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Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 10:38am On Dec 16, 2020
obagoally:
Weldone to the big bosses in here. The quality of Blocks being sold presently is given me concern and am looking at producing vibrated blocks for my project myself. Can I get recommendation on block molding machines, which type is better, and where it can be purchased. I am based in Ibadan.
I just finished fabricating this type yesterday. It cost me 290k. The fabricator is in Ikorodu.

The new machine unlike the one I have in Ibadan and uses 1 Vibrator (3hp) but have a very big stamper which is the most important thing in the whole construction. A lot of machine I’ve seen around lately have smaller stamper.

My machine in Ibadan has 2 Vibrator (1hp & 3hp) and produces more solid block than the common type of machine.

It’s best to get a professional fabricator to help you put together the machine. Most off-shelf machines do develop fault after few months.

That’s all I know.

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Pic 1 & 2 | My new machine
Pic 3 & 4 | One of my old machines with double vibrator

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m):
[s]Wanted Urgently

280 pcs of 1.5mm Z - Purlin

Location: Ogun State
Budget: N7,000 / unit (however we can bend a little)[/s]

We’ve got it supplied.
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m):
valencia2012:
Very interesting analysis. We don't intend to take business away from POP and plasterboard specialists, as most feed their family through this means. I guess we just need to get tough, when the tough gets going.
Could you please throw some light on this form of cieling?
I'd appreciate.
Here’s my response when I got asked this same question some years ago (2013) when I shared image of the wood beam ceiling (pic 1) done on one of our project in Sangotedo, Lagos.

1. What kind of wood is this? - CEDAR (Red)

2. What kind of treatment/finishing? - WOOD FINISH. IT WILL BE SPRAYED
Coffered Ceiling, Vaulted Ceiling, Exposed Beam/Joist Ceiling and the likes are a great way to add character to your home but a very expensive project which is always a job best left to the pros.

Because they’re large and strikingly imposing, exposed ceiling beams tend to work the best in rooms/spaces with high headroom or vaulted ceilings.


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Pic 2 - 3 | I tried faking a beam it by using POP to create a dropped beam in pic 3 below.

You can also fake exposed beam/wood ceiling with faux wood or reclaimed woods. I’ll suggest you talk to wood professionals.


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Pic 4 (shared by you) looks more like a faux wood or engineered wood than a real beam (natural wood). These are stuffs I’d ship down to Nigeria if I’m in your shoe.
Reason: it’s dirt cheap out there to get faux wood (imitation) but crazily expensive to get natural woods here. That’s if you even get a good finish.

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 10:10pm On Dec 15, 2020
bixton:
Oga
Please that year should be like what period?
Last year
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m):
spyder880:
Guys, please help my client select the best look to his new house,

1st picture: The 3d rendition from the original architect (we didn't like the look)

2nd picture: A picture my client picked and loves for me to use it to replace the first picture.

3rd picture: The new design I worked out with my architect (Phildecasa) so we can use it to replace 1 and 2.

The question now is which of the views should we use, which do you think looks better for this house we are just starting to build?

Thanks for your comments.

https://www.nairaland.com/6272551/making-contemporary-5-bedroom-duplex
I have exactly the second facade (sent by your client) in my ideas and inspiration folder.

It’s very clean and classy with modern elements though not a contemporary design.

The architect may try to introduce unicoloured stones and large windows (probably frameless) for serious taste that never lose beauty.

I think the attention of the client is on the elements (glass, stones etc).

Well done sir!
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Pics 2 & 3 - The architect can draw inspiration from these 2 images to introduce a high stone wall and other elements to the facade.


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From the image shared by your client sir, I think a great accent wall and clean details (more whites, glass and fewer grays) will do the magic. A busy design might not work.

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 1:48pm On Dec 15, 2020
valencia2012:
Very interesting analysis. We don't intend to take business away from POP and plasterboard specialists, as most feed their family through this means. I guess we just need to get tough, when the tough gets going.
Could you please throw some light on this form of cieling?
I'd appreciate.
Coffered Ceiling. I’ll be right back sir.
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 1:20pm On Dec 15, 2020
erico2k2:
you know freestanding plasterboard are meant to be plastered, what is the name of that plaster material used as its not cement?got plaster board in my room's bathroom.
First, you’d be better off with cement board in bath areas (e.g. kalsi board and the likes).

