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nuclearboy:
@Maddock:

Nice testimony and God witness I have NO reason to disbelieve you.

But do you believe miracles and healings counter or cross out Holiness and a life dedicated to seeking Heaven? Have you forgotten Christ said He will tell Miracle workers who believed they were His people that He never knew them? Do you think these people Christ is talking of are Herbalists in our midst or pastors/prophets/apostles/etc? Or would you say Christ didn't know what He was saying?

I personally find only this distasteful - the overtly extensive unholy "upliftment" of a man. THAT position of "He's great in this generation etc" is likely the problem you guys have yourself caused for him.

Allegations against him and the prosperity issue are secondary. The main problem you (and he) have is you all have turned him into something more than Man. Support Christ, not Chris!

You know for once l seem to understand your concern, ", the overtly extensive unholy "upliftment" of a man" so what makes it unholy l mean what now is the "holy" form doing it because esteeming those whom God has given rule over us is biblical except you are yet to discover this scripture
1 Thessalonians 5:12-13
"And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very HIGHLY in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves"
Now for the benefit of the many sincere objective minds that might read this, please allow me to employ the services of the Amplified version of the same portion of scripture

"Now also we beseech you, brethren, get to know those who labour among you [recognize them for what they are, acknowledge and appreciate and respect them all]-your leaders who are over you in the Lord and those who warn and kindly reprove and exhort you. And hold them in very high and most affectionate esteem in [intelligent and sympathetic] appreciation of their work. Be at peace among yourselves."

You see nuclearboy your problem is summarized in these words of Jesus Christ- ", you err because you know not the scriptures, " When the world celebrate their own to whatever degree they deem fitting creating so called "Icons" and "Legends" out of them, nobody says anything. But when personality and leaders of the church are celebrated then critics and enemies of the church like you turn loose the taps of their foolishness and ignorance saying rubbish and writing things that are fundamentally baseless.

Among the several synonyms provided in explaining the Greek word translated "to esteem" here (Hegeomai) are such words like consider, suppose, think count etc

So the apostle was saying ", consider, think, count, suppose, them very high, "

There is a very big difference between personality worship of a man and considering a man in very high esteem, please l'd advice you trade your luggage of jealousy and pride for humility. And you should be very careful because you seem to be on course fulfilling scripture negatively perhaps stepping into the shoes of those of your kind who have preceded your unfortunate arrival- Pharisees and Sadducees who in like manner persecuted the followers and apostles of Jesus Christ for talking, preaching and teaching about the "man" Jesus, why? Because they knew as a man, they knew his parents, brothers and sisters thus rendering the ability of their faculty incapacitated in successfully comprehending that reality.
Acts 5:40
"And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostle, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go"

WARNING!
BE CAREFULL! BE CAREFULL!! BE CAREFULL!!!

KunleOshob:
^^^
What's so good about the filthy congratulatory messages you guys are posting that Oyaks who doesn't even know or care you exist would never read. All he cares about is how your money gets into his pocket. How much did you drop for offer7? I am sure you are dead broke now and christmas looks bleak. and it only gets worse as come january oyaks is taking all his muguns to the cleaners again via first fruits.

You know l sympathize with you deeply, this thread didn't turn out as had intended.
Sorry, this man is an unstoppable force that’s so focused such that distractions like you are not given even the least considerations

Thank you Pastor
Happy birthday

KunleOshob:
Today is Oyaks birthday, though he is not known to be a member of this forum he has developed a notorious reputation for himself via his confirmed staged miracles and manipulation of the gospel for self enrichment. He has also been reported to have destroyed several lives and bred many criminals who are routinely caught stealing their employers money for the benefit of the con man. Pastor chris is ably represented on this forum as many of his accolytes and muguns frequent this forum in a bid to defend the false and ridiculous doctrines he regurgitates. Annually the highlight of pastor chris birthday is a competition amongst his various branches to see which branch/zone would raise the highest amount of money for this demigod's birthday gift, you should see the way these magas try to out do themselves in giving to the scammer, they levy themselves, tax, steal, defraud, prostitu.te, borrow e.t.c just to out give themselves to this criminal.

