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Joshmodest:
So how is this different from what freeze said ?? or you just want to counter him ?

Freeze selected than reading it as a whole.

Verse 21 was a general address to the Ephesians (Read from verse 1 to understand the message) this was why he ended it with 'in the fear of God'

From verse 22, he then focused on husband and wife.

Igbochief001:
Says who ...u or your pastor ? The Bible is God's word simple stop trying to force your ideology on me

Says the word of God

I am not forcing you or imposing anything on you.
Just read the book of Ephesians 5 and you will understand better. Start from the beginning.

Igbochief001:
Lol funny very funny ...husband and wife should submit to one another under the fear of God ...how is that hard for u to grab

Now, let me explain for clarity. This is why I said it should be read verse by verse and not in isolation.

Ephesians 5:1-21 was a general instruction to the church in Ephesians and this was why it ended with 'in the fear of God'

Paul then went further by by adding the home in explaining the place of submission and sacrificial love by wife and husband respectively.

This is not for arguments but just take your time to read the whole of Ephesians 5 and ask yourself if from the beginning he was addressing just the home.

Verse by verse reading of the scriptures help in understanding the Author's intended meaning alone

Igbochief001:
Oga no body is stopping at 21 ...all I'm saying it don't ignore 21 ...the husband must submit to the wife also ..then the wife can now submit to the husband as we submit to Christ

Christ himself submitted himself to the church first by laying down his life before the church submitted to him

Did you see that 21 didn't say submit yourself one to another? Rather, it says submit yourself one to another in the fear of God?

You will understand that the point is in the fear of God and then, went further to give instructions to the husband and wife.

bkool7:
Which message?
The Bible's message
Or this Pastor's?

Clearly he's not telling the husband to reciprocate so how does his message compliment the Bible's?

To him it's a one way thing

The Bible's message

Verse 21 says they are to submit themselves one to another in the fear of God. In the fear of God is to be noted.

It then went further to explain better. Submission was used to explain what is expected of a wife to her husband while being subject to him (in every sense) as the Church is subject unto Christ.

When explaining the husband's role, it says the husband should love his wife as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself for it.

When reading the Bible it is advisable to take it verse by verse to understand the Author's intended meaning alone. Submission by the wife in every sense and Sacrificial Love by the husband.

Igbochief001:
Now that's your own interpretation ...if the wife was the only one meant to submit there won't be verse 21

21 gave the condition for which wife would be submissive .. if 21 is met then 22 can follow

Stop saying he was selective when oyedepo did same thing

I am not a respecter of any man of God whether he is Adeboye or Oyedepo. I believe in searching the scriptures to understand better what God is saying. I am like the Berean Christian who still goes back to know if the word spoken was true.

Back to you dwelling on verse 21, I will like to give an example for better clarity. This is in the form of instruction.

Tunde and Wale go and break that fence.

I then said further, Tunde you should use sledge hammer to break the fence blocks.

Wale you are to pickup the broken blocks and dispose them.

If you dwelled on my first sentence, you would have gotten my message wrongly till you read other statements from me.

That is the case with what Paul said too. You should not stop at 21 but read it further to understand his view on this. The instruction was progressive and didn't stop at 21.

bkool7:
Is this man saying the wife must submit totally to the husband but the husband is not obliged to reciprocate?

You just want a "Yes sir" wife.

Is that a union or companionship?


That's more like a boss and slave relationship.


Even Jesus honoured his disciples by washing their feet. And that's Jesus o

No get the message clearly. You will understand this better when you also read Ephesians 5:21-26. You will understand clearly.

Joshmodest:
Christianity is the most confusing of all religions ... if Jesus is the origin of Christianity , why should apostle Peter's opinion on husband and wives become something everybody should abide by ...
if u look at it clearly , men wrote these books , and like I always say no matter how you try to tell me, that they received Inspiration from God , their sentiments can never be overlooked ....
imagine ibiyeome or Adeboye or even father the father oyedepo , were alive then and had the chance of writing the bible , abi are they not getting inspiration from God ? they would have put things like if anyone defames you lock him up , or if your secretary is tempting you sack her or pay your tithe if not if it will be tithe for you , and the sweetest of all -- if you don't pay your tithe you are under a financial curse ....
And people of these days would have to abide by such nonsense ...

You need no bible to tell you that , your wife is also human , and needs respect to and not a slave that you can order around the place or insult the way you like cos one book says she has to submit ....
if the bible had even put it the way freeze said it ,my respect for the writer would be really high !

Daddy freeze , oyedepo , Adeboye , ibeyiome are all same of the same , confusing and brainwashing people , I prefer Freeze's brainwash tho , cos he comes with facts and not sentiments !!!

