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jaephoenix:
Oh cool then

The challenge however is, that you may be self-righteous and unless you have a personal encounter you may not believe. Unfortunately, that is the issue with Israelites till date.
And any one who rejects the gospel is already condemned and helll bound.

Was there ever a time you believed?
Were you born into a Christian home?

Bluezy13:
Okay,
Your agreement further follows that for them to be hybrids, some external force must have been responsible for their creation.

I don't agree with God being hybrid though. He's the Creator- uncreated.

jaephoenix:
Nope. I don't believe in your god, or any other supernatural being. I'm my own god. I serve myself.
And yes, I do have peace of mind and joy?
I wonder why you think atheists have no peace of mind. It is known Scandinavian people and Chinese enjoy life better than Africans, especially Nigerians. And a gold percentage of them are atheists

If indeed you have peace of mind and joy outside Christ, then you're fine. The gospel is for the rest of us who are empty without Him.

4KNGOATS:
The main reason why bachelors visit church is to search for a wife not for warship purposes. If na lie make anybody come block me.

No matter what needs bring anyone to church, as long as they encounter Christ, it's fine.
Seek first the kingdom of God and all other needs will be added.

Bluezy13:
Do not forget that the so called aggrieved stakeholder is also believed to be a Creature of God.
And if that is the case, then it is also safe to say that God, man, Satan are all hybrids working together.

Yea. Satan was once Lucifer (an expert judge).
He failed and rebelled against the Creator.
Man became the new project manager. So you can understand the hatred/bitterness/envy/accusation.

PythonTutorials:
It's a weakness because He has no choice than to forgive once we sincerely ask for forgiveness .
Imagine someone who has lived his life committing all kinds of atrocities: killing millions of innocent people for instance. If the person, on his death bed, can sincerely ask for forgiveness, he will still be forgiven

It depends on how you view life and death, and salvation and judgement.

The salvation of that one soul is so precious before God.
All the atrocities were born out of frustration and loss of identity.
All those he murdered, if they were saved, are in a better place- heaven.
If they were unsaved, they deserved to die. This is a hard truth but true, for the wages of sin is death.

If that person dies unsaved they enter into eternal death.
God does not want the eternal death of a sinner but that he would come to his senses and find salvation.

Wealthoptulent:
Na MEDICAL CENTRE for some people ... (mugu)

You're right.
Luke.5.31 - Jesus answered and said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
Luke.5.32 - I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."

Bluezy13:
It doesn't.
This is because in the god-man scenario, God "created" man. It is not possible for a Creature to be a hybrid of the Creator.

If God and man were created by an external force, then it would be safe to say God and man are hybrids working together to pilot life affairs.

Glad you understand.
I'm simoly explaining based on what the scripture says, not my opinion.

God, the Creator and Project/Product Owner decides to embark on the Project of creation.
He created every thing and made Man his Project manager, detailing his Product Backlog/Requirenents.
And Entfusts Man with the Project.

Unfortunately there was an aggrieved statkeholder- Satan was wishing for the failure of the Project. He cunningly convinces/deceived one of the project team (Eve) to go against the Creator's specification and she also convinces the project manager to do the same.

Creator knowing the adverse effect this would have on the Project deliverable decides to respond to the change in the requirement.
The old testament and new testament are basically thr journey of these responses to changes.

I can't go too detailed but I hope you get the idea better now.

Bluezy13:
If God created man out of faith/trust, then God is not omnipotent and doesn't know the future because faith is a function of hope according to Hebrews 11.
If God can cheat God, it follows that God is either not all knowing for being ignorant of being cheated or God is inferior to man for not doing anything to stop man for cheating on him; after all, he "created" man.

If God does not want man to listen to external influence, why then did he create external influence as it is believed that he created all things?

Think of God and man's relationship as a Project using Agile or Hybrid principle. I hope this helps.

Omooba77:
Can a Man Cheat God?

Certainly.
That's what we do any time we sin.

