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Yampotatocarrot:
So them need swim before helping? Na to just accept one or two persons for their boat na

Well, if you believe videoing was the best thing to do, no problem

If they try to help them get on board their boat, there own boat too may capsize.

MaxInDHouse:
It means you don't understand what the Bible is saying regarding the new heavens and new earth as Revelations 21:1 say God is creating a new heaven and earth and the sea is no more.
Isaiah revealed that the sea doesn't mean literal water where fishes live, definitely the heavens and earth means something else!

You Jehovah witnesses are in grave error but you don't know it. If you read them in context to you will discover that nonethose scriptures I gave are symobolic. They are all meant to be taken literally.

I am done talking with you.

Janosky:
Is Isaiah 57:20 not in your Bible?
Bros read and study your Bible and stop listening to pastpreneurs

Isaiah 57:20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.


What has the above scripture got to do with the issue on ground. That was how the other follow listed scriptures that are not relevant to the issue on ground.

shadeyinka:
Point of correction. You should say "I agree with the scriptures that we will live forever on earth as the Scripture teaches.." Of course, it's a new heaven and a new earth. The Scripture didn't say we won't be able to go to heaven either, for we'll possess a glorified body which like Christ's after resurrection can move from earth directly to heaven.

Thanks for the correction but note that every christian who dies before the rapture will go to heaven as bodyless spirits.(Hebrew 12:23) At the rapture they all will receive glorified human bodies.Christians who are alive during the rapture will also have their bodies transformed to a glorified one. We all will live forever with God in the new earth.The new earth will not need sun or moon light because the glory of God will be the source of it's light.

MaxInDHouse:
The NEW heaven and earth are not literal!

According to the promises of God the earth will remain forever {Genesis 8:21-22 compare to Psalms 78:69, 104:5, 119:90; Ecclesiastes 1:4}
Note how Revelations 21:1 presented the riddle "And i saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heavens and the former earth have passed away and the sea is no more"

"the sea" there connotes crooked minded, and devious individuals who don't want any specific code of conduct to be upheld, so God's word says they're tossed about like the waves of the sea! Isaiah 57:20

So whenever we read anything that sounds different from God's original purpose in the beginning later in the scriptures, we know that it's part of those things God promised to say in symbolic terms so only the wise will decipher. Daniel 12:10

If you wish to know the interpretation of the symbolic heaven and earth you can contact any of JWs in your neighbourhood, my brothers and sisters will feel obliged to help you!

Johovah witnesses are a joke. Every scripture is symbolic to them even it it obvious to all that they are not

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Contrary to what the Bible teaches. The earth is going for remain forever. (Psalm 78:69, 104:5, Ecclesiastes 1:4)


Context isn't to be ignored. Peter drew an analogy with the Flood in Noah's day.
He said that the world(human society) of that time suffered destruction by water. (2Peter 3:5-6)
In verse 7, Peter says But by the same word i.e. in like manner, the heavens(governments) and earth(wicked human society) that exist presently are reserved for fire.
Fire being a symbol of destruction symbolizes total annihilation of the ungodly people.



Peter and John were speaking in symbolic terms. The “heavens” represents the ruling class, a government presiding over a set of people.
The “earth” symbolizes the human society.

To further buttress this point, at Ephesians 6:11-12, Paul mentioned that Satan and the demonic forces were exercising their authority from “heavenly places” That is, Satan has in his power, the governments of the world that rule over this present “earth” or human society. It's an established Biblical fact that the whole world presently is being controlled by Satan and his demons.(John 12:31, 1John 5:19, Revelation 12:9)

Also, Genesis 11:1 says that “all the earth[the human society] continued to be of one language”.
You can't mistake Genesis 11:1 to mean that the literal ground/literal earth spoke a language. Rather from context, it clearly shows that “earth” is referring to a set of people.

If you wish to know what the “new heavens and new earth” stand for, please use this link: https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20060515/Gods-Purpose-for-the-Earth-Soon-to-Be-Fulfilled/
It's a relatively short read.




