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[quote author=Tudór link=topic=295465.msg4178679#msg4178679 date=1247493850]Yes noetic where is your evidence to support the farce called creationism?
Mind you evolution isn't the bedrock of atheism the way creationism is the foundation for jesus and his deluded followers. So crap about flaws or loopholes in evolution wouldn't be tolerated! Give us proof![/quote]u keep ranting endlessly. when have u ever defended the ridiculous concept called evolution?

huxley2:
Why don't you remove the blank that is in your eyes before attempting to remove the pebble in the eyes of others?


What is the genealogy of Jesus? For instance, who does the bible say is his grand-father? Clue: Look in Matthew and Luke.

u enjoy disgracing urself. how many times have this been clarified?

morover why not answer the OP?

toneyb:
Red herring, Where is your scientific evidence for creationism? What are the predictions creationism make and how is it falsified? Can creationism predict outcomes, be useful in medical research, or do anything more useful than supporting the literal view of the bible? You guys claim it to be the "truth", but if it were how can they explain how the "lie" ( evolutionary theory) works so well as a science and a tool for advancing human life(I hope you never need an influenza shot, because scientist use evolutionary theory to make that )? Where is your scientific evidence that supports creationism.

go here to answer ur evolution questions: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-279631.0.html

go here to see how ur continuous ignorance has been embarrassing: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-281109.32.html

stop making a fool of urself. . . . go and study.

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toneyb:
Why must you keep bandying this great LIE? There are millions of christian that believe in evolution just as there are million of atheist that do not believe in evolution. Evolution is not a alternative to creationism because creationism is a myth. You believe that your god created the world in 6 days right? Where is your scientific evidence that support any of this claim? Some scientific evidence that support creationism will do. So far NO christian has been able to provide any. Attacking evolution does not count, Where are your scientific evidence that support creationism?

Neotic: Do you believe in creationism?

Toneyb: No I don't because it is a myth that has no scientific evidence and most of its claims have been disproved by science.

Neotic: Are you trying to say that all the evidence you see around you do not count?

Toneyb: What evidence are you talking about.

Noetic: All the evidence that you see around you are evidence for the god of the bible.

Toneyb: What I see around me is evidence for environment and vision. If you say your god created them then where is your scientific evidence that support your claims? What prediction does creationism make? How can it be tested and falsified like the Theory of evolution?

Noetic: Evolution is the tale of satan and has been disprove over abd over again on nairalan.

Toneyb: The people that talk about evolution on niaraland know little or nothing about evolution, if they did they will present their scientific paper to the NAS that disproves evolution and earn a Nobel peace prize. They can't do that because they surely do not know what they are talking about.

Noetic: Are you stupid? do you have a brain? Must you always display your ignorance? Are you intelligent at all? I said evolution has been falsified and disproved on nairaland.(Foaming in the mouth)

Toneyb: Let's not get all worked up. Where is your scientific evidence for creationism?

Noetic: I don't have any evidence other than majestic sunsets that show the glory of the bible god but we don't care, Jesus is on our side and he is the only truth.

Toneyb:   (Runs away laughing).

how many times have I revealed and exposed ur embarrassing IGNORANCE?

@ Tudor, Toneyb and all other pathetic atheists.


Lets assume I am lying about evolution where are ur answers to the evolution questions I asked here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-279631.0.html

doubleh. . . , welcome to nairaland.

littleb:
Hadhrat Aa-ishah (Radhiyallaho anha) says:
"Once the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) entered the house and I guessed from his face that something of great
importance had happened to him. He did not talk to anyone, and after making wudhu (ablution) he entered the
mosque. I stood behind the wall to hear what he said. He sat at the pulpit and after praising'Allah, he said, "0 Muslims!
Allah has commanded you to call people to good deeds, and prevent them from committing sins; otherwise a
time will come when you will pray to Him, but He will not listen to you; you will ask your needs of Him, but He will
not grant them; you will demand His help against your enemies, but He will not help you."

is killing non-muslims a good deed?

olabowale:
And Allah knows everything. he is the Best of knowers.

has he not revealed his knowledge in the koran and haddith?

can we not deduce aisha's age from her statements in the haddith? must we deny this things, just in an attempt to make mohammed look good?

doubleh:
whats happening still havent heard from noetic, daviddylan and others!!!!

