THE TWO DIFFERRENT PERSPECTIVES TO JEHOVAH GOD'S WORD

It is very important to understand the different perspectives to the word
s of Jehovah God. This helps us to understand the bible deeply. It also helps us to understand bible teachings given by other teachers of the word deeply. You have to first understand the perspective in use while reading a scriptural piece in under to have a good understanding of it.
The two perspectives that I am mentioning here are in relation to a born-again child of God.
The two perspectives are:
1. Our state from the view-point of what happened before the new birth.
2. Our state from the view point of what happened at the new birth.

OUR STATE FROM THE VIEW POINT OF WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE NEW BIRTH
Our state before e came to be in christ is summarised in Ephesians 2:12

Ephesians 2:12 (KJV)
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.

Before we came to be in Christ, we were hopeless, Godless an covenantless. we have absolutely no basis to benefit from the spirtual commonwealth of isreal. We were hopeless sinners, but Jehovah God became kind to us, in that, when we called on his name for salvation through Christ Jesus, he saved us and redeemed us from sin and its consequences.
I Peter 1: 18 echoes similar sentiments

1Peter 1:18,19
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

Now that we are in Christ, Jesus Christ is our Lord an Personal Saviour. We are the redeemed of Jesus Christ. Save by grace. Justified and had righteousness imputed unto us.

OUR STATE FROM THE VIEW POINT OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE NEW BIRTH

What happened to us at the new birth is clearly stated in 2Corinthians 5:17.

2 Corinthians 5:17 (NKJV)
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

At the new birth Jehovah God brought us forth as entirely new beings through an act of divine reproduction that led to us being born into his family. Because we are new beings that have absolutely no past, we have absolutely no connection with the person that formerly lived in our body. The person who live in our body was a sinner and , in fact, a child of the devil; but when he called on Jesus to save him from his sin, God responded and saved him from the sin nature an its consequences b destroying him. The bible calls him our "old man" and explained what happened to him at the new birth in Romans 6:6

Romans 6:6 (KJV)
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

To crucify means to kill by crucifixion. So, our old man was destroyed( or killed by crucifixion) at the new birth. Then Jehovah God gave birth to us through an act of reproduction and put us in his body to continue with his identity. To foster that identity continuation he imbued us with his memory.

Because we are completely different from our old man, we were never in bondage to sin at any time. We were never sinners. We never needed salvation or redemption. We were born anew at the new birth.
These means we were never saved and were never redeemed. Jesus may be our Lord, he definitely was not our saviour. We were never justified because we never needed justification. We were instead born anew into Jehovah God's family as his sons and daughters. This is the second perspective to the word of Jehovah God.

JEHOVAH GOD'S TAKE ON THESE PERSPECTIVES

Jehovah God wants us to live our lives based on the second perspective. Seen from the second perspective, we are children of Jehovah God., born after his kind. That makes us beings of his kind- Gods. Every child that Jehovah God births is a God.

THE PROBLEM

The unfortunate thing is that even though all of his children are Gods, the vast majority of them do not function as Gods. Jehovah God's dream for his children is that the function as what they are- Gods.
The three basic things about Gods are:
1. the ability to receive worship;
2. the ability to receive prayers
3, the ability to forgive sins.
Jesus did these three things during his earthly days though it was always face to face and not remotely.
A God is a deity that people worship and pray to an from whom they ask forgiveness for their sins.
Jehovah God wants all his children to function s God which means the should, among other things, receive worship, receive prayers and forgive sins.

INTRODUCING GODSHIP: THE NEW "WAY" CREATED BY JEHOVAH

Recently after about five years after I realised from scriptures that being a child I was a God and an integral member of the God-kind and after I came to terms with my divinity and became comfortable with receiving worship, prayers, an forgiving sins albeit face-to-face and not remotely; Jehovah God spoke to me an said. "Just as I sent Jesus as a son into the world to save mankind even so I am sending you into the world, not as an Apostle, but as a son to make Gods of all mankind leveraging on the finished works of Jesus Christ. This new way that God sent me to create I named Godship which Jehovah God has approved. Christianity and Godship are now to exist side by side. According to my coinage Godship is about functioning as God and the born again children of God who come fully to terms with their divinity nd start functioning as God are now to be called Gods. Put simply, Godship is functioning as God and Gods are children of God who function as God. I am no longer a christian I am now a God. I no longer practice christanity. I practise Godship.
To become a God after being born again you must TAKE YOUR PLACE and YOUR STAND [/b]in the family of God.

[b]To TAKE OUR PLACE in the family of God means to come to terms with your divinity an verbal declare that you re God and are comfortable with receiving worship, prayer and forgive sins.

To TAKE OUR STAND in the family of God is to verbally declare that your earthly parent are not your actual parents ( just as Mary and Joseph were not the actual parent of Jesus) but are merely your guardians and that Jehovah God is your actual parent.
After you make those to declarations, new faculties will open up an start functioning in your spirit. The holy spirit will take the central an front stage in your life n start teaching you how to function as God. Yo are now a god and are now practicing Godship.

If you are not born again yet say this prayer and become born again first:
I accept Jesus as my Lord and Personal Saviour. I believe he died for me on the cross and rose up for my justification.
Congratuations you are now born again. Next, make the two declarations above.

CHILDREN OF JEHOVAH GOD ARE NOT HIS CREATION

There is this centuries long misconception about children of Jehovah God. It is widely believed among the vast majority of children of Jehovah God that they are his creation. This is basically due to failure to understand the intent of the use of the word CREATE in reference to the bringing forth of Jehovah God's children. The most important verse of scripture which has made made many to form the opinion that are Jehovah God's creation is 2 Corinthians 5:17. That verse of scripture is what I personal consider the most powerful and the most important verse of the entire Bible. Why do I consider it so? That is the one verse of scripture that makes us to understand what happens at the new birth. It clearly tells us that the person that says the sinner's prayer asking for salvation is absolutely different from the person from the person emerges from that prayer.

The different words were used to make reference to that person that said the the sinner's prayer in different instances. The words are :
1. old man
2. old creature(implied)
Similarly, three different words were used to make reference to the person that emerges from the sinner's prayer which are:
1. new man
2. new creature or new creation(modern translation)

The intent is to make us realise that the person who lived in our body before we gave our life to Christ and the person ho lives there now are absolutely two different persons. This is why we know that our earthly parents are not our real parents. The person they gave birth to is not the one that lives in their son's body now. The only thing the can lay claim to is the body that the new person lives in. But as for the person that lives in that body, he is not and will never be their child. Jehovah God is his Father, he just happen to have started living with their child's identity after their child was done away with. Paul used the word create here to quickly drive home the point because humans are already conversant with the concept of creation. We know that Jehovah God created the world and Adam and Eve. The word "create" was used for the purpose of effectiveness. The intent was to show differences in persons living in the body at the said different times.
You want to ask, "What happened to the old creation? The answer can be found in Romans 6: 6

Romans 6:6 KJV
knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
To crucify means to kill by crucifixion. The is same as saying the old man was destroyed at the time of being born again.
The second verse of scripture that makes people believe that the are Jehovah God's creation is Epesians 2:10.

Ephesians 2:10 KJV
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
The intent in this scripture the above scripture to show that Jehovah God brought us forth by special act of God into scene. This is made obvious in the Amplified and Amplified Classic versions which clearly states the act of God of God in question is a bringing forth by birth.

Ephesians 2:10 AMP
For we are His workmanship [His own master work, a work of art], created in Christ Jesus [reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, ready to be used] for good works, which God prepared [for us] beforehand [taking paths which He set], so that we would walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us].

Ephesians 2:10 AMPC
For we are God's [own] handiwork (His workmanship), recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live].


The third scripture which gives many of Jehovah God's children the impression that they are his creation is James 1:18.

James 1:18 KJV
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
The use of creature which suggest creation here gives a misleading impression. The actual message of the verse shows the true intent: Jehovah God "begat" us or "gave birth" to us as special beings.


The following two verses of scripture state very clearly that Jehovah God gave birth to us by act of reproduction. The made it clear that he fathered us and not that he created.
John 1: 12 KJV
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 1:12 AMP
But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the right [the authority, the privilege] to become children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name— 13who were born, not of blood [natural conception], nor of the will of the flesh [physical impulse], nor of the will of man [that of a natural father], but of God [that is, a divine and supernatural birth—they are born of God—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].

John 1:12 AMPC
But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the authority (power, privilege, right) to become the children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name–[Isa. 56:5.]
13 Who owe their birth neither to bloods nor to the will of the flesh [that of physical impulse] nor to the will of man [that of a natural father], but to God. [They are born of God!]

1 peter 1:23 AMPLIFIED CLASSIC
You have been regenerated (born again), not from a mortal origin (seed, sperm), but from one that is immortal by the everliving and lasting Word of God.

1 peter 1:23 KJV
23being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 peter 1:23 AMPLIFIED
for you have been born again [that is, reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose] not of seed which is perishable but [from that which is] imperishable and immortal, that is, through the living and everlasting word of God.

You have to decide from the above scriptures whether you were created by Jehovah God or fathered by him. It cannot be both. Birth and creation are mutually exclusive. If God says in one breathe that he fathered us and then go on to say in another that he created us, it is either he is confused or the readers of the bible have failed to comprehend the intent of the word CREATE as used in scriptures. Other words used methaphorically in scriptures to refer to the new birth are the words ADOPT, and BRING FORTH.
For as long as you believe that that you are Jehovah God's creation, you will never be able to walk in SONSHIP even if you shout at the top of the mountain every day that you are a child of God. Even if you say, "I am a child of God", to yourself thirty billion times a second, it will make no real important difference. You, how ever, may become a very great and important man of God. It is either you are his creation or his child. You can't be both.

