₦airaland Forum

baralatie:
let me star with mambilla which cost $5.8 billion. the total power expected is 3050 Mw.
egbin is 1320Kw and it will cost you $650 million dollars.if you get 3 egbin power stations you will have 3960 MW at a total cost of $1.95 billion (you have $3 billion left)

now left face this $1.95billion rail link to Niger!
Nigeria is not buying the raw materials in Niger to refine/reform/to service it's own industries.Niger is the country that needs a link to a port.it is the foreign countries that want to access the cheap labour and raw materials in Niger.Already Nigeria has signed up as a member of Africa free trade zone(zero negligible tariffs)$1.95 is to link your rail infrastructure which is allegedly connected to Lagos port.NRC runs a subsidy regime for rail transport.That means that Nigeria engaged in a $2 billion debt to service Niger's exports while gaining nothing

1. Mambilla is never a waste. There's absolutely no logic in that assertion.
2. Hydro power (sustainable) and thermal gas plants arent the same thing.
3. $650m for a 1320mw power plant at Egbin? Are you sure of this cost?

No public enterprise works efficiently under the operation of Nigerian government because Nigerian governments are inept at managing anything.

Poor man oppressing fellow poor man. Sick!

DexterousOne:
Well

I'm not a PDP supporter

For you guys
Someone who DESPISES aPC automatically likes PDP

That's not the case for many of us
Who hate APC and its constituents
And wish nothing but the very worst happen to each of them


PDP disappointed us

APC destroyed what was left
Useless people that God will punish
And punish their kids

And grand kids


APC promised change and brought destruction

PDP owned that "corrupt" tag

And they never pretended to be the "saints"

But APC?

Okay good for you... We're saying the same thing now.

amarachi06:
l will like to overlook your comment, but going through it, l observed that Deji was putting on the same profile pic from 2013 till now.
please stop posting rubbish.
Deji can never define Anambrian as Anambralite.
who does that?
l guess is BMC crew.

Lol... you think you're being smart but you're actually embarassing yourself here.

If I go to your facebook or twitter page TODAY to screenshot a post you made 7 years ago, will your profile pic automatically change to the profile pic your had in the past?

Comedian2019:
How do you justify a siege on Gov. Wike?
I don't know why you zombies are so dumb and foolish.
We are talking about intimidation, zombies are talking about irrelevant things.

The very same individual who publicly justified and applauded the DSS and army in 2013 for detaining El Rufai in Anambra elections, and even proceeded to directly mock El Rufai for raising an alarm, has suddenly just realised in 2020 that such illegal detention is undemocratic cos the tables have now turned.

You are the king of kings and lord or lords of idiotic zombies, brainless folks and dullards if you cant discern the message there!!

Hangulsaram:
I wanted to see your evident that other PDP governors where there at Anambra and Ekiti moving freely, beside then Anambra was APGA.

Oh you want evidence from me? Go and find it then.

anonimi:
I am not the one who wants change.
Your man of integrity, the incorruptible Barawo Bubu is the one who wants change.
Deal with that.

Oh wow! you dont want change? Since you prefer the lawlessness and rascality to continue, why then are you bothered about APc obliging you and serving your preferred PDP treatment?

Oh I forgot, the rascality doesnt favour you this time so you now want 'change'? Yoo many clowns in this country.

DexterousOne:
The foolishness does not reat with PDP alone

APC HAVE PROVEN to be useless and destructive

From the old fool in Aso Rock
To the rotten teeth guy in Bourdillon
And that short rat in Kaduna state...


You people are not ready for change

Because instead of us to condemn bad thing as bad thing
U people will be cheering it because it is APC doing the crap


U mention PDP of Ekiti
What will you say of APC antics in Osun, and Kogi?

Or you have hit your head on the wall and now have amnesia?


Yeye people
Hopeless country

No I'm sorry, I dont have amnesia, and I'm not a hopeless hypocritic like most of you PDP supporters who shamelessly cheer evil when it favours your cause but only realise it's evil when the tables are turned, and then start asking "where is the change?"

Unlike you and your folk, when I see evil, I call it evil irrespective of who perpetrates it or who it favours.

anonimi:
What does change mean?
Is Barawo Bubu too illiterate to understand what he freely promised?



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Ahaaa! Oh you now want change? You remember change only when the sleaze and filth doesnt favour you? How shameless!

Cmon will you gerrarrahia!

Minjim:
Atiku should take a seat

Let me help you complete it...

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And then check out the U-turn in 2020.
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Nigerians obviously denounce evil only when it doesnt favour them. Meanwhile the unfortunate fellow has been parading himself about as a 'pro-democracy, human rights activist'... but the internet never forgets.

