₦airaland Forum

OP

You get choice nao!

Me i even think is better now than before, I mean compare to the days of aworo & fadeyi oloro films with those heavy incantations

Then most of the films only involve warfares of communal hunters and some witches and wizards.

Sagamite:
Those virtues are no doubt very good.

But a "discerning and analytical, by nature and nurtue" person (as you claim you are) will know the strive for such virtues, despite being good to fight for, should not be fought at the expense of other ongoing crackdowns on OBVIOUS looters. It should be made a parallel fight, not made a conflicting one. That is what a "discerning and analytical, by nature and nurtue" person would know.

Basically, you will support the case against Ibori, but then propose your argument about others still not yet arrested. Not use theirs as an excuse to chastise Ibori's arrest. Like, for example, calling it heavy-handed persecution.

"Discerning and analytical, by nature and nurtue" my bleeping arse! A very rich gasconade.

How I wish he gets it

We will soon invite you all to the crowning ceremony of mama-gee as Super-Super-Moderator

Who says you are troublesome?

If anyone accuse you of being troublesome, just show him/her you are the one and only dreaded mama-gee

Mama Gee, I thought I have answered this question in our bedroom, why bring it up here?

No I dont feel feel guilty when we do it, I only give you that look so that I can get more.

Omega89:
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You are a big fool. Why are you still in Nigeria?

chidichris:
@sagamite,
wether u deduct or add, we are natural criminals and stealing is a way of life in nigeria and it shld be made a generally acceptable way of life in nigeria.
arresting ibori will destroy your deduction so let ibori be free.
it is a stealing galore as has been declared by those at the helm of our affairs.
coming here from time to time to rejoice over who is arrested in dubai or london makes no sense.
after all, andy uba the then special adviser to obj was arrested, and indicted in the usa over a money laundary case. he was sentence to jail with option of fine which he paid and came back to meet nigerians who ribadu told it was a civil case.
our useless and shameless senators shld enshrine it into our constitution that stealing henceforth is nolonger a crime.
in a corruption fighting country, a senator got married to a 13 yr old baby. in a corruption fighting country, a ruler slept with his daughter inlaw. in a corruption fighting country, a whole ship disappeared over night. in a corruption fighting country, bola ige a seating attorney general of the federation was assasinated without trace.  oh, we are fighting corruption.
today we believe the interpol and metroplitan police but let us wait till hilary comes back to tell us the undiluted truth. let us wait till cnn makes a documentary of niger delta. let us wait till bbc makes a documentary on lagos state.
we are deciet to ourselves.
corruption fighting my backside.
if all these resources are wasted on just one ibori, what happens to the millions of iboris in this god forsaken jungle called nigeria.
is it not shameful that nobody is talking about the pressing problems of this country.

Your case looks hopeless. I hope you are not beyond redemption.

Before you start executing your guilty self and all Nigerians, If you must must know, I laboured for every penny i have, 'cos my parent taught me the dignity of labour and I know there are many like me.

Am beginning to think you are a crook: a 419ner or an armed robber, now i understand why you think Ibori should be left alone, may be you are worse than him.

pro01:
Perhaps you need to re-read my previous posts in this thread. My point isn't that Ibori shouldn't be 'touched' until the bigger thieves are punished. Rather, I need one of you 'principled' Nairalanders to give me a sensible reason WHY WHY WHY the other (some, bigger) thieves havn't received the same 'special' treatment being meted out to Mr. Ibori. Sensible reason. None! Now, if it is because the others weren't caught, great! If it's because there is no evidence against them, great! If If it's because there are no petitions against them at the EFCC and ICPC, great! If it is because there are insufficient spaces at kirikiri prisons for more corrupt 'thieves', yeah right! But none of these reasons hold true. So why make unnecessary fuss and deploy maximum state resources and military apparatus for one inconsequential case? Isn't it for political capital? If so, should it call for celebration among those of us that are informed and discerning? NO! I insist that we learn to do things right and institutionalize processes so that rewards & punishments would be meted out without discrimination to the deserving. It's as simple as that.