Jehovah God gives birth to children by well-defined divine reproductive system. Jehovah God gives birth to children through his word and by the agency of his Holy Spirit. He gives birth to new children when his spirit incubates on his word. This was how Jesus Christ, his first born, was born and that is how all his other children were born. All of Jehovah God children are Gods because the were all born through exact same divine reproductive system. It is sad that many of Jehovah God's children think only Jesus is God while they are not. This hurts Jesus deeply. He is pleased with being deified, worshipped and honoured as Lord, But, he is unhappy because he is unable to interreact with his siblings as siblings. He is forced to always relate with them as God or Lord because of their inability to understand that he and they equal as far s deity is concerned. He just happens to be first born in the God-family. Jehovah wants all his children to function as what the are - Gods. That is dream for them. In other to relise this dream, he has sent me out to make it common knowledge all over the world that every child that he births are beings of his kind. - the God-kind. That makes them all Gods and he wants them all to function as God. Three basic quality that Gods have are:
1. The ability to receive worship.
2. The ability to receive prayer
3. The ability to forgive sins.

Gods are deities that people worship and pray to, and from whom they ask for forgiveness of sin. Jesus did the above three things while he as on earth, you should do the same. But, please not remotely, but face-to-face. That was how Jesus did it in his earthly days.

INTRODUCING GODSHIP: THE NEW "WAY" CREATED BY JEHOVAH
Recently after about five years after I realised from scriptures that being a child I was a God and an integral member of the God-kind and after I came to terms with my divinity and became comfortable with receiving worship, prayers, an forgiving sins albeit face-to-face and not remotely; Jehovah God spoke to me an said. "Just as I sent Jesus as a son into the world to save mankind even so I am sending you into the world, not as an Apostle, but as a son to make Gods of all mankind leveraging on the finished works of Jesus Christ. This new way that God sent me to create I named Godship which Jehovah God has approved. Christianity and Godship are now to exist side by side. According to my coinage Godship is about functioning as God and the born again children of God who come fully to terms with their divinity nd start functioning as God are now to be called Gods. Put simply, Godship is functioning as God and Gods are children of God who function as God. I am no longer a christian I am now a God. I no longer practice christanity. I practise Godship.
To become a God after being born again you must TAKE YOUR PLACE and YOUR STAND in the family of God.

To TAKE OUR PLACE in the family of God means to come to terms with your divinity an verbal declare that you are God and are comfortable with receiving worship, prayer and forgive sins.
To TAKE OUR STAND in the family of God is to verbally declare that your earthly parent are not your actual parents ( just as Mary and Joseph were not the actual parent of Jesus) but are merely your guardians and that Jehovah God is your actual parent.
After you make those to declarations, new faculties will open up an start functioning in your spirit. The holy spirit will take the central an front stage in your life n start teaching you how to function as God. Yo are now a god and are now practicing Godship.

If you are not born again yet say this prayer and become born again first:
I accept Jesus as my Lord and Personal Saviour. I believe he died for me on the cross and rose up for my justification.
Congratuations you are now born again. Next, make the two declarations above.

UNDERSTANDING DIVINE REPRODUCTION

If there is one person who is an authority on the subject of reproduction, it is Jehovah God himself. When he created living things, he created in each category a unique category of reproductive system which can be either sexual or asexual. Before we proceed, lets look first at reproduction from Bible's perspective.


REPRODUCTION: BIBLE'S PERSPECTIVE

Genesis 1: 31 gives Bible's account of how Jehovah God created living things. The central truths are these:
1. Kind: he created them in kinds (or categories e.g. different categories of birds, fish, animals, etc.
2. Seed: He put in each category the ability to reproduce through seeds. The seed from plants was in their fruits. The reproductive seed for animals was in the sperm.
3. Kind Reproduction: He ensured that each category reproduced after its kind. That is, he unsured that what they reproduce is always one of their kind or is simply their kind.
4. Heredity: He ensure that all offspring inherited traits or nature from their parents.
So, basically, living things reproduce (sexually) through seed. Reproductive seed is thus the basis of reproduction for the vast majority of living things.


HOW JEHOVAH GOD REPRODUCES CHILDREN

When Jehovah God created living things, he used an existing pattern that has relevance to him. Divine reproduction functions based on these central things: kind, seed, kind reproduction and heredity.
God is the name of a kind. Jehovah is the name of a being that belong to the God-kind or, if you prefer, the Living-God-kind.
It is interesting to note that, to many people, the word God is synonymous with Jehovah God specifically. That was alright in the old testament, but over here in the new testament, it is important to make a clear distinction between Johovah God and his kind because he now has children.
Jehovah God reproduces through[b] (reproductive) seed[/b]. This is explicitly stated in his word.
1 Peter 1: 23 (KJV)
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The above scripture says we bacame born again by an incorruptible or divine seed. The word translated seed in the above scripture is the greek word sporas (σπορά) which means "reproductive seed". This truth is made more obvious in the amplified classic version of the Bible.

1 Peter 1 : 23 Apmplified Classic
You have been regenerated (born again), not from a mortal origin (seed, sperm), but from one that is immortal by the everliving and lasting Word of God.

The above scripture goes on to identify that seed as the Word of God. The Word of God is the reproductive seed or divine sperm with which Jehovah God reproduces children.

Since Jehovah God has a seed-based reproductive system with which he reproduces children, it then goes without saying it that all children reproduced by him are beings of his own kind- the God-Kind. This means that all of his children are Gods. They are not a small g-o-d, but a big G-o-d. Every child that Jehovah God fathers is born after his kind and that makes them all Gods.
How exactly then does god reproduces children? You may ask. In order to answer that question e will need to make a recourse to the response Jesus gave Nicodemus when he wanted to understand how a man could get born-again.
John 3: 5 (KV)

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In the above scripture, Jesus explained that people become born again b being born of water and of the Spirit. The word water there refers to the Word of God. Ephesians 5: 25 talk of "the washing of water by the word."
So, we seen that Jehovah God gives birth to children through his word and his spirit. His word is his reproductive seed while his spirit is the incubation tool. God gives birth to new children when his Spirit incubates on his Word. Put simply, Jehovah God gives birth to children through his Word and by the agency of his Hoy Spirit.


THE REPRODUCTION OF JESUS : A CASE STUDY

One way to understand how Jehovah God reproduces children is to study how Jesus was reproduced. Lets see the relevant scripture.
Luke 1: 34 (KJV)

Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

In the above scripture, when Angel Gabriel gave Mary the word of God about the birth of Jesus. Mary ventured to ask how such word can become a reality seeing that she was a virgin. Angel Gabriel simply told her in many words that the Holy Sprit will incubate on those words and form a child of God with it.


THE REPRODUCTION OF OTHER CHIDREN OF GOD: A CASE STUDY

Careful study will readily show that the process through which Jesus was reproduced is the exact process through which every other child of god was reproduced, that is by the Word and the Spirit or by the incubation of the word by the Holy Spirit. The only two differences associated with the reproduction of Jesus and other children of God are:
1. Differences in entity formed: In the case of Jesus, the Holy spirit formed an embryo with the word of God which means the word of God formed a complete set which consist of a spirit, soul and body while in the case of other children of God, the holy spirit formed only an entirely new spirit and a new soul with the word of God.
2. Differences in receptacle used: After Jesus was formed he was placed in an already existing receptacle which happens to be the womb of Mary, however when other children of God are formed, the are placed in an already existing receptacles too, but one which happens to be the body of a sinner. "What happened to the sinner that used to live in that body?" , You may venture to ask. Well, after he prayed asking Jesus to save him, Jehovah God saved him from the consequences of being born with the sin-nature by simply destroying him and pacing a new-born child of him into his body as receptacle and allow that new child of his to continue human existence with the identity of the destroyed sinner while his new born child was imbued with his memory to foster continuity of identity.
So, we can clearly see that while the process of reproduction is the same the differences are the types of entity formed and the type of receptacle used.

If you think deeply about it, it makes perfect sense for God to change the type of receptacle used. If God kept using the womb of virgins as receptacles for his newly formed children, virgins may soon start feeling used instead of feeling privileged. Men too may avoid marrying such women because the are no longer virgins. So, now, God uses an existing human body as receptacles for his newly born children.


Bible states three things, among others, that all Jehovah Gods children inherit from him:
1. His divine life (also called eternal life)
1John 5: 11
And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
2. His divine nature
1 Peter 1: 4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
3. His divine love (also called Agape)
Romans 5: 5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
In summary: Jehovah God gives birth to children through his word and by the agency of his holy spirits. All his children are Gods because they are born after his kind and they have the exact kind of life, nature and love that he has by divine inheritance.


THE SADEST THING ABOUT THIS TRUTH

The saddest thing about these truth is that many of Gods children are ignorant of the fact that the are Gods. Some who do, believe the are a small g-o-d while others who aver that the are Gods never ever function as God in the true and actual sense of the word. They only function at best as God's great servant or a very great and devoted christians. God made me realise that absolutely no born-again person has ever function as God in the true an actual sense of the word since the ressurrection of Christ about two thousand years ago due to inferiority. Three basic elements that all Gods possess are usually missing in their life. These basic elements are ability to receive worship, and the ability to receive prayers and the ability to forgive sins.
During his earthly days, Jesus received worship. He answered the numerous people who prayed to him and granted their request, and he forgave sins. The only difference was that all these were done to him face-to-face and not remotely which is the appropriate way it must be done to all children of Jehovah God in the physical world. Those who believe they are Gods refuse to accept worship. They think in doing so they are rubbing shoulders with Jehovah God. How can you be God and not be able to accept worship. Gods are deities and all deities are objects of worship. They bluntly refuse to accept face-to-face prayers. A God is a deity that people worship and pray to.


