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@ olabowale

are u not going to answer my questions?

huxley2:
Thanks for giving me the opportunity. No, atheism is NOT science.

And that is my final position.( On this one, I am dogmatic ).

So whats the basis of ur atheistic beliefs?

huxley2:
Did you see anywhere in the question that my own opinion was required?

Since u are an atheist. Isn't it logical that u set the ball rolling.

Do u argue that atheism IS science?

Tudoor:
Lets just hope he's sincere. . .today he supports america next friday he'll preach jihad and suicide bombings against the west. .

That is a natural commandment of allah. so what do u expect?

huxley2:
You can define atheism any number of ways

1) Simple or weak atheism

Is the view that there are on good evidence to belief in a god or gods

OR

The lack of a belief in god or gods (sometimes referred to as "no belief in god"

2) Strong atheism

A categorical assertion that there are no god(s) (sometimes referred to as "no-god belief)


Now, is any of this science? Over to you!

This is ridiculous.

Why not state ur own opinion first. which of the atheistic groups do u subscribe to? and whats the basis for it?

is it in any way related to science?

Lagosboy:
JJYou listen i am not one that talks about compettion of religion if you follow my posts well. I dont give a shit about churches growing somewhere. What i am talking about is[b] someone calling a faith demonic[/b] thats is my point.

It is immaturity and stupid discussion " oh my faith is better than yours" From now till eternity there will be muslims and there will be people of other faiths till the end of time so wots d fuss. You guys are just becoming annoying day by day and JJyou some of your recents posts have betrayed your maturity i must say.

The fact of islam being the worlds fastes growing faith is a known fact and not propaganda of any sort, I am relaying simple fact and none of your hate messages will remove a hair i say from islam.

By calling a faith demonic, all he has done is to express an opinion. There is something called freedom of speech. That explains why u, babs787, fellis, oyb and abuzuola go to the religion section and state blasphemous opinions. No one has crucified u for that.

No one has ever called u immature or stupid because of that. If u think islam is not demonic, it is up to u to logically state ur case.

muhsin:
And the verses have been aptly explained to you, folks. Why are you still repeating one thing?

I am disappointed. Did u say explain? explain what?

why should I believe olabowale's linguistic display, when allah clearly stated his case in the koran?
allah said in his koran that all muslims without exception are going to hell. olabowale said only some muslims will.

why should i believe olabowale, when allah (who olabowale worships) has CLEARLY stated that all MUSLIMS are going to hell.

huxley2:
This is idiotic. Make an argument, not just an assertion, stupid.

very typical. whenever u have nothing upstairs to offer, u resort to insults.

on what basis have u always asserted ur ridiculous atheistic postulations, silly?

what then have atheists been hiding under?

yea. . . .that is hillarious. . . muslim and their hypocrisy.

you have NEVER refuted this claim by allah.

did we not produce koranic verses where allah said u will all go to hell?

why are u derailing this thread?

bawomolo:
oh really, i thought it was just a job?

Its a job, but like prostitution, there are always choices.

turn the other eye Naija style 

to be honest, i would file a complaint and it's up to my superiors to go ahead.

does this not make u an hypocrite?

what if the war is offensive and not defensive. should the christian soldier object?

another meaningless semantic. war is war. a soldier is a soldier. so?

oyb:
is there anything about cornelius being in a war?

as a christian, would cornelius be justified if he killed an enemy?

i'm not thinking of peacetime soldiers here - i mean the real deal the war front.

as a christian, was cornelius  free to smite his enemies ?

are u so what do soldiers do? he is a soldier, simple.

bawomolo:
no you didn't.

Would you object to commands that are unchristian like?

YES. And that simply means I will also face the consequences (Death).

what would u do in the INEC scenario?

and why didnt u answer my question?

bawomolo:
hmm i smell a backtrack

backtrack from what? do u have a reading and comprehension problem?

I believe I already answered ur question in my previous post.

oyb:
reconcile that with this:

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you (Luke 6:27-28)

Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse (Romans 12:14).

noetic, it seems you are suffering from the malady you love to accuse muslims of   . you seem to think that by attacking Islam you are answering my questions

this thread is not about Islam.

well, i don't understand the new testament, so kindly explain how your understanding came about. i'm sure you know it and understand it all  

I believe osisi has provided u with ur much sought after bible verse. satisfied?

bawomolo:
but prostitutes are just trying to earn a living just like the soldier who blasts everything in Odi.

what if those policies goes against your Christian convictions.  