It is because you read it while looking at it from the slavery point of view and this is why you didn't get the point Paul made.

When Paul talked about husband loving his wife as Christ love his church and gave his life to it. He talks about Sacrificial love of the husband to his wife. One that does not think of his own gain but that of his wife. One that will not consider self first before his wife. Was Paul talking about husband being a slaughter goat?

Submission on the other side by the wife to her husband is not that of a slave to her master but a submission in love in every sense as the Bible puts it.

Please, tell me if with these two ways from husband to wife and wife to husband in bad for a home to be built upon.

Freeze can be selective just to gain audience without looking at the Bible holistically. Bible is to be read verse by verse to understand the Author's intended meaning alone.

Igbochief001:
Daddy freeze never said wife's should not submit to the husband ...he only said it's a two way thing ...both husband and wife should submit to each other ....and gave a Bible verse to back it up

I wonder what's wrong with that ?

He was selective and gave his own meaning whereas the Author's intended meaning is of utmost importance. If he had read Ephesians 5 from verse 21 downwards verse by verse, he would have understood the Author's intended meaning.

Wife is to submit to her husband by being subject to him in every sense just as the Church is subject unto Christ.

Husband is to love his wife sacrificially just as Christ love the church and gave his life for it.

The Author's intended meaning alone stands and not our personal view or what we impose on the Bible

Emempaul:
guy go and read the Bible well and don't twist this thing in order to trend. verse 21,25 27 and 28 says it all husband and wife shud submit to themselves for a fruitful and loving marriage

Do not just select verses. Read it verse by verse to understand only the Author's intended meaning.

Verse 21 says they are to submit themselves one to another in the fear of God. In the fear of God is to be noted.

It then went further to explain better. Submission was used to explain what is expected of a wife to her husband while being subject to him (in every sense) as the Church is subject unto Christ.

When explaining the husband's role, it says the husband should love his wife as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself for it.

When reading the Bible it is advisable to take it verse by verse to understand the Author's intended meaning alone. Submission by the wife in every sense and Sacrificial Love by the husband.

Deborah98:
Freeze is always looking for a way to turn the scriptures upside down....

You are very correct. Just the way he defended his position with Hushpuppi by relating it with Jesus dining with sinners as if when Jesus dined with sinners, he released careless and insulting talks all in the name of associating with sinners.

He is just one self conceited man who is being used to create issues in Christendom.

MyVILLAGEpeople:
That Pastor shouldn't have lambast Rev Chris like that. Even after the divorce Pastor Chris and the church is waxing stronger and greater. That didn't affect the Grace and Anointing upon him. Even the wife of great Apostle Joseph Babalola gave him serious issues during his time. Besides I don't even understand why a pastor will be attacking another pastor on the alter.

That is a false story of Apostle Joseph Babalola's wife. It was a lie carried on for years till the truth came out.

The woman in question remained a fervent women in the Lord till she died with no history of issues.

Khanben:
Ì do not know the man from Adam, neither have i ever had the same opinion as he just stated. But i can see through my own ignorance and agree that another human had a thought that i have never considered and simply agree that he has a point. The fact that you can blatantly paint anybody with the brush of he is against the scripture without using scriptural principles says more about you than him. The bible admonishes us to test every spirit, not accept or reject every spirit, but to test them and see if they are in line with God.



PS:
There was an island in the pacific that missionaries went to speak the word to, on getting there they found out that the animal Sheep does not exist in that island. After staying for a while they also observed that the animal that the people over there value the most is the Pig. So when it came time to try speaking the Gospel to them in all the places the bible says sheep they had to replace it with Pig for just that society.
The question thereof is were they wrong in making those changes? The bible in no were used pigs in a positive language but for those people that was their most cherished possesion.
It is people like you who when they had the story did not even bother to ask whether the message of Jesus was heard, but first started berating the missionaries for daring to change not the message but a word.

The Gospel message is simple Christ has died for our salvation and through him we are free. IMHO anyway it takes a man to get to that salvation is justifiable unlike the people of the world out target as christians is not the means, but the end goal. So if an individual needs an habit to facilitate his relationship witmh God, as far as the Gospel is concerned that person is doing. Condeming without even first understanding what you condemn is just a shame.

It is a shame you have no Biblical backing but just coming up with stories and explanations that hold no water.

That is why anybody could question our beliefs because we most times teach others outside the Bible.

So, you don't carry this error everywhere, I never in anyway spoke evil of the man. I focused on the message and not the man. I only told you what he said was an error. Know this, ANYBODY is prone to error as man is FALLIBLE. Until you get that right then you will understand the place of personal relationship with God.

