₦airaland Forum

[quote author=Real-Mccoy]Same Rhetoric white supremacist used when they said they want their country back after Obama won the election. Apart from the international airport, Sea Ports , Multinational companies, private business owned by non indigenes of Lagos what else is special about Lagos state? Please don't allow tribalism becloud your judgement . Yorubas are in Kano state, Abuja and Port Harcourt living very comfortable without been asked to leave and I bet their opinion is way differ from yours. Apart from Jakande that built a housing estate which other Lagosian did same for his people? Marwa is a northerner but never allowed his tribe to becloud his performance when he was building housing projects all over Lagos state. Your priority sir is to fight against dumping of refuse and thuggery before banning those that sees Okada as means of their income.[/quote]The rhetoric of white supremacist does not compare. The white supremacist are occupiers fighting to sideline another occupier on the land.

In Yorubaland we are talking about indigene taking their land back and asserting their traditional way of living. Chaos and disorderliness is foreign to this land, it came with foreigners and we are determined to expell all chaos and misfits on the land.....if it takes expelling non-conforming, non-rehabitable foreigners to get the job done, then so be it.

Yes, Yorubas live in other parts, thanks for bringing that in.....how many times have you read in news where Yorubas are causing mayhem or chaos in their host lands? People love to have us on their land because we make it better than we found it and if nothing else we never loose our heads and rampage on people land like we have no cultural training. People of high culture respect their culture and it shows in the way they equally honor other people culture when visiting their land. No Yoruba has ever said Kano or Onitsha or Port Harciurt belonged to him and he is never going back to west.

We know we are, at home or in Kano or Onitsha or Jos or Port Harcourt. We are different and we intend to begin teaching visitors on our land what that difference is.....you will live here in orderly fashion or yiu go back home with your chaos.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]Whatever happened to warning shots or shots to the legs?[/quote]....or even to his balls.

If nothing else stopped him i bet that would.

Theblessed: [size=16pt]Shock, ke??

You better fear Nigerian men! He had even done well and better than most.

Have we forgotten the package Abiola left behind?? [/size]

Make God bless al the men here so we can emulate Abiola...or surpass him sef. .

coogar: the full details is now an academic point with the loss of lives......no excuse can justify the death of 2 sons when the head of the house should be protecting them!

Protection, in the way you used it here is very relative. Is there anything to suggest they wiuld be alive if the father had not left Kano, or if he had relocated the whole family, or if he had moved them to Kaduna instead of Kano to begin, or if school was in session and they were in Jos instead of on holiday in Kano, or if.....

Families break apart everyday, its ugly. People die, whether in protective custody of their parents or not. This situation was murder....the criminals walked up or rode up to the innocent brothers and killed them. They came back to make sure they both were dead and if not to finish them off. We hear stories of theae killers raiding homes and killing entire household.....protective custody could not spare the children victims.

Bokoharam is bad...i suspect some youths are hiding under the cloak of bokoharam to singlehandedly patrol town for targets. It is bad up there and we should blame the environment that produces it, not a father.

Hillsborough is packed full of nuts. I had a friend who was a sheriff and left town to join Miami police. Hillsborough should be changed to Nutsborough.

Afam,

You are not listening. THE CALL TO RID YORUBALAND OF DISODERLINESS IS ON AND WE ARE MOVING FOOORRRRWARD WITH IT!

Did the yiuths in an Ekiti town chased their Oba out of his palace because he was not Yoruba, or because he defiled the land? Our land must be respected.

Baby mama: You are?
Hopefully you are not like this Dubem Ojukwu that won't allow his father RIP

Im muslim, Sharia has the best doctrine for handling estates, whether of the father or the mother.

Gej is clueless of the difference between the two and what they mean.

Baby mama: I thought someone said the man was not given a dime
Why then is he suing the family if he was put in the will?
These first sons sef,you folks should go out there and work and make your own money and stop sitting around like vultures waiting for your fathers to die and you come and start causing havoc.

watch your mouth, im a first son.

