₦airaland Forum

kikero:
What's the confusion

So long as government controls or sets the price of fuel there is a subsidy in existence.

For subsidy to be no longer on existence, it would be the marketers and fuel depot owners that would be setting the price instead of NNPC

Note. Anyone who abuses me will be reported to the moderators immediately.

I expect you to disagree with me. But don't use intemperate language doing so. You can be civil in your speech.

Thank you. You are free to disagree with me. But no abuse please

You just confirmed also that our government is based on falsehood. A big scam.

RuddyFusion:
There's no way the VP won't know anything about the law before it was signed into law....no way

Please, does the VP have the power to stop it since you know what really happened at Aso villa?

RuddyFusion:
You have a point there....but then what did he do before the passage of the law?

When the President is on seat, the Vice President has no say or power to go through what the President signs into law unless the President assigns his Vice to go through.

The said Bill was taken to the President to sign into law and can never be placed before the Vice when the President has not transferred such duty to his Vice in absential.

Just saying

RuddyFusion:
Is speaking grammar part of his responsibility as VP?

What will he do after the grammar?

Does he have any influence over the cabal that's pursuing their agenda through the law?

Nah

If you read the post, you will see the message passed acrossed.

Is anyone talking about cabals here? He has just stated that amendments is possible when every other religious leader were voicing out on the law passed.

Please, be objective than resorting to this. Even law itself needs grammar.

RuddyFusion:
Osibade is only speaking grammar

He had risen to his responsibility as the Vice president who is also a Christian and all you thought of was that it is purely grammar. If he had kept mute, you all will complain. Now, he is talking you are saying otherwise.

May God help this country.

Joshmodest:
@op do you ??
Accept or not Nigeria is a country that was never meant to be one , two. three or even 30 ...
fragment us into 40 units , people would still call for division ....
We were all just forced to stay together against our wish !!
I don't like the bourdillion chimpanzee but he's right on this !!

But it will be morally right if you don't believe in one Nigeria not to get involved in anything that pertains to 'one Nigeria' including governance.

You should maintain your stands and not portray double standard. Just saying.

Sick talk

PrincessC11:
Please I have a question:
Please what's the advantages or importance of a religious body registering under the government?


Quote author=TonyeBarcanista post=93100486]Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...

Please, don't twist the Bible for your personal gain. Bible is to be handled with care. What happened to the church in Corinth? Why did Paul write to Timothy? Have you read the part of the synagogue called Solomon's temple? What happened to the gathering of over 3000 souls won and kept on fellowshiping? Were all these experience an individual thing? There is the place of collective gathering and this is Biblical.

However, excesses need to be checked with respect to focusing on the building than building the individuals.


You mentioned UK, USA, South Africa and the likes. Please, tell me if the Nigerian government and their way of operation is anywhere near any of these countries. Tell me if there was anytime you could trust this government. They keep deceiving us daily and can never do things like these other country. If they don't bring in politics to it, they bring in religion or tribe.

Not even in a time where there are allegations of interference in Boko Haram insurgency.

Igbochief001:
it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

How about this scamming government? So, who's job is it to protect citizens from this scamming government?

Reasoning like this is very wrong and bad for a country like Nigeria.

When a man comes to meet you for business transactions and he introduces himself as Pastor...... Beware of such, you could be scammed.

The same way I find it funny when this man is being presented as a Pastor in all campaigns for the coming election. Being a Pastor is a calling and not a title you carry about. If he is using the calling as a title to gain supporters then it is unfortunate. Also, he is denting the call even with several videos circulating of his wrongs and also court case.

When Paul introduces himself in all his letters, you will never see Apostle Paul but Paul, called to be an Apostle of Christ. It is a calling not a title.

The church will someday be the bride Christ is waiting to take home.

Wetin concern MURIC with NBA matters. Just some yeye set of people creating issues in the country.

It's really sad that we play the tribe game when it comes to addressing matters squarely.

The man in question has issues he is yet to addressed. Insecurity in his state with serious protest and all this jigawa branch could come up with is the tribe game and calling him to defend himself. Defend what? Defend how protesters issues were not addressed or how they are clueless with Jigawa branch knowing better than indigenes?

This country can never progress this way and it is even shameful that it is coming from the legal profession this time around.

Hmmmm...... How did I find myself in Nigeria? This is one question I have never been able to answer.

Na wa o. Maybe when we start drinking only water this government will not have anything to tax again. They just want to make life difficult for the masses.

What am I even typing? Very soon this government will tax even water with the claim that we can't be drinking water everyday and not have it taxed.

