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MetaPhysical:
You are lying. You dont know where Palma is. You know Lekki but you dont know Palma. Palma has not existed in 100yrs.

If you insist I will ask you to name the Baale of Palma and shame you here.

Returning to the port issue.....your conjectures does not hold, written records and by eye witnesses in the age when Palma existed is sufficient proof.

It is recorded that Palma is a port, it is owned by Kosoko and it was profitable for trade. The port was not owned by Nigeria or British and there is no record of it being developed by Nigeria or British but there is record that its owned by Kosoko....Britain accepted it as his property. So who else owned it? Abi this was another one of Ibo development in Lagos?

No need for awada kerikeri. Just share the sources you have about this "profitable" Palma port. Was it a port like the one the British built at Apapa? Or was it a natural waterfront where kosoko used to tax fishermen and other moderate vessels?

Where are the facts and written records? Your report says nothing substantial

MetaPhysical:
The British were not trading in Lagos in 1850.

Really? So all the slaves they had been buying in exchange for mirrors and whiskey since the 1700s was not trade Read well -

https://thecommonwealth.org/our-member-countries/nigeria/history

Colonial period
In the 15th century, Benin began to trade with the Portuguese, selling slaves and acquiring spices, firearms, the art of writing and the Christian religion. By the 18th century, the British had displaced the Portuguese as leaders of the slave trade. A century later, in 1807, the missionaries’ campaign against slavery had gained support, leading the British parliament to ban the slave trade. The navy began to patrol the coast, arresting slavers and settling captured slaves (most of them Nigerians) in the resettlement colony of Sierra Leone. Several missionaries in Nigeria were themselves freed Nigerian slaves who had converted to Christianity in Sierra Leone. The missionaries introduced quinine to control malaria, a new trade in palm oil also began, and the economies of southern Nigeria became increasingly powerful. Steamboats took this new culture up-river and into the forests

MetaPhysical:
Did you not read that parliamentary paper?

That was a British colonial officer on the ground in Lagos writing report back to Her Majesty. He is describing what he saw and knew. They accepted and called it a port. A private one at that. They first described their knowledge of Badagry port and then said Palma port is different....it belonged to that one man.

Yoruba built and owned ports before British expanded with modernity.

Why are you trying to spin a very simple report. All the colonial officer said that after Kosoko was driven out of Lagos he retired to Epe and claimed Palma (a coastline area around Lekki) as his own "port"/territory and the British recognised his claim to Palma and allowed him to administer it free from British interference. Unless there is another document you have to back up this report, there is no reference at all to a PORT in the conventional sense. Of course fishing boats and very small vessels could berth there and they still do till this day but Yorubas did not have the know-how, capability or technology to build a port. The report says NOTHING about the nature of the port except that Kosoko claimed that area and named it his port. Palma was a waterside and nothing else. I know that part of Lagos like the back of my hand, if there was an ancient port built by Kosoko it would have been known

omonnakoda:
No I don't

That explains why you would say that Midwest was Action Group. Google Dennis Osadebay when you can

omonnakoda:
The former Mid Western Region was under the action group NOT NCNC

you know people can google this thing right?

Igboid:
Lol!
Obfuscation detected, I repeat, obfuscation detected! Do not engage!

Very weak obfuscation. The type you see teenagers do

[quote author=MetaPhysical post=89694935][/quote]So because Kosoko use red eye claim land and natural harbour at Palma (Ibeju-Lekki/Epe area) from where he was on exile come call am "port" you think it is anywhere near the calibre of a real port chai okay ooo

llakes4real:
and who owns the land the British and the French stole? what many of you don't know is that Before these people came to hijack our land we have been using the coastlines of Lagos and port Novo to trade with Europeans. am sorry if this doesn't make you happy.

No skin pain, the British came to conquer, colonise and screw with our way of life. I am addressing the OP's okpata yarn. He doesn't know the difference between natural harbour/waterside and the type of port that the British built.

MetaPhysical:
Read the Parliamentary Papers again. It acknowledged there was port in Palma. Who built the port?

Which parliamentary papers are you referring to?

MetaPhysical:
Nigerian Ports Authority is a partnership formed in 1955 between Federal Government of Nigeria and Lagos.

