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cutecommend:
If your going to church has not transformed your character in one way or the other, then it is either you are not serious with God or your church is not preaching the truth with power...

The church I am attending presently has helped me conquer lying and taught me to always say the truth. It has also helped me to value integrity and dislike malpractice. God used them to help me.

How has your church helped you in your character?

But Christian's like you preach to non-christians that even if their religion (or lack of) produces good character in them it is still wrong. So why is your yardstick for measuring godliness now good character?

Iseoluwani:
Rccg in all its doctrine is strict Bro. We make sure everything is of biblical standard. Same with deeper.

Don't be an idiot.
Have you forgotten that some RCCG pastors committed suicide just last year because of the religious doctrines of your church?
They would rather die than be put to the ridicule and shame your church doctrines would subject them to. So much for forgiveness while disciplining erring workers in love.

The poster was not on a dick swinging contest with whose church is better or stricter or more perfect.

He was simply letting you know that Deeper life has grown from their earlier doctrines which most people are not aware of.

But rather you just could not resist the foolish urge to prove that your own church RCCG is just "perfect."

thesicilian:
It started with the television which he called "the devil's box" suddenly becoming a "ministry tool".
Now it's limo rides and jets. If you ask they'll say their God is not a poor God. My question is, the poor members who donate their sweat and blood for the ministry to move forward daily, is their God a poor God?

The truth is Christianity is a growth process.

There will be a time in your growth process when God needs to deliver you from greed, materialism and other vices. Doesn't mean Godis against being rich or enjoying the good things he created.

Then there will be a time when God will trust you be able handle those materialistic things because you have learnt the lessons he needed to teach you.
Of course I don't mean it's the same way for everyone.

My guess is he made a doctrine while still in his growth process that has now begun to haunt him now that he has grown and knows better.

Anyway, i salute the God's general.

Rotiix:
The son is protesting against her way of life

Even the holiest pastors children destroy worse.
Don't remain foolish at your old age.

Truvelisback:
Living a perfect christian life is hard but it's possible. To some, the christian life is easy probably because of their wealth, nice cars, beautiful houses etc. Our human needs too makes christianity hard too. e.g our need 4 money, happy marriage, children, happy home, good job etc.

Hardship, poverty, childlessness, marital delay, broken home etc, make it difficult too for one to live a perfect christian life.

In summary, living a perfect christian life as a human (having a flesh and blood) is really hard but it's possible. It's neither easier 4 the rich but it's more harder 4 the poor. My own point of view.

Have you even read your bible?
You'll realise it's supposedly harder for the rich.

This is what Jesus Christ himself said;

it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

This was his reply to a rich Jew who wanted to follow him and inherit eternal life;
Now Jesus also concluded that it is impossible for man but with God it is possible.

badaru911:
Nigeria police... Hmmm... 9ja police... Hmmm.. ... He would soon be among them.. If you can't join them in their biz, don't bother joining them....

You took this right off my thumbs.
I hope he'll still remember to give the god of chosen all the praise when he starts collecting bribes from kidnappers, armed robbers and other law breakers.

Though I hope he'll be able to be the change the NPF desperately needs. But those who did more than him have joined them.

hupernikao:
You are missing my point and seems to mixed it too.

I can't disprove the fact of the evidence of the supernatural power by the spirit of God upon and through all those you listed and even in believers today.

But my point is, the scriptures you used for such reference of power isn't what is being taught in that very scriptures. There are other scriptures who evidently outline God's power working through men, but 1 Cor 2 teaching is not one of them. 1 Cor 2 when read properly and in context is speaking about the preaching of the gospel as God's power to save, and God's wisdom to confound the wise. Read together with chapter 1.


1 Cor 2:13 is pivotal to the chapter.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The teaching by the Holy Ghost through him.


Remember it's a letter and must be read together, he already said earlier in

1 Cor 2:18
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Also in verse 23-24
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ (the preaching of Christ) the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

*color emphasis is mine.