honestly there is little or nothing left to be said.
Most religious and non-religious positions/opinion/beliefs oppose each other, and as such the believers tend to state their case. In stating their case, lots of interpretations are made. Some have interpreted my posts to fighting, which is false. Those words are just my way of expressing myself. neither am I evangelising. . . . I am simply stating my opinion from an objective point of view.

a. take for instance the muslims believe that Jesus is a mere prophet. . .  , thats blasphemous to a christian. Jesus is God.

b.the christian says that mohammed is a false prophet and a paedophilia. . . ,  .the muslims finds this fact blasphemous.

c. A christian wonders why mohammed elevated a moon-god (allah) to a big status. . . . .he also cannot understand why muslims have to kill all non-muslims and why mohammed has to have sex with a 9 year old. . . .yet a muslim says mohammed is the best creature that ever lived.

d. the atheist considers it stupid for xtians and muslims to believe in the existence of a nihilant and inert God ,  . .  . .christians cannot understand why anyone could be so intellectually bankrupt to disbelieve in the existence of God with all prevailing evidences. ,  . . .the atheist considers this evidences unacceptable and untenable. . . . .the christian asks the atheist to produce his own evidences to support his disbelief. . . .the atheist resorts to insults and name calling.

e. the atheist offers evolution as an alternative to creation. . .  ,  the christian asks questions about evolution and the atheist cannot answer. evolution is subsequently rubbished,  . . . .the atheist resorts to insults and unprintable words.


The beliefs and disbelief of all sides involved oppose and contradict each other. The best thing about it all is the freedom of speech and expression, superiority of the intellectual argument and objective reasoning that has been repeatedly attempted to be practised by the christian community on nairaland.
IT is only ironic that the muslims have failed to allow issues with regards to mohammed, allah, paedophilia, apostates killing, sharia law and islamic injustice to be debated. . . they have resorted to e-terrorism.
The atheists on the other hand have simply resorted to full blown intellectual bankruptcy and mental incapacity. . . . look around the religion section. . . .one should be ashamed of the quality of posts credited to atheists and deists.

So in answering the OP question. . .I dont expect everyone to be a christian. .  . . but I dont think anyone should be heartless (islam) or ignorant (atheist)

bawomolo:
to bash gays and tell us not to spare the rod?

The OT is a text used by Christians when it suits them and delegated to 2nd fiddle when it doesn't.

This is false. why do u like living in ignorance?

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toneyb:
Bla bla bla bla bla This drive by apologist never seems to stop giving. . Keep on living in your world of delusion and fantasies. What did your god tell you the last time he "appeared" to you in your "dreams"? Did he tell you to keep making a fool of your self on a public forum? Why do you keep embarrassing your god? You are not doing a good job when it comes to defending or making a case for him at all. As bindex has said no god that exist will allow  know nothings like you to make his case for him or defend him. if your god exist he will do it himself.

Noetic: Do you believe in god?

Toneyb: No I don't

Neotic: Why don't you

Toneyb: Because the word god has no universal, coherent and acceptable definition even amongst member of the same faith and religion, it can be taken to mean anything besides there is no evidence for any god. people just make up claims about their various god, claims they can not support or provide any evidence for. That is why people believe only based on faith.

Neotic: You can talk about the lack of evidence for other gods like the bastard allah the god of the moslems, but I empirical have evidence for the existence of my god.

Toneyb: Are you sure you have empirical evidence for the existence of your god?

Noetic: Yes I do

Toneyb: Ok nice I will like to see your empirical evidence which shows that your god exist and is that which you portray him to be.

Neotic: My god appears to me in my dreams that's empirical evidence number 1, I also feel his presence during praise and worship sessions in church or during fellowships. He has richly blessed my life and those are the empirical evidence for the existence of the god of the bible.

Toneyb:   . I thought you said you have empirical evidence, What you have said are not evidence at all, they are only unsubstantiated claims, any body can make such claims, You said you have empirical evidence to show that your god exist and all you can provide and baseless and unsubstantiated claims?

Neotic: (Foaming in the mouth) Yes they are empirical evidence you stupid son of satan, they are evidence, provide your own evidence to show that my god does not exist, you stupid son of satan and god hater, where is your evidence to show that my god does not exist you son of satan, unintelligent fool, ignorant and stupid atheist bla bla bla bla bla, the bible talks about fools like you in the book of john, book of galatians, book of mark. idiot atheist and god hater unintelligent irrational fool.

Toneyb: I am not a god hater, I can't hate what I dont believe in, you said you have empirical evidence for the existence of you god, all I did was ask you to provide the evidence, but you only made ridiculous claims.