Virginity can not stop you from keeping malice or slandering or backbiting or unholy practices. Christ said Pure in Heart shall see God. Nothing else. Psalm 24 also echoed this.

Do I listen to you and this priest? NO. What Christ says only applies to my life and not whatever you feel or teach. My life is to be guided alone by God's word. Habit will never facilitate your relationship with God. Don't teach any other view outside the Gospel.

1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

The above verse was what made me reply your comment for the last time. Do you know it is an error to make others build their faith on the wisdom of men? It cannot stand the test of time. Shalom.

May we all attain the full measure of Christ and be the bride Christ is expecting. In the spiritual aspect of virginity think about the 10 virgins and ask yourself why 5 were called foolish virgins.

Lai Mohammed as usual came up with his usual style of avoiding the truth just to pass his own message.

He didn't compare pricing with major oil producing Nations in Africa. He gave us just selective prices. Lai Mohammed should give us that of Angola, Algeria, Lybia etc. Why compare Nigeria with African countries that do not produce oil capacity like Nigeria?

Also, Nigerian crude oil is highly sought after because of its quality and Nigeria is the highest oil producing Nation in Africa. So, our oil is in high demand and yet we suffer for this.

He mentioned Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Can he tell us if the development in these countries can be seen in Nigeria despite huge sales from crude oil?

Khanben:
Now I know your problem, the word facilitate is what it seems you don't understand, when something facilitate it means that not all will need it. If you go to an exam and there is a facilitator available, some persons during the course of the exam will have issues and therefore need the help of said facilitator while others may not have any issues. As for where is it in the scriptures James clearly tells us that we can see a persons faith through his works, a lot of people can be doing the same works and still be not be in right with God, that does not negate the fact that there are people whose works (in this case virginity) matches their faith (a life in Christ).

As for scriptural absolutes you have once again failed to even grasp the whole picture. The Bible clearly states thou shall not kill. So if a Christian soldier or cop is in the position where they have no other choice but to kill a mass murderer, is that not also allowed.

PS:
The scriptures encourages us to study as that is what makes us approved, when a topic comes up that brings up an area with differing views from you, it is a biblical mandate that Christians should study and find out more. This idea of always depending on what you think you know is not God's desire for us.
If more Christians even bother to study, maybe most of this fake doctrines flying up and down might have been reduced.

I will stop this back and forth with you as I can see that you have just chosen to be one sided in your thoughts and all you quote from the Bible has nothing to support his wrong view on virginity.

When it comes to TRUTH, it is COMPLETE in every sense, when tested, questioned and examined, it does not change from the TRUTH. The word of God is that TRUTH and not your opinion or view.

Your problem is that you believe so much in him than going through your Bible to study.

Pure in heart does not translate to being pure or the virginity he brought to it.

Bible says Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God. Maybe you should also read Psalm 24 to understand what Jesus meant. We use verses in the Bible to explain another and not giving it your own thoughts process. Bible alone speaks.

Finally, when the Bible says study to show thyself approved it never meant that you impose your thoughts on His word. Rather His words are to work on you which will achieve a workman that is not ashamed as stated in 2 Timothy 2:15. However, see 2 Timothy 3:16-17 to better understand 2 Timothy 2:15 you quoted.

It is teachings like his that brought in many doctrines causing issues because it was gotten from reasoning and not allowing the word alone to speak.

I won't respond to any comment from you as you are bent on upholding error than what the Bible says. Virginity won't make you see God but what Jesus said Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God. Being pure in heart facilitates your relationship with God.

N.B I do not in anyway belittle the importance of virginity as I once passed through that phase but my point remains that only the Bible should speak. You could be a virgin and still be far away from God because it is only the pure in heart that will see God which is what you can't personally do except by the help of the Holy spirit working in your heart.

Khanben:
Following your logic all virgins are not pure of heart, you can even extend it to say every single virgin who has ever lived cannot be pure of heart (which also includes Jesus).
You are simply making an assumption that nobody can follow the dictates of the scriptures with the guidance of the holy spirit. What of if there was only one person in the congregation who is a virgin and also does not dwell on immoral thoughts does the message now fly.

You should just admit that you thought only of people who kept the outward show of virginity, but are immoral in more ways than one, and did not even consider that negligible percentage of persons who have by the grace of God kept themselves inline with Gods will. Which are the people he is encouraging by telling them they are not doing it for humans but for God.
When trying to make corrections try as much as possible to consider every possibility instead of just assuming the worst about every single person

PS: He never said virginity is a requirement, he said it can 'facilitate'.

Why are you defending a man above the Bible? Are you saying his words are right than what the Bible says?