Shizzyguy:
Well I think you got her message all wrong and mixed up. By saying a man can get sex outside or from a prostitute does not mean she is encouraging or endorsing adultery, it simply means there is something more important to a man than sex and food which is her main point of emphasis. There is the place of experience which is what the older women have to offer. Try talk to older women, if you know any that had problems in their marriage and ask them what they feel went wrong or what they feel they could have done differently and hear what they have to say. We can avoid similar situations by learning from the experiences of others and that's a key lesson from that passage. Please note that she would have counselled a lot of people in her many years of being a Pastor.

Another reference for you. To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If a brother has an unbelieving wife and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 1 Corinthians 7:12. You can also check verse 25. Paul gave instructions concerning matters even though he clearly stated he did not receive anything from the Lord. Does that make those instructions invalid? Or can we call them "thought or cooked up" instructions by Paul?

Okay but Paul you talked about in the verse you quoted never said anything contrary to the Gospel. If you also read the verse you quoted, he spoke as one who also obtained mercy by his own status of faithfulness and not speaking because he has followers.

Words carry power and because you are in the position to speak does not give you the right and authority to dump anything on the listeners all must be checked in God's word alone.

Where again did the Bible say sex isn't needed by a man as he can get it anywhere even a prostitute. 1 Corinthians 7:1-9 tells you the power of sex in a marriage and now someone is coming with something different.

Please, she speaks more of what she had cooked up than the Bible. We need to start teaching or listening to Bible based teaching alone.

N.B: I move with older men than my age and I know how much they value their sex lives especially with their wives.

Shizzyguy:
3In the same way, teach older women to be ·holy [reverent] in their behavior, not ·speaking against [slandering; gossiping about] others or enslaved to ·too much wine [excessive drinking], but teaching what is good. 4 Then they can ·teach [train] the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be ·wise [sensible; self-controlled] and pure, to be ·good workers at home [devoted to home life], to be kind, and to ·yield [submit] to their husbands. Then no one will be able to ·criticize [discredit; malign; blaspheme] the ·teaching God gave us [word of God]. Titus 2:3-5

Based on the referenced passage above, she is doing exactly what the Bible told her to do, teach the younger women how to relate to their husbands. Secondly, I think she is qualified to speak on the matter because she is a teacher of the word and an older woman.

No, she is doing what she wants her audience to hear. Bible based teaching is what this Bible verses talk about or address and not share your own view all in the name of trying to trend. Tell me what part of this talks about men being able to get sex else where even from prostitute.

We have derailed from letting people know what the Bible truly says and we begin to give what we have thought or cooked up ourselves. The Bible itself addresses all issues and can build up any individual. The Bible remains the focus, not what we think or know.

Ladycewhy:
What caught my attention is "stop repeating the mistake your mother made" now is pastor trying to tell us women of old made mistakes? .


You see I stopped taking these preachers serious the day a female preacher said " if you are the bread winner ,go out win the bread and bring it for daddy to share" lol Daddy that doesn't have hand to win bread but can hand to share. I was nearly tempted to ask her if she forgot that a man who cannot take care of his family is worse than an infidel, but make e nor be like say I dey rude


These are the same women who will think just because you choose to stand up for yourself and not be used as a bought commodity ,you are not virtuous enough and will go to hell fire .


Notice how the woman gets to give something invaluable,that cannot be quantified, "respect and honour" while all the man needs to do is take his wife and children out .

Her messages are exciting messages for her audience and just so she can trend.

It's easy for her to give head teachings and not Bible based ones.

I don't know when the calling involved teaching outside what the God of the Bible says.

Not moved by any of these. Teach people the Bible or give a Bible based teaching on marriage, every other thing will fall in place.

We just need to move from the era of head and exciting teaching to what does the God of the Bible says.

They are sick. Why make it public when you are still testing?

Only God knows what really went wrong with Nigeria.

Tomide007:
Lol. That's why I was bothered when early Christians fled during persecution, shouldn't they have obeyed that scripture and converted to Judaism?

Carrying a bible, or taking part in any Christian related activity is illegal in Somalia, I think Christians there should obey that scripture and covert to Islam, that way they can obey the law of the land. How smart do you sound now.....No scripture stands on its own.....the argument here is not about tax.

The guy had no understanding of what he quoted. Just one of the many who just quote out of context

Jones4190:
The Bible speaks decisively to this issue. Romans 13:1-2 says: "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow."

oyedepo is not man of God...
he is serving gods of money

infact verse 3 and 4 of thesame Romans 13 said For rulers are not to be feared by those who do good, but by those who do evil. Would you like to be unafraid of those in authority? Then do what is good, and they will praise you,
because they are God's servants working for your own good. But if you do evil, then be afraid of them, because their power to punish is real. They are God's servants and carry out God's punishment on those who do evil.
Romans 13:3-4 GNB

where is oyedepo concerned??

Please, don't quote Bible out of context. The Author's intended meaning is the only meaning that stands.


Please, stay away from using the Bible for selfish reason.

Hmmm...... Just be careful.