Baby mama: Let me teach you Igbo culture
Call it what you may but if a man did not carry wine and properly ask for a woman's hand in marriage and perform the necessary marital rights,the child in question cannot be counted as his children.
That is just the way it is
If a woman likes let her deliver triplets,all boys ,if he did not marry her in the proper traditional way before or after the birth,the children belong to the mother not the man and so have no inheritance unless the man chooses to recognize them in a will
Without a will he gets nada
I am surprised he is bearing Ojukwu as his last name
In Igboland if the mother was not a wife,the children bear their mother's last name
There is a clear distinction in Igbo custom between a wife and a concubine or mistress
They are not on equal footing
So the man should stop claiming first son,Ojukwu never married his mother and did not recognize him as first son. .

Babymama, your wahala too much. Odumegwu put the man in his will. Tell me my sista, in igboland does the culture overrides the will?

Ogojohn: THE LAGOS HOUSES WAS RETURNED TO THE REAL OWNERS.OTL. HIS FATHERS COMPANY

Ohh, thanks! I thought they were abandoned....getting ready to put my foot on it.

Andre Uweh: How about the houses in Lagos?. Who got them?.

...did you find who got these houses yet? You have 6 months, no.....make it 60hrs, to find who will get them.

[quote author=Real-Mccoy]I would be in support of those Yorubas claiming ownership to their land if it was Ibadan, the former capital of old western region . Area boys and NURTW are killing themselves in Mushin , are they not considered threat to lives and properties because they are Yorubas? London is considered second home to Yorubas , what if whites wake up tomorrow and says enough is enough for non white migrants taking over their jobs, wouldn't there be riots in London and demonstration at UK embassy in Lagos? I am now for one Nigeria as others and thereby understand it comes with a price tag( free flow of migrants). If you can't provide alternatives, just be quiet .[/quote]Provide alternatives to what?

Can we have an Eze of Lagos? No! Can we have a Sarki of Lagos? No!
Yoruba can occupy half of England if they want, can there ever be an Oba of England? No!

You need to separate political governance from land ownership and you will get a good grip of what this topic is about. Its not about the rights of non-Yorubas on Yorubaland....its about the rights of Yorubas to give orderliness to their land.

[quote author=Real-Mccoy]I would rather have Okada riders that area boys harassing innocent people. Why are you guys not considering Omo-onile ,NURTW and area boys menace to your society? No one called Lagos a Yoruba land when the state was been built with federal resources . The sea ports, Air port and other federal government own properties were built because it was one's the capital of Nigeria. Third main land bridge, Ikorodu road and other majors roads were not built by Yorubas... Most of the people here claiming to be Lagosian are migrants in the UK searching for greener pasture meanwhile they are speaking against those Nigerians that came to a former Capital to search for their own greener pasture. Most billionaires in Yoruba land made their money of oil block from Niger Delta given to them by their Northern friends.... Stop with the hypocrisy , you fought for one Nigeria and now you are complaining ? Eradicate area boys from your land first.[/quote]Lagos was not built by FG. The developments you listed were built by colonial govt. FG retained their maintenance after independence. The retainership if these developments ended when FG vacated Lagos.

The colonial tenure on the land was an outcome of a treaty with Oba of Lagos. So when colonial government ended the treaty naturally was never renewed by FG, which defaulted the land back into Oba's control.

Lagos State was created in 1967 and with it FG did not contest or stopped the Oba and the Lagos municipality from operating a parallel administration on the land. There was an attempt by FG to reclassify Lagos as FCT. Oba Oyekan shut it down. If it had succeeded in that attempt then the FG would have owned Lagos municipality and your claim of its role as a nationally owned city would have been accurate....fortunately for the land owners, it served only as a capital territory and not a Federal posession as would have been the case had FG won. The territorial statute is itself expired upon move to Abuja and the land once again defaulted back to Oba and his chiefs. Fashola serves under the decree of May 1967 that created Lagos State. If that decree is annulled Fashola would have no power....but decree or no decree, constitutiin or no constitution, Nigeria or no Nigeria.....Oba and his Chiefs remain the natural owners of Lagos.

alj harem: + 100000 gbam

Alhaji, which kin shift you get for nairaland....one day on, two weeks off. Lol

dayokanu: Father went to Lagos(Abidjan in search of peace and left his wife and kids (Women and Children) at the mercy of Boko Haram
Coincidentally the father is from Nnewi like the famous warlord

..Chineke

Ngwanu ndigbo, bia reba....dayo don start again o.

afam4eva: No, i'm not deviating.