DexterousOne:
What are APC governors doing in Edo State?


You see where the foolishness comes in?


Governors leave their states to come cause mayhem in another state

The foolishness actually rests solely with PDP officials and their supporters who despite doing worse in 2013 (Anambra) and 2014 (Ekiti), are now suddenly 'democracrats' in 2020.

For example, just behold the shamelessness of this unfortunate hungry self acclaimed 'pro-democracy and human rights activist' between 2013 and 2020.

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And then check out the U-turn in 2020.
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Nigerians obviously denounce evil only when it doesnt favour them.

STARYBOY:
COVID-19 WEY NO TOUCH TINUBU

jlinkd78:
APC is simply unintelligent. Everything about interstate quarantine ended d moment interstate travel restrictions was stopped

slivertongue:
APC can't repeat pdp's madness and call it democracy. they must live by example

Jostoman:
for your information Tinubu, ganduje, supreme Court governor hope uzodinma, Ovie Omo agege all of them are in Edo state right now and nobody is harassing them o

Karma is such a dirty biatch! In 2013, exactly the same treatment was given to El Rufai in Anambra. The DSS under the amiable democrat GEJ claimed they were trying to 'protect' him cos Awka wasnt safe.

See the 2013 shameless comments of our so called patriotic PDPians on this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/1519601/elrufai-restricted-awka-hotel-room

In 2014, exact same treatment was given to Amaechi and other APC officials in Ekiti. The DSS and army under the amiable democrat GEJ once again claimed they were held in detention for their own safety.

Meanwhile, can someone please behold the comments of the shameless hungry self acclaimed 'human rights and pro-democracy activist' Deji Adeyanju. Please what changed in this unfortunate fellow's head between 2013 and 2020?.... Human rights activist indeed!

Nigeria is obviously a shithole cos we hypocritically protest corruption and scream 'rule of law' ONLY when the sleaze doesn't favour us..

solmus:
China grew from developing country to developed country within 30 years fastest growth ever

But the Strategies they used if Buhari tries it Nigerians would curse him to death

Can Nigeria close it borders completely and begin backward integration?

If Buhari orders no more car importation and we must drive only Innosus, proforce and cars built in Nigeria so that Nigerian Engineering graduate can have job .... Won't people protest

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Nigerians even curse Buhari for instructing the CBN not to provide forex for toothpick importation. Importation business is the fastest way to wealth. Stop it and Nigeria would implode.

With stories that his previous wives complained of domestic violence, his recurring verbal attacks on journalists and fellow politicians, and his public acknowledgement of having a 'short fuse', anyone would be inclined to believe domestic abuse may likely be the cause of the current crisis. But then again, one can never completely trust the words of scorned women.

sukar886:
This man is targeting governorship 2023,most people don't know him b4 but becos of his son, he is popular now

Terry Waya has always been around for a long time. One of the flamboyant moneybags that usually featured in Ovation and other lifestyle magazines back then. His son only just made us remember him again.

RuudVanNisteroy:
"Because of their influence in the Hausa and Muslim communities, Dangote and Dantata have always been useful to both the civilian and military leaders who ruled Nigeria. Dangote enjoyed GON favoritism in the form of importing rights throughout the military regimes and coups of the 1980s and 90s. Though he has connections with political figures throughout the country, his link to Obasanjo (OBJ) paid off when OBJ was elected president in 1999. Since then, Dangote's market advantages and growth have multiplied. "

Another excerpt from Wikileaks, you make it seem like he is one genious, when all he was just a uselful tool for the military and and civilian leaders.

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rafindo

Oh yes, dangote and dantata are the only ones with influence in the entire Nigeria, that must be why they were the only ones who could do business with military and civilian regimes, APC aand PDP, Christian and Muslim regimes, borth and southern regimes etc.

You simply cannot acknowledge the man is a good businessman so you must find a way to rubbish his acumen and cann it mere favouritism. Dangote is obviously the only businessman in Nigeria.

RuudVanNisteroy:
Hero?! I will remind you the disastrous effect of private interest having a monopoly over a key natural resource like Oil,and Gas.

" In each industry, the Dangote Group has been able to climb from zero production at market entry to become a
top producer in a relatively brief period. Sugar refining began in 1999 and today the Group manufactures an estimated 100 percent of Nigeria's sugar consumption needs. In cement, the Group reports it started from zero importation of production inputs five years ago to today
importing between 3.5 and 4.0 million tons each year, comprising 50 percent of imported cement into Nigeria and 40 percent of the total cement market in Nigeria. A Dangote manager told AgAttache and Econoff the Group's goal is to dominate every sector in which it operates. He also
proclaimed its willingness to play hardball to reach its goal. "

Excerpt from Wikileak,being a monopolist takes no ingenuity.

