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solmus:
China grew from developing country to developed country within 30 years fastest growth ever

But the Strategies they used if Buhari tries it Nigerians would curse him to death

Can Nigeria close it borders completely and begin backward integration?

If Buhari orders no more car importation and we must drive only Innosus, proforce and cars built in Nigeria so that Nigerian Engineering graduate can have job .... Won't people protest

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Nigerians even curse Buhari for instructing the CBN not to provide forex for toothpick importation. Importation business is the fastest way to wealth. Stop it and Nigeria would implode.

With stories that his previous wives complained of domestic violence, his recurring verbal attacks on journalists and fellow politicians, and his public acknowledgement of having a 'short fuse', anyone would be inclined to believe domestic abuse may likely be the cause of the current crisis. But then again, one can never completely trust the words of scorned women.

sukar886:
This man is targeting governorship 2023,most people don't know him b4 but becos of his son, he is popular now

Terry Waya has always been around for a long time. One of the flamboyant moneybags that usually featured in Ovation and other lifestyle magazines back then. His son only just made us remember him again.

RuudVanNisteroy:
"Because of their influence in the Hausa and Muslim communities, Dangote and Dantata have always been useful to both the civilian and military leaders who ruled Nigeria. Dangote enjoyed GON favoritism in the form of importing rights throughout the military regimes and coups of the 1980s and 90s. Though he has connections with political figures throughout the country, his link to Obasanjo (OBJ) paid off when OBJ was elected president in 1999. Since then, Dangote's market advantages and growth have multiplied. "

Another excerpt from Wikileaks, you make it seem like he is one genious, when all he was just a uselful tool for the military and and civilian leaders.

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rafindo

Oh yes, dangote and dantata are the only ones with influence in the entire Nigeria, that must be why they were the only ones who could do business with military and civilian regimes, APC aand PDP, Christian and Muslim regimes, borth and southern regimes etc.

You simply cannot acknowledge the man is a good businessman so you must find a way to rubbish his acumen and cann it mere favouritism. Dangote is obviously the only businessman in Nigeria.

RuudVanNisteroy:
Hero?! I will remind you the disastrous effect of private interest having a monopoly over a key natural resource like Oil,and Gas.

" In each industry, the Dangote Group has been able to climb from zero production at market entry to become a
top producer in a relatively brief period. Sugar refining began in 1999 and today the Group manufactures an estimated 100 percent of Nigeria's sugar consumption needs. In cement, the Group reports it started from zero importation of production inputs five years ago to today
importing between 3.5 and 4.0 million tons each year, comprising 50 percent of imported cement into Nigeria and 40 percent of the total cement market in Nigeria. A Dangote manager told AgAttache and Econoff the Group's goal is to dominate every sector in which it operates. He also
proclaimed its willingness to play hardball to reach its goal. "

Excerpt from Wikileak,being a monopolist takes no ingenuity.

Well, monopoly isnt good but its absolute witchcraft to hate on Dangote for being smart while others slept and partied away.

Dangote simply takes quick advantage of govt policies while other businessmen sleep. But you now want to vilify him for that? I'm sorry that's witchcraft.

Whenever you want to make this argument, always refer to his refinery; nothing stopped other big businessmen in the downstream pil sector from building refineries, but they chose to import fuel and steal subsidies instead. Now Dangote is about to rise from Zero to the Top and you want to vilify him for that with some flimsy wikileak report?

Yes Dangote jad sole cement import license because he took advantage of the import substitution policy of govt. The policy stated that for you to retain your import license, you have to build production capacity in Nigerian. While others were busy revelling in their importation, only Dangote and a few others (Lafarge, flour mills etc) took advantage and it was only a matter of time before the policy took effect and other non-compliant importers lost their import license. Oh I forgot, we have to blame Dangote there too for being a smart man.

RuudVanNisteroy:
Have you read the wikileaks report about him from US?I repeat he is not to be admired.


https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/05LAGOS362_a.html

Oh yes I've read it before, and I just read it again. There's nothing new in there that we havent already mentioned in this thread so I wonder why you're bringing it up (or is it cos its from a foreign source?)