I stand by my assertion that one of the reasons why Lagos receives a huge allocation is owing to it's huge population.

This is simply a conjecture. Lagos has more population but receives less than Kano. Beside, the focus remains that there are "irritants" that impact way of life....such human conducts and behaviors that are dis-harmonious to the orderly and organized way of traditional culture and life style in Yorubaland. Until recently when immigrants brought with them their chaotic and disjointed way of living to infest in Yorubaland we are never known to be a land of chaos and disorder. Its time to bring back orderliness. If okada operators want alternative employment there are welcoming markets to accept them....in Kano, Kaduna. The same conatitutional right they claim for presence in Lagos extends and is guaranteed to them in bokoharam territoty.

So they have a choice.....and the government has a plan.

99. University of Lagos now owned by Tinubu, the ownership was transferred by a decree signed into law by Fashola.

100. Lagos City Hall, certificate of ownership first registered to oando plc, now transferred to Tinubu.

101. Tafawa Balewa Square, the arcade plaza, containing more than 100 store fronts and serving as a bridge across the east wing is now owned by Tinubu.

102. Lagos Lagoon, stretching from its inlet at Ikoyi end, past Kuramo, past Idumagbo and ending at Ebute Ero and comprising to its corresponding northpoints at Iddo, Ijora, Apapa are all the waterfront property of Tinubu. All jetty owners are advised of the change of ownership and the expected impact on their lease and taxes going forward.

....ohh yeah, forgot Arts Theater...

102. The National Arts Theater at Iganmu has been in abandonment and therefore in retainership with the Lagos State Govt. Fashola has leaased it to Tinubu.

What else can we sell to this poor guy, anybody got ideas

May their souls rest in peace.

Father left "hot" Kano, and like many of his igbo brothers, to live among accomodating Yorubas and complain about Fashola and bad roads and toll gate.

Baby mama: So why on earth did this used up Bini retired prost.stitute decide to give them an Igbo name as her name
How annoying
She looks like a typical Bini girl from head to her hammer toes
Speaks with Bini area accent
Pronounces how as ow,husband as usband and have as ave like Bini ,some Ijaws and Yorubas do
Igbos don't have that H/non H speech defect
It is quite annoying that she will give a fake ID and an Igbo one at that,most likely she has returned home to continue her trade with local men without a madam since she is still full of lies
The first step to her recovery is coming clean with her true identity or at least choose one from her tribe if she must lie
Is that the new method now,Women turning tricks in Italy and france from the land that exports Prost.itutes to Europe now claiming Igbo names?when I read the story and saw the name I said no way,then saw the clip and heard her speak and confirmed it.God punish her!
Amaka Chinye indeed

They know exactly what they are going for before setting off,some are sponsored by family members with the blessings of their family including husbands.these are no naive women
These people may even be making passports in these fictitious names

A 22yr old spirited girl left her loved ones behind to find her independence and direction in life. She crossed the Sahara to the Meditteranean coast. I can imagine the unspoken ordeal she encountered along the way. She went under the management of a cold hearted woman like "baby mama". The girl's spirit was strong and determined in its desire to scale the obstacles....but when it was no longer possible to fight forward, she abandoned the front and returned home for a relaunch of her determination to succeed.

Instead of cheerigng for her, stoopid baby mama worries about her articulation. She does not speak English grammar like Igbo, does not pronounce oil "oyel", so she must be other than Amaka. Call her Bisi, Biodun, Taiye......give her a new identity, call her Origbemi, Fagbemi, Ogungbemi, Oluwagbemi, because thats what she is, a survivor!