JAMO84:
Any religion leader that refused to obey the law should be prosecuted. They have their churches in US and UK, obey all their laws but refused to do same here.

So, did the same US and UK claim to take over the account of churches or board of trustees?

You allow a sick government control your thoughts when they are not performing up to expectations.

The same woman who said the rubbish, is the present government also performing up to expectations like the government of US and UK?

Ikeast:
Oga Oyedepo upon all the christians killed in Southern Kaduna,
U didn't condenm it..

U are interested in reopening church Coz tithe and offering issagoal........

Why can't you verify things before you comment. Are you aware that Oyedepo started his ministry in the North? Kaduna precisely.

Oyedepo is more concerned and condemns the wrong in southern Kaduna more than any man of God known.

Please, learn to make findings before exposing cluelessness.

Very soon this government will take all our rights and we will have nothing to defend again.

TruthDefender:
Pastorpreneur...

The original yahoo boys are these 'men of god'.. Feeding fat on the backs of gullible members using 'god's' name. Tax-free, that's what really annoys me. Yahoo men enjoying tax-free money while hard-working citizens pay tax from their already meager remunerations.

Churches ,Mosques and other religious institutions where money is collected should pay tax.


My 2 cents.

The real Yahoo men who tarnished our image outside this country you didn't attack. The real ones who made the genuine Nigerians to be scared of abroad, you didn't address.

I don't understand your reasoning.

If you talked about paying tax, I might just ignore but typing this way doesn't justify your position.

TOPCRUISE:
So by that assertion, Oyedepo see him as wicked

No, nice instead. Why ask this question?

Do you know what it means in a democracy and a country with constitutions and law?

May God alone help us in this country as we cannot go far with reasoning as this.

lekki1444:
NO MORE MONEY FOR DADDY

TIME TO GROUND THE PRIVATE JETS

SOMEBODY TELL PAPA TO GO AND BUY NIKES. ITS TIME TO START TREKKING LIKE A REAL NIGGA ON THESE MEAN LAGOS STREETZ

Aren't you tired of trekking too?

Dshocker:
All this pastors are just after their money.

The way they all fought against daddy freeze because he spoke about tithing sadden my heart,instead of them to channel that energy in convincing their members to vote rightly during election,so the situation of things can in Nigeria.

All you could just see is Daddy Freeze in this whole thing. Has Daddy Freeze become your god or a perfect preacher too?

Know this, man is fallible and that Daddy Freeze is not different from others too. Quoting the Bible to justify himself.

When they all talked about bad governance, where were you?

If I may ask, if you were in his position and were given that letter, would you say the CAC man should come to takeover?

ikorodureporta:
Always fighting for his selfish nterests...

What selfish interest here?

Reasoning suggests that you act this way especially when the other party has no right whatsoever.

So, if it were you, you will say they should takeover?

I don't understand why we reason this way in this country. We have never made any tangible progress with such reasoning

helinues:
Oledepo can only rant on social media...

Is it only Winners that FG sent the letter to...

They will close the accounts and nothing will happen

Nonsense

Just the way you rant here on Nairaland without using your head.

That you have anything against him or the church does not mean you should abandon your head and reason from the anus.

Tell me if the whole process is lawful especially in a democratic government.

It is reasoning like yours that has kept this country in the state she is today.

The government has failed in her responsibilities. Doing nothing to help the masses but going about embarrassing themselves the more.

There is nothing to save in this relationship. Focus on your life for now.

That bf of yours is probably after satisfying himself alone.

Pastors are meant to give Bible based teaching but it is so sad nowadays that some give head based teachings just to trend and go viral.

We need to go back to the Scriptures alone. The Calling was to teach the scriptures and not to derail from the scriptures.

jay7:
Bro you are getting me wrong, I didn't say there is know money in transportation but I am into the field, I know what men chuck themselves into when it comes to transportation, a man will only tell you what he wants you to know and see him as a good person, but will not tell you the dirty part, I agree that early maintenance help strengthen the vehicle and prevent unnecessary breakdown, but transport is not as rossy in real life as it sound on paper. Peace

I agree with you that it is not a rossy business but even the white collar job isn't too. You get to face insults, threat at work and even spend unplanned expenses all in the name of trying to get to work early enough. Some even had it terrible by facing dismissal when they never saw it coming. No job is rossy, it comes with its own challenges too.

jay7:
I will not argue with you but all you are saying is hear say, a bus owner within a space of 2 years built a house and send his child to a private university? That's what he told you right? Did you know other things he is involved in that he may not want to tell you? Like I say it is easier to cook vegetable soup with mouth than reality, but I am surprise you are not into transportation since you have successful people doing it around you. Peace

He is not involved in other things infact, he lost all and pumped all he had left to getting a second hand bus and it all changed from there.

Do you want me to tell you his terrible experience prior to him starting this business before you believe?