Our relationship with God is strictly fiduciary- based on Trust/Faith.
From the very beginning, God created man out of Faith/Trust that we would Trust and obey Him and not listen to external influence.

God fulfilled his part but guess what? Eve cheated by listening to the Serpent. Then Adam cheated by listening to Eve.

It's still the same every time we sin (disobey God).

PythonTutorials:
Yes, of course.
One weakness God has is that he can forgive you whenever you ask for forgiveness. There are different ways we can exploit this weakness to cheat God.

Is it a weakness or strength?

FreeStuffsNG:
https://saharareporters.com/2023/10/20/my-church-bazaar-business-and-money-making-stay-away-if-you-wont-donate-father-mbaka

I like this man. He doesn't care who ox is gored,
He has spoken well. The intent of Bazaar is harvest. Its a time to spend money.
Although giving should not be by compulsion or manipulation but as always by Choice and cheerful giving. Even a sacrificial gift should be by choice.

He knows some banks and politicians exploit his platform for their selfish interests- business and agenda.

Racoon:
Yes! Criminal are always proud of fellow criminals. There is always a code of honour among criminals but not this kind of senselessness and shamelessness by Lamidi Apapa.

The molish role of this shameless goatee has never been hiden from inception. Even INEC will feel highly embarrassed by this press release.

Labour Party erred from the moment they usurped the authority of this man Apapa from the get-go.
When God places people in places of authority, you just have to recognise their authority.

And one man's answered prayer may be another's unanswered prayer. Life is in Times and Season, it's their time, let them rule.
How you conduct yourself during another person leadership will most times determine how others will conduct themselves under your leadership, if you don't ruin your chance to rule.

That said, every thing is a lesson. Life na turn by turn.
Leys pray Nigeria prospers regardless of who is qt the helms of affairs and let's make our contribution to also partake in our collective Prosperity.

God bless Nigeria and God bless us Nigerians.
God bless the President and this administration in Jesus name. Amen

paxonel:
In 2018 before the outbreak of covid 19 , i noticed that Nigerians were too religious, so i set up this thread saying that nothing last forever.

https://www.nairaland.com/4914481/church-going-tithing-necessary#74007289

Our religious nature has not taken us to anywhere better.

As a matter of fact, there are no statistical indices to show that those who are more prayerful or engaged in spiritual battle of fire die by fire prayer intensivity for many years, or those who were more church active, or more babalawo or juju practicing, or more Islamic mosque conscious, are the most wealthiest or happiest Nigerians among the Nigerian population

I just read your thread. It was prophetic. More Grace to you and us all.

paxonel:
now lets use our brain and reason this thing, because
unknown to us, church going in the first place (which is part of all the activities done in churches including tithing) ALL INCLUSIVE, are never ways to worship God anymore talkless of tithing.

We are not saying that church going was abolished, we are saying it is never a way to worship God.

And God who is a spirit is more interested in your worship over physical activities in church buildings.

Today, we worship God in spirit and in truth.

How do we worship God in spirit and in truth?

By simply believing in Christ and get saved that is all. John 3:16

And when you do that, there are absolutely no need for worshipping in buildings called church anymore because these buildings and their pastors and their activities(which include tithing) will all collapse someday, mark my word.
Nothing last on this earth forever.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem(temple or church building at jerusalem), worship the Father.

THAT HOUR HAS COME, THE HOUR IS RIGHT NOW AS WE ARE TALKING, SO YOU PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING SENSELESS FIGHT SUPPORTING TITHING BECAUSE WHAT WILL BE WILL SURELY BE, YOU CANT STOP JESUS CHRIST, HE HAS SAID IT AND IT WILL SURELY COME TO PASS.

So you see now, your pastors today are scamming you people big time

Oyedepo, adeboye, kumuyi, Lazarus, all of them.

However, the need to always gather as christians is nothing more than learning the scriptures together and to encourage one another in the faith, anything more than that is a scam.