She is a stronger person than baby mama right now.

shymexx: I need Katsumoto and Chief Negro on this thread....

I'll like to learn from you guys...

Cheers...

My Ijebu brother,

My contributions will be wholly from oral accounts. For various reasons, I have deep and rooted interest in Epe than I do Ikorodu, even though my heart beats passionately for everything Ikorodu.

So to all my lovely Ijebu people...Ijebu alare, eweso o!

First, I should ask why is Epe an Ijebu town and not an Eko town?

Katsumoto: There are two wars that come to mind but I believe its the second one

1. Balogun Agoro was murdered at Makun in 1848 after being advised (warned by Nabintan of Makun). The Ijebu Epe laid seige to Makun until starvation occurred. The Makun then appealed to Awujale Anikilaya. Awujale brokered peace but as soon as the Makun came out, Balogun Omini shot Nabintan dead. Omini and his supporters, fearing the wrath of the Awujale, then went into hiding until Kosoko interceded on their behalf with the Awujale.

2. In 1863, Governor Freeman proposed a treaty with Epe to abolish slavery. But the Epes under Posu, Kosoko's chief, who benefited from slavery refused and prepared for war. It would take the British three attempts to subdue Epe and that was how Epe was incorporated into Lagos.

Ikorodu, another Ijebu town was included with Lagos after the Ijaiye war in 1865.

Thanks, the first one, the war of 1848 is one I made reference to. Kosoko had alsosettled Palma and Lekki. When he returned to Lagos, Posu and few other Chiefs stayed behind but Oshodi left with him. This war had another name and I must recollect it and put it in writing now....the custodian of the oral version is dead.

The exchange of Lekki-Palma for annuity to Kosoko accelerated the British access ti Palma. Palma had been Kosokos slave depot. The British stationed a naval patrol post there. If Kosoko had held on to Palma the history of Epe, as captured in 2 and the bombardment, would have taken a different turn.

What Kosoko and his chiefs could not do successfully in Eko they accomplished in Epe. The British realized this and so to keep from stoking their fires they waited untill Kosoko was dead and Oshodi was dead to attack Posu in Epe....and even in their decimated numbers, the Epe settlers remained defiant. While colonialists and their missionaries were setting up churches and chriatianity all around native lands on the coast they stayed their distance away from Epe.

Sad stort but im happy for her strength and self-rescue.

She said the madam took lawyer with her to get her from Italy across into France. They used underground racket and bypassed bureaucracy to get her into France

occam: Now the issue of banning Okada has turned into tribal chest beating and mudslinging

No matter the city Enugu, Aba, Lagos or Kaduna these bikers have become a menace and should be banned. Given the population and importance of Lagos, its more urgent.

People need to chill and remember that Lagos is not a Yoruba enclave. It's a vibrant city that’s thriving due to the diversity of tribes who call this city home. I say this as a Yoruba who grew up in Lagos.

There's diversity in every city of Nigeria. There is no one city peopled by only the origins of the land its located in. The focus is on social order and the impact of lawlessness on the conscience and spirit of people.

Yorubaland has its own moral codes and etiquettes regarding society and social interaction and these codes extend broadly all over the West wherever Ogboni existed. If Ogboni exist in Lagos, then Lagos, as many colored as its diversity is, is a Yoruba enclave.

Oh, ahem, Katz...its Chief Negro. You like starting fires

You are correct Katz.

As many wars as they fought, it would be foolhardy to give them victory in everyone. They lost in the battle for Epe settlement in around 1850 as well and for the life of me I cant recall the name of that war.....but they sustained their aggression untill ultimately Epe fell into their fold.

Not enough has been written or could be written to do justice to the history of Ijebu. While the Oyo cavalry were well respected and honored for their horsemanship and brigandage, the Ijebus hardly are reckoned for their naval and marine tactics.

Inna Lillahi wa Inna Illahi Rajiun. May her beautiful soul rest in peace.

Wow!