Well, monopoly isnt good but its absolute witchcraft to hate on Dangote for being smart while others slept and partied away.

Dangote simply takes quick advantage of govt policies while other businessmen sleep. But you now want to vilify him for that? I'm sorry that's witchcraft.

Whenever you want to make this argument, always refer to his refinery; nothing stopped other big businessmen in the downstream pil sector from building refineries, but they chose to import fuel and steal subsidies instead. Now Dangote is about to rise from Zero to the Top and you want to vilify him for that with some flimsy wikileak report?

Yes Dangote jad sole cement import license because he took advantage of the import substitution policy of govt. The policy stated that for you to retain your import license, you have to build production capacity in Nigerian. While others were busy revelling in their importation, only Dangote and a few others (Lafarge, flour mills etc) took advantage and it was only a matter of time before the policy took effect and other non-compliant importers lost their import license. Oh I forgot, we have to blame Dangote there too for being a smart man.

RuudVanNisteroy:
Have you read the wikileaks report about him from US?I repeat he is not to be admired.


https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/05LAGOS362_a.html

Oh yes I've read it before, and I just read it again. There's nothing new in there that we havent already mentioned in this thread so I wonder why you're bringing it up (or is it cos its from a foreign source?)

The wikileaks report means absolutely nothing, it simply describes the profile of every businessman or capitalist both in Nigeria and the world over. Every businessman wants an advantage over his competition. Dangote simply wins by embarking on some landmark economic projects which earn him govt favours, and helps him outshine and swallow his competition. You need to quit hating on the man whose only crime is being smarter than others and being successful.

When you want to accuse him of being a ruthless monopolist, I will always dangle his refinery project in your face. That refinery has the capacity to save Nigeria from sinking into an economic abyss; something successful govts could not do for 3 decades, and you want me to hate on a man for rescuing Nigeria simply because he will be a monopolist?

The govt has been begging businessmen to come build refineries. What stopped other corrupt businessmen from from building refineries? Was a license given to only Dangote? Others chose to simply build tank farms, import fuel and resell whilst defrauding the country with fraudulent subsidies. Very soon Dangote will be almost the sole supplier of petroleum products all over tbe country and then we will wail that he's a monopoly?

Same thing happened in the cement and sugar which we wail about today... Others dwelled on importing but Dangote was building manufacturing and processing capacity here in Nigeria and within a few years, govt withdrew the importation license of others only for us to come and start wailing over Dangote's monopoly. If everyone else wants to keep sleeping and owambe-ing while Dangote proactively takes over every sector, dont you think its witchcraft to start hating Dangote for simply being smart?

I'm sorry but Dangote is a hero, whether you like it or not.

RuudVanNisteroy:
Nigeria the world headquarters of corruption and with some of the most corrupt leaders to ever walk the planet like IBB,Abacha,OBJ gave Dangote monopoly in the 80's,90's and 2000's. He is not to be admired for what he traded to get those monopolies.

I'm sorry but that's how capitalism works all over the world, Dangote is definitely worthy of all admiration for excellently distinguishing himself from his colleagues. He isnt the only businessman in Nigeria that lobbies for favours from govt, every single businessman does the same thing, all over the world. With all the corruption in Nigeria from IBB to Abacha to OBJ to date, how come Dangote is the only businessman it always favours? How come he always leads irrespective of the govt in charge? You think it's a mere coincidence? Building his refinery for instance was taking away a massive responsibility and burden from govt. So even if the govt hates him, you cant help but support him (for everyone's good).

I'm sorry but you have to give honour to whom it is due. Dangote's smartness and acumen can never be overemphasised.

RuudVanNisteroy:
How is a better business man when he has always enjoyed monopoly from the military and civilian regimes. The same can be said of Kola Aluko that got the oil lifting contracts.

You are given monopoly to import cement,flour,sugar,pasta for a nation of 200 million people and now have monopoly to refine oil and you tell me that takes ingenuity.

He earned that monopoly, Dangote earned it and we need to stop hating on the man...

Long before Dangote got his license to build a refinery, the govt was literally begging local and foreign investors to come take licenses and build refineries. Several people took those licenses but ended up building storage tank farms just to import fuel. Dangote took a bold step by delving into the uncharted territory of building a private refinery; he hasnt even completed it but here you are, already hating on him for being a monopoly? Was it Dangote that stopped others from building refineries? Wow! Humans are indeed amazing!

