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TenQ:
You are a disappointment and this is no understatement;
I asked you two questions
1. How many times did the word Ahad exist in the Quran
2. I asked you to give me FIVE verses with the word AHAD in the Quran

And the best you can bring up is just TWO that isnt even the word AHAD?


1. قَالُوٓا۟ أَجِئْتَنَا لِنَعْبُدَ ٱللَّهَ وَحْدَهُۥ وَنَذَرَ مَا كَانَ يَعْبُدُ ءَابَآؤُنَا ۖ فَأْتِنَا بِمَا تَعِدُنَآ إِن كُنتَ مِنَ ٱلصَّـٰدِقِينَ

Quran 7:70
"They said, 'Have you come to us to make us worship Allah alone and to abandon what our fathers used to worship? Then bring us what you promise us, if you should be among the truthful.'"

Is Ahad the same as وَحْدَهُ: "Waḥdahu"


2. يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا تَقْرَبُوا۟ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَأَنتُمْ سُكَـٰرَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَعْلَمُوا۟ مَا تَقُولُونَ وَلَا جُنُبًا إِلَّا عَابِرِى سَبِيلٍ حَتَّىٰ تَغْتَسِلُوا۟ ۚ وَإِن كُنتُم مَّرْضَىٰٓ أَوْ عَلَىٰ سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَآءَ أَحَدٌۭ مِّنكُم مِّنَ ٱلْغَآئِطِ أَوْ لَـٰمَسْتُمُ ٱلنِّسَآءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا۟ مَآءًۭ فَتَيَمَّمُوا۟ صَعِيدًۭا طَيِّبًۭا فَٱمْسَحُوا۟ بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُمْ ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَفُوًّا غَفُورًا

Quran 4:43
"O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through [a place of prayer], until you have washed [your whole body]. And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving."

I asked you to find Ahad but you present "أحدٌ" (ahadun) and it means ONE OF


Do you want me to help you out with verses?

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:163)
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:165)
Surah Al-An'am (6:19)
Surah Al-An'am (6:22)
Surah Al-An'am (6:102)
Surah Al-An'am (6:106)
Surah Al-An'am (6:109)
Surah Al-An'am (6:113)
Surah Al-An'am (6:115)
Surah Al-An'am (6:136)
Surah Al-An'am (6:158)
Surah Al-An'am (6:164)
Surah Al-An'am (6:164)
Surah Al-An'am (6:168)
Surah Al-An'am (6:171)
Surah Al-An'am (6:171)
Surah Al-An'am (6:171)
Surah Al-An'am (6:171)
Surah Al-An'am (6:171)
Surah Al-An'am (6:171)
Surah Al-Ikhlas (112:1)
Surah Al-Ikhlas (112:2)


Again:
I asked you two questions
1. How many times did the word Ahad exist in the Quran
2. I asked you to give me FIVE verses with the word AHAD in the Quran

As expected you can only show ignorance and sadly too proudly. Do you know any difference between Ahad and Wahid? Do they both relate to one? Well look at your verses and know indeed your gross stupidity.

I should stop engaging with you as we will be grouped together and wrongly. Does Quran 2:163 contain Ahad or Wahid?

Show me Mr Olodo expert. Mugu! Odenson!

I intentionally gave you those two Arabic phrases and true to self you delivered.

Come back after your Arabic improves


O my two companions of the prison! (The interpretation of the dream of) one of you (is that he) will serve wine to his master (the king), and as for the other, (who has seen bread on his head,) he will be crucified and then birds will pick at his head. The (final) judgment has been given about which you have asked.’
يٰصَاحِبَىِ السِّجۡنِ اَمَّاۤ اَحَدُكُمَا فَيَسۡقِىۡ رَبَّهٗ خَمۡرًا‌ۚ وَاَمَّا الۡاٰخَرُ فَيُصۡلَبُ فَتَاۡكُلُ الطَّيۡرُ مِنۡ رَّاۡسِهٖ‌ؕ قُضِىَ الۡاَمۡرُ الَّذِىۡ فِيۡهِ تَسۡتَفۡتِيٰنِؕ‏
(12:41)

اَحَدُكُمَا one of you

واحد من one of

احد one


An-Nisa' 4:43

يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا تَقْرَبُوا۟ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَأَنتُمْ سُكَٰرَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَعْلَمُوا۟ مَا تَقُولُونَ وَلَا جُنُبًا إِلَّا عَابِرِى سَبِيلٍ حَتَّىٰ تَغْتَسِلُوا۟ۚ وَإِن كُنتُم مَّرْضَىٰٓ أَوْ عَلَىٰ سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَآءَ أَحَدٌ مِّنكُم مِّنَ ٱلْغَآئِطِ أَوْ لَٰمَسْتُمُ ٱلنِّسَآءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا۟ مَآءً فَتَيَمَّمُوا۟ صَعِيدًا طَيِّبًا فَٱمْسَحُوا۟ بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُمْۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَفُوًّا غَفُورًا

O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janābah, except those passing through [a place of prayer], until you have washed [your whole body]. And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women [i.e., had sexual intercourse] and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and your hands [with it]. Indeed, Allāh is ever Pardoning and Forgiving.
يٰۤاَيُّهَا الَّذِيۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا لَا تَقۡرَبُوا الصَّلٰوةَ وَاَنۡـتُمۡ سُكَارٰى حَتّٰى تَعۡلَمُوۡا مَا تَقُوۡلُوۡنَ وَلَا جُنُبًا اِلَّا عَابِرِىۡ سَبِيۡلٍ حَتّٰى تَغۡتَسِلُوۡا‌ؕ وَاِنۡ كُنۡتُمۡ مَّرۡضَىٰۤ اَوۡ عَلٰى سَفَرٍ اَوۡ جَآءَاَحَدٌمِّنۡكُمۡ مِّنَ الۡغَآٮِٕطِ اَوۡ لٰمَسۡتُمُ النِّسَآءَ فَلَمۡ تَجِدُوۡا مَآءً فَتَيَمَّمُوۡا صَعِيۡدًا طَيِّبًا فَامۡسَحُوۡا بِوُجُوۡهِكُمۡ وَاَيۡدِيۡكُمۡ‌ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰهَ كَانَ عَفُوًّا غَفُوۡرًا‏
(4:43)

TenQ:
You got it wrong sir.
What is Wave-Particle duality of matter is what I asked for!