The wikileaks report means absolutely nothing, it simply describes the profile of every businessman or capitalist both in Nigeria and the world over. Every businessman wants an advantage over his competition. Dangote simply wins by embarking on some landmark economic projects which earn him govt favours, and helps him outshine and swallow his competition. You need to quit hating on the man whose only crime is being smarter than others and being successful.

When you want to accuse him of being a ruthless monopolist, I will always dangle his refinery project in your face. That refinery has the capacity to save Nigeria from sinking into an economic abyss; something successful govts could not do for 3 decades, and you want me to hate on a man for rescuing Nigeria simply because he will be a monopolist?

The govt has been begging businessmen to come build refineries. What stopped other corrupt businessmen from from building refineries? Was a license given to only Dangote? Others chose to simply build tank farms, import fuel and resell whilst defrauding the country with fraudulent subsidies. Very soon Dangote will be almost the sole supplier of petroleum products all over tbe country and then we will wail that he's a monopoly?

Same thing happened in the cement and sugar which we wail about today... Others dwelled on importing but Dangote was building manufacturing and processing capacity here in Nigeria and within a few years, govt withdrew the importation license of others only for us to come and start wailing over Dangote's monopoly. If everyone else wants to keep sleeping and owambe-ing while Dangote proactively takes over every sector, dont you think its witchcraft to start hating Dangote for simply being smart?

I'm sorry but Dangote is a hero, whether you like it or not.

RuudVanNisteroy:
Nigeria the world headquarters of corruption and with some of the most corrupt leaders to ever walk the planet like IBB,Abacha,OBJ gave Dangote monopoly in the 80's,90's and 2000's. He is not to be admired for what he traded to get those monopolies.

I'm sorry but that's how capitalism works all over the world, Dangote is definitely worthy of all admiration for excellently distinguishing himself from his colleagues. He isnt the only businessman in Nigeria that lobbies for favours from govt, every single businessman does the same thing, all over the world. With all the corruption in Nigeria from IBB to Abacha to OBJ to date, how come Dangote is the only businessman it always favours? How come he always leads irrespective of the govt in charge? You think it's a mere coincidence? Building his refinery for instance was taking away a massive responsibility and burden from govt. So even if the govt hates him, you cant help but support him (for everyone's good).

I'm sorry but you have to give honour to whom it is due. Dangote's smartness and acumen can never be overemphasised.

RuudVanNisteroy:
How is a better business man when he has always enjoyed monopoly from the military and civilian regimes. The same can be said of Kola Aluko that got the oil lifting contracts.

You are given monopoly to import cement,flour,sugar,pasta for a nation of 200 million people and now have monopoly to refine oil and you tell me that takes ingenuity.

He earned that monopoly, Dangote earned it and we need to stop hating on the man...

Long before Dangote got his license to build a refinery, the govt was literally begging local and foreign investors to come take licenses and build refineries. Several people took those licenses but ended up building storage tank farms just to import fuel. Dangote took a bold step by delving into the uncharted territory of building a private refinery; he hasnt even completed it but here you are, already hating on him for being a monopoly? Was it Dangote that stopped others from building refineries? Wow! Humans are indeed amazing!

Something similar happened for cement and sugar. There was a govt policy (I think it was called 'import substitution') which gave import licenses only to businesses that had shown capacity or intent to produce the imported goods locally in Nigeria... Whilst other businesses were busy importing, Dangote was busy developing his cement factories simultaneously. And now we want to blame Dangote for being serious and focused?

rafindo:
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Business is not charity and besides Nigeria is not running socialism. First to enter a sector enjoys monopoly until competition are there .government is interested in more company been established in order to get more revenue that his the truth about the matter. So if you can't compete favourably in the sector learn from him just the same way he sold his flour company to olam group.

I'm guessing you replied a wrong post here? I'm not sure where I inferred that business is charity or where I made any complaint about Dangote's monopoly. I only stated things as they are.

RuudVanNisteroy:
Dangote will not be were he is today if it wasn't for the monopoly he got from IBB in the 80s; Abacha in the 90's and OBJ in the 2000's fact!

Every businessman lobbies, bribes, schemes, fights, some even murder people to get those monopolistic priviledges which Dangote always gets. Why then exactly does it favour only Dangote regardless of the regime? From IBB to Abacha to Abdulsalam to OBJ to Yaradua to GEJ to Buhari? How come every single govt somehow favours Dangote like he's the only businessman out there in the field?...

