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[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=338352.msg4768960#msg4768960 date=1256061482]noetic pls tell us what 'SON' means in the bible and stop playing hide and seek
we are waiting[/quote]my question was largely directed at deepSight. I did not expect u to be rational/intelligent enough to come up with something. So wait till deepSight asks ur question.

Hint: How did the israelites react when He said He was the Son of God? what meaning did they deduce from His words?

Deep Sight:
Noetic - In addittion to all this, you are willing to assert that the Beatitudes were lies.

I am amazed that in order to support man-made dogma, you are willing to declare that Jesus was telling lies when he mouthed the beatitudes?

Because if he was not telling lies, then -

"Blessed are the Peace Makers, for they shall be called Children of God"

Defintely qualifies Mahatma Ghandi, beyond any human being living or dead, to be called a Child of God.

what sort of nonsense is this?

is Ghandi a peace maker? what do u understand by peace makers?

Deep Sight:
Above, i already showed you what believing in him is all about.

And I have repeatedly told u that ur understanding of love is not what Jesus taught.

Deep Sight:
Noetic - Who's being irrational, me, or someone who declares Mahatma Ghandi damned on account of the dogma below:

A man lived in Israel. He is the Son of God (i suppose the rest of us are sons of the devil). The man, aside from being the Son of God, is also God. The man was murdered. Without this murder, you cannot be saved. Particularly, you must believe that this murder was for your sins, otherwise you are damned, since we have now told you about it.

what rubbish is this?

did Ghandi know Jesus?. . . .YES
did he hear the gospel? . . . , YES
did he accept Jesus gift/offer of salvation?. . . . .NO

so why then should he make heaven after dedicating his life to the service of idols?

mazaje:
This is why I like neotic always evasive and always answering questions with questions. . . . .

I ask questions simply to reveal the ignorance of the other person

Deep Sight:
^^^ Man, i am thoroughly amazed at your limited reading of scripture, but more at your world view.

Its ok, i think our world-views are so drastically different that we may never convince each other.

I wonder what you think will happen to children or adolescents in this regard.

How can you fail to see how your dogma would sound to a person of a different culture.

A man lived in Israel. He is the Son of God (i suppose the rest of us are sons of the devil). The man, aside from being the Son of God, is also God. The man was murdered. Without this murder, you cannot be saved. Particularly, you must believe that this murder was for your sins, otherwise you are damned, since we have now told you about it.

Gosh.

I just cant believe how any rational person could believe this in the first place.

And worse still, believe that if others do not accept it as he has, then such others are damned, regardless of the purity of their hearts, the goodness of their ways, the humilty of their minds, or the peace and love they giv ethe world.

Let me ask you how belief in a fact, would validate or invalidate that fact? How belief in a fact, would change the state of a pure or evil soul. A good man who disbelieves it does not cease to be good, any more than an evil man who believes it will cease to be evil. I am surprised the essence of M_Nwankwo's example of the Child - Professor is lost on you. Cant you see that one can already be something without recognising it? Did we not give you the verse where Jesus said he would welcome people to his kingdom who did not even know that they were serving him?

How can you say these things Noetic? Dont you realise how awfully narrow-minded you are beginning to sound? ? ?

Go and read the beatitudes again.  -

Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

[size=16pt]Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God. [/size]

[size=16pt]Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God. [/size]

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven

Look at the highlighted parts again. What do they tell you Noetic?

Where does it say here that one needs to know or even believe in any death? And this was his most succinct and in-depth statement on salvation.

Gosh, Noetic - CANT YOU SEE IT? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

1. can u just stop being intellectually irrational. why do u keep singling out verses to suit ur own dogma?
the bible says clearly in john3:17. . . that those who dont believe are condemned. The parable of the good samaritan establishes that the love of God is founded on the worship of God, . . .what else do u want? u cannot choose and pick what message of Jesus to believe or disbelieve? how do u explain these verses?

2. u are helplessly blinded by preconceived dogmas. why do want to go to heaven without believing in Jesus? why do u have a problem acknowledging his death and salvation?
The verses u posted above are strictly for those who believe and worship God and not for every tom, dick and harry.

3. construct a meaningful argument from the bible and stop all these needless distractions.

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=338352.msg4768678#msg4768678 date=1256058378]please tell us. We are waiting

there is nobody as evasive as this noetic dude on NL. Whenever u corner him, he simply claims u dont understand the bible.
Pls watch out for his predictable response[/quote]

Deep Sight:
Noetic is the son of Papa-Noetic. He is as such Papa-Noetic

is this an argument?
what do understand by the word "SON" as used in the bible?

@ m_nwankwo . . . .thanks for ur reply, . . .this is my fourth attempt to post this . . .my connection is acting funny.

The truth Jesus brought to the world is not subject to the unbiblical analyses u have stated. And I find it disturbing that I have to respond to such. Honestly ur claims are very ambiguous.
a. The truth of Christ is the establishment of the kingdom of God. The link to that kingdom is Jesus Christ, His salvation and divinity. I do not know of any biblical injunction that allows that the death of Jesus be seperated from his message. Recognising Jesus as the Son of God is a personal choice and just like the acknowledgement of His death and salvation. The death of Jesus is a spiritual event that took place from the foundation of the world as the remedy for the sins and disconnect of man. To disregard or dismiss the death on the cross is an attempt to look at the death from a mere physical angle. The death on the cross dennoted several spiritual dimensions and events namely:
# the tearing of the holiest of the holiest of the temple. . . . thus allowing that abode of God became in humans and not in temple.
# the ressurection of the dead to eternity.
# the manifestation of the holy spirit to man. prior to that it has been the exclusive preserve of a select few.
# the radical redirection of the religious practices of that age.