What happened to what would jesus do?

https://toppun.com/ProductImages/peace_anti_war_political_public_health_pictures/War_-_What_Would_Jesus_Do.jpg

thou has made no point.

what difference does it make since all muslims are going to hell, according to the koran?

oyb:
Noetic - can you post some bible passages from the new testament defending what you are saying?

all you've done so far is state your personal convictions. but as a devout christain, you should subordiante your convictions to the word.

so please, reconcile what you've been saying with whats in the new testament. Thank you.

are u dumb? how many times have u quoted the koran to justify ur malady?

my posts are a reflection of my understanding of the new testament.

bawomolo:
like prostitution? hey it gets the bill paid kini big deal right.

I wouldnt judge a prostitute, but there are always choices.

would you mind being the guy who designed the bomb that destroyed hiroshima?  I doubt Jesus would have been proud of that.

in other words, you have sold out your values for the almighty dollars.  At least you are being honest.

would you take in a genocide if commanded to do so or would you be a conscientious objector?


Disclaimer - i don't consider being a soldier a bad thing.

You are missing the whole point.

Someone makes the policy. . .  , someone is paid to function in a capacity to implement this policy.

if u were a christian: As a paid INEC local booth staff in an election who cannot stop rigging. what would u do?

bawomolo:
should income be put ahead of one's standards?

If a General gave a Christian soldier commands to commit atrocities, should the soldier obey the command or resist based on agape love?

nice thread by the way.

Its just because we are on the wrong side of the world. soldering is also about defending territorial integrity against unnecessary invasion from enemies. In the case of a general, there is something called MUTINY or INSUBORDINATION. which is punishable by death.

what are atrocities? you as a niger-deltan see soldiers invasion of ur homeland as atrocities. A soldier fighting in the Niger-delta believes he is obeying orders to protect the nation against oil-thieves. You cannot go on the moral high-way. When soldiers kill in the service of their country (a war torn situation) I believe the sins are recorded against the sponsoring nation and not the individual. Except for cases where flagrant abuses and atrocities are committed at the discretion of the individual soldier.

As a christian, I can be a soldier if I want to. It does not in any way contradict my faith/beliefs.

Do u  know the meaning of an occupation? a job?

Its what u are paid to do. And mind u, not all soldiers go to the battle field.

Jesus commanded us all to shun violence, my being a soldier does not in any disregard or disobey this commandment. I am serving a nation, where someone is the "commander in chief". He takes all the decisions about war and peace. I am PAID to carry out his instructions.

but in your own case, all u are doing is to kill, destroy, annihilate, exterminate and nefariously render impotent defenceless men, women and children who refuse to bow to the arabian moon-god allah. is that right?

@ oyb

like osisi advised u, if u have any issues with christianity, open a new thread. And please state ur case in a meaningful way.

i really pity uplawal u know.

Do u know he is entitled to divorce u by mouth. . . .  .he just has to say it 3 times.
Do u know he is entitled to 3 other wives apart from temporary marriages.

I have a feeling u are going into this because of ur guy, who u claim does not smoke or drink. I only hope u can think it through.

islam is an unforgiving experiment.

olabowale:
InshaAllah, I will tell what you his (AS) quality, in any aspect of his life you wish to know. I dreamt about him already. All aspects of his noble like attract me. The humanness of it, when it need be. And the spiritualness, when it is not even overwhelming. He was[b] good [/b]son, nephew, cousin, master, friend. husband, father, leader and member of his community. He was a general's general, the best of mankind. Angels spoke about him. Animals complained to him when their owners mistreated them. He was a good listener and a great Comforter. He alleyed the fears in your heart and shared yoour concern.

Look I can just continue for the rest of my life to talk about him. The most important about him is that Allah Alone is Sufficient to serve as the Witness of his Hihgest of Level he occupies!


