oaroloye: MISHIGAS! TO CALL ME "INFANTILE" AND "FOETAL" IS TO CALL GOD AND LORD YESHUA "INFANTILE" AND "FOETAL."
Which is what you have been doing this whole time.
You say that you know better than God.
You have not shown us any better Way.
The worst type of fool is the confident fool. I didnt know my interlocutor was even worse, a mad man. You're so wrapped up in your own world you only make sense to yourself.
I'm sorry Mr Almighty oaroloye. Your case is indeed different.
Anyway, you're obviously a very stubborn god. Ordinary to keep your replies short is too hard for you clearly you're nothing like God. Gensisus 18:14, Jer 32:27
Sorry I couldnt bear the pain of reading all of your post. Just your first and last paragraphs.
Cos my time is quite precious to me. And what I expose my mind to is quite sacred to me. When you're ready and mature enough to have thought-provoking intellectually conversation about the bible and God without sounding like an extremist who could blow up the whole of NL for allowing anyone question you God, then we can discuss.
If you're going to answer a question, isn't it christian to answer politely and with love?
I took the pain to read your reply but quick advice when it comes to social media "shoki lobe oge." Loosly translated to mean Less is more. Oos the ability to keep your points terse and pithy is the true hallmark of the witty.
I will as usual try to ignore the invective and curses. But I must not fail to educate you that such unfortunately defines you as both infantile in intellect and foetal in biblical matters.
You can always marshal your points/arguments intelligently and educatively without and it would have gained both respect and credence.
So whenever you're ready for mature discourse, take your time to express yourself appropriately. Tll then I bid you farewell.
ONE OF THE DISGUSTING ASPECTS OF ATHEISM IS THEIR DESPERATE NEED TO PRETEND TO KNOW THINGS THAT THEY DO NOT.
I strongly doubt that there is a single worship song in the History of Christian Worship Songs that says "GOD NEVER MAKES MISTAKES!" or words to that effect.
The reason being that IT IS CONTRARY TO THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ORGANIZED CHRISTIANITY to talk like that. They have enough problems trying to control their unruly youth, than to challenge their intelligence with an insult to it this blatant. If it were explicitly stated that "GOD NEVER MAKES MISTAKES!" that would foment the opposite of what Clergy try to prevent.
But I find it highly annoying that the OP should have to pretend to know something that he cannot possibly know anything about.
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF, OP- MANY OF US ARE NOT DELUSIONAL!
If you can see that God made mistakes, that just means that something is wrong with your ability to perceive. Only fools take the stance that GOD: THE CREATOR is in the wrong.
I read of a Nigerian Court Case where the Judge sentenced a Youth- if I recall correctly- to A WEEK in prison, for saying "YEAH" to him, instead of "YES!" If an Earthly Authority can demand such respect, how much more should GOD: THE CREATOR, Who can wipe us from EXISTENCE, be feared and respected?
[color=silver].[/color] LEVITICUS 24:10-16.
10. And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the Children of Israel: and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel strove together in the camp; 11. And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed The Name of The Lord, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: [and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan:] 12. And they put him in ward, that the mind of The LORD might be shewed them. 13. And The LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
14. "Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the Congregation stone him. 15. "And thou shalt speak unto the Children of Israel, saying,
'WHOSOEVER CURSETH HIS GOD SHALL BEAR HIS SIN. 16. 'AND HE THAT BLASPHEMETH THE NAME OF THE LORD, HE SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH, AND ALL THE CONGREGATION SHALL CERTAINLY STONE HIM: AS WELL THE STRANGER, AS HE THAT IS BORN IN THE LAND, WHEN HE BLASPHEMETH THE NAME OF THE LORD, SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH.' "
It was the DUTY of your PARENTS to TEACH YOU PROPER RESPECT for God and His Ways.
If they did not teach you, YOU GET NO CONSIDERATION: if you (*Bleep!*) Up, you are mere GARBAGE- and you shall be treated accordingly.
AS A MATTER OF FACT HE DID- ATHEISTS ARE NOTORIOUS FOR PRETENDING THAT THEIR IGNORANCE IS TRUTH: IF THEY NEVER SAW IT, THEN IT DOESN'T EXIST!