INTRODUCING GODSHIP: THE NEW "WAY" CREATED BY JEHOVAH

Recently after about five years after I realised from scriptures that being a child I was a God and an integral member of the God-kind and after I came to terms with my divinity and became comfortable with receiving worship, prayers, an forgiving sins albeit face-to-face and not remotely; Jehovah God spoke to me an said. "Just as I sent Jesus as a son into the world to save mankind even so I am sending you into the world, not as an Apostle, but as a son to make Gods of all mankind leveraging on the finished works of Jesus Christ. This new way that God sent me to create I named Godship which Jehovah God has approved. Christianity and Godship are now to exist side by side. According to my coinage Godship is about functioning as God and the born again children of God who come fully to terms with their divinity nd start functioning as God are now to be called Gods. Put simply, Godship is functioning as God and Gods are children of God who function as God. I am no longer a christian I am now a God. I no longer practice christanity. I practise Godship.
To become a God after being born again you must TAKE YOUR PLACE and YOUR STAND in the family of God.

To TAKE OUR PLACE in the family of God means to come to terms with your divinity an verbal declare that you re God and are comfortable with receiving worship, prayer and forgive sins.

To TAKE OUR STAND in the family of God is to verbally declare that your earthly parent are not your actual parents ( just as Mary and Joseph were not the actual parent of Jesus) but are merely your guardians and that Jehovah God is your actual parent.
After you make those to declarations, new faculties will open up an start functioning in your spirit. The holy spirit will take the central an front stage in your life n start teaching you how to function as God. Yo are now a God and are now practicing Godship.

If you are not born again yet say this prayer and become born again first:
I accept Jesus as my Lord and Personal Saviour. I believe he died for me on the cross and rose up for my justification.

Congratuations you are now born again. Next, make the two declarations above.

SECRETS OF WITCHCRAFT EXPOSED

A lot has been happening in my life for some time until now. At first read, you might think this is psychiatric or mental problem, espcially if you are a medical practictioner. But, believe me, this is not eccentricity or anything of that sort. This is real psudo-spiritual experience, for want of words. If, only you will opn your minds, you will realise that this is wiitchcraft or somthing of such.
On a certain day,I heard a voice trying to talk to me. Anyone hearing the voice would think it was a spirit or something of that sort. Being a born-again christian, I was trained in believing that I should never be afraid of spirits. Without being afraid, I ignored the supposed spirit for a period of time. I eventually decided to respond to it withot fear. I engaged it in a conversation, which while doing, some other supposed spirits revealed their presence and tried to scare me.But, I remain balanced minded and unafraid. On realizing this, they calmed down and started to engage me in conversation.
They informed me that they are aware that God has given me special message and that I was in the process of starting my own church. I responded in the affirmative. They said, they had come to prevent me from starting the church and also prevent me from making any meaningful progress in life because my church was going to be a major threat to their kind and its continual existence. I was rather amused and laughed at what I considered an impossible mission. The fact that I was not scared or shaken came to them as a shock. They wondered, if I understood the enormity of what they said. My response was that they were on mission-impossible. In the course of several months, they deployed several "powers" against me.But, I was already trained to unerstand that witchcraft and juju were nothing. In the course of my interraction with them, it became more than obvious to me that witchcraft and juju was nothing other than REAL TRICKS.
Sit back and enjoy this exposition on the numerous REAL TRICKS of witchcraft and juju. While at it, get yourself some pop-corn and a glass of chilled milk as I take you on this exciting ride.

WITCHCRAFT AND IMAGES, SOUNDS, AND ANIMATION
The first thing you must understand, and which witches, wizards, occultic people and which sophisticated users of juju understand natively, is that, the human mind is extemely very poweful much more than most people are aware of and that it has great and unbelievable capabilities; and that, if one were to write about its shocking capabilities, a billion encyclopedia would hardly contain their descriptions.
For a start, the human mind can generate all kinds of AUDIO SOUNDS, VIDEO IMAGES, ANIMATIONS and what have you. Most, if not all cases, of people who saw spirits, were cases of people who saw images generated by their minds through one or more actions of witches (or such people). For example, they can make you hallucinate. They can make you see REAL images of people places or things. So, much the more than you would be willing to swear with every ounce of energy you have in you that you saw a ghost, a spirit, or some other fright producing image. The truth is that, it was all generated by your mind. The people you might want to call mad or eccentric are most likely under some REAL TRICKS of witches or wizards. Dont't be quick to call people mad or eccentric. They may well be under the influence of a yet to be unravelled REAL TRICKS of witches. Lest I forget, they can cause the human mind to generate all kinds of musical sounds and melodies. Now you understand why supposedsedly mentally ill or eccentric people always talk of hearing sounds, voices or music that no one else can hear. Its all coming from their minds. You don't need to panic. It's nothing spiritual. It's just a REAL TRICK which may very well become ravelled with time.

WITCHCRAFT AND SICKNESS AND DISEASE
One other thing you should know about the mind is that it governs human health. It can make people fall into sickness and become prey to diseases and can make people to experience recovery from sickness or diseases. If only there were a course of study on the ANATOMY or FUNCTIONALITIES of the mind human mind, our health practitioners will become better professionals. If you remembe very well, adrenalin is secreted into the blood stream during anger to encourage appropriate action while dopamine is secreted into the blood stream during sexual excitation to encourage appropriate action. For every human emtion their is always a unique secretion into the blood stream. What witches and wizards simply do is that they play on people's minds. Tools they use in achieving their aims in the said arena are fear, worry and anxiety. They start by getting peope afraid, worried or anxious and follow-up on that until the mind takes over from them. If you are someone prone to fear, worry or anxiety, you need to change.

WITCHCRAFT AND FEAR, WORRY OR ANXIETY
It may shock you to discover that witches can make people feel afraid, worried or anxious. It's not every time you experienced this that it came naturally frm you. One more thing, they can induce people to think in certain directions. These are called induced fear, induced worry, induced anxiety and induced thoughts. Induced fear is not fear until you accept it, induced worry is not worry until you accept it, induced anxiety is not anxiety until you accept it, and induced thoughts are not thoughts until you accept them. If you feel unusually afraid worried or anxious or remember or have depressing thoughts or memory. It may well be induced. Learn never to be afraid, worried, anxious or entertain depressing thoughts.

WICTHCRAFT AND ACUPUNCTURE
Roughly defined, acupuncture is the process of healing by using needles to touch one or more specific nerve points. Touching specific nerve points in the body can make the body experience one or more reactions and reponses. Witches and wizards can give the illusion f various kinds of bodiy attacks by sending signals to various nerve points in the body. You would be surprised to learn the various kinds of seeming real bodily attacks that they can create. The next time you seem to come under heavy attack due to juju or any such similar thing, refuse to panic or fear. Calm youself down. It's nothing other than a REAL TRICKS. The goal is to make you afraid. So long as you are not afraid, you will eventually come to no harm. Without the element of fear, juju is eventually harmless.

WITCHES AND WIZARDS AND MIND READING
Witches and wizard use a rather funny approach to read the mind. Its called gesture reading. The are able to seemingly read the mind by interpreting body gestures especially facial expression. When next a juju-man seem to have figured out your thoughts or life-history, don't be fooled, they got everything from you by making you think of those things and interpreting your body gestures. Tell him to send you similar information when you are not present. You woud have taken the wind out of his sail.

WITCHES AND WIZARDS AND SEXUAL FEELINGS
its not every time you feel sensual feelings that it originted from you. The sensation may have come from another party by the sending of signals to pleasure producing nerve points in your sexuall organ. Some people can't understand their strong sexual desire that exist without any conctrete source o stimulation. If not carefully handled, this could lead to immoral lifestyle or habits. It is not every one who seem immorally loose that is immorally loose. Extraneuosly sent sensation may be the missing part o the jigg-saw-puzzle. Don't always give in to any seemingly strong sexually strong sensation that you may feel. Fight back, you can win.

WITCHES AND WIZARDS AND THE DREAM WORLD
Witches and wizards are cowards who fearfully prowl in the dream world. They use dreams, especially negetive dreams to hold people in bondage. The number of standard collection of dreams they use in holding people in bondage is mind boggling. I use the phrase "standard collections" here because most dreams are templates. Dreams are formed using images to represent characters. Many dreams are craftily created to give the illusion that you are a participator when, in actual fact, you were actually watching a movie. It is safe to say that practically all persons known to you that you interracted with in the dream world are from being the actual persons. Some of the template dreams they use in holding people into bondage are: dream wife or hisband, receiving money in the dream, having sex in the dream, eating in the dream, swimming in the dream, attending a school you have since graduated from in the dream or finding yourself in a place that is below your level. All these are perfectly harmless dreams, but trust withes and wizards to use them to keep people in bondage. It is only when you become afraid, anxious, or worried after you wake up from the in the middle of the dream or after you remember the dream that they are able to reap the harvest of the dreams. Always remember this golden rule about dreams: a dream is perfectly harmless until you make something negetive of it. Put succuinctly, all bad dreams are nothing.
One shocking and possible unbelievable truth about dreams is that it represents the spirit world to all withes, wizards and occultic persons. The irony o the whole matter is that because they are self-aware in the dream world, each time the visit the dream world, they honestly believe that they had just had an adventure in the spirit realm. You may have read one or more books written by a born-again christian who was formerly a witch or wizard or cccultic person in which he told of his exploits in the spirit world. They did not even smell the entrance to the spirit world. The bible says in the book o james that the human body cannot stay alive if the human spirit has gone out of it. If your spirit ever leaves your body, we willl soon be attending your funeral. Well, the devil is a deceiver, he deceives witches, wizards and occultic persons too.

WITCHES AND WIZARD AND TELEPATHIC COMMUNICATION
Witches and wizards communicate telepathically. Telepathic communication is mind to mind communication. This makes it possible for witches and wizards to have meetings. They do not really leave thier bodies, they only have a false feeling of leaving it. That makes it possible for several witches from different locations and different continent to have meetings.