Secondly, you can use Sika Waterproof Cement/Adhesive to screed wet areas (bathrooms etc). 1kg Bag is sold N2,000
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 1:05pm On Dec 15, 2020
erico2k2:
cant it be nailed directly to the wood frame? as in Old asbestos ceiling way? and the nail covered with filler?
Yes. I’ll try share pic of where we did same few months ago.
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 12:10pm On Dec 15, 2020
okeyglm:
nigeria building engineers are too primitive. we don't use fly ash blocks which doesn't need plastering. we waste too much steel and timber and screeding. They are a lot of alternatives
Our friend brunofarad (a specialist in the brick tiles world) can say a lot about this.
Fly Ash is a huge blessing to us in this part of the world but our construction pros seems to know in part (even paving stone experts use it).

The brick tiles in the picture attached is made by pouring a mixture of flyash, quarry dust, gypsum and hydrated lime in a mixing container, then mixing thoroughly with appropriate water volume. The mixture is then transferred to a hydraulic brick molding machine to be molded to desired shapes and forms after which the molded bricks are left to air dry accordingly.


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Picture credit: Farad Contractors

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:59am On Dec 15, 2020
Alternative Building Solution

Check out the construction of this popular showhouse by Nigerite on Lekki axis. The project sitting on 60sqm footprint cost about 14 - 16m (carcassing and finishes excluding foundation)

https://www.livinspaces.net/projects/architecture/cromrite-office-in-lagos-by-kalsi-dry-constructionnigerite/

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:34am On Dec 15, 2020
While at it, there's kalsiboard from Nigerite sold at 9,000 per pc. It's a game changer and it has been in the market for years. I think it was launched into the market in 2013.

Check https://www.nigeritelimited.com/en/products/building-boards/kalsi-boards for kalsi board application

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Pic 1 - If innovative construction methods like this is what you're looking for, stop patronizing those who believe Nigeria is still a village. Do more research. The solutions are out there.

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:22am On Dec 15, 2020
Plasterboard Installation

One of the biggest lies professional plasterboard installers will tell you is that it is unprofessional to install the boards directly to wood studs (e.g. noggins, wood partitions etc) grin grin

Is that true? NO!

To install plasterboards on wood studs, apply plasterboard adhesive (C1) before hanging and use screw gun to attach the boards to your frame. Nothing will happen to the boards cool

Why do I need to buy plasterboard metal studs/profiles when I have my noggins correctly installed undecided

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Pic 1 - Amateur installers abroad hanging plasterboards directly to wood studs.


In Nigeria, there's always a problem for every solution.

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 7:39am On Dec 15, 2020
Alternative Building Solutions

Tiles installed on backerboards used to clad steel columns. This was done as alternative to the traditional in-situ columns thus saving some money.

Location: Ikota, Lagos Nigeria.
Done: 2014

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The possibilities is endless.

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 7:20am On Dec 15, 2020
Jasobry:
I've always thought about the use of steel rather than wood,we just waste trees in this part of the world. I will want to do it as a rental business in my location. Where over 500 structures are springing up
It’s a very good business.

My friend Bameda is making a great kill in Ajah/Lekki axis since 2014 or thereabout when he started.

You only need a very good truck and few experienced guys to handle the assembling and the disassembling of the shutters.

You can get more ideas from Asian construction sites. I give it to those guys on alternative building solutions. They’re unlike us when it comes to exploring options.

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They’ve even started making steel windows (with wood finishes) as an alternative to aluminum and PVC windows.

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The last mile is less crowded. Go to the last mile.
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m):
All images and construction methods shared above are from NextHome’s imaginary projects and pompous dispositions done several years ago.

But the question remains:

Am I the one looking for alternative building solution in 2020? No!

Am I the one buying cement at ridiculous prices? No!

Have I proferred a solution or not? (whether workable or not) Yes!

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The art of being wise is knowing what to overlook.

Good morning and have a great day!
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 6:36am On Dec 15, 2020
Alternative Building Solutions

One would naturally assume steel is more expensive than wood.

When I got into the formwork rental business, I realized this was partly true. Steel shutters are more cheaper in the long run than marine board formwork.

You can reuse them for years and their resale value is higher. There are columns forms that I’ve been using for over 8 years without any defect.

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Pic 1 - Plywood formwork for Columns
Pic 2 - Steel shutters for columns
Pic 3 - Fixing the plywood formwork
Pic 4 - Fixing the steel forms (requires little or no experience)

A timber formwork would require more effector to install and strike out when used than any of the alternative solutions above. Hence, the higher cost of installation.