Hubris.
[color=silver].[/color] ISAIAH 55:6-11.
6. Seek ye The LORD while He may be found, call ye upon Him while he is near: 7. Let the Wicked forsake his Way, and the Unrighteous man his Thoughts: and let him return unto The LORD, and He will have Mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon.
8. "FOR MY THOUGHTS ARE NOT YOUR THOUGHTS, NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS MY WAYS,"
Saith The LORD.
9. "FOR AS THE HEAVENS ARE HIGHER THAN THE EARTH, SO ARE MY WAYS HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS, AND MY THOUGHTS THAN YOUR THOUGHTS. 10. "FOR AS THE RAIN COMETH DOWN, AND THE SNOW FROM HEAVEN, AND RETURNETH NOT THITHER, BUT WATERETH THE EARTH, AND MAKETH IT BRING FORTH AND BUD, THAT IT MAY GIVE SEED TO THE SOWER, AND BREAD TO THE EATER: 11. "SO SHALL MY WORD BE THAT GOETH FORTH OUT OF MY MOUTH: IT SHALL NOT RETURN UNTO ME VOID, BUT IT SHALL ACCOMPLISH THAT WHICH I PLEASE, AND IT SHALL PROSPER IN THE THING WHERETO I SENT IT."
ERROR is The Way of The Wicked- since God declares Himself to be above that sort of Thinking, and those Ways of Behaving, He therefore says that He is above MAKING MISTAKES.
MOTIVATIONAL PASTORS DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE: PROPHETS DID.
Before anything is ascribed or attributed to God, an impeccable source must be established to be an authority.
I DO NOT NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE ON GOD TO DENY ITS VALIDITY.
From The get-go, whatever your kind say is going to be nothing but lies.
(1) ATHEISTS ARE SO MENTALLY-INSECURE, THAT THEY HAVE TO ASCRIBE FALSE ATTRIBUTES TO GOD IN ORDER TO BLASPHEME HIM.
God has never claimed to be OMNIPOTENT, OMNIPRESENT, nor OMNISCIENT.
No part of The Bible has ever shown Him to be such.
[color=silver].[/color] GENESIS 3:8-13.
8. And they heard The Voice of The LORD God walking in the Garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from The Presence of The LORD God amongst the trees of the Garden. 9. And The LORD God called unto Adam, and Said unto him,
" Where art thou?"
10. And he said,
"I heard Thy Voice in the Garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself."
11. And He Said,
"Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the Tree, whereof I Commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?"
12. And the Man said,
"The Woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.”
13. And The LORD God Said unto the Woman,
"What is this that thou hast done?"
And the Woman said,
"The Serpent beguiled me, and I did eat."
GOD COULD NOT UNDO THE DAMAGE THAT HAD BEEN DONE- THEREFORE HE WAS NOT OMNIPOTENT.
HE CAME FROM SOMEWHERE TO WALK IN THE GARDEN- THEREFORE HE WAS NOT OMNIPRESENT.
GOD DID NOT FORSEE WHAT HAD HAPPENED, AND HAD TO ASK QUESTIONS TO FIND OUT- THEREFORE, HE WAS NOT OMNISCIENT.
By WHOSE Authority did you make up these bogus Attributes for God?
It cannot be, but some Evil Oyinbo taught you these Blasphemies.
(2) A PROPERLY-RAISED Y'SRAELITE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TAUGHT THE SEVEN LEVELS OF WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING OVER SEVEN YEARS, FROM 13 THROUGH 20: ONLY LORD YESHUA ACHIEVED THIS PERFECTLY
That is why HE is THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE. We have to follow HIM, and do as HE said and did.
He did not accuse God of making mistakes- so why are you?
(3) GOD IS WISE: BUT YOU ARE STUPID!
ADAM did not need THE TREE OF LIFE, until after they had eaten the fruit of THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.
God entrusted The Garden to Adam, and expected them to choose Wisdom: they did not.
Only after having proven themselves to be unworthy did they have to be deprived of Everlasting Life.
God did not anticipate betrayal; His Nature was to trust and verify.