A LIST OF "REAL" TRICKS THAT WITCHES AND WIZARDS WHO VISITED ME DEPLOYED AGAINST ME.
1. False feeling of hunger.
2. False feeling of weakness or tiredness.
3. False feeling of sleepiness.
4. False evidence of mental instability evidenced by seeming uncordinated body movement.(Remember witches and wizards and acupuncture?) I smiled thruoght out the seeming attack. I knew it was a trick.
5. False experience of my laptop moving away from me by itself.
6. False experience of me losing my penis. What they typically do is send signals to nerve points on the penis that makes it shrink in size to the barest minimum without any justifyable reasons. Then they announce to you that they have taken your penis and you no longer have one. By that they are trying to say that they have rendered you impotent. What I simply do each time is to laugh and tell them to go and tell their lies to the marines. My penis still has utmost potency.
7. False visions of persons, spirits and images.
8. Dreams with evil motive.
9. False feeling of sexual excitation (which I never accepted).
10. False feeling of fear(which I never accepted.)
11. Flase feelin f doubt(which I never accepted).
12. False feeling of sadness(which I never accepted.)
13. False feeling of regret (which I never accepted.)
14. Unsolicited thoughts(which I always reject).
And several others.
I eventually told them that I was going to give them global publicity through the internet. When they heard that, they tried to dissuade me by pointing out that other witches and wizards might read my post and get angered and come after me. I was unfazed. My observation is that they are extremely afraid of big men of God like Bishop Oyedepo, Pastor Adeboye, Pastor Kumuyi and pastor Chris and so on. Their names are Bisola, a yoruba woman, Anita, a woman who is from Delta state. Pa James, who seems to be from south-south. Two other persons who go by the name James and John; and another man whose name and tribal identity I was yet to determine as of the time of writing this post. Last of all is Toks short for Tokunbo, a yoruba man, who they say is their leaderand and who also a herbalist.
I noticed one other thing.They can't stand speaking in tongues. It torments them greatly. That may be one other reason they see christians who speak in tongues as great enemies.
I am still in the process of getting them away from me. I will appreciate prayers from everyone and please share the post to as many as possible.


That's all.

I have a most important reason to communicate BECE Grades Score Ranges to a Schools, but I am unable to find the score ranges on the internet. It seem NECO is secretive about it. WAEC on the other hand is quite open about it, but most schools that I know do not use WAEC for their BECE exams.

Is there anyone here who can reliaby tell me the score ranges for NECO grades. Please I don't want gueses because this may cause a lot of disaffection if people find out that my quotes are wrong. It coul also affect a peson's reputation.

The NECO Graes are:

A - Distinction
B - Upper Credit
C-Lower Credit
P- Pass
F- Fail.


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Steep:
Did the apostles ever recieved worship?

Acts 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.


10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

The reaction of Peter in vs 26 is also clearly seen, Peter rejected worship.

How about Paul?

Acts 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.

14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

The reaction of Paul in rejecting the worship, speaks of the intent of his letter, Paul never saw himself as equal to God to receive worship.

How can a man who is on evangelism promote himself and not Jesus? Who does that?

No one gets saved by believing in Jehovah God or worshipping him. The Israelites who had a covenant relationship with Jehovah did not get saved by worshipping him.

No one gets saved by worshipping a child of God. People get saved by receiving Jesus Christ as their lord. It is the preaching of Jesus that saves people.

Cornelius was a gentile who was worshipping the isrealites God. He knew nothing about Jesus. He was awe struck by the fact that Peter actually existed as the angel has said and took him as some god(emphasis on the small g). It would be wrong to accept that kind of worship. It would put his focus on Peter for salvation rather than Jesus. It will not help him get saved. If I were in Peter's shoes I would do likewise. A child of God should only accept or allow worship that is done with revelation or understanding. If people try to worship me because they believe I derive my right to worship from being born by Jehovah God, I will allow or accept the worship otherwise I will reject or disallow it . I will not allow people to worship me in replacement for God or Jesus. When I go for evangelism, I preach Jesus and nothing more. However, I tell people who already have a relationship with Jehovah and Jesus that they are equally God and are worthy of worship.



That reference to Paul is not even relevant. Paul and his partner went there to turn those people from idols to serve the living God. When they saw Paul's miracles, rather than turn from idols, they decided to upgrade their idol worshipping. They concluded that Paul and his partner was their idolatrous gods come in human flesh. They immediately named Paul and Barnabas after their gods and the priest started the process of offering sacrifices to Paul and Barnabas. How on Earth do you expect Paul and Barnabas to accept such idolatrous worship. They had literarily made idols of them. See the scripture below.

Acts 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 14:13[b] Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.[/b]

Steep:
the scripture has made it clear that in the last days scoffers will come walking in their own lust.

The scripture made it clear that those born of God were created.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Like I told you that is Paul wat of effectively communicating what happen at the new birth.

All you have quoted is Paul. You need two or three witnesses to form an opinion.Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses a word shall be established.

I gave you three witnesses: John, Peter, and James all stating that we were fathered by God. The only way to establish that word you are propagating is to quote two or three witnesses. So far, you have quoted one witness- Paul.

[quote author=Steep post=116151359] John 5 vv 18 never said anyone fathered by God is God.

Quoting scripture out of context is no new thing.

Satan still quoted scripture also.
Luke 4:10.

John 5:18 did say anyone who calls God his father makes himself equal to God or did it not say that? When you call God your father are you not saying he fathered you?
The message of John 5:18 is very clear. I don't think you know the meaning of the word context. What a weak argument. Okay tell us what John 5:18 is saying?

I knew it. I knew once I bring scriptures whose meaning are clear and not open to interpretation you would collapse and fall by the way side trying to cling to straw.

The very definition of God has thrashed you already.

God was never created.
Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

The bible made it clear that the man born again is a creature.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

The bible made it clear that the wrath of God is upon anyone who serve and worship the creature rather the creator.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

In verse 25 the word "more than the creator" actually means "beside the creator" it is "para" in the Greek interlinear.

2 Cor 5:17 , which I consider the most powerful scripture in the Epistles, explains to us what happens when a person becomes again. It makes us understand that a knew spirit comes into existence and not that the old spirit is renovated, refurbished or upgraded. Paul use the words "new creation" to effectively drive home the point since most people are already familiar with the concept of God creating man. Paul was just being good teacher. We were not created by God. We are not his creations. We are his sons and daughters. He gave birth to us. He fathered us. It is wrong to pick a verse of scripture in isolation and use it to form opinion. Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses a word is established.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The word translated born in the above verse is the word gennaó which means "to give birth to".




1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The word translated seed here is the word "spora" which means "reproductive seed".




James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

The word translated begat here is the word apeküēsen which means "to give birth to a child".
So, we were not created. God reproduced us. He gave birth to us. He fathered us. We are not one if his creations.

The problem with you and your kind is that you are lost in your humanity so much that you are not coscious of your divinity. You have inferiority complex. You feel so inferior to God, your mind can not come to terms with relating to him at the God level. Until you come to terms with your divinity you will remain limited and will never be able to come to the fullest of the stature of Christ.


In the following scripture Jesus himself said he will cause people to come and worship his brothers.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Let me guess. You will say that I quoted the scripture out of context. That is your new weak argument.

It is a pity for your soul.

If you want to argue further I won't bother repy you.

I know that God is my father. He fathered me. I came out of his loins and as such I am a being after his kind. I am comfortable with my Divinity, so I accept worship. I worship Jesus and the Father too. I advice you to act likewise.

Steep:

Before I proceed, answer these question
1. Are you equal to God?
2. If you are God then you should be worshiped as God?
3.. Are those who worship saints like Mary and the rest wrong or right?

The Bible says anyone fathered by God is equal to God. (John 5:18). I believe it, and that settles it. I am equal to God. God and is children are equal. They are all Gods. None is lower than the other. They are all Deities.


A God is an object of worship. Gods are meant to be worshipped. If you can't be worshipped, you are not God. I accept worship as God.


Anybody who is fathered by God is God and thus qualified for worship.

Steep come over let's debate.

The Bible proves clearly that a child of God is God.

Let's see the relevant scriptures.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

The above scripture stated clearly that anyone fathered by God is equal to God.The Jews rightly held this notion. Neither Jesus nor the Bible disprove this notion.

We know for certain that a child of God is fathered by God.(See John 1:12-13, James 1:18.)



John 10:30 I and my Father are one. 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

In this scripture the Bible is saying any man who says God is his father is saying that he is God. This is the notion held by the Jews. Jesus, in latter verses confirmed that this notion is correct. The Bible also did not disprove this notion.

Since a child of God is born of God ( See John 1:13, James 1:18), he has a right to call God his father. Therefore, he has a right to say he is God.


So, this is an incontrovertible fact: a child of God is God because he was fathered by God.


The Jewish leaders would not believe that Jesus was God because he was a man. They wouldn't believe that God fathered him. So, they went about plotting his death and did not stop until they killed him. Similarly, some groups of persons in this generation would not believe that children of God are Gods because they are men. These people are no different from the Jewish leaders who killed Jesus. They are going about "attacking" children of God who say they are Gods. They are like thier fathers- the Jewish leaders. Were they to be alive during Jesus' days, they would have been at the fore front of killing Jesus.

Steep:

call it argument or whatever, the fact is your heresy has being exposed.

Going by you, Catholics that worship Mary and saints are right.

If your intention is to expose my so called heresy, please by all means go on.

But please do so coherently and intelligently.

Don't say I said what I did not say.

Don't say I said Theos refers exclusively to Jehovah God when I said no such thing.

Don't say that I said spirits are Gods when I said no such thing.

Stop using Theos and Elohim to prove that a child of God is not God when I never used them to prove that a child of God is God. I only used them to point out that the translators erred when they failed to capitalize gods as seen in Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34.

Stop trying to start a new arguement with me on whether or not man is a spirit. Whether man is a spirit or not, does it change the fact that a child of God is born by God? I have maintained here that any one born of God is God. How does not being a spirit contradict that? If you want to debate on whether man is a spirit or not, create a new thread and mention me on that thread so that we can thrash it out.

Stop trying to start a new arguement with me that the old man is the flesh. Whether the old man is the flesh or not, does that change the fact that for there to be a new creation there must have been an old creation? Does that change the fact that if any man is in Christ he is a new creation- a replacement for an old creation? If you want to debate on whether the old man is the flesh or not, create a new thread and mention me on it to thrash out that topic.