The answer to the above is simple, Dangote is the G.O.A.T! He simply does it better than otbers....

Take his refinery for instance, the government has been issuing licenses and literally begging investors to come build refineries. No one seemed to care, everyone preferred the safer investment of importing products and collecting subsidies. With Dangote taking that bull by the horn, he's taking away an age-long massive massive massive burden from govt, and irrespective of who's in power, or how much the regime hates Aliko, the govt has absolutely no choice than to help him. We need to give it up for the man abeg!

COMPAQ:
So if Dangote is selling for N250 and I could bring in from South Africa for N180, sourcing forex by myself, why would FG stop me. Don't create unnecessary conspiracy theories. Dangote is just a better business man that has better vision than most. Being connected helps, but that is not all of the story.

If you can import the products for N180, Dangote would simply adjust his prices to N178 and knock you out of business, or he'd bribe the govt to increase import duties to ensure the imported products can never fall cheaper than his.

And by the way, these arent conspiracy theories; it's just an analysis of the potential outcomes based on past events.

edoairways:
What most Nigerians fail to understand is the fact that there is change in technology. Few years from now, the demand for petrol cars will reduce

When Dangote's refinery is completed, Nigerian govt will stop importation of petroleum products completely and the govt will completely deregulate the downstream sector (this has already even just happened). Being basically the sole supplier of such an indispensable product (other private refinery owners would supply less than 10% of Nigeria's demand), Dangote would unanimously fix the pump prices and it wouldn't be less than N250/litre. In less than 5 years, he would have recovered his entire investment and in the next 5 years again, he'd be competing with Gates and Bezos at the top spot, and the gross stupidity of Nigerian governments (past and present) would be exposed clearly for the world to see.

eagleu:
Most importantly, why is the corrupt Fulani government refusing to give other Nigerians the super sweet deal given to Dangote?

Lol.. i knew this flawed assertion will always come up again whenever Dangote's impending success hits the headlines.

In the game of capitalism and politics, the smartest player always wins. In the Nigerian terrain, DANGOTE is the smartest of them all, the G.O.A.T, and that's why he always wins; you can take that to the bank.

You say he succeeds because he's being favoured by the 'corrupt Fulani govt'. Permit me to correct your statement - Dangote isn't just favoured by the Fulani govt, he is favoured by every single government, both local and international, from north, east, west, south, Muslim, Christian, local banks, foreign banks, PDP, APC etc.

Every single businessman wants the priviledges Dangote enjoys, but somehow, only Dangote always gets it, regardless of the govt in power... He succeeds because he's a smart and shrewd businessman who knows how to 'press the mumu button' of any government. Building his refinery for instance was a masterstroke; that takes away a massive massive burden from govt. No matter how the person in govt wants to hate him, the govt quite often finds itself in a situation where it has no choice but to support Dangote...

That explains why he was favoured by OBJ (a corrupt southern Christian) over his competition like Ibeto, BUA etc. He was also favoured by GEJ (another corrupt southern Christian) over his competition before the current regime. So your relegation of his help system to the 'Fulani govt' or your ascribing it to tribe is rather a flawed logic.

Simplyleo:
Nigeria is an oil producing country.

The country can sell the crude to Dangote at a highly reduced price so he in turn sells to Nigerians at reduced price. Forex not involved in this case and nothing like subsidy in addition.

That should be our benefit for oil production. Shebi dem say landing cost, forex bla bla bla are the reason for high prices?

If Nigerians cannot benefit from the refinery by way of reduced pump price, what then is the rationale behind assisting him with forex at subsidised rate for the importation of materials for the refinery?

Selling crude to Dangote at reduced price is the same thing as govt paying SUBSIDY.

crestedaguiyi:
What who is sayibg pls.

I cant spend my time listening to freeze,
He is a failure, he failed educationally, maritally and career wise. He is an all round failure.

If he marries again, the wife will still beat him up again for been stupid and idiotic

How exactly did the man fail educationally or career wise?... His career as a radio presenter and Mc, if he truly was a failure like you posit, none of us would have ever heard his name.