Something similar happened for cement and sugar. There was a govt policy (I think it was called 'import substitution') which gave import licenses only to businesses that had shown capacity or intent to produce the imported goods locally in Nigeria... Whilst other businesses were busy importing, Dangote was busy developing his cement factories simultaneously. And now we want to blame Dangote for being serious and focused?

rafindo:
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Business is not charity and besides Nigeria is not running socialism. First to enter a sector enjoys monopoly until competition are there .government is interested in more company been established in order to get more revenue that his the truth about the matter. So if you can't compete favourably in the sector learn from him just the same way he sold his flour company to olam group.

I'm guessing you replied a wrong post here? I'm not sure where I inferred that business is charity or where I made any complaint about Dangote's monopoly. I only stated things as they are.

RuudVanNisteroy:
Dangote will not be were he is today if it wasn't for the monopoly he got from IBB in the 80s; Abacha in the 90's and OBJ in the 2000's fact!

Every businessman lobbies, bribes, schemes, fights, some even murder people to get those monopolistic priviledges which Dangote always gets. Why then exactly does it favour only Dangote regardless of the regime? From IBB to Abacha to Abdulsalam to OBJ to Yaradua to GEJ to Buhari? How come every single govt somehow favours Dangote like he's the only businessman out there in the field?...

The answer to the above is simple, Dangote is the G.O.A.T! He simply does it better than otbers....

Take his refinery for instance, the government has been issuing licenses and literally begging investors to come build refineries. No one seemed to care, everyone preferred the safer investment of importing products and collecting subsidies. With Dangote taking that bull by the horn, he's taking away an age-long massive massive massive burden from govt, and irrespective of who's in power, or how much the regime hates Aliko, the govt has absolutely no choice than to help him. We need to give it up for the man abeg!

COMPAQ:
So if Dangote is selling for N250 and I could bring in from South Africa for N180, sourcing forex by myself, why would FG stop me. Don't create unnecessary conspiracy theories. Dangote is just a better business man that has better vision than most. Being connected helps, but that is not all of the story.

If you can import the products for N180, Dangote would simply adjust his prices to N178 and knock you out of business, or he'd bribe the govt to increase import duties to ensure the imported products can never fall cheaper than his.

And by the way, these arent conspiracy theories; it's just an analysis of the potential outcomes based on past events.

edoairways:
What most Nigerians fail to understand is the fact that there is change in technology. Few years from now, the demand for petrol cars will reduce

When Dangote's refinery is completed, Nigerian govt will stop importation of petroleum products completely and the govt will completely deregulate the downstream sector (this has already even just happened). Being basically the sole supplier of such an indispensable product (other private refinery owners would supply less than 10% of Nigeria's demand), Dangote would unanimously fix the pump prices and it wouldn't be less than N250/litre. In less than 5 years, he would have recovered his entire investment and in the next 5 years again, he'd be competing with Gates and Bezos at the top spot, and the gross stupidity of Nigerian governments (past and present) would be exposed clearly for the world to see.

eagleu:
Most importantly, why is the corrupt Fulani government refusing to give other Nigerians the super sweet deal given to Dangote?

Lol.. i knew this flawed assertion will always come up again whenever Dangote's impending success hits the headlines.

In the game of capitalism and politics, the smartest player always wins. In the Nigerian terrain, DANGOTE is the smartest of them all, the G.O.A.T, and that's why he always wins; you can take that to the bank.

You say he succeeds because he's being favoured by the 'corrupt Fulani govt'. Permit me to correct your statement - Dangote isn't just favoured by the Fulani govt, he is favoured by every single government, both local and international, from north, east, west, south, Muslim, Christian, local banks, foreign banks, PDP, APC etc.

Every single businessman wants the priviledges Dangote enjoys, but somehow, only Dangote always gets it, regardless of the govt in power... He succeeds because he's a smart and shrewd businessman who knows how to 'press the mumu button' of any government. Building his refinery for instance was a masterstroke; that takes away a massive massive burden from govt. No matter how the person in govt wants to hate him, the govt quite often finds itself in a situation where it has no choice but to support Dangote...

That explains why he was favoured by OBJ (a corrupt southern Christian) over his competition like Ibeto, BUA etc. He was also favoured by GEJ (another corrupt southern Christian) over his competition before the current regime. So your relegation of his help system to the 'Fulani govt' or your ascribing it to tribe is rather a flawed logic.

Simplyleo:
Nigeria is an oil producing country.

The country can sell the crude to Dangote at a highly reduced price so he in turn sells to Nigerians at reduced price. Forex not involved in this case and nothing like subsidy in addition.

That should be our benefit for oil production. Shebi dem say landing cost, forex bla bla bla are the reason for high prices?

If Nigerians cannot benefit from the refinery by way of reduced pump price, what then is the rationale behind assisting him with forex at subsidised rate for the importation of materials for the refinery?

Selling crude to Dangote at reduced price is the same thing as govt paying SUBSIDY.