Neotic: And I provided the empirical evidence. I said my god appears to me in my dreams you stupid, ignorant and unintelligent son of satan bla bls bla bla bla. What is the meaning of ridiculous? What are the ontology of ridiculous? do you use your brain at all? what is the meaning of ridiculous?

Toneyb: (Runs away laughing) What the f**k.  

nice creative and hillarious. but very very false and untrue.

please answer the questions I asked in my last post thou pathetic IGNORAMUS.

olabowale:
@Noetic2: « on: Yesterday at 12:57:23 PM » The two in bold can be found as means of justice in Islam. Definitely the amputation of cronic thieves is a must. Let me ask you, do you let the arm robbers terrorise your family and if you have a chance while at it, you will not kill anyone of them, all of them, if you can? Your failure to do so will definitely result in their leaving with your properties, violating your loved ones, the women in particularly. And if their is any homo sexuals among them, your honor will be in jeopardy, too!

why is forgiveness not an option to allah? why is allah a condoner of jungle justice? who has allah ever forgiven?
why does allah want all non-muslims dead?

Islam is very vast and none of us is a scholar. I am not surprised that you observed the same thing. But we satisfied ourselves about your accusation of pedophilia against the holy prophet (AS). If I may ask youdo you know a society or people which does not eat "Snail" because of its slimyness? What do you think if they learn that the Yorubas consider "Escargo" a priced delicatesse? They may actually think the Yorubas are crude, I would think. Thats how your pedophilia accusation is to me.

What evidence have you been able to produce against Muhammad (AS) on your crying about his pedophilia act? That will have let merit than a people who dont eat Escargo producung evidence against the Igbo or Yorubas, or Hausas or Nigerians who consider it soemthing special. When a swiss person sees how the nigerians go crazy about lacy and or Damask, he wonders. These materials are less important in the article of clothings that they wish to own. I summit that your quality of morality is based on your experienced, your society and the place that you live and at the time you rae there! I wonder what people must have thought Mary was when she was pregnant as a single girl, yet unmarried? This single reason being yourunmarried virgin is why Allah allowed Son to defend Mother by giving him voice in the cradle! We the muslims are defending our beloved Muhammad from our computer.

whats all this u are running about with? how many times do u want me to produce the haddiths were aisha clearly stated her age?
why do u shamelessly love us to go through this circle again?

Even if what you say is true, it may be that our part of the Hellfire does not burn people since there is paradise waiting for us, anyway. We may be there to observe the burning up of the disbelievers, so that we can appreciate the more the Mercy that we are receiving. It is not impossible to imagine the fire not burning a believer, because it had happened on earth with Ibrahim (AS).

so u do acknowledge that u are hell bound? INCREDIBLE!

toneyb:
Kunleoshob did not provide any evidence he only made a claim and a claim is not an evidence, muslims, christians, hindus etc all claim that their various gods are responsible for what we see around us, those are ONLY claims, and claims are not evidence. If you have ANY  empirical evidence to show that your god created then universe then go ahead and present it and stop foaming in the mouth. What I see around is evidence for vision and environment not evidence for any god. If you have empirical evidence that your god is responsible for all I see around then present your empirical evidence and stop foaming in the mouth.



What is the "ignorance" I am displaying here? You want me to help you define that whom those of you that believe in have no clear and coherent definition for?

The christian god, as defined by the majority of christian believers is 100% impossible. Example christians say that their god is omniscient or knows all things, christians claim that their god  knows the future and has a fore knowledge of everything that happens. This is what Mazaje wrote on another thread he said a god who knows everything cannot have emotions. The bible says that god experiences all of the emotions of humans, including anger, sadness, and happiness. he said humans experience emotions as a result of new knowledge for example a man who had formerly been ignorant of his wife's infidelity will experience the emotions of anger, regret and sadness only after he has learned what had previously been hidden to him. In contrast, the omniscient god is ignorant of nothing at all. Nothing is hidden from him, nothing new may be revealed to him, so there is no gained knowledge to which he may emotively react.  We humans experience anger and frustration when something is wrong which we cannot fix. The perfect, omnipotent god, however, can fix anything. Humans experience longing for things we lack. The perfect god lacks nothing. An omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect god who experiences emotion is impossible.  Also a god who knows the future is powerless to change it. An omniscient god who is all-powerful and freewilled is impossible.