No need to compare fishes and oranges. They're 2 very different things, serving 2 different purposes.

When I want to gbedu and dance, it's Davido for me.

CodeTemplar:
Arguable but not relevant. It is a technique bigots often resort to.

A 'bigot' is actually someone who believes his interpretation is always right and that of others are wrong. When one begins to think his biblical interpretations are right and that of others is "perverted", despite the fact that both interpretations are based on biblical scripts, then you may need to actually re-examine yourself for traits of 'bigotry'.

CodeTemplar:
There is irrelevant fact except you wan to feign daftness. In the context of the a debate about tithe, I can decide to sample a fact about justice, and that will amount to an irrelevant fact. It is a fact but irrelevant to the discussion at hand(tithe)

What you term 'irrelevant' always ends up becoming subjective. What Mr A terms irrelevant may not be irrelevant in Mr B's interpretation. It then degenerates into the argument of who's right and who's wrong.

CodeTemplar:
His arguments are from scriptures but the induction from it are wrong. There is what is called irrelevant fact. Fact doesn't equate to rightful application of same(wisdom)

There no such thing as irrelevant fact from the bible. You're simply subscribing to the long held 'convenient' interpretation of 'men'. We seem to pick and choose the portions of scripture that suit us and then tag the rest 'irrelevant'? How convenient!

CodeTemplar:
lol.... he uses perverted logic.

Perverted logic from the bible, right?

lexy2014:
U haven't answered anything. Ur response above has nothing to do with d questions I asked.

So if u say I shouldn't "fall into the trap of thinking you're always right and others are wrong". let me ask u, do u think I am right and u are wrong? Or do u think u are right& I am wrong?

Ephesians 5 which u have been quoting said in verse 23 that "d husband is d head of d wife JUST AS Christ is d head of d church". If d husband/wife relationship is patterned after Christ/church relationship, did Christ submit to d church as u expect d husband to submit to his wife?

What does it mean to submit?

If you still cant comprehend the English grammar I spoke below, then au revoir! I'm out! You win!

obailala:
I've answered your question with every single post I've made. I have said "no one is right or wrong" about 3 times and I've said "the man is the head of the home" about 3 times. I'm now beginning to believe you aren't reading anything I write but just running back to reply.

Verse 21 says both should submit to each other, then verse 22 onwards makes it clear that the man still remains the head of the home nevertheless. You're obviously trying to discount the essence of verse 21, but No! it was placed there for a reason... Submitting to each other doesn't make the man subject to the woman, neither does it negate the man's authority as the head of the home as those verses emphasise. All those verse when read together simply means that whilst the man is the head, the woman shouldn't necessarily be disregarded. The reason verse 21 was included in there was obviously to checkmate the potential excesses of ruthless patriarchs.

lexy2014:
U still haven't answered d questions I asked:

So if u say I shouldn't "fall into the trap of thinking you're always right and others are wrong". let me ask u, do u think I am right and u are wrong? Or do u think u are right& I am wrong?

Ephesians 5 which u have been quoting said in verse 23 that "d husband is d head of d wife JUST AS Christ is d head of d church". If d husband/wife relationship is patterned after Christ/church relationship, did Christ submit to d church as u expect d husband to submit to his wife?

What does it mean to submit?

I've answered your question with every single post I've made. I have said "no one is right or wrong" about 3 times and I've said "the man is the head of the home" about 3 times. I'm now beginning to believe you aren't reading anything I write but just running back to reply.

Verse 21 says both should submit to each other, then verse 22 onwards makes it clear that the man still remains the head of the home nevertheless. You're obviously trying to discount the essence of verse 21, but No! it was placed there for a reason... Submitting to each other doesn't make the man subject to the woman, neither does it negate the man's authority as the head of the home as those verses emphasise. All those verse when read together simply means that whilst the man is the head, the woman shouldn't necessarily be disregarded. The reason verse 21 was included in there was obviously to checkmate the potential excesses of ruthless patriarchs.

lexy2014:
So if u say I shouldn't "fall into the trap of thinking you're always right and others are wrong". let me ask u, do u think I am right and u are wrong? Or do u think u are right& I am wrong?