If the bold is your drift, fair enough, may be there is hope for you after all.

While I also wish that things should be done right, unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world, and if there is a nation close to it, certainly it's not Nigeria.

In this part of the world it's 'dog eats dog' or call it jungle justice. It is fine by me as far as all affected are guilty as charged.

While we work and campaign towards an ideal process, we will continue to celebrate each time one of the dogs eat another, may be, just may be, they will finish each other soon.

But to suggest we defend a guilty dog like Ibori or leave him alone because the process is not ideal enough to catch the bigger/other dogs is simply ridiculous

kosovo:
When did i ever declare my support for IBB in this forum? u see what i mean when i said " be intelligent" ?

What Cant believe Kosovo started this thread and typed the above.

Somebody must have discovered and used Kosovo password. . . or there is a system error somewhere.

Or is it that IBB refused to deal or keep his promise to Kosovo?

rasputinn:
I agree with the OP who's a moronic Ibori apologist by the way,that maximum force(execution)should not be employed in making Ibori pay for his grand theft,rather we should go soflty softly on him by allowing the Met police to bundle him in chains like the common thief he is,to face trial for fraud,stealing and money laundering,after his trial and sentencing(hopefully to life after securing a worldwide freezing of his accounts andassets),he should be extradited to Nigeria to face the 170 and 4o count charges,when he's been tried and sentenced in Nigeria,he should now be extradited back to the UK to serve his life jail term,when he dies,they should put him in a coffin and jail the coffin and send the coffin to Nigeria by seaso he can serve out his Nigerian sentence

+1

LAFOCUZY:
I do not support Ibori but I simply can not understand the fuse about this man. No doubt he has stolen government fund and tax payers money in magnitude similar to hundreds of politicians and businessmen with political links. Amogst them include, Odili, IBB, UMARUDIKO, Atiku,etc.

Ironically, IBORI together with his stealing activities engaged in massive infreastrutural development that transformed his state in his 8 years in governement. I visited asaba nad warri over chritmas and can make that conclusion while places like port harcourt, benin, yenegoa, aba etc are such a huge junk. I understand that this man acquired four failed major companies in nigeria whose foerign invetors divested from nigeria following increased hostilities in nigeria in the wake of the niger delta crises. Now think of what would have happende to thousands of nigerians and their families had they lost their jobs.

If all the thiefing genrals and politicians invested their loot in nigeria it may have been a lesser evil as many would have been employed and the poverty tide pushed back

Which is a better or worst thief; the one that steals and brings about some development or the one that steals blindly with no atom of development?? [b]NONE is good and should be tolerated.  My point is there must be demonstrable fairness and sincerity by the government to fight corruption and not using the "fight of corruption" as a political tool and strategy in the hands of the EFCC, ICPC or the police to isolate and percecute persons who speaks in different political tone or potential opponent.

This seems to be the case in nigeria today.

I dont care that much if anyone is using corruption fight as a political tool, but i will feel bad if corruption is not being fought at all.

This issue has been well debated during Obj/Ribadu time.

The question is are those political enemies guilty? if yes, good.

Obansanjo dealt with his corrupt political enemies.

Yaradua came and dealt with Obasanjo friends e.g Bode George

Now Jonathan is dealing with his corrupt political enemies and Yaradua corrupt friends

Someone will come later and deal with Jonathan and his corrupt friends.

It is not the best way to fight corruption, but it is better than not fighting it at all.

Sagamite:
Wash your head hard with Vic so there is no reminant of his brain hanging in there.

Gawd! The reasoning of some people is pathetic.

lol. Abi o. after washing sef, i have to spray lots of disinfectant on it.  

^^^

The right question is where are his blueprints? What agenda is he following?

What has he done so far, save from talking and talking and making promises like every typical politicians?

We dont need a military ruler to get Nigeria moving. There are many democratic countries moving froward.

What military power does he need to ensure his ministers present their blueprints. he gave them 2 weeks, now months have passed.