Do you also know that he quoted wrongly too? Or do you want to tell me he is right biblically by what he quoted?

Being pure and being pure in heart, are they the same?

You are the one who didn't weigh every possibilities which is why he is also wrong because I have also shown you the other side of a virgin too.

Besides, why do you exalt man above God. Have you read the Bible where it was written about some set of people known as Bereans? Do you know why this was included? It is a lesson for us not to swallow everything said no matter the person who made such statement simply because man is fallible (and this does not exclude me).

Back to the subject matter, do you know that the TRUTH when tested in every angle remains the TRUTH and does not change at all? But facts, falsehood or lies can be tested and will change. This is why I said he shared his view rather than stick to the Bible. You can never teach the Bible and still go wrong.

So, please all I want to know now is this:

1. Are all virgins pure as he has painted it and by their virginity facilitates their relationship with God?

2. Does being pure in heart mean virginity? OR are all virgins pure in heart?

3. If virginity facilitates their relationship with God, what happens to the non-virgins? Are they far from God because of their status of not being 'pure' (as he puts it in his message)?

Finally, dictates of the scripture carries just one meaning which is the Author's intended meaning. The Holyspirit is never the author of confusion by coming up with something else outside the scripture.

Khanben:
It seems you have a penchant for speaking without considering possibilities. You say virginity does not facilitate a relationship with God. I say it can be a tool that helps you develop a skill/ability which helps you in your Christian race ergo facilitates.
Simply follow the logic if you are patient enough to even try.

For a Christian to be a virgin especially in the time that we are in, means at the very least that said individual has a modicum of self discipline. So that self discipline which the individual has developed from staying away from sexual immortality can be applied in every part of the Christian race, from helping you to keep a bridled tongue, keeping your temper in check and making sure it does not lead you into sin e.t.c.
All you failed to do after reading his teaching is to even try to consider how the process of keeping their virginity can help a person develop basic foundations to build their Christian life.
As a Christian when you see a teaching you don't understand or agree with, the first thing to do, is either think it through or study a bit to see if the teaching holds any water, as Paul admonishes us in the scriptures.
condemning it as a deviation from biblical doctrine without any due diligence on your part is a sign of a Christian who still feeds on milk as Paul put it.

What due diligence do you want me to give to an error which anybody is prone to as a man?

Tell me how about virgins who watch adult movies, engage in kissing, gossip, backbiting and several other sins but just didn't do the penetration?

So, explain to me if PURE IN HEART as stated in the scripture is same as what he stated and if being a virgin means you are pure in heart.

Khanben:
The priest never said virginity is the one and be all, it seems you have failed to comprehend his teaching. In a nutshell he is saying the teaching of avoiding premarital sex is for both male and female children, also keeping your self whole until the marriage bed is not a gift to your spouse but a testament to your relationship with God.
When he talks facilitating, he is talking about those who are lucky to have known Christ as kids(whether male or female) and have decided to to keep all his teachings, and not hide under the rock of, virginity is only required of women not men to indulge in sexual immortality.

It is you who failed to comprehend his teaching and have chosen to uphold man than God's word. Please, when you read the post again, watch the video and digest EVERYTHING and not just come back with male virginity then, maybe you will understand clearly.

I still keep asking you the same question Point out where in my post I mentioned virginity is for ladies alone. What's your issue with male virginity.

Please, don't come up with the nonsense facilitation explanation as if you are discussing with a kid. He spoke his view and it does not conform to the Bible simple.

Where in the Bible does virginity facilitates relationship with God? Also, what happens with the non-virgin? Point out this from the Bible and please, don't come back with an explanation that holds no water all in the name of defending a man who is FALLIBLE.

He even went further to say blessed are the pure, for they shall see God by quoting from Matthew 5 and concluded that your virginity facilitates your relationship with God. There, you are explaining nonsense when even what he quoted was rubbish.

Should I point you to what the Bible actually says in Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the PURE IN HEART for they shall see God. So, please tell me if this is a matter virginity?

Now, quote from the Bible where you are right and I am wrong.

Khanben:
There is no where in the Bible only christian women are admonished to keep their virginity while Christian men are exempted. That is why the priest said parents should not teach 'only' their daughters about virginity but include their sons in said teaching. How this statement differs from biblical doctrine as you claimed is what I don't understand.

PS
If you don't understand how the word 'only' is used in the priest statement then reread it before jumping the gun and posting untrue statements.

Can you please stop this nonsense and go do something else?

Did you see anywhere in my post where I referred to only ladies as being virgin?

If you don't understand the reason for my comment, please find something else to do or comment separately without mentioning me. I don't understand the point you are trying to prove.

