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bayooooooo: Slice it anyhow, your post carries a badge of tribalism. Why Igbo and not others? Why not Fulani should look towards the East to raise competent and sympathetic leaders? What's in the East that diminishes leadership qualities that is not found in other parts of the country or anywhere in the world? You seem to project an image of a "detribalised" fellow but right within you is a man of unbelievable nepotism suffering from superiority complex. Change your ways!

Eeeyah, I think I hurt your soft feelings some 10 posts ago when I called you olodo and told you to ignore the thread if you cannot face the issue I raised. Issokay no vex, I thought you had a thicker skin than this. Bright men are not unnecessary emotional to the point that they prefer to discuss personalities rather than issues.

I see that your effeminate emotionalism also turned you into a shrink hence you were able to conclude from a few post that ndu_chucks is man of unbelievable nepotism suffering from superiority complex.

nwanne, I repeat, no one will force you to participate in the thread and if you are not emotionally balanced enough to address issues without being bent out of shape, please stay away from the thread. One would hope you were not crying when you made your last post. Pele o, ndo.

^^^ Its OK to focus on political leadership since we are in the Politics section.

In case you haven't noticed, all attempts to turn this thread into a tribal war and all ad hominem attacks on ndu_chucks have and will be ignored.

If you can't focus on the topic, get lost.

@ekt_bear, show me a post where I self-identified as a Muslim Northerner or a member of any other religious group. You are not known to be a liar, don't start now.

afam4eva: Now, what's your business with the leadership in Igboland. Why not focus on your part of the country or are you implying that the North produces better leaders than the South-east?

One would have to conclude that you are either an illiterate, a blind bat, or a wannabe bully. Who are you to tell me what the focus of a thread I opened should be? If you are not interested in the topic or not intelligent enough to discuss without unnecessary effeminate emotionalism, go and start your own thread or get out of this one.

Germannig: Get off your ignorance. Then for the same reason as you gave above, northern leaders and western leaders raised in the East make better leaders in their respective regions too. Are we agreed on that?

Possibly, though I am not aware of any. Please name only 2 of such leaders to solve my ignorance in this matter.

Katsumoto: Where in my post did I suggest that there are qualities in other regions that can be emulated by Igbo leaders?

manmi, these people read and interprete posts solely through the prism of tribalism and bigotry. You were kind to the dullard, I tried very hard not to curse him and the other narrow minded posters out but restraned myself domin ni mai tsoron Allah ne.

afam4eva: Shouldn't this also apply to other NIgerians too??

I never claimed that it does not apply to other Nigerians. My forcus is Ala Igbo and its leadership which has not yet figured it out. Trust me, they read these posts.

I believe that one of the main reasons why most of the current and past Igbo leaders have failed and continue to fail, is because of the issue I raised. I don't want to call it narrow mindedness.

Germannig: If it applies to every region like I already have concluded by my previous post, would it not be bigotry for the OP to make it an Igbo problem?
How can the North and West be the example that the East should follow when they have not set any example of leadership?

Can anyone give me one example of excellent leadership that the Igbo should copy from the North and SW?

nwanne m, for once, leave tribalism and bigotry behind and read what I wrote and Katsumoto's read of my initial post. As well summarised for you, the point is that Igbo leaders raised outside Alaigbo are indeed better leaders not because they learned good leadership qualities in other regions but partly because of exposure to other cultures and ways of life makes one a better leader and citizen.

I am now convinnced that the Igbo babe called ogugua88 is smarter that you cone heads - heads filled with akamu kawai.

Katsumoto: Regardless of region, all regions are lacking in truly self-less leaders. The truly self-less leaders in Nigeria like Amino Kano, Sam Mbakwe did not get the chance to lead their regions.

But I think the point Ndu_Chucks was trying to make was that Igbo leaders raised outside Alaigbo may be better leaders not because they learned good leadership qualities in other regions but perhaps exposure to other cultures and ways of life makes one a better leader and citizen. Surely, that will apply to all Nigerians.

Thank you for your objectivity which is devoid of tribalism and bigotry. This is why you are one of the most respected NLers after ndu_chucks.