As far back as 1906 Lagos Wharf had been opened to Ocean steamers with regular demand.

The development of Apapa port (not Lagos Wharf) commenced in 1913.

Lagos Wharf is the Marina bus stand on the waterfront where Customs Street runs into the Marina. It used to be called Quay side....(pronounced Key side).

Discovery of coal in Enugu led to the development of Eastern ports.

Port Harcout port was opened in 1913 to shipping and commissione by Lugard.


Read it here....

All your post shows is that God created the waterside and coastlines

The British built the ports in the 1850s to accommodate their large vessels which they used to ship resources from the hinterland to their country.

Yorubas have not built any port till date

post=89667816:
Non of the ports was constructed by Lagos state or Yoruba people

Don't waste your time. As if they knew what cement was before the British came and started building ports in yorubaland how much more ports

Its possible they think waterside is the same thing as a port

Like joke the great Menthol of Lagos will become a Governor sha

oyatz:
Your cock and bull story can not change the FACT that creation of the new Regions (now called States) was and still a CONSTITUTIONAL matter with well defined legal processes.

1) Two- third Majority votes in Western Regional Assembly.

2) Two-third majority votes in the National Assembly.

The two above CONSTITUTIONAL requirements MUST be met before the referendum could hold.




The Minorities in the Mid-Western Areas could NOT on their own alone meet these requirements.


3) Awolowo was NOT a member of the Western Regional Assembly or part of the Government since 1959.
Why is it difficult for you to understand this simple fact?

Your emotional outburst and rush to deny without fact checking even though the links and text are all over this thread shows you have cognitive dissonance based on tribal loyalties.

Was Awo still not the leader of the Action Group even AFTER stepping down as premier? Keep consoling yourself the facts are out there and more are coming

This Umahi likes to disgrace himself. The Ebonyi ppl I know are balling . This stereotype their governor is always peddling is unfortunate

Obama should go and eat shit abeg he's going to jail for spying on trump's campaign

One billion likes on Twitter can't save him

oyatz:
Obviously you don't know what you are saying sir.

1) Total Colonial Government in Nigeria started in 1900. There was no regional Government (No Western Region at all) in the 1920s, so how can agitation for the creation of Mid-Western Region started in the 1920s.
The Richard's Constitution of 1950 created Regional Government.

2) Awolowo was an avowed supporter of Federalism based on ethnic groups.
He had created Ministry of Mid-West Affairs by 1956, fashioned after what was obtainable in the UK at that time where was a Ministry of Welsh Affairs.

3) Awolowo resigned as the Premier of Western Region in 1959, he wasn't the Premier during the referendum.

4) The creation for new Regions and the legal guildlines were introduced (Based on recommendations of the Willinks Commision of 1958) by the 1960 Independence Constitution which came into effect on Oct-1,1960 almost a year after Awolowo had left the Government of Western Region.

5) Dr Majekodunmi was an unelected Administrator of Western Region for SIX MONTHS in 1962.
He had no CONSTITUTIONAL roles to play in the referendum process.

6) The referendum had to be approved by the Regional Government which the Western Regional under SLA Akintola did in 1963, a year after Majekodunmi had left.

7) Separation of ordinary couples is often problematic let alone separation of peoples and lands by a political system which was new to the actors at that time without an advantage of learning from any historical precedence.
This was bound to generate conflicts of interests which was managed with maturity.

The Northern and Eastern Regions strongly frustrated any attempts to divide their territories to carve out regions for the minorities.


Learn to give credit to the Political actors of the Western Region (between 1956-1963) when it's due, it won't take anything from you.