It is commendable that you accept the view of Jehovah's Witnesses according the Bible.
Humans are indeed meant to live forever on earth, but according to the Bible, there are certain criteria one must pass first.
To have everlasting life on earth, one MUST take in knowledge about Jehovah God and Jesus Christ and align himself with Bible standards.(John 17:3)
There is no provision for observers and spectators.[/quote]Johovah witnesses are a joke. Every scripture is symbolic to them even it it obvious to all that it is not

DappaD:
I'll give this reply to you because you seem reasonable.
Job didn't and isn't going to see God literally. It's just like it was written that Jacob and Moses saw God “face to face” (Genesis 32:30, Exodus 33:11) but in reality, it was an angel of the true God who they saw and manifestations of divine power. (Genesis 32:24, Exodus 19:16)
The same way too, Job isn't saying he will see God literally, rather he saw the expression of God's power when He answered him(Job) out of the windstorm(Job 38:1)

Jesus also said that apart from him, no man had ever ascended into heaven before. (John 3:13)
The way to heaven was opened to faithful ones after Jesus' death, when God's holy spirit came upon 120 disciples first, and anointed them as joint heirs/rulers with Christ.(Acts 2:1-10)

Really, when you think about it, the teaching that everybody will go to heaven is a really absurd one, because when God created the earth, he made it man's home(Genesis 2:15)
He gave the earth to humans to tend for it and inhabit it(Psalm 115:16)
He never said the earth was a “testing ground” as false religionists would have it.
His decision for humans to occupy the earth has not changed.(Isaiah 45:18) because the earth will remain forever, never to be destroyed(Psalm 78:69, Ecclesiastes 1:4)


It's only a select few, starting with those 120 Christians in the first century, the apostles Peter, John, Paul, Timothy and many others that will go to heaven as joint heirs/rulers with Jesus Christ(Romans 8:17, 2Timothy 2:12)
Even some in our day are anointed as corulers of Jesus but they aren't the people you think them to be.
This number going to heaven is limited to a “little flock” numbering a total of 144,000. They are bought from among mankind. (Please read Luke 12:32, Revelation 7:4-8, 14:1-4)
These ones are to serve as kings and priests to God in heaven(Revelation 1:6), judge the world(1Corinthians 6:2, Revelation 20:4) and will rule over the earth . (Revelation 5:9-10)

So you see, most people who shout and shout that they're going to heaven don't know squat about what they're going to do there from the Bible(if they're ever to go there, which is impossible)

I know all of these might be too much, but you can continue from here with any of Jehovah's Witnesses in your area or visit JW.ORG for more info.

The earth will not last forever.It will be changed by being destroyed and a new one created.


2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.



Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.


Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

MODIFIED:

I agree with Jehova witnesses that we will live forever on Earth, only that it is not this present one ,which will be destroyed, but a new one which will be created by God.

akan102:
The question is why can't he hold a leadership position?

Because marrying one wife is God's perfect will for man. He is not in God's perfect will. He is not a good role model.

Sammiegreg:
There is nothing like once saved always saved. This is a false belief and remember Judas Iscariot. Confess and repent.

Judas Iscariout was never saved.He was much like an old testament saint.

Nobody God saved until after Jesus finishes the work of redemption by resurrecting again from the dead. Judas Died long before Jesus ressurrected.

TruthHurts100:
You said if I confess my sins and accept the lord as my personal savior that I'm born again.

Please ooo, what if I sin again? Will my first born again status still be valid or I will need another one?

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If you fall into sin after being born again, all you need do is to confess that sin. God will forgive you.

Forgiveness of sins is for those who are already born again. Remission of sins is for those who intend to get born again. To remit means to wipe clean all records.

The important thing to know is that you get born again once and for all. Committing sin does not terminate you new life in christ.