Please, point to me where in the Bible it says that virginity facilitates your relationship with God and also tell me what then happens to the non-virgin, are they now far away from God and God won't have any relationship with them?

Since you seems to know beyond the Bible and the priest words are more important than the position of the Bible?

Next time, try understand my first comment and see who I mentioned first before bringing the matter of men being virgin to this discussion.

Khanben:
So only women commit sin by having premarital sex?

Can you first read the post and understand why I responded that way before forming unnecessary oversabi?

If you don't have the time to even read the post at least the subject you clicked on says a lot about its content.

So, please don't question me by derailing from the subject.

Asour:
You guys in a bid to be spiteful sometimes come across a little unexposed.

PPE for COVID-19 is NOT for the wearer.

These aids (mask, Sanitizer, etc.) are essentially for others. It helps reduce the spread by mitigating transmission of the virus to others, particularly from unaffected carriers.

Note that masks are not for one's self. They are for others. And others for you.

Besides, abiding by reasonable rules is a commendable attitude. No need for undue dissent as a man of God on government's pronouncements that are not contrary to God's admonition.

P.s. I am neither an RCCG member nor related to the G.O. in any way.

I am in no way in support of others who spite the man of God. Every careless talk shall be accounted for before God.

On the other hand, Face mask is both for yourself and for others. It is for yourself so you don't inhale tiny droplets of the virus and for others, so you don't pass it to others. It is a two way thing and not a one way thing you painted.

Vikkoh:
What about eating Bread in a dream? Who can help with its interpretation should quote me abeg.

It means you will consume a bakery if care is not taken

It's not okay joking about someone post especially when this person is seeing it as something serious.

Rather than joke about it, don't comment at all.

haiti007:
So a nonvirgin has relationship with God at a slow pace

Just tired of how men of God keep teaching based on their own view instead of giving Bible based teachings.

Tell a lady to keep her virginity based on what the Bible says. Don't add any nonsense to it all in the name of passing a point.

I read this post completely. It's a well detailed write up and research. Whoever wrote this knows in details the fire service job.

I keep telling whoever wants to hear that the development of a country does not just lie in transportation alone. There are many things to be put in place in making a country developed and one of such is a swift response of the fire service department without any issues attached as it relates to necessary equipment and resources.

Please what do the National Agency for Food and Drug Administration and Control, NAFDAC and the Nigeria Institute of Pharmaceutical Research and Development want to validate?

NAFDAC had to wait for US on simple Chloroquine before NAFDAC started releasing press statement on possible investigation.

There is nothing to validate if internally, we couldn't carry-out necessary research on vaccine for COVID-19. Evidence of a not working government who believes transportation (road, rail, etc) is the only way Nigeria can be developed when there are diverse sector to be looked into. Nigeria is lacking in Education, Technology and many other areas. Development does not come from Transportation alone, rather, other sectors also need to be working too.

Several research agencies but no results as achievement.

How many times will this government remove subsidy?

When it was increased the other time to N145, subsidy removal was the excuse. Now, they are still coming with the same story.

At the end, this government will deceive us till it is even beyond N162

Reading through the comments of most ladies, I weep for many marriages.

Now, I understand why many marriages don't last. It's really sad how we got to this stage.

APC, the party of scammers.

solmusdesigns:




Don jazzy dey use Wailers catch cruise

This guy can never be serious lol hahahahahaaa

Funny thing is that Invitation isn't an arrest we keep telling them they won't listen

DSS offices are been run like a corporate office with men in suit and ties, highly professional and friendly, you hardly see guns anyhow, their vehicles are mostly unmarked , they are well trained (training coarses in islreal and US) well educated graduate and if you weren't told it is a security office you might think it's a normal office



.

Hmmm..... Just the way they handled Sowore as an educated and professional body.

CallMeDrino:


Let this fraud of a pastor try na

If he fails, he should be thoroughly flogged

Did he defraud you or was there any claim of him defrauding anyone?

Why type this all in the name of you not being okay with whatever comes from him?

Magicians:
Lol

Another brand of foolishness from the foolish party. Ize-Iyamu is busy doing ward to ward campaign in Obaseki hometown n stronghold while Obaseki is massaging the ego of foolish Ipob igbo PDP members on NL

Well, there is something called media power too. What you keep seeing everyday registers in the mind compared to someone you saw just once or twice at most.

I.T is taking over than the analogue style of doing things.

Lai Mohammed thinks his usual style of giving Nigerians lies will work in Ghana. He didn't know that Ghana is so organised and do not bow to lies and media war.

Sick government.

Ghanaian government clearly shows how a working government could be so detailed.