This is apt. And interestingly prophetic.
More Grace to you qnd us all.

paxonel:
You know, I have always encourage people to go to church so that they will understand the bible and their religion Christianity.
But unfortunately, church has failed in their responsibility to teach people the truth, thereby also exploiting ignorant church members to make wealth for themselves over the years.
So, I have also encouraged people to stop going the moment they notice exploitation.

But it was as if people felt that if they don't go to church regularly, their world will collapse rhereby giving the ecploiters the edge.

Now, since the on-set of the covid meltdown in 2019 till now, the economy has turn sore and biting harder.
Through adaptivity, most people have realized that if they don't go to church, nothing will happen, heaven will not break loose.

Now, the exploiters are becoming broke.
To continue managing their private jets and their exorbitant lifestyles are becoming more prayerful.

The lesson is, nothing last forever except God

Yea, a lot of people were religious. It exposed the difference between religion and worship.
Covid delivered the church from being religious and worshipping out of fear.

1. It helped us really understand the difference between the church as a Building and the church as a People.
2. Some of tbose who had idolised the building have been delivered. Some haven't.
3. Some of those who idolised pastors were delivered from pastor and prophet worship. Some pastors didn't handle/conduct themselves properly while some did.
4. Some of those who idolised tithes were delivered from tithes worship. They realised all the curses didn't fall on them when they didn't pay tithes. In fact some churches advised their members not to pay tithes and take care of their families. While some churches made sure they enforced tithes paymel even if it meant exposing their members to the Covid. I choose not to mention names.
5. It showed the Power /Authority of the government over the church. Romans 13
7. It exposed churches that did not fear nor respect the government. Even though Jesus Christ respected the government and obeyed the laws as long as it didn't not cause him to sin. Not going to mention names either.
8. It helped so many churches who condemned online churches or were reluctant, to finally have no choice but explore and invest in online church and social media opportunities. This expanded the reach of the church. And some churches are the better for it today.
9. It helped some families who were not having family fellowship to develop the habit of praying and studying the bible together.

I believe in every disappoint, there's a blessing if we really pay attention and pray for God's counsel.

And you're right a lot of churches hac failed in their purpose and divested in competition among themselves. Churches were increasing while godliness was conversely reducing. In fact, sin was ironically multiplying. It was as if as Grace abounded, sin abounded much more. Clearly Nigerians had continued in sin as Paul feared and asked, shall we continue in sin that Grace may abound? God forbid!

Nigeria was boasting of the biggest churches in Africa and even the world yet among the most corrupt in the world. It made no sense.
But through it all, God was also building his church.
There were churches that remained true and didn't compromise.

All this was prophesied in thebbible. We are in the last days and the bible warned us that there will be many false teachers, false prophets and false doctrines.
The Bible also warned of the Great falling away (Apostasy) as many will be lovers of self, rebellious, etc.
The Bible also teaches that there will be a new church.
The Bible also said a lot of hints about the last days that have happened, for as many understand eschatology. There are things that happened and that are happening that I am not sure if I'm at liberty to share yet.

Why I started going to church again- Because I needed God's help.

I backslided towards the tail end of 2019. I was a foundation class teacher and among the youth coordinators in my church. I was learning about Grace and Law. I wanted to know the significant differences between the old testament snf the new testament. I guess God realised I needed beyond a scriptural understand,ing as a teacher I would need a practical experiential understanding.

I waited patiently and prqyerfully for more understsnding and I only wrote down whatever was revealed. I did not teach any thing I had not validated.
Then suddenly, I began to experience spiritual drought. I felt as if the Holy Spirit had left me. I who had anchored by life on the Holy Spirit found myself suddenly empty- prayer became a struggle, other activities became a trughle and to make matters worse, the bible began to contradict itself more especially concerning Faith and Works.
The study/thread is here under my pseudonym pressplay411.