Who is the god that you know? Can you tell us what you know about him so that we can juxtapose it with what we see around and see if what you know about him are compatible with what we see around? What is it that you know about this god and how does this god you know affect the world in which we live in? Any empirical evidence to support any of your claims about the god you know? Faith is not evidence. Faith is delusion.

What are the meaning of these qualities?



Explain to me how your god is love, all powerful, light almighty etc with empirical evidence and stop foaming in the mouth. If you say your god is love then you should be able to provide empirical evidence to back up your claim. if you say that your god is all mighty you should also be able to provide empirical evidence to back up your claims. Do that or for ever keep shut.

u never cease to amaze me with ur embarrassing ignorance.

just display a little understanding of the meaningless assertions u have stated so far. u have made so many statements, why not just clarify them.

whats the difference between existence and acceptance of evidence?
who is God? what is His ontology?
what is light? what is love? what is life? how does God not fit any of these descriptions?
what does it mean to be all powerful? what is almighty?

u just keep ranting meaninglessly and mixing anything with everything. please stop ridiculing urself.

How is it "pointless"? Where is your empirical evidence to show that your god exist? Did any god appear to you and tell you that he exist or did you read it from the writings /tradition of others? if your god exist why then does he rely only on humans to do everything for him? When has your god ever appeared to people by himself to tell them about himself? Why is it that it is humans who do not even agree to the basic nature of this thing/idea called god (that they are always trying to sell) the ones doing all the job? If there is any god that exist he will not be so stupid to allow  incompetent people like you sell his ideas or talk to people about him on his behalf, he will do it himself. If your god exist it will be a very great shame and disgrace on his behalf to rely on incompetent people like you do all the pleading and begging on his behalf. God exist only in the imaginations of those of you that believe in the hypothesis.

u keep displaying ur folly with the quality of ur assertions. in one breadth God is inert and nihilant. In another breadth He must be stupid not to speak up for himself, yet u stupidly deny the inspiration behind the scriptures.

in one breadth u claim God cannot exist, and if He does he aint perfect, and in another breadth u delusively refuse to define ur understanding of perfection.

ur posts exhibit an embarrassing lack of knowledge. make up your mind and stop brashly contradicting urself. what is ur literal belief in the existence/non-existence of God? if He does not exist, why then do u try to fit Him into the container of ur uninformed imaginative assertions?

bindex:
I wonder ohhh. Which god will allow very incompetent and irresponsible people like neotic who has never made any sense in any of his post do his biding for him? NO living god that exist will allow know nothings like neotic to make his care for him. NO god that exist will do that. If you ask the deluded neotic to provide any evidence for his god or any of his claims about his god all he will he say is that his god appeared to him in his dreams.  . If you ask him what the god that appeared to him in his "dreams" looks like, or what language he spoke, or how his voice sounded or what is it that the god that appeared to him told him, he will say that is not for public consumption, because even he knows very well that he will only make a FOOL of himself is he goes ahead and talks about his delusions and private fantasies in public. What a deluded FOOL.

is it a crime to be consistent? why are ur posts and comments never consistent? do u think at all? can u objectively review the rubbish above?
please exercise ur option of ignoring my posts.

Pastor AIO:
Thank you. I think we're done now.

u are welcome.

Pastor AIO:
Okay, I'm going to give this one more try and if you can't respond with anything intelligent I suggest we go our own separate ways.

You don't know me so when you tell me that I eat 3 meals a day I can only presume that you are exercising some prophetic ability. A poor prophetic ability that is giving you wrong information because I don't eat 3 meals a day.
You'll have to explain to me why using internet means that I have no empathy. That one is beyond me.

whats the meaning of this rubbish u keep posting about? what has prophecy got to do with this?
dont u eat? how about those who dont? what have u done to ur food because of them?

If someone is suffering and I empathize with that person then yes I will feel dissatisfaction. Surely you can see that. Yes that is what I implied in the club and heaven scenarios. what has food got to do with any of that. You are the one who brought food into the discussion. Food is not a big deal for me. Maybe it is for you and it is a subliminal indication of your state of malnourishment (whether physical or spiritual may be revealed by further investigation).


You could have fooled me. You do a really good impression of one.

This is very unintelligent. why is it so hard to apply the same club and heaven logic to ur daily life with regards to food et all?
I know why. . . that must be because ur initial opinion reflected deeply rooted illiteracy. u had no understanding of the implications of ur assertions.

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