Ephesians 5 which u have been quoting said in verse 23 that "d husband is d head of d wife JUST AS Christ is d head of d church". If d husband/wife relationship is patterned after Christ/church relationship, did Christ submit to d church as u expect d husband to submit to his wife?

In terms of screenshot with heading, let me share mine with u. Where does verse 21 fall into in my screenshot?

Ahaa! You see what I've been saying about no one being right or wrong? It's all about perspective. Your bible version titles the section beginning from verse 22 as "Husband and Wives", making it seem like the family instructions start from verse 22. But mine which I posted earlier starts the section at verse 21 and titles it "Instructions for Christian Households". Now you see why we have different views?

All in all, the message when read together is clear; the husband is the head of the home, but verse 21 makes it clear that the wife should also have a say and should not be disregarded.

lexy2014:
Your red arrow doesn't answer d questions I asked which are as follows:

Can u pls quote Ephesians 5:21 and show me d exact words that show that it was addressed to Christian households? Where did d issue of husband & wife begin in Ephesians 5?

If u say that d man is d head, who is he d head of d woman according to Ephesians 5?

D same Ephesians said d husband should love his wife as Christ loved d church. It also said that d husband is d head of d wife just as Christ is d head of d church. Did or does Christ submit to church?

The paragraph title (i.e. red arrow) refers to Christian households. First instruction following that title is "submit to one another". Who else makes up the household if not man and wife?. Or are you saying verse 21 refers to man and his children or his livestock (since you're sure wife only applies from verse 22)?

Meanwhile you lost me on your question about "who is the head of the woman". I already answered that in 2 of my responses to you that the man is the head of the home, the scriptures also makes that clear... So I'm not sure why you keep repeating it.

Anyway, you're free to have your own interpretation. But please don't fall into the trap of thinking you're always right and others are wrong.

lexy2014:
Can u pls quote Ephesians 5:21 and show me d exact words that show that it was addressed to Christian households? Where did d issue of husband & wife begin in Ephesians 5?

lexy2014:
If u say that d man is d head, who is he d head of according to Ephesians 5?

lexy2014:
D same Ephesians said d husband should love his wife as Christ loved d church. It also said that d husband is d head of d wife just as Christ is d head of d church. Did or does Christ submit to church?

I pasted a screenshot showing a title (Red Arrow) above verses 21 - 33. The title says "Instructions for Christian Households", and the first statement says "submit to one another". Subsequent statements also make it crystal clear who the head of the home is; there's no ambiguity in this, except some folks just love arguments. Besides, a man who really loves his wife would somehow still 'submit' to her wishes and not take her for granted.

I guess you're free to give that scripture any kind of interpretation you want to give it. But that the next man interprets it differently from you doesn't necessarily mean anyone is right or the other wrong.

lexy2014:
Who was verse 21 addressed to? Where did d issue of husband and wives start from in Ephesians 5?

Ephesians 5:21-33 was addressed to Christian households. The first instruction was "submit to one another".

Even though the rest of the verses establish the family hierarchy very clearly (i.e. the man being the head), the very first instruction for Christian households is for couples to submit to each other. I don't think there's any ambiguity in this message, maybe people just chose to argue about it just for the sake of argument; or maybe because a character like Daddy Freeze is the one who highlighted it, several people just feel a compulsion to complicate a simple scripture.

JorgedeToledo:
Freeze was saying that while women submit to their husbands, men should also submit to their wives. But this is not biblical.
The bible says that men should love their wives as Christ loved the church; while wives should submit to their husbands.

Freeze erred.

Freeze also quoted directly from the bible in plain English, no ambiguities. Except you're saying the authors of the bible made a mistake or are confused, I wonder what you mean by saying Freeze erred by merely quoting directly from the bible.

The popular scripture we all know and quote is Ephesians 5:22-24. But what about verse 21? Freeze only drew attention to verse 21 by saying submission should really go both ways; even though the message is still very clear that the husband is the head of the wife/house. We really need to start studying the bible ourselves, instead of waiting for pastoral or public interpretation. Also we need to learn to accommodate the views of others, else just risk being 'bigots' if we think our interpretation is always the 'right' one and others are wrong.

Everyone should stay at home...