Long story short, I felt ashamed and knew if I continued teaching it the foundation class, I might lewd many to error. Luckily my job took me travelling around that period, so I used that as an excuse snd stop coming to church. I prayed and waited patiently for God to restore the Holy Spirit.
Though now I know better than He never left me.
It also didn't help that I started comparing myself with others and felt my faithfulness and seeds were not yielding results as taught.
While I was busy serving God, my colleagues and mates were being materially blessed. I started to feel cheated.
So when I left, it was simolyba matter of time before I went back to my old ways and sins. Actually I got worse. My backsliding lasted 3 years. I guess I enjoyed the first half while the other half were the most miserable years of my life. I got depressed cos nothing was working for me. Got in bad relationships, lost money to ponzi schemes, career wise things seemed to get better but I just didn't have jot. I was depressed.

My the end of 2022 I was already battling with liver problems, due to my alcohol addiction.
I was running broke due to my reckless lifestyle. I was clubbing and dating serially and just doing every thing I had preached against.
I tried going back to church but I would actually have to be tipsy to even go to church. I went to various churches but never could settle down.
I even went to MFM for deliverance. Got back after 3 days fast and prayers only to end get worse after 2 or 3 days.

Until I ran into a neighbor on the street and he invited me to join him for midweek study. For some reason I obliged him. And it was a very small church. The pastor was preaching about Open Doors, things we do that open us up to demonic attacks.
He also picked interest in me during the service and after and genuinely listened to my questions and gave answers patiently. He also followed up and some how I I had hope of salvation again. Interestingly I would later find out the name of the church is Foursquare- Hope Sanctuary.

I eventually redecorated my life to Christ at the Cross-over service and my life has never been the same ever since. He preaches the Undiluted Word of God, without a care whose ax is gored. I would later confirm that the pastor is actually a deliverance pastor (as some call them) when He invited me for a vigil where God granfed him Grace to cast out demons from 3 teenagers.

So it's safe to say that God had cast out demons out of me too.
So yes, I started going back to church because life outside was crises for me. And in Him I found my Help, Healing, Salvation and the Faith that Overcomes the world. He took me from my broken state and is remoulding me to his delight and pleasure.
I do not yet know what He is making out of me, but this Much I know- He has in the space of 10 months re-ordered my life and made me useful for Him in every sphere od my life, even on NL.

When I read the story of the Prodigal Son or watch the drama, I well up with tears because that was me.
I had to fall from Grace to understand all I had and will ever need is God's Grace and Mercy.
So when I go to church now, it is not a religious chore for me- I go to meet fellow saints to know and to do God's will, worshipping in Spirit and Truth.

Onyiiobi7735:
Thanks bro.You have so many golden points in your comment, and am grateful for that.

Thanks. It wasn't always so. Thank God for Grace and good churches.

2mercy:
https://dailytrust.com/presidents-shouldnt-appoint-inec-chairman-jega/

Such a wise great man. Nigeria is so blessed.
I will gladly vote this man for president if he vies for the position.
His conduct and wisdom in handling and diffusing Orubebe's show of shame still resounds in my mind till date.

I totally agree with all he has said. And hopefully the necessary bodies will take this into consideration against the next election season.

jaephoenix:
Lol. Yet Yahweh continues blessing atheistic countries who rebel against him and worship money, but ignore Nigeria which still have some christians like you that worship him.
Jokes on you, buddy

Do you believe in God?
If Yes, what do you think is the gospel?
If No, do you have peace of mind and joy?

Onyiiobi7735:
I don't believe in going to church to make Heaven. What matters most is your personal relationship with your Maker and obeying His Commandments. If you must go,be discerning and watchful, because these days are perilous and false prophets and teachers outnumber the genuine ones at a ratio of 90% against 10%.
I go to church to hear the Word and compare the sermon of the pastor with the Bible,to see if they match.
Many so called men of God are adding to the Bible, removing from it, and manufacturing their own doctrines, misinterpreting the Scriptures.
That's why the Judgement of God must begin from the Church.
Moreover going to church doesn't necessarily make one a candidate for Heaven. Oftentimes the human incarnations of demons are seen regularly in churches. Walking embodiment of sexual immorality are found plentiful inside the church in various departments.

You've spoken well and thanks for sharing.

1 Tim 6:3-6
3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the [a]doctrine which accords with godliness, 4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, 5 useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.
From such withdraw yourself.
6 Now godliness with contentment is great gain.