Orikinla:
[size=20pt]I WILL NEVER SUPPORT THE PROSECUTION OF JAMES IBORI UNTIL MR. GOODLUCK JONATHAN TELLS US THE TRUTH ON THE EFCC CASE AGAINST HIS WIFE.[/size]

"He Who Comes Into Equity Must Come With Clean Hands."

Damm!

Let me borrow your brain for a moment here.

'We must not support any armed robber prosecution until every Nigerian alleged to have stolen money is arrested and brought to justice'

Disgusting reasoning. . . returns your brain with immediate effect before I lose my sanity.

shakes head in pity. You certainly do not belong to my world

^^^  Good.

It is your duty to use google to back your claims.

Now I have spur you to make a proper claim with evidence

Everyone (including those born after 8o's) can now attempt to agree with u.

So you should thank me. 

But we are still not sure that he didnt convert the common model to this.

Can somebody help us remind Uncle Joe that time is running out.

All we have so far are mere words, promises at best.

We need results and am not seeing any yet.

I wonder what excuse he now has, the cabals are no longer in power and yaradua don reach heaven/hell.

Its about time he change his wife's name from Patience to Quick-action cos some of us are running out of patience.

[size=15pt]Hurry up, Jonathan[/size]

By Reuben Abati
IT is very easy in a Presidential position in Nigeria, nay Africa, to get carried away with the ceremonies of office, to be largely overwhelmed by the fawning attention of sycophants and opportunists, and as the intensity of this increases, the man of power begins to imagine himself a superman, and he soon forgets his primary assignment and begins to enjoy the office for its own sake and what it can bring. It is both a practical and psychological pitfall, the drama of which has been played out all too often in many African states, to the great discomfort and disadvantage of the people. It looks like President Goodluck Jonathan is beginning to fall into that pit. He needs to watch his steps.

During the inauguration of a new Federal cabinet in March, Acting President Goodluck Jonathan as he then was, seemed to have demonstrated an awareness of this same pitfall when he promised that his government will "hit the ground running." He charged the new Ministers to come up with blueprints within two weeks and that this will be formally presented to the Executive Council and defended. That speech was full of excellent sound bites. In it, the Acting President also promised to focus on certain key areas of governmental activity: electoral reform, the war on corruption, the Niger Delta crisis, and the power sector. To show his determination, the then Acting President also took personal charge of the power portfolio with a promise that his government will ensure regular electricity supply in the country as a matter of urgent priority.

Although there was still so much uncertainty surrounding his Presidency, with the former President Umaru Yar'Adua still in the background on a sick bed, and reports of selective sightings of the ailing President, Jonathan's emergence brought fresh hope and helped to stabilise a drifting polity. With Yar'Adua's death on May 5, and Jonathan's assumption of full presidential powers on May 6, whatever doubts that may have existed about the legitimacy of his government were neatly resolved. But since February, and given the events of the last few days, there is no indication that President Jonathan intends to "hit the ground running." He seems to have hit the ground dancing. He should watch his footwork. Where are the blueprints from the Ministers? Three months have gone already, when will Jonathan start working? He should read the mood of the Nigerian people more carefully, the ordinary people, I mean. They are impatient.

In three years of the Yar'Adua presidency, not much transformation took place as the people continued to search in vain for the same democracy dividends they have been looking for since 1999. They were distracted by tales of Presidential illness, and the wanton irresponsibility of the professional political elite. Jonathan has enjoyed so much public goodwill because he is the beneficiary of the change that the people wanted. Any kind of change would do, and that is why not so much capital has been made out of the fact that Jonathan was in fact a part of the Yar'Adua government as No 2 man. Jonathan is expected to run a Presidency that is driven by a policy of "business unusual." A Presidency that works as if it is under the pressure of time, and it is; a carefully focused government whose only priority is service delivery within the short period available, and a man at the top who inspires fresh confidence because he knows what he is doing.