Lol these your stand alone facts have no bearing on the points I stated

1 There was no Western region then but the Benin-Delta ppl saw what was coming and started to agitate-

"Meanwhile, Oba Eweka II became increasingly concerned about the long-term implications of various administrative proposals for new regions that would ride roughshod over the unique history and independence of most of the peoples of the Central Province, which later became the Benin and Warri Provinces. Therefore, in 1926, he requested the British to bring all the Edoid and Anioma (Western Ibo) areas together in one region that would have a direct reporting relationship with the center. He argued that the people of the Benin and Warri provinces were predominantly of one linguistic, cultural, religious, chieftaincy and historical stock and had functioned in the same cultural system before the British came. [File BP 44,VOL 1, The Oba of Benin. National Archives, Ibadan"

Their fears were confirmed when they were merged into the Western Province. Are you aware that until the Benin ppl fought to get Gaius Obaseki to represent them at the legislative council in 1935 it was a Yoruba trader living in Sapele who was representing the Benin ppl. If you've read through this thread you have seen how Midwest kings were provoked when they tried to make Yoruba the lingua franca at a meeting in 1942


2. You want to whitewash Awo? The same Awo that invited Oba Akenzua for a meeting to warn him that his campaign for a new region was political and the Oba told him that he wasnt doing politics and had to remind Awo that the Ooni of Ife and Alake of Abeokuta were open and active members of the Action group. The same Awo whose AG goons were hunting after Midwest activists whenever they crossd into yoruba land? There is too much info to even bother debating this here. Trying to claim that Awo who was leader of the Action Group was innocent because he was no longer premier is a big joke

3. Majekodunmi's administration withdrew the case against the referendum (that Akintola's agent) filed at the Supreme Court. This is not debatable at all. Like I said before Akintola got his seat back after the matter had been sealed and his legs were too shaky to object as he was desperate to please Balewa. In short his hands were tied not that he wanted it

Ojiofor:
We have Read from Lagos/Ibadan express way propaganda media,now let us read from an unbiased account from the other side.


The second account reflects the inability of Dr. Azikiwe and Chief Awolowo to reach a common ground at the critical moment so that one of them would become Prime Minister instead of Alhaji Balewa. Azikiwe had been blamed particularly by loyalists of Awolowo for preferring to align with NPC rather than with the AG. In my opinion, that is partially correct, which is probably an unfortunate outcome of the disappointment felt by NCNC leaders as a result of the carpet crossing episode of 1952. However, Chief Mbazulike Amaechi, a diehard supporter of Dr. Azikiwe, presented a different perspective on the issue about eight years ago.
According to Chief Amaechi, after the 1959 election when it became obvious that a coalition government must be formed to take over from the departing British colonialists, a delegation from the AG went to discuss the matter with NCNC leaders in Azikiwe’s Onitsha residence. It proposed that both parties should form an alliance such that Azikiwe would become Prime Minister while Awolowo would serve as the finance minister. While the discussion was on, Azikiwe went upstairs to answer a telephone call. Upon his return, Azikiwe told the AG delegation that the NCNC would consider AG’s proposal and send a delegation back to Chief Awolowo.

When the AG delegation left, Dr. Azikiwe informed the NCNC leaders present that the telephone call he went to answer was from the Sardauna of Sokoto and that the Sardauna had informed him of a delegation from Chief Awolowo which visited him offering NPC precisely what the other delegation that just left them offered their own party, the NCNC. Probably concluding that AG is a double-headed snake, Dr. Azikiwe decided to negotiate with the Sardauna.

During the negotiation, Ahmadu Bello insisted that the north should produce the Prime Minister, otherwise they were not ready for independence. In the agreement to end British colonial rule signed at Lancaster House, it was agreed that if any region said it was not ready for independence, the process will be postponed until all regions were willing to go ahead. According to Chief Amaechi, northern leaders took advantage of that agreement. Dr. Azikiwe and top leaders of the NCNC reasoned that having fought and sacrificed so much for political freedom, it was preferable to allow the north produce the first Prime Minister so that independence would be attained as soon as possible.
Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/08/the-problem-of-retrogressive-politics-in-nigeria-4/
cc:Iampatriotic

Zik and NCNC leadership was dealing with a double headed snake and a chameleon.

chai this is why I love history

Propaganda busted! I never knew this

IkwerrePikin:
Pls let’s be liberal and skip being tribalistic. #peace

In 2015 the North used the death of Yaradua who didn’t complete his tenure and Boko haram threat to assume presidency with the reason that Boko Haram can only be defeated by a Northerner or else Nigeria is in trouble.

The South South used zoning, and resource control and as the chief basket of the nation in terms of oil hence needs to be given a short to rule which will end militancy to assume presidency.

The Igbos are using the Biafran Struggle and Zoning Formula to get into the presidency.