It is pertinent to understand that the death and ressurection of Jesus lend credence to several events as we see of it today. Its spiritual significance is better illustrated in the sonship one enjoys with God today. If one does not have to believe in the death and ressurection of Jesus. . how then does one become a Child of God? how then does one get the holy spirit? how does one get to fellowship with God, since He no longer resides in man made temples?

The message of Jesus did NOT connect ur to God. . . . . twas His death and ressurection that did. By believing He died and was raised, we receive the power to become God's sons, by using this power (holy spirit) we become God's sons and inherit eternity. how then can u become a child of God without believing the death and resurrection of Christ.

b. contrary to ur assertion. . .Jesus came to the earth to die for our sins and He made that very very clear. He foretold His death and also affirmed that whatsoever is asked in his name (after He has resurrected), according to the will of God will be granted. how then can anyone dismiss this singular event of His death and ressurection?
The xtian hope is largely centred around the victory over death. . . . .the core message of the gospel has been about his resurrection.
This singular event gave the likes of peter and other disciples the faith and courage to preach the gospel at the expense of their lives. . .how then can u seprate this from Christ's message? . . . . .Salvation lies in the death of Jesus.

c. ur understanding of "LOVE" has no place with the bible, Jesus or God.

mazaje:
I aksed you a simple question. . . . is your anectdote a hypothetical senario or not?

what u make of the question is largely irrelevant. . .just produce a simple answer. . , u are exhibiting pride. why are u afraid of revealing ur ignorance?

jinadu

brb. . .

KunleOshob:
Yes it does

John 15:9-13:

9 “I have loved you even as the Father has loved me. Remain in my love. 10 When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love, just as I obey my Father’s commandments and remain in his love. 11 I have told you these things so that you will be filled with my joy. Yes, your joy will overflow! 12 This is my commandment: Love each other in the same way I have loved you. 13 There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

the parable of the "good samaritan" establishes that the love of one's neighbour is founded on the love of God. how can u love God whom u dont know?
Also read John 3:15-17
15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[f] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

There is no love outside of Christ.

latifatu

Robotnik:
you think nairaland is a place to display your, complete it yourself

what is this clown saying?

Omoladun

why are u sorry for what u enjoyed doing? if u wanted to keep ur promise u could easily have.

save the poor dude an unhappy marriage/future with u. . , and tell him you have slept around. . . .let him move on and so should u.

Abuzola:
Hahahaha, english is a problem

yes. . .that is why allah wants to judge the world in arabic

I laugh in arabic

na me kill am

Abuzola:
'verily, the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah but it is He who deceives them' Quran 4:142

are u saying allah is deceivable? so allah can be deceived by humans? allah must be a clown

Deaconess



offtopic.

ur profile picx looks like someone I saw on a night out with my friends on tuesday. . .its not u. . .or is it?

who is avenging who?

Marlbron:
Noetic.

God is a spirit and is present in each of his creations. Remember he created all things and all religions. God is also Love. Since Christ is God, then it follows that Christ is Love. It follows that anybody practicing Love, has known God (Christ). it is possible to know Christ, without being a Christian. remember that God does everything. He gives us the ability to know him and He calls us to himself. He has his way to make people know his Christ either in this world or in their reincarnated world. His injuction was for all to practice righteousness and not for us to judge.

does the bible support this assertion?

mazaje:
You want me to answer some hypothetical questions that I personally consider not to be true? All anecdotal evidence and claims are generally discarded because human beings are extremely unreliable, . . . Even eye-witness claims have been shown to be almost useless in some cases.

there is nothing in my post that suggests a claim that requires an evidence. all thats in there is a simple question.
do u have an answer? . . . . .its ok to say "I DONT KNOW" , . , . , ignorance is allowed I laugh in italian

bus conductor

mazaje:
Ignorant of what exactly?. . . . .Lots of people make wild claims all the time. There is never a shortage of anecdotal stories. . . . just a shortage of verifiable evidence.

and what is ur answer to my questions?

Amigoz:
Im kwul tx u owz ma baby girl? [size=4pt]can u imagine ive 4gotten her profile ID [/size]

lolz. . .there is no baby girl.

lots of hugzz and kisses

mazaje:
I asked you a very simple question and you ran away on the other thread. . . . . is this a hypothetical senario or what?

ur question is irrelevant. why not just answer the simple question?
how about saying. . . . , "I DONT KNOW" no one is going to crucify u for being ignorant

lots of kisses back. . .i am fine. . how are u?

mazaje:
How?  . . . .You only made baseless claims and when I asked you some simple questions you ran away. . . .

really? 

Let me repeat my question here.

A man (lets say his name his mazzagee) had a dream, in that dream a white man (whom mazzagee had never met or seen before) with an irish accent walked up to him. the white dude asked him how he was, and gave him 20 pounds. the white dude was wearing a designer green suit from tommy hilfiger. Two days the dream came to pass as exactly dreamed.

If u claim that the brain generates dreams. . I ask u.
a. how did the brain form the image of the white dude?
b. how did the brain detect that the dude was white? how did the brain form the dude's irish accent?
c. how did the brain conceive that the dude was going to give mazzagee 20 pounds?
d. how did the brain figure out that the dude was going to be wearing a green tommy suit?

. . ,  . I await your answers with deep breadth

hugzzz

Jesus is the SON of God. . . .He is as such God.

mazaje:
Hope you know that the braın controls our ability to dream. . . . . dreams are controlled by the brain. . .

have I not exposed the ignorance of this assertion?