Current and former CE members are invited to share their experience concerning this scam popularly called OFFER 7 in CEC plc.

l remember you saying that God has "called" you to do such and such, is this how "He" told you to do it by trying to run down others, well only small, insignificant perenual under achievers talk in that manner of successful people. Its a shame how you express yourself.

Anyway thank you for the opportunity to gladly wish a prophet of our generation and man sent from God Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Phd. a very happy birthday today, Pastor you are such a great man!

The term "Man of God" isn't something particular is any sense to today's contemporary church it has always been a part of the church.
2 Timothy 3:17
" That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works" also we see the same of term by the apostle
1 Timothy 6:11
"But thou O man of God, flee these things and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness"

Question who does this term apply to?
Well the answer is simple the bible is the standard and basis for deriving our definition and we can start from even the references above. The letters were addressed to a relatively young minister who was the pastoral head of the church at
Ephesus. Timothy was one of paul's convert Acts 16:1-3

"Then came he to Derby and Lystra and behold a certain disciple was there, named TImotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him, "

To be a man of God means a man with a responsibility from God either by an express one-on-one directive from God like in the case of Moses, Paul, Abraham, even Jesus or by delegation from a superior like in the case of Jesus' disciples which He chose and commissioned them, because they didn't here the voice of God calling or instructing them, they heard the voice of God through the lips of "the man- Jesus" and Timothy, there is no record of God calling him but God called him when he answered the voice of the man Paul who thought him and delegated him overseer of the church at Ephesus thus referring to him as a man of God.

As Christians we have been called and commissioned by God with a responsibility Matthew 28:19-20 " Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; teaching them to observe all things whatsoever l have commanded you: and, lo, l am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen"
Mark 16:15 ", Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature"

2 Corinthians 5:18-19
" And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and hat given to us the ministry of reconciliation; to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation"

Hebrews 3:1
" Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus"
Thus because of the above any Christian regardless of age, race, sex, etc is a " man of God"

But be that as it may though, we are not all at the same level, God is a God of order structure and that's where many have gotten it wrong so you hear them out of ignorance make statements like ", are we not all anointed, are we not all men of God etc"

Yes, but the body is not in chaos rather it is well systematically structured and fundamentally articulate. The pastor and his members are not at the same level in the sight of God regardless whatever underlining factors the pastor occupies and office and it's not a title and as such should revered and regarded accordingly. The members are typologically referred to as the sheep while the pastor or overseer is referred to as the shepherd
Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto
Yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

Though Timothy was called a man of God, Paul was his own man of God

With all due respect to all respected nairaland members, l can't truly see anyone who convincingly deserves to be nominated and eventually awarded this prestigious recognition of commitment for the year under review other than this individual- Joagbaje for his commitment, open-mindedness and consistency.

Secondly, please allow me to nominate the amiable Deepsight for all the intelligent responses and objectivity.

Finally, l saw a nomination for Nuclearboy, oh no of all members, no maybe for previous year not for this year, l would rather nominate him for the Trouble Maker of the Year (TMY), Number-one Thread Distractor of the Year (NTDY), and the most notorious of all is this- The Number-one Privacy Invader of the Year (TNPIY)

  What you deserve for this year is a ban!!!

JeSoul:
Joagbaje, thanks for the reply. I will be back probably next week to continue. The news of my good friend Bawo's death has rendered me totally devastated and heart-broken. I cannot post coherently right now. Thanks for your patience.

At this juncture l wish to join the league of people like Joagbaje, Biox and other concerned nairalanders is sympatizing and expressing my heart felt condolence to you JeSoul for the loss and also praying that God grant you the strength to bear the loss.
Well as a note of advice l think people like our Nuclearboy, KunleOshob and others in their ranks would rather copy this good gesture rather than insisting on enjoying a worhtless continuity of meaningless and unproductive arguments which has become morethan ever increasingly unfashionable.

nuclearboy:
I see MORONS jumping in head first (into a dry concrete pond) to complain.

When Jo stated Kunle Osobu's name publicly, was that not an invasion of privacy? When he said Kunle sells hand-outs and lives off that, you saw naught wrong with that. When he lied and said he was not a pastor and tithe-receiver but an artist, you all didn't remember he was a christian. When he twists the BiBLE into a pretzel, that's fine by you.