So, the focus of 1 Cor 2:4 is rightly to be interpreted as in the preaching of the gospel we see the demonstration of Spirit power, which is the gospel of faith in men.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;

Now I do not dispute the fact that it was the word of God that he preached. I'm simply letting you know that the word was backed by the Power of the Holyspirit confirming the word in supernatural manifestations viz healings, conversions, speaking in tongues with interpretations, etc.

Does the bible record that Jesus and the Apostles had followers and converts through display of signs and wonders or not?

If it were only for salvation then even the Quran and other holy books have produced salvation/conversion.

hupernikao:
Brother of God. Trust you are good.

On the scriptures you gave above,
Paul referred to the power of God as preaching the gospel, not power as in displaying power. It is the preaching of the gospel, that Paul called power and wisdom of God.

The gospel, when preached has inherent ability (power) to cause change (save) in man, and change him forever. That's power in itself.

Thats the context of all he wrote in 1 Cor 2 when read together.

Copacetic.lol
Trust you're doing great brother.

What distinguished Moses, David, Daniel, Elijah, Jesus, Peter, Paul and the other Apostles?

It was not their words or vastness with scriptures alone but the Presence and Power of the Holyspirit manifesting in and through them which was validated in signs and wonders.

This is not even meant to be debated.

FutureIsFemale:
I stand with Anita on this. Do what makes you happy. Don't let anyone tells you otherwise.

Both posts actually complement each other.

Reno dod not impose his opinion. He simply advised his fans not to subject themselves to unnecessary peer pressure of buying what they do not need. But rather focus on investments which they need.

Anita is also advising her fans who can afford the phone it's ok to buy it if it makes them happy esp if it helps their business.

And on that I stand with both of them.

obonujoker:
Has the devil repented?

Repentance is not a condition for forgive.
According to the bible, before you come before God you must make peace with your brother. Meaning whether or not he repents, find a way to make peace with him. And forgive 70x7 times in a day.

So according to the bible, God does not necessarily need the devil to repent, he can simply forgive and make peace with him.

Otherwise, he cannot expect man to forgive and make peace with everyone.

SuperNova33:
that is from the new testament and the new testament is corrupted already ...

If God is omnipotent it means he created everything that is creatable. Unless you mean God has limit to light. You need to open your mind

Isn't the new testament supposed to be the true gospel? I'm confused.
You trust the translations of the old testament but not the new testament?

SuperNova33:
open your mind ... God created evil as well as good unless you want to tell me evil just appeared? And then God is fighting it? So God and devil are rival which puts them at thethe same level as mates?

Think a little.

How then can you explain this verse?

1 John 1:5
This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

hupernikao:
Okay o, Doctor Workch,

Ekúu trouble. Am not surprise, everyone seems to have a cure to something these days and internet is their theatre and laboratory.

Weldone, Epèlé Sir.

1 Corinthains 2:1-5
When I first came to you, dear brothers and sisters, I didn’t use lofty words and impressive wisdom to tell you God’s secret plan.
For I decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Jesus Christ, the one who was crucified. I came to you in weakness—timid and trembling. And my message and my preaching were very plain.

Rather than using clever and persuasive speeches, I relied only on the power of the Holy Spirit.
I did this so you would trust not in human wisdom but in the power of God.

You know that the bolded has always been our bone of contention.

You are well gifted in the knowledge of Scriptures.
But Moses, Jesus Christ and the Apostles relied upon the Power of God. It was the Power that validates their calling and made God real through them.

So it would be asinine to expect people not to rely on the power of God but only words from the bible.
Cos even the Muslims have words from the Quran that they are also well knowledgable about and they rely on.

It is the Power of God that validates which one is of God and which is not.

Profine:
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Which sins should you not go back into?
Cos everyone continues to commit various sins everyday. Have you read Matthew 5-7?
Sin is vast including sins of the heart and fruits of the flesh.

ProfGday:
Chioma is a good girl,but the rate her body is falling apart is heartbreaking... No disrespect, even Omotola with 4 grownup kids still get hot body pass chioma.

At least she has realised that her only hope is hitting the gym asap.

I don't know her but let's not even listen to the rumours.
Can a good girl be Davido's Baby mama without getting married?

Let's no even mention Peruzzi's issue and others.

Righteousness2:
To be Saved , one needs to make a Concious Decision. It is as Simple as ABC.