Please keep up the good work of exposing my heresy. Don't stop now.

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Words have function and their meaning depends on a lot of factors which also include the intention of the writer, especially Greek word.
The use of theos or theon does not mean it should be interpreted as "God" same thing with elohim

Satan is also called the God of this world.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The word "god" there is "theon" so does that mean Satan is God? Certainly not.

What is going on here? Can you please tell me exactly what is going on here? Are you just out to win an argument with me and no more? If all you are doing is to just to win an argument with me, then you are wasting your time. I am here to enlighten you with the word of God and help Christians who are following this thread to realize from the word of God that they are Gods. You cannot win someone who is not in a contest with you.

Where in my previous post did I say that Theos is used exclusively for Jehovah God ?

I said the following in my last post:

The problem with English translators is that anytime the word Theo was not used in reference to Jehovah God, the render it as "a god" or "gods" to show a distinction. This gives English readers the impression that the word in that context refers to a lower God. That is not the intent. That is why Theo is always capitalized in the original text. You may consider other Gods lower to your God, but the worshippers of those Gods do not think so.

Does the above suggest that I believe that Theos is always used in reference to Jehovah God?

It appears to me that you are just running around trying to win an argument. My counsel to you is this: stop trying to win an argument. Whatever I say follow it up with your spirit and not with your brain. Study the quoted relevant scriptures. If they make scriptural sense to you, accept them. Don't close your spirit to the truth because you want to win an argument.

You are the one who is trying to obfuscate things by arguing all over the place. Originally I made mention of Theo and Elohim to explain that the translators erred when the translators translated Theo as gods in John 10:34 and Elohim as gods in Psalm 82:6. My point is that in the original text the word Theo was capitalized , so it is misleading to translate it as gods instead of Gods. I also said the word translated in Psalm 82:6 is Elohim and that it is the exact same word that was translated God in Genesis 1:1 and that so it was wrong to translate it as gods instead of Gods in Psalm 82:6. You replied by trying to correct me. You said the Greek does not make a distinction between God and gods. I said no. You said I should bring scriptural proof. Which I did. Also you tried to correct on my mention of Elohim that Elohim is not used for God alone that it is used for jugdges and one other thing that I don't remember now. I said no, and challenged you to bring scriptural proof . The implication of me saying those words should have been capitalized in their translation in Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34 is that I believe that a child of God is as much God as the Father and the Son. He is not a lower God. No where did I suggest that Theo is not used in reference to other deities. It was you who came from the blues and said the word translated gods blessings in John 10: 34 is theoi and not theous. I never really understood your intention nor the relevance of that revelation to the discussion. I thought the difference in spelling was getting you confused, so I thought to help you understand the cases of noun in Greek. The word God does not necessarily refer to Jehovah God. It simply means deity or a divine being or object of worship. The Father is a Deity, Jesus is a Deity, the holy Spirit is a Deity, the children of God are Deities. There are other Deities out there. I may not believe in them, but to their worshippers, they are. Theos refer to Deity, whether those that Christians worship or not. In fact ancient Greece have a lot of Deities that the worshippers do not consider lower Deities. What I pointed out to you is that if Greeks wanted to point out that a god was a lower deity, they can. Thous refer to deities. It is always capitalized. Greek is not a Christian language. It is a people's language. That Christians believe other people's gods are not gods or are lower gods is non of their business.

Quit making mention of thous and elohim. I was the one who mentioned them first. The purpose for mentioning them was not to prove that I child of God is God, but to state that a child of God is not a lower God. The discussion here is on whether a child of God is God or not. Please stay on the topic. You do not, as at yet, believe that a child of God is god. So, you have no business discussion with me on whether a child of a God is not a lower God when compared with Jehovah God or not. My focus here has been God and his children and not other gods and I can effortlessly prove that a child of God is God without making reference to theo and Elohim. The use of the word God and gods, as used in the difference English translations, is sufficient enough for me to make my point. You can mention Theo or Elohim if you feel it will help you prove your point. If you must, do it with originality. Do not relate it to what I said about them at the initial because I can clearly see that you have misunderstood my intentions and are obfuscating things.

From your response, I suspect that you have forgotten what case means in Grammer. Please read up on cases of nouns and pronouns for English language. It will help you understand the reference I made to them with respect to Greek.

When Jesus called the pharisees serpents and vipers does that mean they were really serpents and vipers?

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

when Jesus called the pharisees serpents and vipers does it mean they were really serpents and vipers?
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Please show some intelligence. How can you you compare apples to oranges. What Jesus was saying there is clear to all and sundry. it is not something open to interpretation or debate. Psalm 82:6 is not clear to all and sundry and as such open to interpretation and debate. I have showed you several scriptures from several translations to help you understand it. Study them.

now you are talking of intent but missed it all along for Psalm 82.
Let me tell you, Exodus 7 vv1 does not have "like God" or "as God" in it what it has is "God" "elohim". Using your logic of palm 82 then Moses was made God.

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So when God called Moses elohim then Moses must be elohim. When Jesus called the pahrisee serpents they must be serpents, right?

In Psalm 82:6, all translations that I know of render it as "are God". Not " Like God" or anything as such. So, the intent is clear. If you are a student of the Bible, you will believe them. They have better knowledge of the Hebrew language than you.

In Exodus 7:1 , even KJV, which I consider the least accurate, render it as "a god" meaning, " I have made you pharoah's god." From the other translations, the intent is clear.

Of course, I know that there is no article before Elohim in the original text. Unless you are a native speaker, you should also consult multiple translations. That's how to study and understand the Bible.

Let me tell you one or two things about Bible translations. There are two types of Bible translations: the word-for-word Bible translations and the thought-for-thought Bible translations.

In the word-for-word Bible translations, an attempt is made to translate the Bible one word after another, that is word by word. Also, in this Bible translation, the word order is preserved as much as possible. The disadvantage with this is that if the speaker has used any literary device like idioms, figure of speech, and so on, the reader of the translation can end up being misinformed.

In thought-for-thought translation, no effort is made to translate the Bible word-for-word, word by word or one word after the other. Also, no effort is made to maintain the word order. The translator reads the sentence and figures out exactly what message the speaker is trying to convey. They consider, the meaning of idioms, figure of speech or any other literary device used in the sentence, then they decide the best way to convey the message in the new language, say for instance, English. They figure out the intended message of the speaker and convey it. That is what I mean by intent. King James, NIV and amplified Bible are example of word-for-word translations. The best word-for-word translation out there is the amplified Bible. Good news, living Bible and New living translation(NLT) are examples of thought-for-thought translations. The modern trend now is migration from word-for-word translations to thought-for-thought translations because many have found them to be more accurate. Because the focus is not translation of words, they capture the meanings of idioms, figure of speech and other literary devices well. By just going through the original text on your own, you will not be able to tell whether an idiom or figure of speech or any other literary device has been used unless you are a native speaker. That is why it is good to also consult multiple translations.

God's seed is his word,


1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

We can see that the seed of God in a born again is a person, which is the word of God dwells through his Spirit.
It does not mean those born of God are now God.

Amplified
1 Peter 1:23
[23]You have been regenerated (born again), not from a mortal origin (seed, sperm), but from one that is immortal by the ever living and lasting Word of God.


The word translated seed in 1 Peter 1:23 is the word a spora which means reproductive seed which happens to be sperm for humans.

1 Peter 1:23 is using human reproduction to explain spiritual reproduction. It is saying, just as men reproduce children through their seed, even so God reproduces children through his seed. Men reproduce children through a mortal or perishable seed, but God reproduces his own offspring through immortal or inperishable seed. Man's reproductive seed is his sperm . God's reproductive seed is his word. In order words, God reproduces children through his word, his word is his sperm.



The word translated seed in 1 John 3:9 is the word sperma from which we have our English word sperm.

Amplified
1 John 3:9
[9]No one born (begotten) of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, for God's nature abides in him [His principle of life, the divine sperm, remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practice sinning because he is born (begotten) of God.

1 John 3:9 is talking about nature. It telling us that God transmit his nature to his children by heredity through his sperm. This is made obvious by the fact that it says the most important reason he cannot sin is because he is born of God.

The bible is clear that the old man that was crucified is the flesh not spirit.
I don't know where you get your theology from, it is so wrong.

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

I am not going to waste my time responding to this: check other translations.You are trying to start another argument.

There is no where in the Bible that says man is a spirit. Man composed of soul, spirit and body.
Man having spirit doesn't make them God, also angels are spirits does that make them God? No.
Even while God is Spirit does not mean spirits are God.

I am shocked that there are Christians who do not know that man is a spirit. I am not going to waste my time responding to this. You are trying to start another argument.

Nowhere did I say spirits are Gods. You said spiritual birth is different from physical birth. I agreed with you and even showed you a scripture that support your assertion and tried to help you understand it. You started picking up another argument from it. I am not going to waste my time helping you to understand any new biblical concept again. The topic of discussion here is whether a child of God is God or not. I will advise you to stay on topic. You seem to be jumping here and there trying argue about anything I say even when it is unnecessary or unrelated.

2 Cor. 5:17 tells us that if a person is in Christ, he becomes a new specie of being that never existed before and thus has no past. It further tells us that old things pass away and that ALL things become new.
First, that there exist a new creation means there was an old creation. A new is a replacement for an old.
Second, we know from experience that when a person gets to be in Christ, no old thing passes away from his body, in fact everything remains old. We also know that no old thing passes away from his mind, everything remains old. The foregoing makes it clear to us that the man mention in 2 Cor 5:17 is the spirit. It is he who becomes a new creation. It is he who becomes a new specie that never existed before. It is in him that old things passes away. It is in him that ALL things become new.

1 John 1:12-13 tells us that anybody who receives Christ becomes born of God. The human body cannot become born of God at an old age neither can the human mind become born of God. That means it is the spirit that becomes born of God. Only the spirit experiences a new birth only the spirit becomes a child of God and that spirit has the life and nature of God.