But when he's exposed, you crawl out the woodwork and weep. HYPOCRITES, white-washed sepulchres, descendants of the Sanhedrin, your fathers did same and what was their gain? Condemnation b4 God

I have removed the pictures ONLY because I never knew it was against forum rules. But this ought teach you that nothing is truly hidden. By the way, Wetin una see wey you dey complain? I laugh as God does, looking at the nations

@Nuclearboy,
A forum of intellectuals like this should not be a place for people like you in the first place.
You should be ashamed of this your despicableness

@Nuclearboy
with regards to the pictures you posted above, if that is really Joagbaje's church, then isn't this an invasion of privacy which is against the rules of nairaland.
but the church fine o

@Joagbaje
I think you should be sincere enough to primarily concentrate on the sincere concerns of KunleOsob's interview questions because l feel he is sincere.

Please let us bring let us bring this thread back on track. thank

@KunleOsthob
perhaps l should remind you about the nature of this thread, you initiated it to be as it were an interview with joagbaje so why not allow him respond to your questions and in accordance with the ethics of interview one of which is:
Objectivity, it would a colosal defeat of purpose if the brain child of yours becomes a viable ground for the usual aguements and name calling.

Please initiator kindly get this thread back on track seniquanon it primary purpose.

@Azibalua
With all due respect please l would request that you don't deray this thread, l feel you are doing harm to this thread which l considered at the first to be a genuinely healthy and sincere opportunity to establish a productive and meaningful discussion.

please Azibalua allow us to maintain the focus of this thread. Thank you

This is a very good and cheery news, We pray that he does well and perhaps use his office to create opportunity for young, viabrant and talented Nigerian players.

@Kay 17
l think you should rather not comment on issues that beggers your understanding. You know nothing of this God, otherwise if you did, you would have had a second thought perhaps before expressing your ignorance in saying the things you said on the 4th of Nov, 2010. God doesn't require the aid or support from any being and that includes humans. To be God means that He is the sole source and giver of life.

So perhaps next time kindly try to keep silent on issues you don't understand

free123:
@newmi
why people study the Bible is to have the knowledge of the word of God, to apply it in everthing they do and even to defend and counter any opposing word coming from pastors, rev fathers even angels. When people debug chris' teachings using the scriptures, i do not expect u to start pointing fingers rather develop a neutral mind and go through those teachings, compare them with what the Bible (not Rhapsody of Reality) actually teaches and come up with better defence.

Thanks for your comments sure constructive criticism is logical but some people from experience and deligent observation have consistently demonstrated their unconstructiveness in presenting their criticism why? because they've choosen not to see anything good about this man and you begin to wonder why the intense hate and antigonism.

As much as l know the scripture cos l have spent my whole life studying the Bible and learning to live it everyday so l know when something is in error and when it is align with bible truths. Wait a minute, this Rhasody of Reality what is the discredence the question is most of the those who have choosen to at any cost to always see nothing good about this great piece of write up. Nobody said that this book is replacing the place of the bible no and Pst. Chris himself has never said or insinuated that either directly or indirectly.

For instance
Love Without Limits
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God” (Ephesians 3:17-19).

Here, the Apostle Paul, through the Spirit lets us know how important it is for us to comprehend the immensity of God’s love; His boundless love, which can only be grasped by revelation. Thus, he prayed that by the help of God’s Spirit, God’s people would comprehend the limitless dimensions of the Father’s love: its length, and depth, and height.

Paul wasn’t just referring to having a mental knowledge or understanding of God’s love when he used the word “comprehend” in the scripture above. Rather he used the Greek word “katalambano” which means to understand something and make it yours; to make it your present reality! Scientific knowledge of human mental activity can’t grasp the love of Christ. That’s why the Spirit of God, through the Apostle Paul, prays that you’ll be able to comprehend the boundless, immeasurable and unconditional love the Father has towards you. It’s love without limits.

God loves you! As simple as this truth may sound, if you dare believe it, and let it sink deep into your consciousness, it will change your life forever and give you a new confidence. God’s love is the greatest power in the universe. No wonder the Spirit of God, through the Apostle Paul prayed “…that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God” (Ephesians 3:17-19).