What reason will the South West give to Nigerians to assume Presidency after Buhari?

Is it zoning? (They already had Obasanjo)
Is it Oduduwa republic threat? (Like the igbos Biafra)
Will it be Resource control Like Niger deltans ( but Nigerian states depend on SS oil for allocations )?

What will they use to pressure Nigeria or the North if they betray the South West from having the presidency after being promised to be given a short after Buhari?

Feel free to share your thoughts and educate us.

Bros

Igbos are not using Biafra to negotiate for the presidency. That's south west usual tactic. They employed that formula when MKO Abiola's election was annulled and everybody left it for them. The north helped their own Yoruba man (Obasanjo) to win and he not only broke their accord to do one term but rigged in a sickly Yar Adua and backed GEJ to take over when UMYA died.

Now to your question, Tinubu will of course attempt the secession card but the north dey look am dey laugh with EFCC waiting in one corner and he will get no sympathy from his kinsmen (Ajimobi and co)

oyatz:
1) The Calabar-Ogoja-Rivers Movement for the creation of a separate Region for Non-Igbo populations in Eastern Region started around 1956.

It is interesting to note that the Ikwerres were part of this Movement.


2) The Western Regional Government and Action Group were supportive of creation of a separate Mid-West Region , they only differ on boundaries.

3) The Akintola led-Government in Western Region conducted the plebiscite/referendum to create the Mid-Western Region in 1963 and it was approved by the Federal Legislature.

The Eastern Region on the other hand refused to approve any agitations for the creation of COR Region because the separatist groups MUST get approval of the Region they want to leave before seeking the approval of the National Assembly.



4) Operation Wetie was a violent protest against the rigging of 1965 elections in the Western Region and it happened two full years after the Mid-Western Region has been created.

Awo and Akintola never agreed for a referendum to ever see the light of day. Instead they were both desperate for there to be referendums in the North and Eastern regions despite the dogged agitations for the Midwest region that far outweighed the other regions and had been on since the 1920s

It was the emergency government of Dr. Majekodunmi that allowed the Midwest to escape. Majekodunmi's administration withdrew a motion that an Action Group agent had filed (on Akintola's behalf) to block it at the Supreme Court in May 1962. If not that the Action Group had been brushed aside for that period because of the Awo vs Akintola war it would never have succeeded

By September 1962 Awo had been arrested and Akintola couldn't match the clout of Okotie-Eboh who was very close to Balewa and his men

mrvitalis:
You think hausas and fulanis don't know u don't like them ? ....lol u think they are fools right ? SMH go n sleep

The way Buhari scammed Tinubu in 2015 no be small thing. The man no gree kpai

Donaldoni:
At least we didn't hold them down against their wish. When they asked for independence, we held a referendum and based on the result gave them their independence.

But in the Eastern region, the minorities were held hostage against their wish until Gowon created states in 1967...

Pathetic!

There was minimal or almost no agitation in the eastern region. The Midwest agitation was do or die and led by titans like the Oba of Benin himself for decades but Awo kept resisting. What saved the Midwest was operation wetie and the fact that Awo/Akintola's war distracted the Yorubas.

deji17:
Can you point to any area of the OP that is not true?

The useless copy and paste is full of lies and half truths but these are a sample

IamPatriotic:
The Fulani way of neutralising Zik when the opportunity came in 1959 was to offer him a powerless post, which surprisingly Zik and the NCNC dutifully accepted in place of being Nigeria’s first Prime Minister.

Zik had thought that the Igbo can easily manipulate the Fulani in place of the educated Yoruba. He thus manipulated Balewa to arrest Awolowo in 1962 and to have him jailed for 10 years in 1963.

Zik also manipulated Balewa to remove from the Western Region the Edo, Urhobo, Itsekiri and Western Ijaw that account for 70% of the oil wealth in Nigeria and created for them the Mid-West Region.

In one sentence he is saying Zik was powerless and checkmated by Balewa and in the next he is saying Zik made Balewa arrest Awo

How could Zik have made Balewa create the Midwest region when it was created by a referendum that chose to separate from the Yorubas in a huge landslide. Was Zik a god?