That was no mistake.
(4) NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE IS LUCIFER: THE KING OF BABYLON DESCRIBED AS ANY SORT OF ANGEL, LET ALONE AN ARCHANGEL, HE IS NOWHERE LINKED TO SATAN.
Look at the rubbish you ascribe to LUCIFER/SATAN! LED GOD'S WORSHIP!
LED GOD'S ARMY!
How could God have an Army to lead, when there was no one to fight?
[ATHEISTS ARE SO MENTALLY-INSECURE, THEY HAVE TO MAKE UP STUPIDITIES TO ACCUSE GOD OF![/b]
(5) GOD CREATED MAN FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE- ALONG THE WAY, GOD SAW THINGS HE DID NOT LIKE TO SEE.
Out of the whole Earth's Population, He found eight acceptable Humans, with the rest disposable.
Where was God's "Mistake?"
Atheists are so stupid, they will even say that saving THEIR Ancestors was a Mistake.
(6) WHO TOLD YOU THAT MANY WERE SENT TO FULFILL THAT PROMISE? WHO TOLD YOU THAT LORD YESHUA WAS GOD IN HUMAN FORM?
Atheists do not address The Bible, but OYINBO MYTHOLOGY, which they made up to blaspheme and slander God.
[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 5:46.
46. "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me."
THE PROMISE SPECIFICALLY REFERRED TO LORD YESHUA
There was no mistake there.
GOD'S WORD STAYS IN THE EARTH UNTIL IT HAS DONE WHAT HE SENT IT TO DO FOR HIM.
(7) ANOTHER STUPID OYINBO DOG-BITES-HAND-OF-GOD-FEEDING-HIM USELESS THEORY- GOD WANTS TO BE SERVED BY THOSE WHO WILL BE HAPPY TO SERVE HIM LOYALLY!
[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.
19. I call Heaven and Earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you Life and Death, Blessing and Cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE,
That both thou and thy seed may live:
20. That thou mayest love The LORD thy God,
And that thou mayest obey His Voice,
and that thou mayest cleave unto Him:
for He is thy Life, and the Length of thy days:
That thou mayest dwell in the land which The LORD Sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
[color=silver].[/color] 2nd CHRONICLES 16:9.
9. "For The Eyes of The LORD run to and fro throughout the whole Earth, to show Himself strong on behalf of those whose heart is perfect toward Him. Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.”
[color=silver].[/color] AMOS 3:3.
3. "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?"
GOD IS NOT GOING TO ACCEPT POTENTIAL TRAITORS INTO HIS INNER CIRCLES- THEREFORE THE LIKES OF YOU WILL BE DAMNED!
No mistake here!
( THE OYINBOS WHO TAUGHT YOU THESE THEORIES WERE DEFINITELY INSANE! NOAH WAS NOT SELECTED TO ESTABLISH ANY RELIGION- HIS FAMILY WERE THE ONLY ONES IN GOD'S RELIGION!
God selected AVRAHAM AND AS MANY OF HIS OFFSPRING as would abide by His Law.
LORD YESHUA did not establish any new Law or Doctrine whatsoever, but merely enforced what Moses had said before.
THE NEW TESTAMENT was translated from the Ancient Greek Language, which had at least TWELVE different terms, which the Oyinbos deceitfully translated "LOVE."
The ONE TERM IGNORANT UNBELIEVERS LIKE YOU KNOW is EROS- ROMANTIC LOVE-that is the sort of love you think Lord Yeshua taught.
Whereas that is the only one of those twelve that is not used in The New Testament.
YOU KNEW NOTHING ABOUT HOW THOSE OTHER ELEVEN APPLY- YOU THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL THE SAME THING YOU THINK YOU KNOW.
Therefore, you don't know what you are talking about- as usual.
(9) AGAIN, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT- ATHEISTS LIE AND CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF TERMS TO DOMINATE ARGUMENTS- SINCE NO ONE CAN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
[color=silver].[/color] 1st JOHN 3:4.