[quote author=ekt_bear]this ndu_chucks fellow is obsessed with igbo sha

why are you so concerned about who they choose as leaders? What business is it of yours?[/quote]In case you missed it, I have the blood of all three major tribes in Nigeria flowing in me and I have a vested interest in the well being of ala Igbo and Ndigbo. I am particularly concerned about the damage being done to incoming generations of Ndigbo because of the leadership problem of Igbo leaders. This is not an obsession but genuine concern.


For the people who are quick to point their fingers Northwards and complain about the bad leaders in the North, I offer you two words to describe the repercusions of the said bad leadership - Boko Haram. Since these leaders do not want to learn, they are being forced to behave by Boko Haram.

Hopefully the BH movement/members will give up their weapons and criminal acts, and become a true political force. Our so called leaders nation wide are getting away with more than murder and robbing us completely blind without any negative repercussions.

Onlytruth: @Ndu_chucks,

Would you at least add the great Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu (the one and only Nigerian revolutionary) to your list?

I'm patiently waiting for the "correction".
"Na gode" in advance.

With your statement that Nzeogwu is one of your heros and leaders, you are contradicting Dede1 who stated that "anybody who had links to northern or western region of Nigeria and happens to appear in leadership position in Igbo land has been a source of failure baring none". I don't believe you want to go that route.

The current crop of Igbo leaders have failed miserably and future leaders must come from the areas stated, including diaspora if we hope for any kind of improvement. I think ogugua88 gets it.

[quote author=One_Naira]There is really no need to argue this with ndu_chucks

These three comments alone spoke volume in which he cannot deny nor try to avoid




The question is to Ndu_chucks and the other guy, if Igbo lacks so much political prowness, how come the region they preside is above yours? How come the ones with political prowness ruled Nigeria for eons and yet the nation is one of the most backward nation in the world?[/quote]Go and open a separate thread to discuss the questions you are asking. The focus of this thread is alaigbo, ndiigbo , and their leaders. Abi you get attention deficit disorder ni?

Dede1: My people say “uneasy rests the head that wears the crown”. You are the dogged exponent of northern and western regional leadership excellence and I guess you can tell if Chukwuma Nzeogwu falls into your silly parameter of such leadership excellence.

I'm not interested in playing dodge with you, so biko tell us without any fear of other Igbo NLers whether Nzeogwu was one of your outstanding leaders. It is also OK to reject him right now. I trust you are still fearless.

Dede1: @ndu_chucks

It is good you have voiced out one of the reasons you seem to shake uncontrollably at mere mention of disintegration of Nigeria. Anybody who had links to northern or western region of Nigeria and happens to appear in leadership position in Igbo land has been a source of failure baring none.

One would have to believe that your revered Nzeogwu Chukwuma was one such source of failure. That is, if you don't start denying that he was Igbo.

I see that dullards such as PointB and others have resorted to ad hominem attacks on ndu_chucks instead of addressing the issues raised. These dullards remind me this saying by our people "Okuko na-arogoro ite onu, chetekwe mma gburu ya" meaning (The chicken frowns at the cooking pot, ignoring the knife that killed (is killing) it). mumus

@Germannig: I've told you that I prefer to simplify things. Why don't you start from the governors of the SE in the past 10 years. Please rate them and my point will be clear - I expect that you know who those governores are (were).

sheyguy: May be the SEners who have lived a substantial part of their lives up north tend to appreciate that spirit of sacrifice that is found in the average northerners. The Northern leaders have looted the region no doubt but there are lessons to be learnt from their followers - contentment and sacrifice comes to mind here.

This is the kind of analysis and discussion I was expecting. Thanks. Hopefully more of this will follow.

PointB: So how do we approach this advise by my aboki?


Igbo leader are promising Igbo Biafra, pray what are Northern leaders promising their followers? 72 virgins? Grazing reserved? Niger Delta oil money?

The topic is about where the next crop of competent Igbo leaders should be pooled from. The region in focus is the SE and if you want to do a comparative analysis or discuss another region, feel free to open a thread. If you are too intellectually inferior to discuss a topic because it is uncomfortable for you to discuss, feel free to vamoose.

Your intellectual superiors such as sheyguy, Ogagu98 and Onlytruth will soon show up with objective discussion of the topic.

[quote author=alex_101]I'll advise sensible Igbos to ignore this thread and let it die a well deserved natural death . There is no need in paying mind to mallam ndu chuks whose region and people of the north are eternally confined to walls of failure.

