africa often shed tears of joy in appreciation when publications like Bibles and many hard copy publications are been distributed to us FREELY!
And to shock you my dear friend, do you know that as i am typing this now JWs are distributing food items to members of the organization globally?
Well the Bible book of Psalms 23:1 is now having it's fulfilment in complete, it says
"JEHOVAH is my SHEPHERD, i will not lack any good thing"
Compare to Psalms 37:25
JEHOVAH said "the person who failed to provide for his household had disown the FAITH and such a person is worse than the faithless" 1Timothy 5:8
It's from the bottom of my heart that i'm telling you this now that Jehovah is keeping to his promises, it's misinformed churchgoers that are in anguish NOT Jehovah's Witnesses! Isaiah 65:13-14
Do you even know why Jehovah asked us to separate ourselves from the unbelievers {2Corinthians 6:17} and gave us another unique group name? Isaiah 65:15
kiwi007: To me o . it is not necessary to go to isolation center to heal covid19 patient . they can pray for them through their live tv and this people will start testing negative. Shebi they use to claim people received healing listening to them on tv ni..... And i read about healing in bible whereby the prophet did not even come near the diseased and they were heal. We still believe in that power of God . so let them try that method[color=#990000][/color]
hupernikao: I am not evading your question. You made an allegations first and I told you it's not true, then ask you to explain it. See your statement below
That is what you said earlier. Then you are in position to explain to me how the bible portray them as strangers. I need you to show that based on context of discussion to support your allegations. So, I am not in a position to prove your allegations. When you have shown from the scriptures your evidence then I can have a say along to answer your questions.
So, all I need from you is a contextual explanations of how you come about John and Jesus being shown in the letters as strangers. At least context should support your claim.
And lastly, scriptures one key facts you must understand is that Bible is not an all purpose book, not for answering all things. It has focus and anything not important to this focus need no documentation as it has no effect on its general message.
The bible is not a book for history even though it contain histories, the bible is not a book for John-Jesus family but a book for salvation through faith in Christ. Of this, any events that add no value towards this purpose is useless. The reason you see John the writer focus was tailored to key info. You can't expect John the writer to be documenting irrelevant relationships or family tie all around the scriptures. Every events of the bible presented some facts to us about its purpose.
What the scriptures reveals is Christ, his sacrifice and man's salvation in it not John's earthly relationship with Jesus. The reason John the writer documented John the baptist story is because of the relevant of his baptism to manifest Christ to Israel. Anything about John the baptist outside his message and practice of baptism is irrelevant to eternal purpose of God.
Even Mary, the mother of Jesus only come into play mainly at his birth because of how relevant that is to God's plan. Every other time she was paraphrased and not major, even Joseph existence was almost not documented after Christ birth, Jesus had siblings, John the baptist etc likely have siblings but not relevant.
So, when you understand the focus and application of the scriptures, the essence and it's purpose you won't treat it as story or history book. And there are things that you won't ask or bother with as they are absolutely irrelevant to the body of God's purpose as inspired by the author.
Good. Your evasion of the question only confirms that you have unwittingly conceded to the fact that there is no verse to corroborate that they were relatives. The scriptures portrayed them to be strangers as adults even though Luke mentioned that their mothers were relatives. The essence of this is of course once again just to expose one of the many inconsistencies and contradictions in the bible.
The bible is a religious book just like the Jewish Torah, the Islamic Quran and every other religious so called sacred book claiming to be handed to man from a deity who then decided not to speak to men again ever since neither performing any of the signs and wonders that it professes in our present day even though many have desperately prayed and tried faithfully to replicate them. Yet you only believe the bible is God's word but the Torah and Quran are not divinely inspired even though they share almost the same stories but from different perspectives.
How these religious books have managed to be relevant over the years is a function of the fearful nature of man. Once you overcome your fear, you will realize that whether there's a God or not, what will be will be.
Believers and unbelievers alike experience what you call God's Favor, Mercy and Grace. Believers and Unbelievers alike sleep and wake up, fall sick and recover, marry and give birth to children, live and die, etc. Believers and unbelievers experience Love, Hate, Joy, Pain, Peace, Worry and every thing- Good or Bad.
People have been experiencing good and bad before the bible was ever written. Nations that do not practice these religions are fairing even better than religious nations. But your pastor wants you to believe that it's your tithes and offerings that attracts God's favor to you. And when you don't pay you attract misfortunes to yourself or worse still you will end up in hell fire. Or that you must wake up by 3am fasting and praying before you can be blessed. Yet they will still quote scriptures that it is not by your works right?
Religion as they say, is truly the opium for the masses.
odinson1: Why do you think Christian leaders who claim to be miracle channels avoid visiting people in critical situations out side the church?
How many times have you heard that oyedepo or tb joshua or adeboye visited an hospital and people got healed and the hospital emptied?
Real life is different from a crusade where everything is conditioned and controlled to fool people and even people are willing to voluntarily claim to be healed just to please the pastor or in hope that they would later get the real healing be claiming it by faith and testifying even though they know they are not healed
Zodiac61: God is in hiding right now. You all wait until the pandemic is over. Then, he will come out of hiding and let you all know that he alone is responsible for bringing it to an end. Not the doctors, nurses, care workers, scientists etc, who sacrified a lot to save us all from the pandemic.
hupernikao: The worst time of deception is self deception. And that's all you wrote up there.
I gave up on Maximus69 when he quoted 1 Corinthians 13:8 as the reason they don't believe in miracles in JW.
"Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away."
This is even beyond eisegesis. Their leaders obviously found a way of making the gullible members believe in the bible while taking away the pressure to perform any of the miracles in it.
One thing anyone who knows JW members for is that though they have knowledge, they have no spiritual essence. They are more of a social organisation like rotary club or APC, etc.
hupernikao: I like logical and well organised arguments. You can't make a conclusion when arguments lack focus or evidence. So let's keep track on response from both sides.
Secondly, I am not "most Christians" and I don't hold brief for anyone, I don't make assumptions either for people. So let your discussion be based on what I discussed and the bible.
Lasty, You were the one who said the scriptures presented John and Jesus as strangers. And I told you that you read that in. If this is not true, kindly show me where the scriptures presented them as strangers and show me from its context that it does.
It's not enough to make claims. Present your claims via bible explanation since you have read it and know it.
I will wait for this explanation based on bible context Sir.
You're beginning to sound like Maximus69. When you cannot defend your point you try to evade the question. It's typical. I asked you to lay this argument to rest simply by quoting a verse that portrays a familiarity between John and Jesus in their adult lives. Once you do that you will get several verses that clearly point that their relationship was more of two strangers rather than relatives.
Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Still Pay Your Tithes And Offerings? by Myer(m): 9:15pm On May 11, 2020