4. Whosoever committeth Sin transgresseth also The Law: for Sin is the Transgression of The Law.
MOSES TAUGHT THAT JUDGMEMT FOR SIN MUST BE BALANCED- AND DELIBERATE SINNERS CAN NO LONGER BE PART OF Y'SRAEL.
[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 25:13-16.
13. Thou shalt not have in thy bag divers weights, a great and a small. 14. Thou shalt not have in thine house divers measures, a great and a small. 15. (But) thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which The LORD thy God giveth thee. 16. For all that do such things, (and) all that do unrighteously, (are) an abomination unto The LORD thy God.
[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 27:26.
26. Cursed be he that confirmeth not all The Words of This Law to do them.
And all the people shall say,
"AMEN."
[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 7:1-2, 5-6.
"JUDGE not, that ye be not judged. 2. "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 5. "Thou Hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. 6. "Give not that which is Holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again, and rend you."
THEREFORE LORD YESHUA COMMANDED HIS DISCIPLES TO LEAVE THE PROMISED LAND.
(10) WHO TOLD YOU THAT LORD YESHUA WAS SACRIFICED FOR ANYONE'S SINS? HE WAS SENT TO LEAD SINNERS BACK TO GOD.
They were not supposed to murder him!
(11) YOU ARE A FOOL TO CARE WHETHER PEOPLE DISAGREE, AND NOT CARE THAT GOD DISAGREES!!!
You have thus destroyed your ETERNAL DESTINY!
I don't even know where to start from with you.
If you're going to answer a question, isn't it christian to answer politely and with love?
I took the pain to read your reply but quick advice when it comes to social media "shoki lobe oge." Loosly translated to mean Less is more. Oos the ability to keep your points terse and pithy is the true hallmark of the witty.
I will as usual try to ignore the invective and curses. But I must not fail to educate you that such unfortunately defines you as both infantile in intellect and foetal in biblical matters.
You can always marshal your points/arguments intelligently and educatively without and it would have gained both respect and credence.
So whenever you're ready for mature discourse, take your time to express yourself appropriately. At this juncture, till then I bid you farewell.
Janosky: Genesis 1:31 "God saw ALL that He had made and it was VERY GOOD"
Have you figured out Jeremiah 29:11 & Genesis 1:31? Myer, do you agree that God regrets your existence ?
God NEVER did ! Genesis 6:5-7, Yahweh expressed sadness and grief at the wickedness in the heart of man. He has the right to be, just as Parents express sadness whenever a child is stubborn & tests his parents patience & endurance
Did God conclude that Myer is a mistake He made? Myer is telling this public forum that Yahweh's promise of Jeremiah 29:11 is meaningless to him. Kai !!!!!
Romans 15:4 & Matthew 24:13,36-39,the account of the life of Noah is a lesson that Yahweh rewards His faithful servants.
Bros,are you drunk or hallucinating?
Oh faithless man, your claim is NOT true.
" God is NOT a man that He should lie..... Does God speak and then not act? Does He promise and not fulfill? " Numbers 23:19
Youre a practical proof that empty barrels make the loudest noise. Unfortunately even morons have opinions.
You can agree with the verses that say the good things but hate to agree when youre pointed to bible verses that say the bad things God said or did? Evidently you're the fool.
My only error is musjudging you for someone with the brain of a monkey, only to realise you I over estimated your cerebral capacity.
Janosky: I want you to read this verse clearly and pay attention to these points luminously espoused by Yahweh.
#1 @ Genesis 6:6-7, is Yahweh the true God 'Him'? Trinity shege
#2 Genesis 6:5-7 did Yahweh foreknow that " the wickedness of man" will be "great"? Omniscience shege
#3 Is Myer a mistake of Creation? @ Genesis 6:5-7, did God make mistake? No ! Genesis 1:31, Man & Everything Yahweh created "is very good." Myer, is there any mistake in what Yahweh has declared "is very good"? Bros, your food for serious thought
Genesis 6:5-7 5And YHWH sees that the wickedness of man [is] abundant in the earth, and every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [is] only evil every day; 6and YHWH regrets that He has made man in the earth, and He grieves Himself—to His heart. 7And YHWH says, “I wipe away man whom I have created from off the face of the ground, from man to beast, to creeping thing, and to bird of the heavens, for I have regretted that I have made them."