Early signs indicate that Jonathan may find it difficult stepping up to the game. He has fallen so early into the error of doing business as usual. He is the ultimate pacifier. He seems determined to run a government of the Godfathers. Every man who imagines himself to be a custodian of the Nigerian legacy, even only a portion of it, seems to have a share of his government. Nothing has been more sordid than the silly politicking that has so far attended the appointment of a new Vice President. For comparison, Dr. Jonathan should look towards Britain where a major political situation has been resolved so decently within a matter of days, without any disruptions and the country has moved on. A general parliamentary election was held (no ballot snatching, no violence,  no iwuruwuru), the result was a hung parliament and a coalition government had to be formed (in Nigeria, that could have resulted in bloodshed), Gordon Brown resigns (if he were a Nigerian, he would have found a way of getting some MPs to cross-carpet to the Labour Party), the LibDems align with the Conservatives, David Cameron emerges as Prime Minister (born in 1966; IBB are you there?) and Nick Clegg as Deputy Prime Minister (born in 1967: IBB, you see?), and almost immediately a new cabinet is announced. Britain is moving on. It is possible to say that the circumstances are different (no Prime Minister died in Britain) but we are dealing with the same issues: change of government, management of processes and leadership; while Nigerian flounders, the British have again shown us how a modern government should run.

For a whole week, the country was held hostage by speculations about who should be the next Vice President. We have been treated not to a decisive and prompt choice by the President, but to the activities of all kinds of powerful individuals and groups: The Governors Forum, the Northern Senators Forum, Northern Emirs, the Yar'Adua family, General Theophilus Danjuma, and General Olusegun Obasanjo all associated with the nomination process. The Northern Senators Forum was divided over the issue and the Governors reportedly resolved that one of them must become the Vice President. The Middle Belt was up in protest and some characters from the North West claimed that if the Vice President did not emerge from their geographical zone, Nigeria's unity could be threatened. There has been no talk about quality or merit. Former President Olusegun Obasanjo goes to Katsina to pay a condolence visit and he reportedly told the Yar'Adua family that President Jonathan will sustain the late Yar'Adua's legacy. How does he know that?

In every manner, President Jonathan gives the impression that he is yet to take charge of his office. He should hurry up. He should appoint as Vice President, a man that he can work with, not someone whose only interest is politics and the 2011 general elections. The Governor of Kaduna State, Namadi Sambo has been named Vice president designate, but the Governors Forum is said to have imposed on him on the President. The dirty politicking over the appointment of the Vice President already exposes the dangers in the zoning arrangement and Nigeria's fragile unity. By allowing every matter to drag, Jonathan slows down his government and loses momentum.

When will his initiative on electoral reform begin? What is his blueprint for the Niger Delta? When will the construction companies begin the task of providing needed infrastructure in that region? Or if that is not possible, what structural and constitutional reforms does he want to push through to resolve existing conflicts? On corruption, is he really interested in the anti-corruption war or he is out to use the anti-corruption agencies to settle conflicts within the ruling PDP? These are not the key signals coming out of the Jonathan Presidency. His handling of the appointment of the Vice President can only further divide the PDP. Those whose names have been touted and who have been busy lobbying for support may become new enemies of the president and the new Vice president and do their utmost best to thwart the administration's efforts. In more serious societies, where there are equally divisive issues as in Nigeria, a Vice president would have been announced immediately and all mischief-makers duly neutralised.
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And yet what the people want is real change: change in their circumstances or a momentum in that direction. Something has changed however: President Jonathan's wardrobe. He now oscillates between the Ijaw gear, the Arewa cap and the complete Yoruba agbada. One of these days, he will get round to the Igbo red cap, the Tivi black and white cap, and the Efik/Ibibio wrapper. No chance for the Koma people in that wardrobe arrangement, I think. But can President Jonathan just please, hurry up and focus on the important issues of national interest, the same issues that he himself has identified to start with?

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/editorial_opinion/article02/140510?pdate=140510&ptitle=Hurry%20up,%20Jonathan

ajadudu:
If you were around in the early 80's you will know that VW actually manufactured the beetle in that shape. EXACTLY
This dude just found a junked beetle model like that and beat it back to life. Meh!
Zero creativity, 100% copy copy. Next,

I was around in the early 80's, but never saw a beetle of that look.