Get secured in the Father’s love; take advantage of the fact that He loves you with an everlasting love (Jeremiah 31:3). He loves you as though you were the only one on earth! Thus every morning when you wake up, say, “Thank you Lord, for loving me so much, without limits!”

Prayer
Christ dwells in my heart by faith; and I, being rooted and grounded in love, comprehend with all saints the boundless love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that I may be filled with all the fullness of God! Amen.

Further Study
Ephesians 2:4-5
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Daily Scripture Reading
1 Year Bible Hebrews 13
Reading plan Jeremiah 36-37

2 Year Bible 1 John 3:13-24
Reading Plan Daniel 1-2

Rhapsody of Realities Pastor Chris Oyakhilome
(An extract from the Nov 16)

Now CRITICS what could possibly be wrong with this write up thus qualifying it to be the wrongly represented aas a book of error.

And l can't see any aspect encouraging the use of the Rhapsody of Reality in place of studying the bible rather is makes futher efforts to encourage people to culture their minds in the discipline of systematically studying their bible, with a 1 year and 2 years bible reading plan. TELL WHAT COULD BE WRONG WITH THIS ARTICLE EXCEPT THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE HAVE SIMPLY CHOOSEN TO BE UNREALITICALLY CRITICAL ABOUT NOTHING.


I THROW THIS AS A CHALLENGE TO ANYBODY INCLUDING YOU, WHO HAS SUCCESSFULLY DICTECTED ANY INCONSISTENCY(IES) WITH THIS ARTICLE ORELSE LETS STOP CRITISIZING WHAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND.

NOW DON'T FORGET THIS SCRIPTURE
Acts 5:34-39
"Then stood there up one in the council, a pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in repulation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forht a little space;
And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.
For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.
After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and dew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
AND NOW I SAY UNTO YOU, REFRAIN FROM THESE MEN, AND LET THEM ALONE: FOR IF THIS COUNSEL OR THIS WORK BE OF MEN, IT WILL COME TO NOUGHT:
BUT F IT BE OF GOD, YE CANNOT OVERTHROW IT, LEST HAPLY YE BE FOUND EVEN TO FIGHT AGAIST GOD."

Don't run something down simply because you hate it rather let it be because it lacks credence.

@Enigma
Some people just feel that they can simply just open their mouth and talk about any man of God they so which to talk about, well wake up!!! times have changed and if you understand scripture as much as you claim to then it is expected that you recognize that you apply caution when issues of God's servants or the church of Christ are brought up otherwise we might as well start questoning your depth of bible knowledge, who knows you must have staudied it for simple reason to succeed in the business of fault findings, I WISH YOU THE BEST, BUT BE REMINDED THAT THE WORD OF GOD DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT. YAH HEARD!!!!

Enigma:
Joagbaje really ought to be ashamed of his strategy of trying to spread the writings of a spiritual vagabond -- as he himself described it. In fact, if he was sufficiently enlightened biblically he would simply be ashamed of the writings of the spiritual vagabond (Chris Oyakhilome) altogether.

Look at today's 'word' for example which reveals either ignorance of the scriptures or trickery/chicanery by the writer. Anyone who understands the gospel of Jesus Christ and the teachings of the apostles would easily recognise the opening post as baloney aka tosh aka nonsense. The thing does not even work for members of the charlatan's congregation which is why there are many examples of them going to steal other people's money and properties.

Yẹyẹful!

Can't you see, l mean with all your socalled experience, understanding the writings on the wall has become an illusive luxuary that you just seem not to be predisposed to afford. For all these years people like you and many of your kind have been successfully (l must not fail to comment) failing to talk this man and the vision that God has givien him. Don't you learn? For God sake with all the bible you claim to know perhaps you have not come across this advice and wise councel by one of Israels most respected scribes and religious leaders during the days of the apostle as a response to a case study with little or no difference to what is presently obtainable today.

