₦airaland Forum

Tony Spike: Dudu and energy48, I believe both of you are correct except that onus of the Hebrew proof is being dissected from different views according to your understanding. Energy48, by the way Dudu_negro believes that ancient Hebrews were not the only semitic settlers. Infact, Lange proves this in his research that some elements of Assyrians and Babylonians might have indeed settled here too. However, there is a strong evidence that the Hebrews had a higher population among the migrant lots as reflected by the Yoruba customs and practices. I will appeal that you guys should please agree to disagree. Thanks.

I want to believe so. I hate that each time this discussion come up the dialogue is done in a new thread and rob us an opportunity to maintain a consistency and continuity in a single thread. I am very open to knowledge, but im also shrewd and discriminating and would not bother to acquire what does not fit in with the land.

I like what energy wrote and i have questions but hopefully this Thursday or Friday I can dedicate time to dialogue extensively on this iissue here.

In the past I have brought up an interest with NL mods to create a structure that allows for historical indexing of reference threads. Maybe some of you can add voice. We currently have plenty of topics on Oduduwa, Ife, Lamaraudu, Yoruba wars, Yoruba art, Odu Ifa....and so on.

Energy, I have started on your book but I do not have the luxury of time to sit and read through. I promise to read entire book before coming in here later this week to discuss. I believe as Tony had said, there is no disagreement on the roots, we want to know when the people became a commonwealth under a Yoruba flag and why. On a different note, a person whi speaks half Yoruba and contributes truth to the historical knowledge is far more valuable than one who speaks it fluently and lack the whereabout of his beginnings.
There are different views, like stones in a stream we have rubbed against and polished the roughness out of one another, we should now be civil and use smoothness to explore the truth of Yoruba origin, land and people.

Gotta go....

Tony Spike: This is absolutely correct. This has been proved over and over again in different articles.

LAMURUDU = NAMURUDU = NIMROD/NIMRUD

Yes sir!

In fact, all the below are naming patterns or sequence exclusive to Akkadian/Assyrian culture and the hook in them is the ...MARE....

OloduMARE
LaMARudu
MARaducch

dayokanu: Have you ever considered that the NIMROD referred to might be Lamurudu father of Oduduwa

Nimrod the son of Cush, grandson of Ham, great-grandson of Noah. Cush is also known as Egypt and Ham was black I think

And Opa Oramiyan might be Staff of Orion

http://www.africastyles.com/blackhistory/yoruba_history2.html

http://yemitom./tag/lamurudu/

Dayo, you are correct.

Bello said Yoruba is the remnants of the sons of Canaan, the people of Nimrod......which clearly puts them geopolitically in Afro Asia.

These overnight scholars like Energy want to cling to the idea that if it wasnt for Bello Yorubas would not know who they were....and still they deny or refuse to accept and admit the second part of the revelation from Bello, which is, the people are migrants out of Afro Asia.

Bello might be the first to document it but his documentation of this account in no way makes it a new knowledge or previously non-existing.

If I say to an American that I am Yoruba but he turns around and write a manuscript in which he introduces me as a Nigerian, does that mean I had no clue I was a Nigerian.

This fool, Energy, said British were the first to name us Yoruba. Really?? They named Nigeria from river Niger. What was the root or source from which British colonialists minted the term or name Yoruba?

Energy48: You tell me! You claim you know Yoruba history past 200 years. So you have a name that we all know started with Crowther. What were the people called before Crowther christened them Yoruba? It is simple answer if you know Yoruba history. And here is a hint. The Fulani in Bello's time NEVER called the people Yoruba. That name started with the colonialists and has since become established.

I dont even know why i need to prove Yoruba history to a non Yoruba. Just sit on the side with your new found history book and let people whose ancestral roots is Yoruba talk about genuine stuffs.

I think Fashola focuses too much on the outside.......Yoruba is not taught in the classrooms but Chinese is. What a dumb vision!!

Energy48: My friend, prior to Crowther christening the people Yoruba, that was not their name.

So who coined Yoruba and what does it mean? If it was coined by the fulanis then it must mean something in Fulani. What does it mean?

Energy48: What is that supposed to mean? That you are some kind of authority on Yoruba history? From the little I have read from you about the Yoruba, I am fully convinced you know very little about Yoruba history. Hence I wont waste my time digging up anything YOU have written about the Yoruba past.