Yahweh is grieved at the wickedness of man and man's wicked heart inclined towards evil. Hébrew lexicon 5162 references several emotions such compassion, grief, remorse etc
Forget about me or my inklings Even in your specially edited JW bible, according to the verses I posted, God himself regretted (repented) that he created Man (Human beings) and beasts (animals) and He decided it was best he destroyed all he had created.
Dows that not mean that as at the end of this verse he concluded that it was a mistake creating human beings?
Of course God being so gracious, decided to spare the family of Noah, not because Noah was perfect but simply because he was relatively more righteous than others and God wanted to see if through him there was still hope of a perfect world.
But alas, Noah himself was found unrighteous hence the reason evil has continued to grow at an exponential rate from generation to generation.
I am not misinterpreting the bible and no amount of meditation can change the fact that God decided to wipe out the whole of mankind and even every beast (animal) on earth. Because he regretted creating man
MaxInDHouse: I didn't want to talk about it since he believes i always talk about Jehovah's Witnesses so i want him to see what his so called Christian friends could make out of the word of God. But one just have to help him see that God's word is to be read with meditation before he can understand it! Proverbs 2:1-5
Forget about me or my inklings According to the verses I posted, God himself regretted (repented) that he created Man (Human beings) and decided it was best he destroyed all he had created.
Does that not mean as at the time of this verse he concluded that it was a mistake creating human beings?
Of course God being so gracious, decided to spare the family of Noah, not because Noah was perfect but simply because he was relatively more righteous than others and God wanted to see if through him there was still hope of a perfect world.
But alas, Noah himself was found unrighteous hence the reason evil has continued to grow at an exponential rate from generation to generation.
I am not misinterpreting the bible and no amount of meditation can change the fact that God decided to wipe out the whole of mankind and even every beast (animal) on earth. Because he regretted creating man.
Janosky: Your 3 gods of man made Trinity can make mistake but the only true God is so very perfect, Numbers 23:19.
What do you make of this verses without allowing your emotion or creed cloud your interpretation.
Genesis 6:5-7 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Especially when your neighbours and family members have ascribed everyone who doesnt go to church to the devil. So to fulfill all righteousness you just do even if its once in a month.lol
Icejayz: In Nigeria, it's the other way round, churches are now business centers
Oyedepo actually visited Atiku to endorse him for the last election. Adeboye obviously biased due to Osinbajo who pastors one of his churches also endorsed Buhari.
Anyway, I dont see this trend ending anytime soon in Nigeria. Money they (our pastors) say is the engine of the gospel.
We've seen it over and over again, so we can agree that betrayal comes naturally with politicians and those people.
The least the pastor should have done is to show some little gratitude to the man who has made him who he is today. And I don't mean Tinubu, I mean God.
He has not defended or propagated the growth and sustainance of Christianity in Nigeria despite being Vice-President.
So if he can put Christ in the back burner of his affairs as VP, then who is Tinubu, the other person whom we can attribute who he is today to?
Who is Tinubu that he should leave his delegated assignments in Abuja and run to visit in London because of mere athritis and Rheumatism.
Who is Tinubu that Osinbanjo should jettison his Presidential ambition for?
Being a great Christian, Osinbanjo knows the story of David and Goliath and how God picked unassuming David instead of his bulky, well-built elder brothers.
If Tinubu and Osinbanjo square up at the polls, the beatings Oleksandr Usyk gave Anthony Johnson will look like a mere rehearsal for what Tinubu will receive.
You of all people should know better. It's not every thing you read online that you should believe. This is apparently a strategy by this unknown party to make themselves relevant.
While I dont endorse a Tinubu presidential ambition,I dont see why Tinubu would avoid Osinbajo.
If truly Osinbajo was unable to get a meeting with Tinubu in London it ust have simply been a case of scheduling issues. As at the time Osinbajo and Adebayo came to London,Tinubu already made other plans. Yes, we may argue that he could have cancelled other plans for them but then again he's a politician,his other plans 0probably more politically significant.