Acts 5:34-39
"Then stood there up one in the council, a pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in repulation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forht a little space;
And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.
For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.
After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and dew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
AND NOW I SAY UNTO YOU, REFRAIN FROM THESE MEN, AND LET THEM ALONE: FOR IF THIS COUNSEL OR THIS WORK BE OF MEN, IT WILL COME TO NOUGHT:
BUT F IT BE OF GOD, YE CANNOT OVERTHROW IT, LEST HAPLY YE BE FOUND EVEN TO FIGHT AGAIST GOD."

All the scripture you and your group of critics know is only for the benefit of aguing and aguing can't you do something different with wat you know at least make yourself useful. YOU CAN'T STOP THAT MAN, AND I HAVE DONE MY STUDIES AND I HAVE PROOFS TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND AND COMPREHEND WHY YOU CAN'T STOP HIM. YAH HEARD BE WIS!!!!!

@ KunleShob
Where in the scriptures did God say that a man will prosper by share hardwork and luck. Yes hardwork is good but not in the sense you are looking at it, hardwork in scripture in the light of deligence, the bible says in the book of proverbs ", seeth thou a man that is deligent in his ways he shall stand amongst kings and not mean men, "
and for your information, for the christian there's nothing like luck its either the presence of God is with you or not. When the presence of God is with you favours follow you otherwise miss-furtune and shame follows you.
After all success is not a destiantion where someone arrive at rather its an occasion where opportunity meets with propare preparations so a future you are not preparing for now no matter how hard you work you'll not realize it, even if the opportunity comes because you were not prepare, it would slip off why? Because you don't deserve it.

What is wrong in ascribing success and properity to the word of God? ehnnn perpetual critics or haven't you read
Joshua 1:8
"This of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shall meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shall make thy way prosperous, and then thou shall have good success.


Well perhaps you didn't see this ", FOR THEN THOU SHALL MAKE THOU WAY PROSPEROUS, " FOR HOW? BY GIVING ATTENTION TO THE DICTATES OF THE WORD OF GOD, YAH HEARD!!!

KunleOshob:
^^^
Maybe they are taught by example that stealing is a way to prosperity, after all Chris himself is a confirmed fraudulent scammer.

Congratulation super dictective you have not change in your nme calling why can't you come clean where are your proofs. NONSENSE

Joagbaje:
I  had a religious background in a white garment church. But I got born again at the age of 9 through 2 of my elder sisters who had decamped into S.U. and foursquare . They shared with me about end time from time to time, they talked of the rapture, the anti christ and hell fire. That was the salvation message those days. I gave my heart to christ one day while it was about to rain, it thundered heavily,the cloud changed I felt the rapture was about to take place. . I was at home alone.

Firstly, l want to commend your initial response to this invitation which l consider remarkably sincere and down-to-earth.
am really looking forward to your subsequent responses because l think this is a more mature avenue to explain yourself, l just trust JeSoul is sincere and patient to hear you out.

JeSoul:
Q1. Joagbaje, can you briefly tell us how you became a christian? The circumstances? Was it in a church? The way you felt? Was it sudden or over a period of time? what changed in your heart? ps. you don't have to give any personal details you don't want to, just a general idea of how it happened. Thanks.

l want to commend the wisdom behind this idea if it is sincere though, at least lets give the forum to joagbaje to explain his convictions rather than always finding cause to get abusively personal. Once again thank you and mentain the sincerity because l know joagbaje is poisted to coming out straight and real

where else do you think he would be otherthan here on earth
John 14
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 ¶ I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

then in Acts 2
1 ¶ And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Just like Jesus ", ye err because ye know not the scripture, "

The problem with many people is they see the church as one object of cheap tongue-lashing so easy this such that they are almost alway ready to without hesitation pounce on any issue regarding the church or concerning men of God.
Most of them have failed to realize is that is not everything about the church you think you can simply just open your uncautioned mouth and start vomiting foolishness muslim extremist are wrecking havoc on christians and the world at large yet many of this same person are saying nothing.

IF I HEAR! NA FOR HERE YOU WON COME SHOW YOUR STRENGTH

For instance, you hear some people praying and asking God to make them holy or crying and sobing asking God to help them live a holy life. l feel really saddened by their plight, l feel indeply and sympathetically concern for their innocently sincere ignorance.