Pls this is not an excuse for you to sin. Sin causes a break in fellowship with God but not a break in relationship with God. The father-son relationship remains intact but the harmony of the relationship may be broken.
You should not live in sin. Living in sin will hinder you from fulfilling God's purpose for your life.

Brachaa:
Wrong!

A christian is not permitted to marry more than one wife. The Bible says,
"A man shall live his mother and father and be cleaved to his wife (not wives ) and they two ( not three) shall become one".

He is not wrong.
Your assertion if for those who are already born again Christians before getting married. If the person already has more than one wife before giving his life to Christ, he can retain them but he cannever occupy any leadership position in the church 1Timothy 3;1-13

gbowoade85142:
He'll send the variety two away and retain the prior legally married person if she desire to abide with him.Keeping all three seasons adultry.so they haveto be discharged but it should be done amicably.

No, he doesn't need to send them away. He keep them ,but he cannot hold any leadership position in the church 1Timothy 3: 1-13

Karanka:
In other words,all of them who had this revelation chose to die rather than staying alive to serve as proof to the future generation that it was indeed possible. Alright.

I chose to be positive about them.

Jesus already foretold how Peter would die.

At his meeting Jesus, Paul was told he would suffer for the Gospel. He definitely would choose to die


The word of God is there for everyone to study and get the truth from.


I am very excited to tell you that there right now exist an army of people who will stay alive for the future generations to see that Jesus already tasted death for all men.

thesicilian:
Are you talking about spiritual or physical, natural death? I can understand if you're talking about spiritual death, but if you actually meant natural death, I will beg to differ. Death is a stage that no man can bypass, except by divine intervention, not necessarily because one is a Christian or born again

That's the point! There already exist a divine intervention that we can tap into.

Karanka:
OP,could you explain why non of the many disciples and apostles of Jesus and any other known early Christian is still alive till today? Did they all choose to die or never knew this your 'revelation'?

The glories of heaven are great. Why stay in this corrupt world when you can enter into glory?

I already gave an example of Paul who chose to die because to him death is gain.


Heaven is not our final destination. Heaven is just a waiting room for people who die in Christ. People in heaven do not have bodies. They will receive a new body at rapture.

The final destination is the new earth where we will live forever in glorified human bodies.

If you have been blessed kindly drop a comment to keep the thread afloat so that others can read and get blessed.

That's it. How to stay indefinitely alive.

HOW TO STAY INDEFINITELY ALIVE

1.Understand that death is a spirit

Death is a spirit.lf the spirit called death does not kill you, you will never die.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

The above scripture said Death went about killing people with death.

Once a person is marked for death, Death eventually kills him using one or more possible avenues.

If you confess death with your lips you mark yourself for death.

Do you remember how all of the first born in Egypt we're once marked for death?



Revelation 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

The above scripture tells of how it will be impossible for people to die at sometime during the great tribulation inspite of their desire to die because the spirit death was not allowed to kill them.



2. Understand that death is your servant

1 Corinthians 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;


The above scripture point out that Death is meant to minister to you or serve you. You should die only when you choose to. And of you choose not to, so be it. Death should take orders from you. You should not be terrified of it



3. Understand that God's power can keep you fit and alive as long as you want.



Psalms 91:16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

The above scripture says you determine how long you live. It is until you are satisfied. God's power will work until you are satisfied.


The following are examples of people who God's power kept fit and alive.

(a) Abraham
This was a man who could not have an erction because of aging (Romans 4:19). He ended up later fathering over five additional children from an additional wife and concubines. (Genesis 25:1-6).

(b) Moses
Bible says that at one hundred and twenty years his eyes were not dim neither we're his sexual powers abated. (Deuteronomy 34:7).

(c)Caleb
The Bible says that at about eighty years he was still strong enough for war.




4. Understand how to counter ageing

Scientist have found out that ageing is coded in the human body's DNA. This means the human body is destined to wear out and pack up. How does a Christian stop this? There are two basic ways to counter ageing.