A- admit you are a Sinner in Need of a Savior. For all have sinned and Come Short of the Glory of God. Romans 3:23

B- Believe Fully in your Heart that JESUS Christ Died For your Sins, Was, Buried, and GOD raised Him from the dead. John 3:16

C- Call upon the Name of the LORD. Open your Mouth and Call on the Name of JESUS CHRIST. Romans 10:13

If you Conciously do this , you are Born again. You are Saved. You need to begin to Grow yourself in Christ.

Once you are Saved, Old and sinful ways of living becomes past. You begin to live in the newsness of Christ and in obedience to His Word.
Remember to repent from any sin you fall into even after your salvation.

After doing all this and not paying tithes, you can still end up in hell?

NaWeDeyHere:
N100m is chicken change - cannot even buy a 5-bed house in the Lekki corridor.

Lol obviously have never been in the banking industry.
100M can make you a Cabal depending on the bank branch.

Bear in mind that every bank has targets.
Though they might not guarantee the employment but they will surely take your offer so as not to lose such a huge fund.

NaWeDeyHere:
N100m is chicken change - cannot even buy a 5-bed house in the Lekki corridor.

Lol obviously have never been in the banking industry.
100M can make you a Cabal depending on the bank branch.

Bear in mind that every bank has targets.
Though they might not guarantee the employment but they will surely take your offer.

Oluromantic:
There's no how one can't be converted. But if he's faithful enough to call the counseling lines on the screen for new convert so there can be a follow up either in church or in his residence.

Ron kenoly got born again through a gospel on TV and he's still burning for God till now.

This is why I have issues with religious people.

Abraham, Moses,John the Baptist and Jesus were not associated with any church. In fact they were personally trained by God

Apparently you would have condemned them too.

Extramarital affairs have always been an issue.
Which is why Moses spoke against it, Jesus spoke against it.
Mohammed spoke against it and every religion speaks against it.

It only seems more rampant today because of social media. It's more exposed now and we get to hear about it more.

jesusjnr2020:
What Must I Do To Be Saved?

Have you ever asked yourself this question?

If you have, then here's the answer to your question from the One who paid the price for man's salvation.

John 3:16 (KJV)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So Jesus said anyone who believes in Him shall be saved.

But what then does it mean to "believe in Him"?

Here's what it means according to Jesus.

John 8:31 (KJV)

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

So to "believe in Him" means to keep His Word, therefore for anyone to be saved, he must needs keep the Word of God.

That the same thing Jesus told a rich man who asked Him the same question.

Matthew 19:16-17 (KJV)

And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So just as Jesus said to the rich young man, anyone who wants to be saved or to have eternal life must keep God's Word. Anyone who doesn't keep the Word of God cannot be saved because that means the person doesn't believe in Him.

Man lost his eternal life in the beginning by disobedience of God's Word, so to regain it and become saved, man must needs obey God's Word which is Jesus Christ, whom God gave to the world, so that anyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

God bless.

John says it all. This is eternal life, believe in God and his only begotten son and you have eternal life.

Explain then why some pastors say you must pay tithes or go to hell.
Also you must keep the laws or you wont not saved.

Righteousness2:
With the way the world is going, it is Clear that the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse are Jockeying into Position.

This World is about to Explode.
I Admonish all to fly with Speed into the ark of Safety.
I Admonish all to tell whoever does not know JESUS Christ to Jump in with them.

The Signs are Everywhere!
It is gonna be Hell on Earth once the Saints are taken away.
Do the Needful now! The Next Moment is not Guaranteed.

I can only imagine how frustrated your life is for all you dream about to be the end of the world.

If you really believe the world is coming to an end you will act in faith.
People have donated all their properties to the chirch and needy because they truly believed the world was coming to an end for decades and centuries.

Why not emulate such people. You're here making noise about end of the world when you have not done anything to back it up except jump on every post on nairaland propagating evil doctrines that everyone should perish except you q selected few. How selfish.

SportsHD:

Y'all know biden is the hollywood type politician.
Yeah, he practically empowered the Taliban with those weapons they left. You can't tell me that they had no way of getting those guns, choppers and humvees away from afghan.