Are you the author of this book you are sponsorig for free read or are you convert of the history the book propagates?

Energy48: The fact remains, if someone does not know their history past 200 years. Such a person has no right coming up with statements like and I quote; "Yoruba is never a lost tribe of anybody...Yoruba has roots in Afro Asia but as a proto Semitic and legitimate branch of the Noahdic lines.....Yoruba is not of that line or anybody's line beside Noah's, period!" Unquote. Doing so is tantamount to the BLIND leading the blind.

.......but I know my history past 200yrs.

Energy48: The Hebrews came to settle in Africa THREEE THOUSAND YEARS ago not a few hundred years ago. The mistake you and others make is assume we are talking about 200 years of Yoruba history. The fact of the matter is Bishop Crowther wiped out Yoruba history when he changed the people's name to Yoruba. Hence most Yoruba people can't tell their History past when Crowther changed the name. Despite this tragedy in history some like to maintain the ignorance. Not anymore! The people needs to know their true identity and it is not Yoruba, but HEBREW.

Bishop Crowther did not wipe anything out in history. If anything he did wromg it would be the latinization of Yoruba alphabets.

Yoruba as a term of usage for the people preceeded Sultan Bello. If Bello called us Yoruba, where did he get this term from.? Did he invent it or heard it passed down? People that have no knowledge of who Qahtan was are readily cliging to what was first written about Yoruba, which came down from Bello.....but what about unwritten knowledge that survived oral transmission, should we reject them? Yoruba was not given to us by Bello, it was not guven to us by Crowther and neither was it given to us by British. We have always had and known ourselves to be Yoruba.

Energy48: And you say so because you are the authority on Yoruba history? I bet you don't even know Yoruba history going past when Bishop Crowther changed the people's designation to Yoruba - about 200 years ago. But here you are making big talk claiming ancestry all the way to Noah. Can you prove any of that? Why don't you start by telling us what the Yoruba were called before Bishop Crowther christened the people Yoruba. Do that to show your knowledge of Yoruba history is not limited to 200 years information and then we will know you are the knowledgeable person we should listen to.

I believe I have enough posts in NL to take you from Oduduwa to Noah.. Search different archived topics on Oduduwa and you will find my link of him to Joktan (Qahtan).

......how much una want bet, Chime has been kidnapped!

Yanmiri go kidnap hin own papa, talkless governor. They want build mansion for Lekki by all means.

[quote author=uj_sizzle]What's with the sudden Israeli craze in Nigeria?

What's inIsrael that everyone wants to be a part of?

First igbo, now yoruba. Tomorrow Hausa go say dem be Israelites too. Make una kuku carry naija deposit for dea.
People no just proud of their heritage again.[/quote]Yoruba is never a lost tribe of anybody...Yoruba has roots in Afro Asia but as a proto Semitic and legitimate branch of the Noahdic lines.

Ibo claim they are descendants of children of Israel. Yoruba is not of that line or anybody's line beside Noah's, period!

Lol... Lagos was not developed by FG. You have no clue what development is if Ibadan, to you, is nothing but a slum.

When you get your compass properly calibrated and oriented to true North, not magnetic North...but true North, then return for dialogue and lessons.

Chucks,

You've lost ya dayamn mind!

@OP,

You made a very good observation and one that Nigerians generally need to pay attention to and learn from. Government can put anything on the citizenry they want, its left to the citizenry ti accept or reject it. In this case the name change is rejected.

When they came up wih six political zones, people did not like it but thy did not reject it either so it stuck.

Lessons going forward, the people have power to legitimize government order or to reject it....simply by doing what was done in the example you cited.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]I am 100% sure that you do not really believe the bolded in red above. I also do not want to believe that you are publicly and unapologetically admitting that you are a dishonest professional. Please stop deceiving the youths who may read your post. With a good head and business plan, and enough capital, you can build and grow a business and amass wealth honestly.

The problem with most people who believe that you have to be dishonest to be successful in business, is mainly ignorance. Most do not know how to access the billions of naira available to them for business startup costs e.t.c. They believe in the easy way of obtaining capital i.e. theft, kidnapping, looting and the like.[/quote]So far...., so far, I have not said you have to be dishonest to be successful. Kukuwenu is a dramatic person and loves to ride on sentiments. What im saying is...read my lips,

......a new definition for success is emerging in our increasigly capitalist lifestyle and those who dream of living it big, as im sure there is no human being that doesnt, need to be conversant with the way this new rule works and aspire to bring it to their own and loved one's benefit.