(a) Eternal Life


Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Here, we see scriptures contrasting death and eternal life telling us that the antidote for death is eternal life.

Eternal Life is the life of God. Every child of God has eternal life.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Confess often and often that you have Eternal Life and that that life is at work in your body countering ageing and keeping you fit and healthy.


(b) The indwelling Holy Spirit


Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


Here scriptures state that your mortal body can be kept alive by the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Confess often and often that the indwelling Holy Spirit constantly gives life to your mortal body and that your body is sustained by him.

Coming up next: HOW TO STAY INDEFINITELY ALIVE TILL RAPTURE

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If you have been blessed drop a comment to keep it afloat so that others can read it and be also blessed.

Is it possible to stay indefinitely alive till rapture? Definitely yes.

Follow me as I show you how.


WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT DEATH

John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.


John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 11:26 An[b]d whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. [/b]Believest thou this?



In the first scripture above, Jesus said those who keeps his words will never taste death.The question we should ask is this : did he mean physical or spiritual death? He couldn't have meant spiritual death because all men were born spiritually dead. That is why there is need for being born again.


In the second scripture, Jesus said if a man is alive and believes in him he will never die.The question we should ask again is this: was Jesus talking about physical or spiritual death?Here again we see clearly for two reasons that he was talking about physical death.

1. He was exhorting someone whose brother had physically died.
2. He said he was the resurrection. He proved it by resurrecting Lazarus who had physically died. Moreover, only people who had physically died get resurrected. To resurrect means to bring back to physical life after experiencing physical death.

The above shows clearly that Jesus was talking about physical death.



WHAT PAUL SAID ABOUT DEATH

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.


The question we should ask again is this: is this referring to physical or spiritual death. The answer to that question is physical death for a number of reasons.


In order to see the first reason we must read down and see the scripture in context

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Verse fifteen tells us that the death referred to is the one for whose fear "men
are for their lifetime held in bondage."

This is talking clearly about physical death.Mankind is afraid of physica death and he is in fact in bondage to that fear.


The second reason why this refers to physical death is because Jesus never tasted spiritual death. Jesus is the Word of God that became a human being (John1:1). 1 Peter1:23 tells us that the Word of God " liveth and abideth forever". This means the word of God can never die.

I am aware that there is a school of thought that believes that Jesus died spiritually because he said in Mark15:34, "My God , my God, why has thou forsaken me?"

But the following scripture clearly tells us that Jesus never for a second stopped being good from the time of his birth up until he ascended to heaven.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh, preached unto the Gentiles and received into glory.


When God query Adam after he ate the forbidden fruit, Adam accused God of being the cause of his sin. Adam said it was the woman that God gave him that led him into sin (Genesis3:12).That was why God decided to take responsibility for the SIN of man. When Jesus Christ was born he was God in human flesh. He died as God, suffered as God, rose up from the dead as God, ascended into heaven as God. That was how God gave a final response to Adam's accusation.



We see then that Jesus never tasted spiritual death. He only tasted physical death.So, when the Bible says Jesus tasted death for every man, it was talking about physical death. The truth of the matter is this: No man need taste physical death again. Jesus already tasted it for every man just as he suffered for every man's sin. So, there is absolutely no reason for any man who has given his life to Christ to taste physical death again. You already have in you the resurrection and the life!


Before closing on this it is imperative for us to look at one other thing Paul said about death.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


This scripture does not apply to born again christians because it definitely does not apply to men who are alive when rapture occur. Those Christians will simply be transfigured.



WHY CHRISTIANS STILL DIE
Christians still die because of two main reasons.

1. Many are still subject to bondage due to the fear of physical death.

2. Most choose to die.




DEATH FOR CHRISTIANS IS A CHOICE


Philippians 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
1:22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
1:24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.
1:25 And having this confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of faith;

In the above scripture Paul treats death as a thing of choice. He stated that he could choose to stay alive for the sake of the brethren or die and be with the Lord in glory.



Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

The above scripture says a man who confesses death has chosen to die. If you
as a Christian believe and confess that you will die. You have gazetted yourself for death.

MJBOLT:

abeg shut up,if e sure your god let him blow the trumpet let war between heaven and earth happen.that redundant heaven where the soldiers still use swords,spears,bow and arrows,on earth we have guns that will wipe out everybody in heaven,we have ICBMs,nuclear warheads and fighter jets even your jesus could not survive hammer and nails

Is this a joke or what ? If you read your Bible well enough you will discover that Jesus would destroy all opposers at his second coming by speaking words.

Watch for my tread in the religion section titled "Let's talk about Gods" there you will learn that Gods CREATE by speaking words; Gods DO by speaking words; and that Gods PERFORM by speaking words.

Mistakemaker:
Then what do the fg stand to gain by keeping it in the exclusive list and suffering the people.. To me states should be allowed to generate power and supply their states, you will find out some states will have stable electricity

During his ministerial screening,fashola made it clear that the Constitution allowstue state government to generate, transmit and distribute electricity.

Manlikeayoo:
OAU...Hmmmm okay thanks bro... But will like to know if the department produce first class »» Reason why I ask is you know how wicked & Dark minded some lecturer can be...

Oau never offered mass communication

BREYZ:
SO YOU DIDNT ASK QUESTIONS? YOU DID IT YOURSELF? I DOUBT

Somebody already gave detailed information above.


It is straight forward. A two step process. You first do a name seach for three different names at N700 naira to find out if
one or more of the names have not already been registered by someone else. That is called name search.

If the name search is successful , you then proceed to register a successfully searched name( name not already registered by someone else). Register at on of name cost about N10,000.


Let him just follow the detailed instructions already given by someone above

WinLABSstores:
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This is absolutely not true!

You can't complete the process on your own!

CAC itself has empowered 3rd party guys to be doing the process and you have to go through them.

That's not true. I completed the process by myself.

oluwaseyi0:
To go to heaven to do what exactly?

Remember all that will be done in heaven is a repetitive monotheistic hailing of God

What will one do when he get bored after 145 years,
The mere thought of been stuck in that is creepy and not what any sane human should look forward to

Remember you won't grow older or younger, you are simply stuck, and not so many activities to ensure you are not bored, you'll probably live in one house that Jesus prepare for you ... forever

No changing to a bigger or better apartment, no amusement parks or interesting show, no reasonable job, you eat all day and shit and grow overly fat

Also how will some parents cope in hell when their thirteen years old daughter is stuck in hell over mundane offences while the parents are in heaven, rejoicing?

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The ultimate and final destination is the new earth that comes into existence after this present earth has been destroyed. The current heaven is just like a waiting room where people will stay until they get ushered into the new earth. Believe me when I tell you, the new earth will be a fun place.

Acrofab:
This has lasted for over 15years. It started after I ate in the dream. Have gone for tests and nothing was found out except malaria and typhoid.

Have prayed and fasted but when it seems the movements is subsiding, I found myself eating in the dream again and the movements will increase.

It is really making life unbearable to me cos the only time I don't feel the movement is when i am sleeping.
Please if you know what I can do to free kindly let me know.
please your help is needed.

Look the problem is that you don't know how to react to eating in the dream.

Visit the thread below to see learn how to.


Until you leaern the appropriate way to respond to eating in the dream, you problem will persist.


https://www.nairaland.com/5388417/how-learned-how-tackle-demons

Acrofab:
This has lasted for over 15years. It started after I ate in the dream. Have gone for tests and nothing was found out except malaria and typhoid.

Have prayed and fasted but when it seems the movements is subsiding, I found myself eating in the dream again and the movements will increase.

It is really making life unbearable to me cos the only time I don't feel the movement is when i am sleeping.
Please if you know what I can do to free kindly let me know.
please your help is needed.

Visit this thread and your problem will be solved


https://www.nairaland.com/5388417/how-learned-how-tackle-demons

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