MegaMan2020: Why should Yoruba governers be saddled with all this igbo Rif Raff that has flooded Lagos? Ban the Okadas the population will drop down to a manageable size again. The Igbos flood into the city by these thousands every single day. They're now flooding into different parts of Yorubaland like locusts. It's getting too much now

They are setting up satellite camps in West.

There is a thread here on the Yoruba Kiriji wars and I believe every Yoruba sons and daughters need to read that thread and pay close attention to the grievances that led to these wars and the treaties that resulted from it.

In particular reference I would love to mention my beloved Ijebu people. In countless reports by the Portuguese and then later the British, we were told how the riverines and the creeks were monopolized by the Ijebus who on many occassions waged wars against neighbors, Europeans were not spared in the bloodshed, in a rivalry for trade monopoly. Whoever controlled the waterways ruled market and pricing and Ijebus gave their lives, not just for control of the waters but indirectly also to serve as the godfathers to inter-exchange between the coast and the hinterland.

If Igbos succeed, unhindered and unimpeded, in rooting satellite camps from which to network trade and market in entire Yorubaland, then they will be sitting in the same position that the Ijebus were many many years ago. Its not about war or open hostilities, its about posessions.......land and right of way concessions. There are many aspects of this and how to counter it which I cant even and wont ever dare write in a public forum, but we need to study the Ijebu strategy and how it spread its tentacles and became an empire in its own right.

Katsumoto: But trains will not get folks to their homes. When they get down from the trains, they still need to get to their final destination.

I once saw a picture of what looked like a car parking lot, much smaller in size but similarly open, instead of cars they had rows and rows of bicycles in silver colors and black colors and many of them were close enough to read the brand "Swan" stamped on the post. On first view I mistook it for a bicycle dealership store front...its the only way I could imagine so many bicycles parked at a spot at same time.

I dont know if anyone here know who Peter Obe was. I suspected at one time that naptu was Peter Obe or his son or relative, given the many historical pictures he brings here. Anyway, for those who do not know, Peter Obe was a photo journalist, he freelanced. I saw this picture Im describing in his studio.

The bicycle parking lot was actually a park-and-ride for residents of Lagos Island who worked in the outskirts like Oshodi, Agege and so on.

There was a short train that commutes workers between Iddo terminus and the outskirts and these people rode bicycle across Carter bridge, park at Iddo, hop on train and go to work. Businesses and Industries built their plants and warehouses and offices close to the rail system back then. The workers get off at their stop and walk the short distance to clock in. There were workers in Ilupeju, Oshodi, Ikeja, Agege that lived on Island and went back and forth like this. This was in the 60s and into late 70s.

We can do park-and-ride again and there are many options open to us today than they had in that age.

Afam,

You can attest to the fact that of all participants in nl no one advocates for social policies for the people more than myself. There are many aspects of this "alternative employment" argument that are just completely irresponsible. If Lagos begins to provide alternative employment guess what the few left in villages in East and North will do?

There is no city in the world that receives as much visitors and foot traffic per square inch of public space per year than Mecca. Mecca has the most strict law enforcement than all US law enforcement agencies combined.

Lagos has many legacy laws on books that needs to be enforced to bring back sanity to the city. You said it was the capital therefore it cannot be compared to others. Okay, if you will follow down that path then we should bring out all the laws in force when it served as capital and re empower Lagos City Council to bring out the health inspectors, the town hall councils, the street ordinances, the building codes and all the rest of these laws that are in the books and no one is enforcing. You think Fashola 's taxes and laws are oppressive, dont let them throw the LCC books at you, half immigrants in Lagos will voluntarily deport.

In a democracy no government owe anybody a means of livelihood, indigene or non indigene....you fend for yoursel but while doing so you respect law and order. It is irresponsible to suggest that Lagos must provide "alternative employment" to buy people out of commiting crime or violating the law and ordinances of the city. Thats AMNESTY, SouthSouth style!

In Yorubaland we dont buy out crimes and lawlessness, we manage it responsibly.

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