Allahumma selli ala seyhdina Muhammad wa ala alli sehidina Muhammad , fil Allamin, innaka amidun Majiid.

what do u mean by humaneness? what do u mean by good?
since u love and emulate mohammed this much, will u:

1. sleep with a 9 year old girl?
2. snatch ur son's daughter?
3. kill apostates, because allah says so?
4. develop an animal-like sexual appetite?
5. invade other nations when unprovoked?
6. upgrade a local idol in yorubaland (sango, oya or obatala) to a divine status as GOD?
7. amputate, behead and flog people for sins, without practising forgiveness?
8. marry off ur 6 year old daughter to someone?

PS. Dont go into a long story, just answer my questions.

Yes I can be a soldier, if I love soldering.

But I dont see how u can connect this to the meaningless killings incited by mohammed and allah.
soldering is an occupation, ur jihad is an unprovoked killing, annihilation and destruction of weak, feeble, defenceless and incapacitated persons, because they refuse to bow to the arabian god, allah.

oyb:
noetic - can't you read ? back in the day, you people killed apostates by the million.  ,

far more than the itty bitty one or two that osisi keeps harping on 

who is "you people"? please clarify.

if you read my posts, you will find that today, as far as i'm concerned , apostates are free to go to hell.

there's no qurayish a few days down the corner for them to betray anyone to. now its between them and Allah. end of story.

I can deduce from this that u will faithfully obey allah and kill people because they dont subscribe to ur religion. Do u have a conscience at all?

noetic  - you are most definitely not a peacemaker, you are most definitely not meek, you are certainly not merciful, you clearly have never mourned during your time on nairaland so, unless you are a chameleon ie a dual personality with an internet persona and a lidfe persona ( a frightening kind of hypocrisy) by the words from your boook , you are not blessed, therefore you are cursed , or nmaube you are 50% blessed , 50% cursed - since your god doesn't deal in absloutes  

So i am not all these because I have continued to discuss the inconsistencies of islam? Religion aside, my conscience is very very clear. I dont have to kill anyone in the name of anyone.

Like I have repeatedly told u, heaven is not by works but by grace. Acknowledge Jesus as ur LORD that u might enjoy this grace and escape the hell-fire allah has prepared for all muslims.

olabowale:
Oyb does not need that type of love. It is toxic, caustic and unhealthy. Give him the love of Islam; Salaam!

Oyb is successful.

what love are u talking about? love and islam are two parallel lines, they NEVER meet.

if there is love in islam, why is there no forgiveness? why amputation, beheading and public flogging? why honour killings, apostates killings and child marriages? u must be joking if u claim that anything islamic is love.

soldering is an occupation, a job from which a living is earned.

soldering is not jihad. The unnecessary killing of defenceless people because they dont worship an arabian idol called allah.

oyb:
ouch turns out osisis is right about volume 9 . noetic i have to er . . .apologize for being too fast .

Thats humble. Apology accepted.

erm . . .erm. . , now that u know what allah and mohammed commanded, do u plan to start killing apostates now?

see who is talking - where do you think you are going 

blessed are the meek, the merciful, the peacemakers , those that mourn, etal - you are none of those are you  - so what does that make you - cursed 

who are thou to judge me? I am not bound by the ordinances of allah to go to hell.
I am a candidate of eternal life with Christ Jesus by GRACE.

meanwhile, osisi, the title of your topic is dishonest - if you read the OT, you will find that your god in his previous iteration commaned the jews to kill as a duty, not so?

also, you have blithely refused to answer my question - were the crusaders following your gods word, or were they doing their own thing. come to think of it, are they going to heaven - they certainly are not meek, etal are they? 


check this out   



so - jews are mandated to kill apostates

oya eyin lost tribe of isreal what do you have to say about that? is judaism evil ?

now apotasy in christianity

Jesus said, "At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other." (Matthew 24:10)

which takes us right back to what i was stating originally. at that time, apostates were a military threat as they would have betrayed the muslims to the Quraiysh.

question - can a true christian be a soldier?


what osisi and co keep silent on is the fact that while the bible neither appoves of or condemns  killing of apostates, which is why we have this  -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Christianity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade

sad really, in spite of the fact that christianity is supposed to be a religion of love- you people have killed far more people in the name of your god than muslims ever could.

i mean look at this -
and there i was thinking the crusades were all about Islam 

nice to know that you people eat your own kind 

As usual running round in circles. Do christians kill apostates?

olabowale, why dont u just tell us his qualities that are worth emulating?