I expected you to know the power of manipulation of the social media.
micronut: Chief Patrick Osagie Eholor aka Ultimate Equal a Canadian Based Nigerian and an indigene of Edo State, who was manhandled and arrested in Lagos yesterday, at the ENDSARS MEMORIAL protest, recounts his ordeal in the hands of the police after he was released yesterday night.
He said, he left Canada where it feels like heaven to pay his solidarity by joining the protest in Lagos, and his experience in detention felt like hell in Nigeria, as the was no food, no way to pee among many discomforts.
Patrick Eholor aka Ultimate Equal has been part of many social protest in Nigeria in the past, which are evident by searching for his name online, where he has always been addressing press and leading certain groups, in what he calls a way to fight for good governance in Nigeria.
Yesterday, a wide call for his immediate release has been made to the Lagos State Police Command.
This is the problem with Nigerians. Most of you are hypocrites.
You are obviously selectively blind to the part where I said we treated ourselves both painfully and expensively. Besides my babe, I never shared the STI to anyone.
But you are probably living with more STIs than a monkey. Cos anyone who has any sense would understand my post and appreciate our swift treatment.
But an ignorant hypocrite who is probably a chronic fornicator yet leading praise and worship in his/her church will obviously miss the point of my post.
bodybuilder: I'm just curious, it seems that's only guys that are cautious of not catching some disease through sex. Most girls won't suggest condom if you don't suggest it first. These girls dey fear me. Most girls aren't scared going raw. E be like say na only guys dey fear am. What could be the reason for this?
Cos condom sex is not as pleasurable. So it's a risk they're more willing to take than guys.
I once confessed to my babe that I might have contracted an STI at a wild night at a friend's Bach eve. Guess what, she did not mind she still insisted on skin to skin.
We both had to treat the STI which was both painful and expensive.
MaxInDHouse: Messiah will be killed and Jerusalem will be destroyed and from then on war will ever continue to ravage Jerusalem! Daniel 9:26
Jesus was killed, Jerusalem was destroyed in the year 66 ce, ever since then Jerusalem has continued to experience wars until now!
He will be counted worthy to die among transgressors, and his sacrificial death will be for the redemption of many souls!Isaiah 53:12 Jesus was executed along with criminals! Matthew 27:38 And he gave his life as a propitiatory sacrifice for the sin of the world! John 3:16
But wars have continued to ravage Jerusalem. Even recently this year.
sonmvayina: Is there anywhere from Genesis to Malachi where it was written that the creator will send his son to come and die for sin of mankind? If you have it point it to me. I will wait. The jews are saying it did not originate from them and have nothing to do with them, the Messiah their God promised them is a human king that is coming to rule in an era of peace.
So where did the authors of the So called new testament get the idea of a dying son of god?
Dont beat about the bush, just answer me and let's see whether dummy is?
Well it was supposedly a mystery so that the devil would not be able to prevent it. 1 Corinthians 2:8
But the closest reference in the OT would be Isaiah 53 emphasis on verse 7.
Your question is very valid though as this is why till date most Jews do not accept Jesus as the Messiah.
sonmvayina: Lol..so funny. God is responsible for both good and evil. Only his will is done. He is in perfect control of all his creation. To think otherwise is an insult. Isaiah 45:7
We have a lot of rubbing of minds to do. You just may be right.
sonmvayina: The devil is a Christian invention. It does not exist in ibo traditional religion or yoruba or Judaism.
Demons, angels are natural laws and principles.. The yorubas calls them orishas...
Well. The devil is in various religions in different names. If God is behind good. The devil is behind evil meaning Esu is the devil in yoruba. Hades is the devil in Greek mythology, etc.
No one can defend God. His word are self sufficient. So what I am doing isn't defence for God but putting things right the way it should be read.
The whole of the Bible is filled with the echos of the Eden story. Life, death, good, evil. So extracting the meaning of eden story using the Gen 2-3 narrative alone will put you in a pit error.
You must ensure your interpretation aligned with
1. what Moses taught all through his books
2. what the prophets taught
3. what Jesus and his apostles taught.
[/I] That alignment must be seen all through to know if you have the right interpretation[/i].
That is the foundation of all good doctrines.