Do us a favour of checking the internet or anywhere for pictures of beetles in the 80's that look like that and post it.

Whao! love this creativity.

Pro Anti:
The name is Pro Anti.
Pro- something, Anti-Same thing.

In other word you are confusion - being pro and anti at the same time.  

What a thread and brilliant political reasoning!

pro01:
All these dullards that can only 'see' words but can't read. All the logical argument in the world would only elicit more illogic from the confederacy of dunces that have 'invaded' this thread. Too bad wise men and deep thinkers are in such short supply in Nairaland.

Keep with your shallow, subjective responses; I am not even ruffled by the personal, pointless attacks from intellectually disabled zombies like you. As the respectable Jonathan Swift remarked in his Pulitzer Prize winning work, A Confederacy of Dunces (1980):

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know by this sign - that the dunces are all in confederacy against him".

End of discussion.

I read all your posts.

It is contradictory. You are defending at the same time time claiming not defending

It is shallow: up till now you have not explained what you mean by  'Maximum Force' how many battalions of soldiers were deployed to arrest Ibori?

It defies logic & common sense: You mean we should leave the smaller thieves till we are able to get the bigger ones.

The joke is on you big time.

Jakumo:
The trading of colorful insults and put-downs is as revered a tradition among Nigerians, as is the black American version of rhyming insults known as "The Dozens", in which televised competitions are now held on the BET cable channel.   First time visitors to Nigeria often confess to being startled at the sheer volume with which Nigerians converse, and the way they joyfully exchange insults and threats at the drop of a hat, yet rarely ever come to blows.

My personal favourite verbal affronts noted in the Nairaland Forum are as follows :

" You are the product of a leaking condom."

" To say you are as ugly as a monkey would be to insult monkeys."

" I don't blame you, knowing you are the love-child of your father's gardener and one of his goats."

" Where on earth did a village lunatic like you manage to stumble across a computer keyboard ?"

" I am sure that you never cease to amaze yourself with the insane ranting that emanates from your mouth. "

lol

@OP

Anyway, overtime you will be able to identify those with good reasoning ability and capability for intelligent debate.

Also you will come to identify those ignorant peeps, who after they lost an argument resolve to insults

learn to avoid them; make your point to them, correct their error/ignorance and go, as they will be incapable of good reasoning no matter what you say and how you say it.

Also the saying 'empty barrel makes the loudest noise' is true here. Dont be deceived by their overwhelming number of posts, more than 90% of their posts lack substance.

Anyway Atiku is no longer relevant in my book of politics.

he cant rant whatever he likes.

very funny. . . so some idiotic fools/morons people claiming to be 'brilliant' can come online to defend a crook and a criminal like Ibori,

on the excuse that the bigger thieves were not yet caught. Just imagine a non Nigerian reading all these silly defenses of Ibori's arrest.

. . .  shakes heads . . . wondering how long Naija still have to go. . .  

is this woman living in Nigeria? how couldn't she have thought Ibori will jump bail?

Was she not aware that it was Aondoka /yaradead that were his cover?

And since his cover has been removed, he will most likely jump bail.

Also the man jumped bail in UK, so he has a record of jumping bail.

by this am sure it is now clear to every one that power has changed hands.

Ivynwa, dont worry its because you a new. You will soon get used to it and start to enjoy it.

The insults and abuses are part of the things that make Nairaland.

Just dont take everything you read here to heart.

Read, learn, educate/inform others and have fun (sometimes through insults). . . that is Nairaland

I lived in Okota for more than 15years and we have a house there. Apart from the construction of okota palace road, this bridge is the best thing that has happened to that area.

Now i miss home and okota now.

Eko oni baje!

just saw his picture.

Is there anyone that has his past records?

ok o!

Nonsense!

becomrich7:
I went to university of ilorin. read electrical engineering.

what?