However we shouldn't throw away the baby with the bath water. It's important to belong to a family/church where you're growing (spiritually et al)) and as well actively participating in the church growth (spiritually et al).

Hebrew 10:24-25
And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

Interestingly we will never find a perfect church. I've come to find that some of the challenges we encounter in church are blessings in disguise to deliver us from pride or selfishness or anger or laziness or shyness or stinginess, etc But it's better to be in a church that is helping you grow more and not vice versa.
Church should make us grow in the Gifts and Fruit of the Spirit for good works.

Revelations 2 and 3 describes the various types of churches. I believe the church of Philadelphia seems to be the most praised. You can use the description of the churches to vet yours and know if there's a need to fleave or stay for your spiritual and material growth/edification/Prosperity.

3John.1.2 - Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers.

hammerFC:
NOBODY WILL LEARN ANYTHING.


AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS SOON AS THEY COMPLETE AND JAIL HIM, WE FORGET ABOUT IT.


ANOTHER ONE GO STILL HAPPEN, BECAUSE THE DEVIL IS THE RULER OF THIS WORLD.

ONLY THING YOU GO PRAY BE SAY, MAKE E NO REACH YOUR DOOR STEP.

Those rhat will learn will, those that won't learn won't.
It is by prayer and watching.

When we pray, we should also play our part scripturally and do the necessary work.

NOwazobia:
When you listen to the whole story, you should come back and repeat these statements.

Noted. Haven't followed the story.

NOwazobia:
That is if she even attempted parenting at all, she wouldn't have been in this mess.

It's difficult to judge this matter.
Clearly some thing went wrong some where.
Mother and daughter have their parts of the blame but more importantly I hope many parents and girls/ladies learn from this story.

Kayzz34:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ysYX_K7d1U?si=2YmH3yq6XoSOx0B8

Cordellia Okonye, the mother of Augusta Osedion, has given details of how her daughter's killer was nabbed.

Benjamin Best Nnanyereugo, better known as Killaboi, was nabbed in the early hours of today, Oct. 21, in Sierra Leon.

She explained that after Killaboi murdered Augusta, he left her to rot then he took her phone and fled.

She disclosed that he killed Augusta on July 13th and by July 28, two weeks after, he already had a Sierra Leon passport.

Parenting is not easy o.
God please heal and comfort her.

FreeStuffsNG:
It's all stated in the law. The law is in public domain. I am aware it exists and comply with it. Even before its take off, there were enlightenment programs on it on Radio Lagos 107.5 Fm and LTV Dstv 256 .

Some people just want to break the law and get away with it. They must go read it and comply. It was even stricter during BRF's tenure than now sef so there is no excuse.

Ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law o

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I believe there needs to be more sensitization on this.

God1000:
over-commercialization of our churches and the teachings of prosperity.

My thoughts exactly.
The prosperity/money gospel has actually chased so many believers from the church.
But don't you think it's better to find the church that preaches the true gospel rather than stop going to church altogether?

God1000:
Well, I hardly go to church these days, though I'm a good person to the core, I also obey God's commandments

Interesting. Why did you stop going?

On the previous thread we considered why so many have stopped going to church and thanks for the contributions.

For those who shared their experiences and also to those who encouraged them in love and good counsel, you're blessed in Jesus name.

As recommended on the thread, for those who are still going to church, kindly share your experience;

-Why ryou still go to church despite life's challenges?
-For those who stopped for some time, why did you return to church?;

Thanks.

chiiraq802:
I need igbo and shayo (shayo).

Trees is the healing of a nation, alcohol is
the destruction. When you smoke the
Tree, it reveals you to yourself.

Substances- cig, weed, drugs, alcohol are all enhancers. The perform the same function- they make you depend on them to feel good.

They are a knock-off of the original.

The absence of the Spirit of God in a man makes him/her dependent on other spirits.

If and when one finds favor before God to encounter Jesus Christ, and are baptised in with Holyspirit and fire every other spirit/demon is cast away.