Not amassing wealth honestly and being dishonest in business practices are totally different. I am not preaching dishonesty.

Honesty is a value and derivative of moral conscience. Capitalism and morality are at opposite and polar ends of one another.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]This is a narrow minded and disgraceful admonition. While some of you believe that you have to eat with the devil to survive in Nigeria, many young and aggressive youths are quietly building wealth through hard work and plain honestly.

You and others who share your this view of yours, are sooner going to encourage a military takeover and the summary elimination of you and your fellow looters. Mark my words, one day go be one day.[/quote]This insight that you condemn as "narrow and disgraceful" is the reality of all capitalist systems all over the world.

It is by grace of an effective law enforcement that Ameruca has not become like Nigeria. Every successful American likes to boast of hard work and honesty, yntil you start spot checkig their tracks and discover the general left a multitide of dead bodies on the front. If you take away law enforcement in America for a month the resultig lawlessness and chaos would force Americans to grab their passports and get the h*ll out.

There is no one in a capitalist system who amassed wealth and success honestly. Nigerian economy is a mixture but it is increasingly leaning capitalist and the law enforcement is inversely getting worse.

......and i forgot to add to the response on "Lagos was developed as a capital" point.

Abuja should be the one labeled as a developed city on capital status. Abuka was a bush, nobody knew the place, no history, no international market, beside Gwari farmers nobody goes there. Look at Abuja now!

So yes we can say Abuja has special status and wholly developed for its status as capital but that will be untrue for Lagos.

PointB: this is incorrect. people migrate to places because of 'development.' provide same in their domain and they will stay.

asking for special status for lagos is a lame excuse for more money when fashola could simply prevent tinubu from milking lagos for himself. other zones need to be developed.

So why arent these places in SE getting developments? Your governors do not face the problem of high population density like Lagos, Kano, Ibadan but yet collect huge chunks of allocation....what do they do with the money if they are not using it for development?

Ibadan was the largest and most populous urban center only behind Cairo in the entire Africa and it stayed in that position uptill shortly after independence. People came to Ibadan from all over West and North Africa.

Kano was a huge city and a center of trade and learning and West Africans and Northern Africans came to Kano to settle and live. Exports, imports....huge market exchange across the Soudan goes through Kano.

No place in SE can boast of any market of comparable standard and scale as these two and I say if it wasnt so in the history, it can happen now.....yourpeople can change history. You can surpass Ibadan, Kano, Lagos. How are you going to do it point B?

You need schemes and projects funded by governors of your states to make the region attractive to trade and business.

Do you know what makes a woman hot and appealing? Its a magic called "come get me". Women that understand how this magic work attract a fitting partner and they keep him locked in. If he tries to leave they bring out "come get me" and he changes his mind and stays.

SE states need a couple of "come get me" projects. Do not wait on FG, your people and your governors must begin the small and medium scale renewal and then invite investments from FG for the high scale build out.

eaglechild: What are u trying to say?
Lagos has been the nation's capital and it's development results from oil wealth derived from the SS and SE not from any stroke of genius of the state govt.
IMO Lagos is largely self sustaining and even though governing it may seem demanding, there's is a lot of resources to do that.

People who are unfamiliar with the history of Lagos always use its status as former capital to buttress their points.

Lagos was already a political state before colonialists came. Lagos had developments that even the white settlers chronicled as a parallel to some of their own cities in Europe.

Lagos had diplomatic relations with Portugal, its principal European trade partner and Oba of Lagos used to send emissaries to Lisbon.

Learn and shut up about capital status being the reason Lagos developed. Why wasnt Calabar developed or Warri or Zungeru, these were all old capitals.

PointB,

Development follows population. When SS and SE attract migrants like Lagos does, Im sure development will come.

Regardless if you are using Apple OS or Android you will need an installed epub reader to view the downloaded copy of the free book. I use android and got the one below from playstore.

1. Type it into your search field in play store apps, download and install, then open after installed.

.epub reader for android.

2. You can then use the epub app to search and locate the book in your phone. Mine was in downloads folder. After i opened it it was ok for read.