I never said a spirit is God. I did say that anyone born of God is God. Meaning that only spirits that are born of God are Gods.

Remember, stay on topic. Stop running around trying to argue with me. Open your mind and learn. We are discussing whether a child of God is God or not.

By the way, I am surprised that after my last post you still have anything to say to me after I clearly explained things to you with relevant scriptures and from several translations. You have said absolutely nothing in this your last post. You were just splitting hairs.

[quote author=Steep post=115970408] in John 10 vv 34, Jesus said they were called called "gods" the Greek word was theous not theou.

In Greek, a noun has up to nine or more different cases with each case having slightly different spelling but all referring to the same noun. Consider an example below.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The first word that was translated God in the above verse is the Greek word Theon while the other is Theos. They are two different cases of the Theos which refers to God.

However, what Jesus was saying was that, if people who recieved those words were called gods, then he could be called God in a much greater way. Jesus was saying he is more qualified to be called God than those people. It does not mean they were really God.

Why would God call them Gods if they are not Gods. What exactly do you take God for? A joker? A liar? A deceiver? God called them exactly what they were-Gods. The succeeding verse to PS 82:6 corroborate it.


KJV
Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

NIV
Psalm 82:7
[7]But you will die like mere mortals;
    you will fall like every other ruler.”

Good news
Psalm 82:7
[7]But you will die like mortals;     your life will end like that of any prince.”

NLT
Psalms 82:7
[7]But you will die like mere mortals
    and fall like every other ruler.’”

Clearly, God did not believe they were mere mortals.

Iet us see, what it means for men to be called elohim in the old testament.
The first man to be called Elohim was Moses
In exodus 7 vv 1.

Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

The literally interpretation of "a god" is elohim which was used in Psalm 82.

However what does it mean?

Exodus 4:16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.

This explains perfectly what it means for men to be called God. It means one who represent God.

One of the problem that people who are not native speakers face when they read a translation is that they often miss the intent. In the scripture you quoted God was not calling Moses Elohim. Consulting other translations will help you understand the intent.


Amplified
Exodus 7:1
[1]THE Lord said to Moses, Behold, I make you as God to Pharaoh [to declare My will and purpose to him]; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.

NIV
Genesis 7:1
[1]Then the Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.


Good news
Exodus 7:1
[1]The Lord said, “I am going to make you like God to the king, and your brother Aaron will speak to him as your prophet.

NLT
Exodus 7:1
[1]Then the lord said to Moses, “Pay close attention to this. I will make you seem like God to Pharaoh, and your brother, Aaron, will be your prophet.

Clearly God was saying Moses will be like God to pharoah.

calling men gods, does not make them God.

True, but if God calls you God, then you are God. Whatever God says is, is.

yeap the logic is flawed.
Jesus was not claiming he is a god like them but rather he is a God more than them, note the difference.

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

The Jews accusation against Jesus is that it was wrong for a man to declare himself God. Jesus pointed out to them that God himself had declared some men God in the scripture.So, how can he, who was sanctified and sent by God not have a right to declare himself God.

please bring a an example of where a distinction was made.

Acts 17:18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

The word translated gods in the above verse is the word daimonion which mean a heathen deity. The first letter of that word was rendered in small letter in the original text.

The problem with English translators is that anytime the word Theo was not used in reference to Jehovah God, the render it as "a god" or "gods" to show a distinction. This gives English readers the impression that the word in that context refers to a lower God. That is not the intent. That is why Theo is always capitalized in the original text. You may consider other Gods lower to your God, but the worshippers of those Gods do not think so.

, it is also used for those representing God, such as the judges.

Give a scriptural reference that shows this.

can you point out where in the scripture they receive the exact nature of God, hope you know there is a difference between "the nature of God" and the " the full nature of God"? Or " the image of God" and "the exact image of God"?

KJV
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Amplified
1 John 3:9
[9]No one born (begotten) of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, for God's nature abides in him [His principle of life, the divine sperm, remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practice sinning because he is born (begotten) of God.

Good news
1 John 3:9
[9]None of those who are children of God continue to sin, for God's very nature is in them; and because God is their Father, they cannot continue to sin.

All human beings are spirits in human body, does that mean all human beings are born of God? To be born of God does not mean you become a spirit, It means the spirit of man to be regenerated to the image of God.
However, it does not mean to become God.

Man is wholly, completely and entirely a spirit. He has a soul and lives in a body. His soul consist of a will, a mind and an emotion. He is neither a body nor a soul, but a spirit. Just like God is a spirit, man is a spirit. So when God is referring to man, he is, more often than not, reffering specifically to the spirit- the real man.

2 Corinthians 5:17 tells us what happens when a man gives his life to Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Note that the word man here refers to the spirit.

The word translated " new" in the above verse is the Greek word "kaino" which means a new specie that never existed before. So, when a man gives his life to Christ a new specie of spirit is created by God or, more correctly put, born by God.


Rom 6:6 tells us what happened to the old spirit which the Bible calls an man.

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

The old spirit is crucified or killed or destroyed or gotten rid of. The person that says the sinner's prayer accepting Jesus as his lord and savior and the person who emerges from that prayer are two different persons.

Everyone that is fathered by God is God.


John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

The Jews realised natively that anyone who is fathered by God is God, yet the children of this generation can't realise that. One doesn't have to be a genius to realise that children are the kind of their father.

knowingChrist:
calling yourself God is the same as calling yourself son of God?

this is false.. and i'll advice you to see the bible as a whole and don't be a liar by breaking any part of it for a liar breaks the word of God and this is why satan took the bible out of context to tempt Jesus. If you say being a son of God is the same as God, why then did Adam and Eve eat the fruit? the serpent clearly told them that they'll be as gods if they eat. Let me explain to you pls, the serpent was telling the son of God that he'll be god if he eats. You see the difference now? Adam was created as the son of God. Sin made him god.

Also, i know you've not really read so i'll help you. The Israelites have always been a proud people and called themselves gods and this is why they refuse to obey God. Jeremiah 2:31 has them saying they're lords and will not obey God. This is why those unrepentant people who met Jesus have a funny interpretation of Psalms. Remember he was talking to the Jews in that place, the same people the bible says rejected him Sinners are gods, but if you're say you're gods then i know you're one sinner or don't have a clue of what you're saying.

Anyways, take some time to study pls. I know what you say is incorrect so i'll advice you to go into the book and stop reading the bible out of context pls. Psalm 82 is talking about judgment and God was talking to judges of the earth. Not this funny idea you have on your mind.

You have said absolutely nothing.

The Jews knew natively that if a man calls God his father,he is saying that he is God because if God were to have a child, his child will be God because children are the kind of their parents. If your father is human then you are human. If your father is God, then you are God. Jesus confirmed this belief in John 10.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Why is it difficult for people of this generation to realise that? One does not need to be a genious to realise this.

For your information, there are several words that are translated son in scripture. The word son does not always refer to someone born as a result of reproduction.

In you study the following scriptures you will realise that the word son refers to angels.

KJV
Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God [/b]came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


Good news
Genesis 6:2,4
[2]some of the [b]heavenly beings [/b]saw that these young women were beautiful, so they took the ones they liked.
[4]In those days, and even later, there were giants on the earth who were descendants of human women and the [b]heavenly beings. They were the great heroes and famous men of long ago.

KJV
Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.


Good news
Daniel 3:25
[25]“Then why do I see four men walking about in the fire?” he asked. “They are not tied up, and they show no sign of being hurt — and the fourth one looks like an angel.”

Also, Adam did not want to be God. He wanted to be like God. They are two different things.The promise that Satan made Adam and Eve is shown below


KJV
Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

AMPLIFIED
Genesis 3:5
[5]For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing the difference between good and evil and blessing and calamity.


Adam was not the son of God as a result of reproduction. We are sons of God as a result of reproduction. Adam did not want to become God, he wanted to be like God.

knowingChrist:
This is a well written material. For this I'll say welldone.

However, your premises for this is incorrect and pardon me for saying this.

Jesus says the scriptures called them gods bc they had already made themselves gods by creating their own ways and taking judgment by their own hands and not the standards of God. This is what Jesus was telling and it's the context of psalm 82.

I don't know where you heard what you said but I'll advice you to study the topic again and ask yourself this: why didn't any of the apostles call us gods? Why did they refer to us as sons of God and not gods? Why did Adam who was the son of God wanted to be god?

You are making me sound like a broken record.

When a person calls himself a son/child of God, he is actually calling himself God That was the Crux of of the issue the Jews had with Jesus. All Jesus did was merely call God his father. The Jews took up stones to stone him because they knew that by if anyone called himself a child/son of God, he was by implication calling himself God. Jesus never contested nor corrected that conclusion, instead he corroborated it. Every time you call yourself a son of God, you are calling yourself God. I can tell for free that if this were back then in Jesus' days, all those Christian's who go about calling themselves children of God would get crucified like Jesus was crucified.

Calling yourself a Son of God is the same as calling yourself God. So, each time the Bible calls us sons of God, it was actually calling us God.

You said God called those people God's in Psalm 82:6 because they already called themselves God. That's not true. There is nothing in that chapter that suggest it. You write-ups are riddled with personal opinion and not Gods opinion. Since you can't wrap your mind around the fact of a child of God being God, you are going about twisting God's word with personal opinions to prove that that fact is not true.

Steep:

Psalm 82 vv 6 was speaking about Israelities Judges or rulers. Elohim is sometimes used to describe magistrates or Judges of israel and also a general word for deities.

The logic "if God begot us then we are Gods" is flawed because spiritual birth is not like physical birth, those born of God do not become Gods, this is a false teaching propagate by false teachers.

The Greek interpretation [b] does not distinguish between "a god and God".

When a man becomes born again, his Spirit is reborn in the image of God, however this does not make him God. The image means a resemblance of God not the exact.

One thing is the devil twist the word of God, when he said you shall be like God in the Garden of Eden he didn't specify in what way.