BTW, I look forward to the moderators that will soon put this crap in the front page, since it contains Igbo in it, for it seems without Igbo/Biafra/Ojukwu, this site will be as worthless as the dungeon called nigeria .

IN ORDER TO GAIN "15min" NOTOREITY ON NAIRALAND, DO ONE OF THE FOLLOWINGS:

1. Start an Igbo/Biafra/Ojukwu thread.
2. Post lies about Igbo/Biafra/Ojukwu in every Igbo thread.

Do any of the above, and watch yourself become famous courtesy of Igbo/Biafra/Ojukwu.[/quote]You display the kind of attitude which your leaders use to keep Ndigbo backwards. Instead of discussing important issues ehich affect your lot, you'd rather sweep the elephant in the room under the carpet. Thankfully, real Igbos who have not yet been brainwashed are headed back East to take control of the place for good.

bayooooooo: Ndu_chucks,
Your post does not make sense. If North raise great leaders as your post seems to suggest, why is the region lagging behind others today? There are capable hands born and bred in each region. Stop this nonsense.

olodo, I am talking about Igbo people born and bred in the North. Stop trying to change my topic. Go and open your own thread if you want to examine issues affecting the Northern region.

I will make this post very simple and straight to the point. I am more than disappointed by the inept leadership which continues to emanate from the South East. The leaders, are nothing but a bunch of narrow minded rougues who thrive on keeping their people down with the promise of a biafra in the future.

This Igbo leaders have no true political skills or foresight. ka ma foro gun, the only Igbo people that can lead our people out of the mess are those who were born in the North or West, or those who have lived in these places for at least a decade.

If you don't believe me, let me point out that the most revered Igbo leader, Ikemba himself, was a Northerner at heart. Most will agree that Okorocha is turning out to be the best governor to ever rule in ala Igbo. Why, well, Okorocha spent most of his adult lie outside of Igbo land in Jos.

All is not lost, successful Igbo people whose foundation is in the North and elsewhere are beginning to move back to the East and Insha Allah, they'll take control and drive the Okija worshiping goons out of the region.

biko, ignore post. thx.

sashbaby: MUMU like u. Which violation of human right. U no WELL.

hey sashbabe, let me viiolate your own personal human rights na. I promise it will be harmless.

Why worry about this insult to our nation? Our able president and his diplomatic team are at work as we speak and the result of their competent deplomacy will become evident in a few short hours or days.

The Saudi's should not have issues visas to the women without issuing one to each companion of the women. GEJ should go and round up chioce Saudis who live in Lagos, PH, and Kano, areest and charge them with unfounded trumped up charges. They should be kept in kirikiri until the Saudis let our women go in peace. What nonesense!!

Awww. Good ol friendship. Olorun yio sho yin titi ipade yin. In the mean time, e ba mi wa number Isale_gan abi Desola abi Ileke. Awo omo yen ti sharm mi pelu intelligence.

9ja voice: Ohaneze ndi igbo na asopulu Mohammed means Ohaneze ndi igbo respects Mohammed.

looooool, olodo, I knew you people will never admit that some Igbo people who are Muslims support Mohammed. One thing is clear, the Igbo protesters support and respect Mohammed unless of course, their motive is money. I personally do not think so, their support is genuine. Deal with it.

By now it should be obvious that sopulu means support. The Igbo protesters should understand that O bu mmuo ndi na-efe na-egbu ha. Just make sure that the deity of yours is not money. nuff said.

rafhell: something is definitely wrong about those pixs.
those guys ain't igbos. some of them are corpers pretending to be igbos. check their shoe

Continue to deceive yourself. These are Igbo muslims who live in Kano and their participation in this protest may be a good move to purchase good will which can be cashed in whenever there is an uprising against igbos in the area.

Our Kano indigenes of Igbo extraction are represented in this protest.

I await the spin which our very own Eze Ndigbo Gburubguru of NL, Onlytruthprotester, will put on this one. Igbo Kwueze nu!!


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[quote author=Dudu_Negro]Ndu_chucks,

The bottom line is these cows are market goods. Herd them, ship them, truck them, rail them.....whichever way you choose they will get to the market. There are open alternatives for fulani to get his goods to market.