Tony, wassup my man. yeah you were correct all along about Ila and Ela being the same and Ora or Ur being same and meaning luminance.

In Yoruba, ora, orun are all same and mean something that is luminent.
There are so many Yoruba terms derived from this word of luminence.

Oru - night sky
Iran - an illuminated mind
Irawo - star galaxies

The Egyptians "ra" came from it.

Ibrahim or Abraham, is synonymous with it.

Ab or Ibn.....ascendant/descendant
Ra................luminence
Him..............divinity

In Islam you can hear it in prayers of the opening chapter..fatha.

Bismillahi RAhmani RAhim.
In the name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful.

As you read more about light, luminence and God....the Chapters of Genesis reveals itself and you begin to see a deeper meaning and understanding of human nature and its mysteries.

This is the whole concept behind Illuminati and all these mystical orders.

If you come in as a Christian biased against Islam and Judaism and other world religions and manuscripts they put you at the bottom and begin to cleanse the bias out of you. If you are Muslim that dont believe in Ifa....by the time you get to the 33rd you will embrace the teachings of Ifa as a part and parcel of humanity.

On Oyo, I have done some digging to that in past and couldnt readily arrive at any conclusion but got some leads.

On Dierk, its not just name of Oyo Kings that are matched but also of places.

There are about five matched names of ancient towns that I found. Ibadan being one of them. Do you read the Odus...pay attention to named places inthe Odus they will lead you if you inspect them. Offa is also another one in that Afro Asia region.

Gotta go...see you again soon.

How come nobody remember? If na Ojukwu birhday igbos go remember am.

Happy Birthday o jare Nnamdi Azikiwe.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z5fQ9oaVU8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqjVM6FxeHg&feature=youtube_gdata_player


...the Hausa Fulani Yoruba oligarchs and the Sokoto Caliphate!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8-KzwXNqMk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Okoroman is gone wild....on fire bwoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUwV0cKhfhY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Yoruba sabi butcher name abeg....we took Saddiq and made it Sindiku. We turned Abubakar to Bakare.

There is no Abdul without an an associating attribute.
Similarly, Abubakar is not a stand alone, it comes with names like Saddiq, Alli and so on. I have even hrard some of us Yorubas cslled it Abu Sondoko.

Anyway, to all of you folks I have a message....Nigeria has abundant wealth. Our focus is consumed by oil revenue. We hardly ever talk about revenue from agro products or other mined minerals but there are billions coming from these non-oil resources. So when you add the oil and non-oil then you get a mega reserve of money sitting in the stewardship of a circle of looters.

An holier-than-thou preacher that socializes with this circle has no chance of keeping faith for long...he or she will soon be consumed by the corruption. Nigerian people are ruled by the constitution. Every power in the constitution originally intended for the people have been hijacked by this circle of looters. They purposely write the constitution to befuddle the people....unfortunately, the people themselves are too indolent and dependent that they automatically accord honor and faith in anything written and not caring to inspect and contest the material.

So the poor people who live under the burden of this constitution regard it as a golden rule and contest with one another who is right who is wromg instead of contesting the document itself. I am guilty of this charge myself. Meanwhile, the circle of looters live above the constitution......it does not bother them what its provisions are unless it ties into their back channell rewards.

Therefore, my admonition to you folks is to find your own way into the circle and stay in the circle for as long you can. Do it for you, do it for the women in your life, do it for your children, do it for your parents and do it for your relatives.

The new success in Nigeria is not title or position or credentials......the new definition of success is accessing the circle of looters and staying in there.

^^^

Odumchi, you see i told you! You have a yeye persin on your panel. Fire this rascal

Fashola, slow down!

There is not going to be any special consideration for any land in the constitution. Fashola is over-reaching. No land or people has any special status or should be designated as such. What if Kano wants a special status...then soon Enugu will want a special status just so it can have equity interest in the benefits that such statuscendows. Well pretty soon the status will loose meaning.

Abuja is already a special status....thats it, no more! I am surprised to hear Fashola(SAN) talk in this manner.

May the soul of the departed one rest in peace!

D a m n!!!

Physics,

I read your last post and the arguments . I need you to do me favor....would it take anything away fron you to change your name from PhysicsQED to "ProsecutorQED"? . .

Physics go take question kill persin for hia

....lol, na you sabi