You experience Peace and Joy inexplicable and inexpressible. It is the heritage of true followers of Christ who worship the Father in Spirit and Truth.

I pray as many as are under the various bondages of demonic spirits and seek help, heavenly Father show them your mercy Lord. It is your Will that they may be set free. It is Your Will that they are delivered from sin, death, curses and the works of Satan. It is your Will that they are translated into your Everlasting Light and eternal Life, useful for your good works.
In the Mighty and Matchless name of Jesus Christ.
Amen and Amen.

msquarewld:
How about (old testament)? Abi na Muslim get am?
And you have not answered my question, please explain to me how unknown gun men and ipob are freedom fighters and Hamas is a terrorist organization.
You said Christianity does not preach self defence, the war isreal, USA, France and others have been waging, please where did the doctrine come from.
I repeat, everyone is a terrorist, it just depends on who is commiting the act.
In the Russian and Ukraine war, the media labeled Russia as "the Aggressor". Trust me if Russia was to be an Islamic Country, the title will be different.
As for waiting for the khalifa that will convert the world to Muslim, don't bother waiting because you'll never see. I will say this to you for the last time because I won't reply you again. Why? I have seen through you already.
I read through everything you wrote up there and non of them actually relate to the teaching of Islam. So you are either ignorant of Islam and blindly consume anything you read about them from God knows where, or you're deliberately spreading falsehood due to hatred. Please desist. Shalom!!!

1. Old testament is prt of the journey that led to Christianity. Old testament is more od Judaism, while new testament is more of Christianity.

IPOB and unknown gunmen are the same. They are not a religious movement but q tribe (Igbos) who qre fighting for the freedom of their people from under Nigerian government. They wish to establish their own state/nation/country, Biafra.
True Chrstians will not join the IPOB violence and rebellion. They will rather pray for God to intervenen and join Nigerian government to bring peace and development not only to the East but Nigeria as a whole. If it's God's will for Biafra to succeed then it eventually will be established through diplomacy and not violence.

BokoHaram on he other hand is a religious movement against Civilisation/Education. They fight against any thing that educates their people. Because they believe educated Muslims who study and understand the Quran and other Faiths rend to question Islam and probably convert to Chrstianity.
I perceive they are sponsored by political leaders to keep the uneducated Al majiris uneducated so that they can continue to be tools for their religious and political bigotry.

Bottom line is religion is usually not the problem if it is left a matter of free will.
Christian extremists who do not study the bible and understand Christ can ender becoming terrorists.
Muslim extremists who like wise do not study the Quran and understand Yisa and Mohammed may like wise become extremists.
Jewish extremists who like wise do not understand the Promise of God in the Torah for the Seed of the Woman/Eve that will crush the head of the serpent and the Seed of Abraham through whom all nations will be blessed (spirituually) may like wise become extremists such ad Saul of Tarsus, before he came to understanding through divine encounter.

I hope this helps.

msquarewld:
Oga, the only reason Islam is exposed to terrorism is because when a Muslim killed he is terrorist but when a Christian killed, he is a gun man. Please, care to explain to us how unknown gun men and ipob are freedom fighters and Hamas are terrorist?
In a nutshell, purge yourself of this media construct and you'll really see the truth.

Christianity (New testament) does not preach terrorism. It does not even preach self defense.
But not all professing to be Christians are Christians.
A Christian is one who preached and practises what Jesus Christ preaches and how He lived.
Conversion to Christianity is your free will. Every believer is however mandated to preach the gospel in order that others may be saved and not perish both on earth and In Heaven.
Christians are waiting for the return of the Messiah, Jesus Christ to both judge and save the world.

Islam on the other hand, condones murder in self defense and to execution of apostates who decide to leave Islam for other religion which was why Hauwa Liman was mjrdered. It also preaches enslaving those who fail to convert to Islam who they call infidels which was why Leah Sharibu has been enslaved and not executed. For this It reason it condones terrorism.
Muslims are waiting for a Khalifa who will forcefully convert the world to Muslims.