Christians share in the divine nature in things like his holiness, righteousness,kindness,love etc
This is the image of his son that is born in a saved person.

Jesus Christ's proved the correct interpretation of Psalm 82: 6 is with reference to deity when he quoted it in John 10:34. He called God his father and the Jews tried to stone him. He asked why they were trying to stone him. They told him it was because you, a man, are calling yourself a deity. His response was that there was nothing with me, a man, calling myself deity after all God had called humans deity in the scripture. Jesus' correct interpretation of Psalm 82:6 proves that a man can be God.

If you have ever read any of the prophesis of King David concerning Jesus in the Psalms. In many of them he seem to be talking about himself. Reference to them by Peter and Paul made it clear he was prophesying. Consider an example: Thou wilt not abandon my soul in hell, thou will not allow they holy one to see corruption. If you read that verse in context in the Psalm, you will conclude he was talking about himself, yet Peter, on the day of Pentecost gave the correct interpretation to mean he was referring to Christ. Similarly, contrary to the conclusion you came to on reading Psalm 82:6 in context, Jesus gave the correct interpretation in John 10:34 to mean calling men Gods.


The assertion that if God begat us we are Gods is not flawed. It was the very reason the Jews nearly stoned jesus. It was the very reason they killed him. It stood to common sense to the Jews that if God were to have a son/child, his child will also be God because all beings give birth to children after their kind. Jesus in his reaction to the Jews in John 10 agreed with then. In stead of telling them that their conclusion was wrong, he instead said their was nothing wrong with him claiming to be God.

It is not true that the Greek makes no distinction between Gods and gods. Greek language has but capital and small letters. The Greek language also has rules for capitalisation. They could have simply used a small letter in place of a capital letter in the word Theo.

The Hebrew word Elohim is used exclusively in scriptures to refer to God. If you say this is not so, then give me a scriptural verse we're it is not so. I will readily prove you wrong. I have a copy of the original text.

When a person is born again, he is born of God. He receives the exact same nature God has which Bible calls the Divine nature, that is, nature of deity(2 Peter 1:4). Also, he receives the exact same life God has called Eternal life. (1 John 5:11). If a person who is born of God has the exact same nature that God has, and the exact same life that God then he is definitely God. God has the Divine life, the life of Deity- Zoe. His children have have the Divine life , the life of Deity called Zoe. They are definitely Gods.

You said spiritual birth is different from physical birth. That is true. Bible gave us the basic difference between spiritual birth and physical birth.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Physical birth produces physical beings, spiritual birth produces spirit beings. God is a spirit, when he gives birth to children, his children are spirits ( who live in physical bodies).

My advice to you is to consult different translations and the original text often when you study your Bible. It will make things clear to you. I suggest you start with John 1:13 for a start . You will see reason to change your mind.

knowingChrist Yes Bible called Jesus God.

We see this in John 1:1
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

If you read down the above chapter you will know that the Word there was referring to Jesus.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.




We also see this in Philippians 2:5
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:




A child/ son of God is God.
If God were to give birth to children, his children will be beings after his kind.


John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.


We are not children of God because we obey God. We are children of God because God fathered us. He gave birth to us. We came out of his loins.


John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but o[b]f God.[/b]


James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.


Children are beings after the kind of their parents. A son/child of God is God.

Note we are not gods but Gods. That was a translation error. In the original Hebrew text, what was translated gods in Psalm 82:6 is the Hebrew word Elohim. Which is the same word translated God in Genesis 1:1.


The word translated gods in John 10:34 is the Greek word Theo which is the same word translated God in John 1:1. In fact, in John 10:34, the word Theo was capitalized in the original Greek text.


What you need to ask yourself is this: " Did God father us?" , if yes, we are beings after his kind, we are Gods.

Dear Beosten, it is sad that you allowed the agents of Satan to deceive you. I can assure you that I had similar experience to yours
, but yours was nothing compared to what happened to me. Mine was way way more serious than yours. But, I stood my ground in faith and overcame them all. Today, if they hear my name they will fear.

For many months, babalawos, witches, wiizards and occultic people who are Nairalanders came at me. I heard their voices. They tried to break my spirit. They failed. They attacked me physically. I dealt with them. They threatened me. I called off their bluff. In the end I got a lot of them killed.

But one thing I discovered during the encounter is that babalawos, witches, wizards and occultic people can know things supernaturally. The amount of things this people knew about me was staggering. It was as if someone had handed a file documenting details of my life to them. But I refused to fall for the antics, tricks, and the deceit of those people. They attempted to kill me but I ended up killing millions of them. Yes, millions of them.

Please, please. You made a mistake. Please, please, retrace your steps and return back to your Christian faith.

I had decided not to visit nairaland again , if not, I would have seen your post earlier.

Below are links of the story about my encounter with them. Because of you, I will prayerfully complete the details of the account in the second thread. I had decided to abandoned it because of time, but now I will create time out of no time to finish it.

Believe me, the right thing to do is to call off the bluff of those people. You did not even face one-millionth of what I faced.

Witches, wizards, babalawos and occultic people are very, very many on nairaland and they monitor people's activities on nairaland . This site is a den for them. This I came to discover. You most probably contacted them on nairaland, just as I also contacted them on nairaland. The mistake you made was going to others for deliverance. In my own case I refused to go to any man of God for any deliverance. I faced them all alone and I overcome them. They even advised me twice to go to Adeboye or any other man of God for deleverance. I refused. I faced them alone. I had preached that it was possible for one child of God to bring the entire kingdom of the devil down. I chose to live what I preached

As you read this post, they are monitoring you to see what you will do. Don't fear them. If I can defeat them, then, you can defeat them.

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

The above scripture was my favourite scripture that I used against them. And geuss what, it worked more than efficiently.


Below is the first link.


https://www.nairaland.com/6726214/true-life-encounter-nairalanders-witches


The second link is below


https://www.nairaland.com/6929263/details-encounter-nairalanders-witches-wizards


I trust that you will learn from my encounter and will garther courage to dump them and go back to your Christian faith.

Beosten:
In my formative years, we were three fiery brothers practising Christianity in Iwo town -- two of us very poor, but with strange will to survive. After secondary education and with nothing to live for, first among us was a talented beggar. As the second guy, my mother is late, and my father's whereabout was unknown. So, the first guy and I were living in one of the three houses I knew belonged to the father of the 3rd guy, but the father didn't care about the 3rd guy, though. The first guy is a genius in gathering monies through request for "urgent 2k" -- we lived on this for years.

Miraculously, I and the 3rd guy obtained degrees in science and administration respectively; the first guy obtained a degree in theology and became the chaplain of a university Chapel.

But those days as a fiery Christian, I lost 40% of my hearing. The last time I visited the first guy of a chaplain, he needed me to source urgent 5k for him. Just this morning, the 3rd guy called me that he has bone fractures and is receiving treatment at the Ogbomosho general hospital. He needs money at least for feeding, but none is forthcoming. Let me add that the first guy is in Baptist, I was in Winners Chapel while the 3rd guy is a Mountain of Fire adherent.

Then I joined the ministry in Winners Chapel. Oratory is still my best physical gift -- those in Winners Chapel Adeeke, Iwo in 2005 will remember me by the name Yinka. I had studied the scriptures from "paali to paali"; prayer sessions I handled those days looked like wartime events. While in the university, I was sent to pastor a new church in another town and did so successfully. But when I started full-time ministry, what you would usually call hosts of hell came banging at my door. They would tell me what would happen the following day and they would come to pass. They would tell me Mr A was at my door while I was still sleeping by 6:30am and that would be so.

Later, those spirits told me why I am on earth, and if I neglect my path, I would regret being born. They said I'm a Babalawo by design. I quickly went on overdrive binding "thoughts that may setup their selves against God's knowledge and every disobedience..." Then I would hear strange laughter of a group of persons suggesting the spirits were many. Then I traveled to see a primary school mate who is making waves as a general overseer of a church. All his prayers or deliverance made no difference.

Then voices started threatening me and commanded me to go to a village whose name I never heard hitherto saying that someone is waiting for me there. I googled the name of the town and I found it. I went there because previous messages didn't fail. I met the person and the priestess gave a stern warning that refusing to work for the gods would be a deadly decision. I accepted the calling right away.

But divination is not that easy to learn. I know someone who spent eight years on it. I became a pro within five months by some rare twists of events and within nine months, I became a full-blown Babalawo.

I'm tempted to say that Christians practice something different from what the Bible taught me. In 2020, my daughter was on life support at Bowen University Teaching Hospital, Ogbomosho. The bills were clearly beyond what my 50k salary could handle. I requested for help from the church hierarchy by calling the district pastor, and he said I should follow a correct route in channelling my request. I replied that I first of all called the area pastor who directed me and gave me his number to call. The district pastor started sounding offensive. That was why I came to nairaland and made a thread for help.

https://www.nairaland.com/5637056/meconium-aspiration-syndrome-baby

A nairalander sent a huge amount of money to me in the following thread to clear hospital bills.

https://www.nairaland.com/5641659/leave-patient-hospital-because-lack#86385594

I tendered a resignation letter in Winners Chapel in 2021 with two weeks notice. Before the notice elapsed and till today, I never heard anything from them about my resignation. But when the district church mistakenly paid a sum of money into my bank account after I had left (that money ought to be sent to the current pastor of the church) I told the accountant and he asked me to refund it immediately. While working there, I never had any history of misconduct. They treated me as though I never existed; that action reduced me to a new low, lower than the basest of animals...

The following advice is indispensable: life is not all about money; you're here on a certain assignment.



https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5277426729005304&id=100002140864850

It's sad that you allowed the agents of Satan to deceive you. I can assure you that I had similar experience to yours
, but yours was nothing compared to what happened to me. Mine was way way more serious than yours. But, I stood my ground in faith and overcame them all. Today, if they hear my name they will fear.