If you think about it, for every project where timbers are used (for every house) you will need to buy bags of nail, bundles of binding wires, wood for props, etc. You won’t require need to buy the same (or at least same quantity) when you’re using the alternatives (plywood or steel) and the rental rate is far cheaper.

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 6:16am On Dec 15, 2020
Cindino20:
Thank you very much for the detailed analysis.

C.
You’re welcome.

Alternative Building Solutions

Building a house, no matter what size, is increasingly becoming more expensive nowadays due to the rising cost of building materials.

When it comes to building in Nigeria, most people typically think more about traditional construction materials such as wood, concrete and bricks.
However, with the rising cost of building materials, homeowners/builders need to get CREATIVE with the types of materials they choose for their projects. It’s possible for you to choose alternative building materials that can help lower the cost of your project.

If you are going to use alternative building solutions in your project, it is important to find a builder/installer who knows how to implement the solution as conventional installation techniques cannot be used in most cases.

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Pic 1 - Using timber for Raft in 2011
Pic 2 - Using timber for Slab in 2011
Pic 3 - Acquiring film-faced plywoods as alternative to timber formwork for a slabwork in 2013
Pic 4 - Using film-faced plywoods as an alternative to timber for raft formwork in 2013

The question remains “Is plywood cheaper than timber?” The answer is NO if you’re comparing the market retail price.

However, if you’re considering the following:

- reduced labour cost
- time to setup
- resale value
- reusable
- cleaner and more sturdy construction
- storage
- ease of use

Then the cost of using plywood as an alternative to timber is far more cheaper.

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m):
Cindino20:
Boss can you please drop the plaster board's contact? or if you re the contractor, do a comparative analysis between pop ceiling and plaster board ceiling using a typical 12 m² room.

As you can see, alot of builders need an alternative to Pop ceiling due to the price of Pop cements...for others like us..we just want to learn.

Thank you in advance.

C.
Thanks bro for your question.

My plasterboard guy is out of reach for some time now. I’m also not a POP contractor so I might not be able to do exactly what you’re looking for. I’m just an enduser like you and every other enquiry minds here.

However, here’s something I do whenever I’m working on POP and many other finishing works that are billed per m² :

1. Get a Breakdown Cost

Unfortunately I do not always accept a per m² on most of my bids. I always ask my tradespeople to furnish me with a quote which includes an outline plan for how the money estimated will be spent, and a breakdown of the items it will be spent on.

I always encourage the bidder to include his best rates as I don’t like doing too much negotiations.

The reason I don’t accept per m² billing is simply because I don't feel comfortable having someone bill a fixed rate for a specific element of the works that is not yet defined in enough detail for him to accurately price.

E.g. I don’t like too many decorations on my ceiling (just plain and cornices) but my wife would like us to have quoin, ceiling rose, dome, archs, cornices etc in some part of the project . Despite the difference, we were billed the same amount N8,000 per m²

2. My Build Route: Owner-Builder Approach

When building projects get to finishing stage, I always switch mode from a general contractor (a GC) to owner-builder/owner-contractor mode to physically handle some of the finishing work on my own.

This means I planned to exclude GCs (and their fees) altogether, and intend to directly oversee all the skilled trade subcontractors who do the actual field work.

The whole effort is to save money - nothing more.

Given this background, let’s compare costs of installing a traditional POP ceiling (using gypsum plaster) vs using plasterboard in a 12m² room.


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POP Ceiling

POP Ceiling per m² - #8,000 (material and labour cost as at today)
POP Ceiling per m² - #800 - #1,500 (cost varies per design)
Bag of POP Cement - #10,200
Kg of POP sponge - #3,500

Number of Cornices* / Bag of POP Cemen - 7 (big cornice)

Note: smaller cornices can produce as much as 12 pcs per bag or even more. A 12m² room will use maximum of 1.5 bags of POP cement for cornice production.


Cost of 12m² room (#8,000 x 12m²) = #96,000 (material and labour)

Cost of 12m² room (#800 x 12m²) = #9,600 (labour only for cornice and screeding of a plain design)

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Plasterboard

Plasterboard installation per m² = #12,000 (materials and labour cost as at today)
1.2 x 3m sheet of plasterboard = #7,000 - #9,000

* A sheet of 1.2 x 3m plasterboard will cover 3.6m². A 12m² room will require 3.5 plasterboards (estimated at #31,500)

** Professional installation of plasterboard (including the grills) is charged at 1,500 per m² (newly adjusted rate).

*** We are not installing the plasterboards the professional way as it’ll be used as a replacement for the POP boards. The 3 boards will be screwed to the ceiling noggin and held in place with the help of the cornices. The experience of the installer matters a lot here.