Ephesians 1
3 ¶ Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Ephesians 2 (this scripture is revealing)
1 ¶ And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11 ¶ Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 ¶ For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

2 Tim 1
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

1 Thess 4:7
7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness

Col 1:22
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Jude 1:24( described God as the one who is able to keep us from falling, isn this amazing. The problem with alot of people is their laziness to engage in spiritual exercises, they read everything else but the book which contains details of thier vital existence- isn't this insipient death?)
little wonder why many are living a low standard life style
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

You know l can go on and on, but the point is there are things you can ask God for like you can ask for perishing souls to won and concerted to God through the preaching of the gospel

some of the scripture above reveals to us how that we have been called to be holy, choosen to be holy, born to be holy all because of the stained blood of Jesus' cross and His penultimate triumphant resurrection. Believe this and stop being a snag to God

Pr 10:1 ¶ The proverbs of Solomon. A wise son maketh a glad father:
Pr 9:12 If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: but if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.
Pr 23:15 My son, if thine heart be wise, my heart shall rejoice, even mine. {even, : or, even I will rejoice}
Pr 23:16 Yea, my reins shall rejoice, when thy lips speak right things.

l love this particular one, for many years it has inspired me
Pr 27:11 ¶ My son, be wise, and make my heart glad, that I may answer him that reproacheth me.

note God is the object of the reproach here yet He says my son be wise so l can respond adequately to this reproaches that means until you come out wise God is being reproached because people instead of praising God they end up perhaps blaming God or piting you and that is the worst thing to do to a christian- to pity him

l know some critical minds which l must admit for the most that l admire, may want to voice their reservations by quoting maybe a scripture like Matthew 7:7
7 ¶ Ask, and it shall be given you,
8 For every one that asketh receiveth,
hmmmm sure what a great and comforting promise.
other wonderful provisionary scriptures are sited in

John 14
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Matt 21:22
22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

John 16 (one my very favourite)
23 ¶ And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

and so on.

but you see as children of the monarch of the universe, we don't ask because we don't have otherwise that would literally negate what the Father hath already achieved in Christ Jesus for us through His Holy Spirit rather we ask placing a demand on the reality of existance of those things for which we desire to manifest in this realm of the senses or like image123 rightly stated those things that ", we don't seem to have, "

Image123:
I get the point, but all this attention grabbing is not worthwhile. There's nothing wrong in praying for what you don't seem to have. Prayer is not only about the right words. Colossians 1v9-11. It's asking for the same thing from different but right perspectives. Those that pray shall renew strength.

Well thank God you said ", don't seem to have, " meaning that we can question the reality of the "not having", that is the reason why it becomes even more out of place because the obvious is merely a seemingly reality not a factual or actual reality otherwise what then do you make of these revealing scripture:

2Corintians 4:15-18
15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.
16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

2 Corinthians 9
11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
12 For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;

1 Corinthians 3
21 ¶ Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;

Therefore let no one boast about his human teachers.
For everything belongs to you--be it Paul or Apollos or Peter, the world or life or death, things present or future--everything belongs to you;
and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.(WNT)

in as much as in the context of 1 corinthians 3 the apostle Paul was addressing an issue of sectarianism and the idea of people constituting factions within the church in the name of pledging their loyalty to one individual or the other such actions were enemical to the unity of the body, He succeeded in bring home to our hearts the reality of our true state in Christ little wonder he added as a parting impression verse 23 ", and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God, "(WNT)

[i]Eph1
3 ¶ Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: [/i]

l know someone might want to comment well thats talking about spiritual blessings and infact in the heavenly realm, yes but have you forgotten so soon that life itself is spiritual, the earth is the physical niche of God's spiritual universe and even more significan is the fact that the spiritual governs the physical

l would reply extensively at a later occassion but for the records; THIS IS REAL RIDICULOUS!!! LOL

Another scripture l love somuch is that in Job 29:11-12
11 When the ear heard me, then it blessed me; and when the eye saw me, it gave witness to me:
12 Because I delivered the poor that cried, and the fatherless, and him that had none to help him.

verse 12 explains why verse 11 made any sense or possible.