But for the billboard I smell Donald Trump.

awitness41:
The end of the world is when Jesus comes back.

If you haven't seen Him yet, it isn't the end of the world.

Try this: http://www.worldwarnings.com

It will tell you the only 3 possible years for this to happen, based on Bible Prophecy (and the associated historical events).

The scoffers will scoff, and the arguers will argue.

Let them.

No one can disprove that website or anything on it using un-manipulated Scripture.

In fact, it provides step-by-step Bible Truth to any person willing to accept it.

(A hint: the password to the second document on that website, regarding Christ's Return, is "Truth" (case-sensitive).)

So enjoy... or at least read all of it simply to see what it says. It tells the Truth.

If you were not a Christian who read that in the bible would you believe that?

xproducer:
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No, Matthew 24:44 has not yet been fulfilled, but when it is at the end of the age (which is inevitable) because GOD has declared it - everyone will know then! (The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins - Matthew 25:1-13)

"But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” - Matthew 26:63-64

"For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” - Matthew 16:27-29 (the death here is the "second death" of Revelation 21:8, and not the "sleep" of the first death of the body)

“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together." - Matthew 24:26-28

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Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances
"I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

I honestly won't fault anything you shared here cos that's what the bible teaches.
But one of my questions is that if it was Islam or another religion that held the same view of an unfulfilled prophecy of over 2000 years, would you not have concluded that such a religion was fake?

Dtruthspeaker:
We are not even in the same book not to talk of the same page and of course I am entitled to face you when you speak shiit about us.

You can sell your own products without insulting others.

JW members clearly have their own bible which I believe is the reason their own interpretation and doctrines differ completely from others.

So yes you're, you're both not on the same book not to mention same page.

Hence there are 3 possibilities here;;

1. One of you is wrong and the other is right.
2. Both of you are wrong.
3. Both of you re right.

MaxInDHouse:
The OP only set a bait for members of the truth to come and start arguing with them as usual. Once i discover the intention of most Nairalanders i put their names on the list that i won't bother about whatever question they raise.
I've told the OP that "only JWs have the truth" but since he wants to try his luck with other groups or find a reason to console himself that Christianity and Islam belongs to the same God, i wish him good luck!

Are you now a discerner of intentions?

My intention is simply to ask as an irreligious person, if another religion had made this same claim, won't Christian's have said that religion is fake because the condition has not been met even after over 2000 years?

Dtruthspeaker:
It is exactly the Trumpet you know!

Christ is coming the Same Way He Came on Mount Sinai with only the slight addition of This Time, we Would See Him and not just His Voice Alone as was in Sinai!

But there was no Trumpet then when he came on Mount Sinai or did the bible miss that part?

Dtruthspeaker:
As I always tell you, A Match will only end when the Referee blows the Trumpet whistle of the end of match.

Can you explain what the bible means by Trumpet or whistle?
Cos I'm just wondering with all the Trumpets and Noise from Music at Owambe parties, Crisades, Royal calls etc, how will you hear the Trumpets sir? Just saying.

DappaD:
There are alot of things to unpack from Matthew 24&25. There is also a notable difference between presence mentioned at Matthew 24:3 and coming mentioned at Matthew 24:30,44.
Since the KJV mistook presence for coming, it has led to a lot of problems for most persons to gain understanding.

Are you saying there is no second coming of Christ then?

Ekejoestar:
In the gospel, he said that this gospel shall be preached to the uttermost ends of the earth as a witness and then the end shall come, and I think that's what delaying his second coming.

An interesting condition won't you say?
Point is if any other religion has claimed the same condition would you not have criticised it?

And how do you know the gospel has not been preached to the ends of the world?
Any where technology has reached has access to the gospel in this age and time.

One of the core doctrines of Christianity is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 24:44
Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

This verse is supposedly over 2000 years ago.
Here are my questions;

1. Has this prophesy been fulfilled? Has Jesus had a second coming after over 2000 years?

2. If any other religion had made this claim which has failed for over 2000 years would you not criticize the religion as fake?

3. Is he coming as a Christian or could he birth another religion viz Islam perhaps?