**** Adding the cost of producing 15m - 20m cornice and the cost of screeding a 12m² ceiling, plus the cost of hanging the plasterboards (N6k max), the total cost of installing a 12m² ceiling using Plasterboard as a replacement for the conventional POP boards will still be #10 - #15k cheaper.

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m):
I have a feeling cement price will come down in the coming days.

2 trucks delivered to me on credit today. Demand is decreasing and the supply is increasing.

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As we know it, a decrease in demand and an increase in supply will cause a fall in equilibrium price.

Now that the consumers are placing a lower value on the product, I foresee the producers/distributors accepting a lower price in the coming days, therefore, a fall in price.

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 8:46am On Dec 14, 2020
neduboo:
Which pumping machine is #58000? I bought a semi submersible pump for my borehole project which I did early November 2020 for #30,000.

Which one is cable wire again? The semi submersible pump comes with the wire. The wire is even very long and you can't use all of it.

Which one is rope 8000? I bought rope for #3000 and less than quarter of it was even used.

How many casing pipe did he tell you that u need? Although for my own project 3 and half casing pipe was used and I have to return the remaining. I initially bought 7. The casing pipe I bought then cost #7000 per one for 5 inches.

I advice you go to the market and buy your stuff yourself.
Good post. Thanks for sharing.
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 3:22am On Dec 14, 2020
Small details can have big impact in a landscape.
Always endeavor to do it right the first time.

Landscape and open space planning should demonstrate, where relevant, how your design:

- Provides a safe, attractive and functional environment for end users.
- Allows for intended vegetation growth
Considers ongoing ease and costs of maintenance
- Provides a high level of amenity to public and private users.
- Protects and retains predominant landscape features including mature trees and significant vegetation.


NextHome ...creating inspired spaces for today’s lifestyle!


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Ongoing | Hardscaping/Outdoor Beautification at OSSAP-SDGs Project

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 6:24pm On Dec 13, 2020
gbadexy:
Without adequate p.v.a, it may crack and peel off eventually later.
You’re very correct!
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 6:17pm On Dec 13, 2020
valencia2012:
If builders, house owners and contractors can chose between aluminium sheets and stone coated roofing due to finance or choice, why is there no such alternative to POP?
My thinking is because Okorommaduekwe did it, therefore Gbadamosi, Osunbor and Idongesit must do it. Just like iron wrought, chrome or stainless rails.
Not because its cheap or expensive.
Some have added penthouses to buildings but don't know it's meaning or usefulness, because they just want the penthouse title added when describing their edifice.
Its a matter of mentality and dynamism.
This same question is what I asked myself few years ago. I have my noggins already and the cost of POP is overreaching. Then I decided to go with plasterboard as an alternative to the traditional POP boards.

The above approach removed the need for the plasterboard accessories as I’m just using it as an alternative to the traditional POP boards.

Every other components remain the same. The difference is in the number of cement I’ll be using to cover a room and the labour charges.

Any other material that can be screeded over can easily replace POP boards in this case e.g. asbestos, cement boards, plywood, polystyrene etc.

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The whole idea is to think outside the box and stop approaching construction with a typical naija man “pre-fixed mindset”
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 3:47pm On Dec 13, 2020
diordaves:
Absolutely!

I'm currently modernising three 1970s inheritance properties which includes changing the old granny's ceiling to POP. I have done the comparism of in-situ caste POP and plasterboard approach but in-situ POP comes up cheaper. But @Next kept banging on about plasterboard working cheaper for him.

This made me think I might be missing a trick or two so I thought this would be an opportunity for me to learn.

Mind you I'm well familiar with plasterboard here in the Uk. 99% of all UK ceiling is plasterboard. This is why I asked @Next to give his cost per square meter just for a smoke free perspective. You can read @Next rude response (not bible) and his pompous disposition ( l don't contract with Nairalanders). This just confirmed to me it's all talk and hot air bordering on imaginary projects.
The art of being wise is knowing what to overlook.

If I were you, I’d pretend or simply ignore those pompous disposition and imaginary projects. But I think you can do better next time sha.

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On a flip side, if you’re really familiar with professional plasterboard installations and really as smart as you think you are, you’d have seen where the savings are coming from in the pictures I’ve shared.

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Baba, I won’t dignify you with response any further on this subject. Pls kindly use whatever work for you on your project. Wishing you all the best.
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 1:50pm On Dec 13, 2020
InvertedHammer:
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Why not?