Like I said before if all this anti igbo propaganda we are seeing everywhere is to impress the north ahead of 2023 then yorubas have a lot to learn about the north

OP- So you think posting this padded and skewed write-up can make any difference? The votes could never have made a difference because the British created a northern region with more votes than west and eastern region combined. A little research could have helped you.

If you guys think spamming NL with all this revised history to attack igbos will help a Yoruba man become president in 2023 then you all are on a loooong thing. The north is not giving Tinubu any thing except a few contracts and Osunbande as VP to el- rufai or whoever they select

Very interesting piece...

OP- Murtala and 99.9% of the men under his command at the Asaba genocide all lost their lives shamefully. God no dey sleep.

The crossed into Onitsha by boat after Achuzia blew the bridge and started burning houses from Onitsha waterside to the market, provoking the retreating Biafran troops into a vicious counter-attack. Murtala and his deputy Lt. Col Taiwo who personally commanded the troops at Asaba as we know were killed by Dimka and co in the 1976 coup. They didn't escape karma

Godons1:
Without the North, the East will starve to death.
See the numbers of truck loads of Food that goes into the East on a daily bases.


God bless the North

People with spending power can never starve. Without the north we will buy food from elsewhere and the farmers in the north can eat their onions

HarryDuce:
You see, to be nostalgic gives one a fleeting moment of peace sometimes. Only sometimes. Interesting word there. "Intrigues"

Well, those fears were not unfounded after all. Case in point, the Biafran war.

Why were the minorities considered to be sabateurs even before there was any form of that( There was none by the way)? Why were they forcefully conscripted to fight in the Biafran war? Arrogance on the path of the Biafran leaders?

This was barely a decade after the Willinks commission. You can say they were foresighted (which they were). You just don't understand Nigeria from a minority perspective. It's useless painting the defunct eastern region as a place of utmost understanding and brotherhood. It really wasn't.

1. More Igbos were killed in Biafra for being saboteurs than non-Igbos so your point is dead on arrival

2. Igbos and non-Igbos were conscripted in Biafra so that point is also dead on arrival

3. Under the leadership of Michael Okpara, the non-igbos In the eastern region got a better deal than they have ever gotten in one Nigeria till date

BeLookingIDIOT:
They so much marginalized and oppressed other minorities that it led to the first secessionist movement.
Guess what,the Eastern government readily squashed the movement and had them executed.

What are you talking about ? No fake news here o. Provide links so we can know what this means

maestroferddi:
Ojukwu maintained that he released Awo while he was alive.

Never once did Gowon challenge him.

End of discussion

MetaPhysical:
Ibo was notorious for intimidating minorities and forcing its language on them. On entering Benin and planting flag for their new Biafra Republic the first instruction to the Edos was to prepare to learn Bible in Igbo. Can you imagine if they had not been pushed out of that territory, Edos would today be speaking and writing in Ibo. It is safe and fair to theorize that similar intimidation of the Ikwerres happened in a past time, particularly that the regional seat of power and administrative authority was in Ibo hands.

The missionaries also helped make Ibo the lingua franca. In their zeal to spread religion and win converts Isuama Ibo was adopted as the language of the bible for natives. All peoples whether Ibo or not in the vicinity or catchment area where modes of dressing and worship was same, the missionaries and the colonialists banded them together under a single authority to ease administration and social order. If there were twenty disparate people and cultures within clusters of similar customs they were not creating twenty kingdoms or administration to address the unique cultures.....instead they dumped them together under a single heirarchy, language and province. The same happened to people in Middle belt lumped under the Zaria Emirate even though they were not Hausas and did not share customs and practices.

Ikwerre might therefore have been a victim of both missionary.colonial expediency as well the Ibo notoriety for intolerance on diversity.

When we investigate this rubbish fake gist about Biafrans forcing Benin ppl to learn bible in igbo you will look for another lie to cover the original lie until there are ten pages of lies

omonnakoda:
Two things that is a website with copyright acquired in 2010 not just for Ikwere but many other translations.

Once again do not sidestep the question even if it was written yesterdayAre you saying the Ikwerre introduced Rumu into their bible to spite Ibos?

Nice try so bible.com, Google Play and every platform with a url to the Ikwerre bible all agreed to get "copyright in 2010