Then in James 1:27
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


Matthew 25:36-40
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
2Ti 1:16; Jas 2:15-16
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

As christians, we are encouraged to regularly remember and consider the poor and less-previlleged considering that our plenty, liberty, opportunities, abundance and freedom are all gives of trust for us to be inspired to extend a hand to others who are not somewhat on an equal parametre as we are.

for instance when you hear statistics like this presented by the CNN, that throughout the world, over 900million people do not have access to clean drinking water topics like this ought to become morethan ever at the forefront of serious delibrations by all concerned faithfuls of the gospel of love. Thats why l don't understand what exactly is the problem of that young man (kunleshob), When he should be making meaningful contributions as to how best this concern could be more appropriately given a viable avenue of realistic expression, he is busy aguing and calling names as if anybody gives any two rat's head.

Joagbaje:
Proverbs 19:17
17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.

There are different kinds and definition of poor people Many times we look only at the beggars by the road as "The poor" but i'm making reference to anyone that is not as privilege as you (less privileged) as the poor

Sometimes we tend to give kobo kobo coins to the beggars , just to have the good religious feeling. But we can do better than that. Why can't you give a beggar 1,000 - 5,000 or more. Be a miracle. Be a suprise. Be an answer to someones prayer today. You can sponsor someones child . Give your old car to a family by surprise . Remember the poor.( less privilege)

Everybody ought to be a giver, whatever your level in life , you are still more privileged than someone. You don't have to finish the perfume to the last drop. You don't have to exhaust everything. Things must not expire in your possession. Don't be an end user. Your suit does not have to fade on your shoulder, the shirt must not tear on your body, give them out in time and be a miracle. Look around you today. Several idols are with you that you didn't think of parting with. Some , you may never use, some " isale apoti" Antiquites , shoes, bags etc that your children may not to inherit. Someone needs them now. Be a miracle. Give it out.

In the bible days , one of Gods principles of prosperity for his people was not to harvest everything in the farm. But they were to leave some deliberately for the poor that will come after harvest to glean.

Leviticus 19:10
10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather[ every] grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I[ am] the Lord your God.

Sometimes those who are surrounded with opportunities despise the poor, some employers just delays or not pay staff salaries in time. And not for any good reason. A cashier just would not attend to peoples voucher etc. " ABEGI, MAKE THEM WAIT JARE" . These attitudes are contrary to the principles of prosperity

Proverbs 3:27-28
27 Do not withhold good from those who deserve it, when it is in your power to act. 28 Do not say to your neighbor,“Come back later; I’ll give it tomorrow”– when you now have it with you.

I love the saying of the man of God Pastor Chris which says . "NEVER LET THE POOR CRY OUT TO GOD BECAUSE OF YOU"
This is the reason why some privileged people in life ends up as poor because they missed their chances when they had the opportunity to make the poor smile under their jurisdiction.

Proverbs 21:13
13 Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard.

Our prosperity is connected to our giving.we have several opportunities to impact our world. Such as ministering to the poor. Remember you don't have to wait for the big big thing . Start from where you are now. You have 5 wristwatches, you can give someone a surprise today.

anyway joagbeje, l must commend you for deeming it wise as a matter of necessity to initiate such a humane topic.
one of my very favourite Bible verse on this topic of discuss is Proverbs 31:9
[i]Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.[/i]

it takes greatconcern to consider those who are not perhaps as previlleged as some of us have been granted to be by a show of divine grace.

KunleOshob:
@joagbaje
You are a misreable and shameless liar, the scripture in proverbs I quoted had absolutely nothing to do with bribery when read in proper context and YES God hates the giving of the wicked especially when done with evil motivess [expecting returns] if you don't like it you can rip that passage off yor bible but stop twisting scriptures here. We are not your average daft and deluded CEC customer who can't read and understand scriptures with consulting rapshody of erRORs. That aside I am not a lecturer neither do I deal with students so the issue of selling hand outs suggested by an equally daft poster does not arise. As far as prosperity is concerned, you don't want to even go there, but I would not be tempted to brag like you on this forum.

an't you, young man tired of aguing and insulting people, can't you just simply meaningfully be engaged in a mutually symbiotic discuss of sincere knowledge transfer in the true spirit of the ideal christian character of humility and love? Leave all this derogatory name calling tactic it won't take you anywhere. hmmmm se you dey hear.