The local man who sets broken bones needs customers too.

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grin grin
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 3:00am On Dec 13, 2020
gameboy55:
wall screed 2m, damn


there is a very very cheap way to achieve dat with less than 50k (depending on the size of your project) and to me its best, becos it does not peel off after sometime like that of top bond nd pop combination

in south here, its called plaster screeding, WHY because, its goes along with your plastering

as soon as the walls is plastered and allowed to dry (to the point if you apply force on it won't spoil the job) you mix few quantity of pop cement with water nd add a little quantity of black cement nd stir properly

use a screeding brush to apply the solution on your plastered walls and smooth with sand paper wen dry


its very beautiful (very smooth nd cellophane like walls)
its the cheapest method you can get
nd it last longer than top bond method which paints usually peels off on most occasions


I used just one bag of pop cement for both inside, outside, and parapet screeding for my 4bedroom bungalow with labour not up to 40k. It was done by those doing the plastering


the attacted fence including the four sides inside fence walls (100 by 50) was done with half bag of pop cement. labour was less than 30k.
Thanks for sharing with us.

There are different types of coats when plastering

1. Rough Coat
2. Smooth Coat
3. Decorative Coat

The right sequence to achieve a very smooth wall is as follow:

1. Plaster

2. Cure

3. Surface gets air dry

4. Apply finished coat

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Below is an ongoing fence work being plastered by a JB trained rendering professional. The guy is around 70 years old and he still performs magic. He takes just 3 columns per day.

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m):
diordaves:
But the N4,000 per square meter for POP includes labour cost and all associated cost.

But the price you quoted (N27,000) plasterboard is just for the plasterboard only. You still need installation materials cost, screeding (finishing) materials and labour cost. By the time you factor these in, the cost difference may not be as clear cut. We've been here before just recently.

So to get a clearer perspective, how much will YOU charge per square meter using plasterboard? Or better put; how much do YOU charge using plasterboard? Give this figure and if the price is truly cheaper, I'm sure a Nairalander may take up your quote and come back to give a rating.

So come out transparently and quote jobs using plasterboard as an alternative. Only then can you kill off the debate. Same for the adhesive brand your are 'promoting'.
“Promoting” ke when it’s not a bibeli.

If you check well, you’d see I’m not really keen about taking Nairaland jobs.
The only thing you’d have realized by now is “I’m a talk and do.” If I share a solution, you’d see me put it into use in my personal projects and other builds managed by me.

Make una just dey watch me jare.


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The POP ‘4k per sqm’ price regime was when we were buying POP cement at #3800. I’m pretty sure you’d know that the price didn’t stay same.
As at that time plasterboards are sold between 4k - 5k (1.2m x 3m) and installation accessories are just 300 naira etc.
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 8:30pm On Dec 12, 2020
coldcandy:
Attic
Illumination
Ventilation
Security post
I pass my neighbor
grin
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 10:14am On Dec 12, 2020
DancingSkeleton:
Do you have workers doing it in Benin? And do they have others designs for the installation?
No! I do not offer this service.

However, you can also achieve any design with plasterboards.
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m):
n3xt:
My supplier said it’s now #8,500 but here’s what I could get from the online market.

Even at 9,000 per 3.6sqm board, 3 board (N27,000) will cover a 12 x 12 room (plain design) which makes it more cheaper than traditional POP casting done at 4,000/sqm (we don’t know the new rate now).

Three months ago, the board was sold 5,500 - 7,500
There are far more expensive boards but I’m a GETMO (Good • Enough • To • Move • On) guy! I don’t do norms and traditions.
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 1:25am On Dec 12, 2020
InvertedHammer:
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I dare say that with the high inflation in the building materials' market this year, the war between landlords and tenants will enter a new phase. Can someone who builds with cement at N4000/bag hear " a beg" from a tenant?

@ n3xt: How much is the plasterboard?

E be like say na DIY go begin reign.
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My supplier said it’s now #8,500 but here’s what I could get from the online market.

Even at 9,000 per 3.6sqm board, 3 board (N27,000) will cover a 12 x 12 room (plain design) which makes it more cheaper than traditional POP casting done at 4,000/sqm (we don’t know the new rate now).

Three months ago, the board was sold 5,500 - 7,500

Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m):
I’ve used Plasterboard on so many projects.
You’d hardly notice the difference except I share construction pics just as I’m doing right now.

Below is plasterboard in use on another project.

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