The farmer also has to get his produce to market. He will not have any produce for market after fulani has herded his cows through the farm.

Ogun state must protect productivity and protect ways of life for the farmers. Ogun state also have laws that guide shipment and haulage of goods and must enforce them.

The burden of proof is on the Federal Govt to come out and say by protecting farmers and productivity Ogun state has violated rights of fulani herders by blocking cattle from grazing on farms.

Tell GEJ or Arewa Consultative Forum or miyetti Allah to get their lawyers to take action against Ogun state.[/quote]You, of all people, should know that there is a clear distinction between settled Fulanis and the nomads. The settled Fulanis and other cattle traders, ship their cattle, truck them, rail them.....whichever way they choose to get them to the market. These traders are not the victims of the discrimination in question.

No court will classify nomadic herdsmen as big time traders with the option of transporting their goods to the market through conventional means. You people will pay dearly if you illegally mess with the herdsmen.

PhysicsQED: So when a ban is made until requirements for the herdsmen can be put in place to avoid clashes and deaths, your biggest concern is the temporary suspension of freedom of movement, not the deaths that will be prevented by the government taking the time out to address the problem? There is something very wrong with your way of thinking. Like I said, sue the Ogun state government. Take them to court and see if the courts will rule against them for trying to prevent violence and deaths. I want to see the outcome.

Since your main concern is the avoidance of clashes and deaths, let me state here that there has been less than 14 such clashes and hardly any death in Ogun state in 2012. It seems to me as if Ogun state should focus on repairing their roads and enforcing traffic laws of the state since those roads and lawless drivers have been responsible for the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of Ogun residents this year alone. This new law/ban by Ogun state is an overkill by any estimation. The overkill may not be unconnected with unfounded phobia and outright racism/tribalism.

I don't know whether they don't actually enforce such laws to some degree at the present, but this is a good suggestion. By enforcing such laws, many nomadic herdsmen can just be arrested outright the minute they step on anyone else's land, long before any crops are damaged. The only issue is whether the police will respond quickly enough before the trespasser grazes and moves on in search of the next piece of land to trespass on.

I agree with this but the herdsmen should not be singled out and punished because of the inadequacies of the police.

Farmers that want to use barbed wire will pay for barbed wire, and those that don't like it will do without it. They don't have to be forced to get barbed wire if they don't want it.

I also agree that farmers should not be forced to fence their properties, common sense should guide them towards protecting their products as civilized people do.

PhysicsQED: Although it doesn't look like the Ogun state government actually plans to ban Fulani herdsmen from their state permanently, I personally feel that nomadic herdsmen in general should be banned from places where they are not wanted and where their activities can lead to disputes and clashes.

Even if the ban was temporary, it is still a ban which restricts the free movement of the herdsmen in violation of the constitution. Not all these herdsmen are trouble makers or commit crimes in Ogun state.

Why can't Ogun officials enforce existing laws against trespassing and arrest anyone who breaks the laws? Why can't they educate their farmers on how to use barbed wires to protect their farms?

This is like saying, because a couple of Agberos stabbed passengers and others, as usually happens every so often at motor parks, then we will ban travelling by road which requires going to motor parks, until we find a way to reduce the criminal acts by a handful of agberos. SMH

PhysicsQED: Ndu chucks, I know about the fines (rather than compensation) that come with possession of alcohol in Kano and my point is that it is definitely in violation of the constitution of Nigeria. If that law can be put in place in clear and obvious violation of the constitution's protection of property rights because of the Islamic culture of the state of Kano, then I don't see how the migration of herdsmen cannot also be fully or partially blocked in a southern state just because it apparently violates freedom of movement. The lifestyle of the nomadic herdsmen is a threat to the lifestyle and property of farmers and other sedentary people in the south and the lifestyle and property of these people should be respected. If you have the funds, time and expertise, take the Ogun state government to court and see what happens. I'd be interested in knowing the outcome.

Frankly, if folks believe that the Kano law is unconstitutional, then they should take the state to court. I do not agree with the notion that "because one state has a law which violates the constitution" then another state, such as Ogun can perpetrate its own criminal violation of the constitution. For now, the Kano state law has not been tested in court or overturned by any court, so it remains the law of the land in Kano. Frankly, I don't believe Ogun state officials will or can enforce this new law/rule of theirs.