For many months, babalawos, witches, wiizards and occultic people who are Nairalanders came at me. I heard their voices. They tried to break my spirit. They failed. They attacked me physically. I dealt with them. They threatened me. I called off their bluff. In the end I got a lot of them killed.

But one thing I discovered during the encounter is that babalawos, witches, wizards and occultic people can know things supernaturally. The amount of things this people knew about me was staggering. It was as if someone had handed a file documenting details of my life to them. But I refused to fall for the antics, tricks, and the deceit of those people. They attempted to kill me but I ended up killing millions of them. Yes, millions of them.

Please, please. You made a mistake. Please, please, retrace your steps and return back to your Christian faith.

I had decided not to visit nairaland again , if not I would have seen your post earlier.

Below are links of the story about my encounter with them. Because of you, I will prayerfully complete the details of the account in the second thread. I had decided to abandoned it because of time, but now I will create time out of no time to finish it.

Believe me, the right thing to do is to call off the bluff of those people. You did not even face one-millionth of what I faced.

Witches, wizards, babalawos and occultic people are very, very many on nairaland and they monitor people's activities on nairaland . This site is a den for them. This I came to discover. You most probably contacted them on nairaland, just as I also contacted them on nairaland. The mistake you made was going to others for deliverance. In my own case I refused to go to any man of God for any deliverance. I faced them all alone and I overcome thrm. They even advised me twice to go to Adeboye or any other man of God for deleverance. I refused. I faced them alone. I had preached that it was possible for one child of God to bring the entire kingdom of the devil down. I chose to live what I preached

As you read this post, they are monitoring you to see what you will do. Don't fear them. If I can defeat them them, you can defeat them.

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

The above scripture was my favourite scripture that I used against them. And geuss what it worked more than efficiently.


Below is the first link.


https://www.nairaland.com/6726214/true-life-encounter-nairalanders-witches


The second link is below


https://www.nairaland.com/6929263/details-encounter-nairalanders-witches-wizards


I trust that you will learn from my encounter and will garther courage to dump them and go back to your Christian faith.

Pastoshizzy:
I want to expand my knowledge as regards a crucial part of the church and it's workers (Clergyhood) as a Christian.

I've had a lot of people talk about THE CALL OF GOD and all cases I've heard seems to vary. Off course it's obvious there is an increase in misinterpretation as regards the topic which can translate to frustration and falsehood as we have everywhere today.

I understand some people are not called in divinity (spiritual experience) but study and acquire certificates to be Pastors, Evangelists, Clergy Teachers, Apostles and Prophets. But I refer to people that claim to experience the call of God from God Himself.

I've had personal testimonies of my own that are extraordinary (supernatural) happenings in which I can attribute each one of them to the grace and mercy of God. Hence, my faith is enhanced through these happenings. And I must confess I wouldn't settle for less (JESUS is Lord!). So atheists..back off!

Which brings me to the question.

How do you know God is calling you or has called you to serve Him in Spirit and in truth?
Or do you know of someone close to you that can be a yardstick of genuine call from God. I and a whole lot of people ignorant of this divine experience may benefit from your contribution in several ways. Thank you.

Please I strongly advise you to always ignore whatever kobojunkie says. He doesn't understand the Bible although he sincerely believes he does. His assertions are always full of misinterpretations. What I like about him , however, is his confidence. He confidently speaks misinformation and misinterpretations. He has absolutely no regard for God's word. Most of the time, when I read his assertions, I laugh out my heart at the degree of error in them.

He doesn't know that a blessing is a supernatural empowerment to prosper and that a curse is a supernatural empowerment to fail.

He doesn't know that all children of God are also children of Abraham by faith.

He doesn't know that until Jesus died and shed his blood for the redemption of the world, nobody got redeemed and nobody got born again.

And many more...Like I do, just ignore his posts. Don't even waste your valuable time reading them.



Away from that and now to the op.
Your thread was not well captioned.

God calls people to be apostles, prophets, teachers, and evangelists; but God doesn't have to necessarily call a person before the person can be a pastor. A person can be appointed into the office of a pastor.

1 1 Timothy 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

The Greek word translated bishop there is the word episkope which means overseer ( or overseership) which in the context it was used means pastor.

Simply put a person can desire to be a pastor and work towards it. It is very scriptural.

You need to separate a calling from an office. There is the office of a pastor, teacher, prophet, evangelist and an apostle; and there is the divine call to be a pastor, prophet, teacher, evangelist and apostle.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

If a person is divinely called to be a pastor, prophet, teacher, evangelist and an apostle; it is his destiny to occupy the associated office.

As I said earlier, even if you are not called to be a pastor, you can desire the office of a pastor and work towards it which can lead to you being appointed into the office of a pastor. That then makes you a pastor.

So, there is a pastor by divine call and there is a pastor by appointment.


Your thread should have been captioned,"Share your experience on God calling you into ministry" instead.

seyezy:
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I have sent you an invite.

abbey621:


The keyword here is ceremony! Are both parties competent? Were there witnesses? Was it documented, either paper, photos and/or video? If these requirements were met then no court in Nigeria would deny that the union is valid, fornication no longer exists once dowry is accepted, the rest na packaging.

This is exactly what I was telling Kobojunkie, but he maintained that only registered marriages are valid.

Thanks have a good day. Nice chatting with you.

abbey621:


There's no such thing as religious marriage anymore, it is all traditional. For you to get married in a church or by a Muslim clerics, certain requirements must be met such as parental consent, witnesses and in some cases dowry. No credible pastor or Alfa would officiate a union without one hence the term traditional or customary. Moving on, your opening sentence just stated the court will recognize it even if not registered but you contradict yourself by explaining further why it must be registered.

I know for a fact the court recognizes church and niqqah certificates without registering with the governemnt as long as certain requirements are met. Like I said to another person, the only difference between being married at a court/registry and being married in church or via niqqah is the level of protection one' gives over the other, e.g traditional allows polygamy while court registry simply does not.

So, if you just go with you relatives to the woman's house and pay dowry and do a marriage ceremony, then take the woman to your house. Has marriage not occurred? If you sleep with such a woman, are you committing fornication?

abbey621:


Most are registered, either church or the Muslim Niqqah, both issue certificates that serves as registration, of course court weddings provide more protection(Monogamy, etc) but in over 900 cases brought before the courts in the past 10 years, the religious marriage certificates was enough proof of validity.

Even if the are not registered, the court will still recognise it. BTW apart from a court the certificate issued during church marriage and Niqqah is not recognised in most paces. Until you register a marriage at a marriage registry, it is not yet registered. A marriage is deemed to be registered only and only of it is registered with the government. Those certificate issued during religious marriage just help to proof that a marriage has occurred. That certificate can then be used as a basis for registering the marriage with the government.

One more thing, church and mosque marriage are not traditional marriages, they are regious marriages. There are three types of marriages on Nigeria: court, religious, and traditional. Any of these three is valid, but each still need to be registered. Kobojunkie note the above.

fuck419:


Do you mean the guy is a bastard?

Sorry, I don't understand your question.

Kobojunkie:
Any marriage done according to legal and constitution provisions is registered. So, if the marriage is unregistered, it means it no enter. Simple.

I know of one such myself.

This will be my last post on this to you.

You can only register something that has taken place for national record purposes and to get a formal document to show people without having to resort to a court that that thing has occurred. If you don't have a formal proof you may miss such benefits unless the court comes to your rescue.

That something was not registered does not mean it never occurred.

For example, birth. That a birth was not registered does not mean it did not occur. You and I know that a person without a birth certificate will face a lot of disavantages until the court bail him out.

Another example of is death. That a death was not registered does not mean it never occurred, but without a death certificate, how do you claim the vast amount in your late dad's account.. Many deaths go unregistered.

Similarly, before you register a marriage,for record purposes, it must first have occurred. That you did not register it does not mean it never occurred. If you don't register it, you face some disavantages until the court comes to your rescue.

I have never met anyone who registered traditional marriage, but,I know that inspite of this many people which such marriage seek divorce in the court of law. If such marriages were not valid, the court would never entertain such cases.

The important point to note is this: you can only register something that had occurred, whether birth, marriage or death.

Kobojunkie:
Even your customary marriages are expected to be registered at the local government marriage offices, are they not?

They should be. Whether registered or not, a marriage done according to legal and constitutional provision is valid.

People hardly register customary marriages because you need to provide proof that a marriage occurred before you can register it. People just don't go through the stress.

I can't count the number of divorce cases of traditionarily married people I have read on nairaland. You can't end a marriage that never existed.

Kobojunkie:
You know this is another angle the OP could look into. If the marriage between his father and mother were never in fact registered, maybe OP could use that to his benefit. What do you think?

So a marriage that is not registered is not valid. There is something called customary law.

tsinzu:

You are wrong, what you are talking about is transexual which means people that have changed their sexual organs surgically. Transgender is different, these are men with full male organs claiming that they are women in a man's body or vice versa. The stupid democrats and liberals around the world are busy passing laws that allows people to have access to bathrooms and other private facilities of the opposite sex once they claim they identify as that sex. For instance, a man can wake up one day and decide that he wants to start identifying as a woman and the law says you must allow such a man access to female facilities without requiring him to surgically change his sexual organs.

You are close but not quite right. Transexuals are born hamaphrodite while transgenders are not.

joe4christ:


You're wrong ma'am. They don't have male torso. Atleast not the physical male torso. It has been medically tempered with and transformed into a female Vjay. But if such a person performs sexual gratification like lesbians do, the transgender could release semen into the lesbian female and get her pregnant. And I think that's exactly what happened here!

No you are wrong. Most retain the sex organ they were born with and only change their physical feautures like having big boobs, long hair and big ass by taking homones injection.

Elliotwaveforec:

Thanks for educating him. They were born with both organs, not their fault.

That's not true. Those born with both sex organs are called INTERSEX. TRANSGENDERS are born with one sex organ, but they change their body features to the opposite sex's feature. Most retain thier initial sex organ while looking physically like the opposite sex( like what we have in the op.). Very few change their sex organ.