So, what I give as explanation aren't my opinion so far it aligned with the whole story of the Bible in the mouth of all its writers.
A quick check of your own interpretation, will let you know, that your line of thought will fall flat when tested with other Bible narratives, events and practices that has the same resemblance.
God doesn't change, his principles and requirements are the same all through. Hence, if we can't see this resemblance in your explanation, then it's not the true explanation.
So, as a primer,
Basic things you must ask,
What is life? Why did Moses used tree?
Is there a tree ever, that you will see "fruit of life" on it?
How was tree of life used by other authors?
How was fruits used and why?
These are important question to ask before reaching a conclusion.
Bear in mind that, Moses wrote in a time that knowledge is very little and the culture and practice of their world were mostly Agrarian not office workers. Hence when you read most ancient books of their age, you will see usage of fruits, trees, land, sheep, shepherd water etc.
That's must not be lost in your explanation.
In conclusion, you can't read an ancient book with the mindset of a millennia, you must travel back in time to their days to understand the reasons for the language, culture, words and events used in their text. This must be applied to the story of Genesis too.
Riddle me this. If we are to take the story of the Garden of Eden as figurative. Why was its location well described with the various rivers and tributaries?
If we are to take it as figurative what does it mean that God banished Adam and Eve from the Garden and what does it mean that Cherubs were placed to guard man from reentry?
Grandmeister: There's no hypocrisy here so shut da fvck up! We all fvck in our privacy but we don't go about recording it. That is the first telltale sign that the guy saw her as cheap lay. No man records a girl he values during sex!
You're obviously still too young and naive to even be in this conversation.
Let me educate you.
1. She is a celebrity. Meaning she's a target for blackmailers. Why do you think CR7, Neymar even some of your favourites have rape cases hanging over their heads?
2. "No man records a girl he values during sex?" You say. Most times yes, but sometimes you experiment in relationships and there's an excitement and freakiness when you both agree to film your "sexion". Emphasis on mutual agreement. Though this usually doesnt end well after break up.lol
3. It was probably a mistake as she claimed. And got in the hands of a 3rd party.
Until you understand these, you have no business in this conversation.
sonmvayina: Yes it is...personified means to give it human attributes... Man has learnt to tell stories around camp fires. It does not mean the stories are real or actual. They are meant to convey a message. We are expected to learn the message they contain. The letter killeth..
Like I said , God is the universe itself, and we are part of it. Those stories where told and written to educate us on our relationship with the universe and with ourselves and our surroundings...the basic purpose is to live in peace...
Now while I agree with some of points about the stories helping to educate man about the relation with God, I must disagree that not all religions refer to God as the universe. In fact a Christian would find it insulting if you refer to God as the universe.
To you, God might be the universe. But if I may ask, if God is the universe what does that make the devil?
StUriah: After seeing the act as it was being performed by the two entertainers & the repeated mourning of the most popular female Singer in Nigeria i can't get it off my head since it shows how someone like Tiwa that we regarded so much could be so irresponsible. By the way, how does she think her own child, family, close relations & business partners would feel at this moment?
Tiwa really fvcked up gan an ni o!
You left your marriage because your poor husband cheated on you only to be fvcking random boys of lesser age here & there.
Hypocrite. Who made you her judge? Your "sexcapades" go soon cast.
sonmvayina: We are God. We are one seeing ourselves divided, we are 2, 4 ,8........We are all suffering from the illusion of separation.
We are all God's spirit dwelling within a physical body fashioned from the DUST of the earth.. same spirit different bodies having different experiences...
This revelation is all that matters. Even more important is when it is spiritually revealed and properly conceptualized in the mind and manifest in the soul. That is the state of Enlightenment.
Christianity Etc › Re: God Never Makes Mistakes? Some Undeniable Mistakes From The Bible by Myer(op): 10:05pm On Oct 28, 2021
THE OYINBOS WHO TAUGHT YOU THESE THEORIES WERE DEFINITELY INSANE! NOAH WAS NOT SELECTED TO ESTABLISH ANY RELIGION- HIS FAMILY WERE THE ONLY ONES IN GOD'S RELIGION!