I did not ask you for Trinity or any spiritual things: I ask you of natural physical things.

I am not joining you in any meaningless adventures. In line with the current discussion my answer is tied.

SIRTee15:
Why would Jesus say that?

Doesn't you Jesus not support the trinity?

SIRTee15:
U guys will lie to cover up the deficiency in your theology. None of your literature referred to shin as a phrase in Arabic culture.
Not the Koran, not the tafsir and not the hadiths.
But we should accept the confabulation from someone who could barely construct a simple sentence in Arabic.

Who are the immediate audience of Muhammad pbuh?

We have revealed it as a Recitation in Arabic that you may fully understand

SIRTee15:
I will show U trinity in the bible if U show me the word Tawhid in the Koran
But if U looking for the extrapolation of the term trinity.

Let's start with baptism of Jesus Christ.
Then read Matthew 28. 19

Don't overeach but show any where that Jesus says he, the holy spirit and God are one entity.

TenQ:
Speaking about sense: what is the wave-particle duality of matter if your sense can comprehend it!

Any suggestion that just as electrons and positrons can form a unified quantum system despite being distinct entities, the three persons of the Trinity are also distinct yet inseparable is flawed because it oversimplifies complex theological concepts and misrepresents scientific principles.

Your attempt to reconcile complex scientific theories with intricate religious doctrines through superficial similarities overlooks the inherent differences between these two realms of knowledge.

Goodlady:
You are here spewing gibberish!
Nuke on ya head!
Maybe you should be calm and see a topic on how ya religion became Ariara Market. Ndi ara!

Can you make better sense?
Showing there's a lie with a trinitarian's claim to practicing monotheism should just be abrogated and taken off the earth?

Is it not a logical fallacy that 3 is 1 or os it the other way round?

Aemmyjah:
It was seen as authentic until our era of skepticism


Answer my question

Someone wrote an account of someone during that generation
Someone wrote about the same person about 500 years later

Which one will a sane person accept?

Let's not suppose ok. Who exactly is proven to have written? I just told you how for the sake of getting credence an article is falsely attributed to who didn't write it

TenQ:
Too bad: Islam is like a house built on sawdust.
It cannot stand grizzling with simple doctrinal questions!

If you forget anything, don't forget this:
Iblis has deceived you with the same strategy he used to deceive Adam and Eve. Find the Truth, Adopt it and Live it. Islam is standing on the foundation of lies exactly as Iblis lied to Adam and Eve this is why you cant follow Allah, Neither can you follow Mohammed BUT you follow the consensus of your scholars and these are your fellow liars who keep you in the darkness!

But:
If you block your ears and eyes till next year, it's your cup of tea as I would not be guilty of not showing you the way of salvation.

What other deception is clearer than call 3 things 1?

Senses gone down to the darkest dirtiest sewers

TenQ:
Too bad: Islam is like a house built on sawdust.
It cannot stand grizzling with simple doctrinal questions!

If you forget anything, don't forget this:
Iblis has deceived you with the same strategy he used to deceive Adam and Eve. Find the Truth, Adopt it and Live it. Islam is standing on the foundation of lies exactly as Iblis lied to Adam and Eve this is why you cant follow Allah, Neither can you follow Mohammed BUT you follow the consensus of your scholars and these are your fellow liars who keep you in the darkness!

But:
If you block your ears and eyes till next year, it's your cup of tea as I would not be guilty of not showing you the way of salvation.

There's no point talking to the deaf. He or she will never hear.

There's no point waving at the blind. He or she will never see.

You are the expert at Arabic yes?يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا تَقْرَبُوا۟ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَأَنتُمْ سُكَـٰرَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَعْلَمُوا۟ مَا تَقُولُونَ وَلَا جُنُبًا إِلَّا عَابِرِى سَبِيلٍ حَتَّىٰ تَغْتَسِلُوا۟ ۚ وَإِن كُنتُم مَّرْضَىٰٓ أَوْ عَلَىٰ سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَآءَ أَحَدٌۭ مِّنكُم مِّنَ ٱلْغَآئِطِ أَوْ لَـٰمَسْتُمُ ٱلنِّسَآءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا۟ مَآءًۭ فَتَيَمَّمُوا۟ صَعِيدًۭا طَيِّبًۭا فَٱمْسَحُوا۟ بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُمْ ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَفُوًّا غَفُورًا

Identity Ahad here and show it means one of

And here too:
قَالُوٓا۟ أَجِئْتَنَا لِنَعْبُدَ ٱللَّهَ وَحْدَهُۥ وَنَذَرَ مَا كَانَ يَعْبُدُ ءَابَآؤُنَا ۖ فَأْتِنَا بِمَا تَعِدُنَآ إِن كُنتَ مِنَ ٱلصَّـٰدِقِينَ

TenQ:
How many times then did the word AHAD appear in the Quran so that we can check the consistency of your definitions?
Quran 112:1
قُلْ هُوَ ٱللَّهُ أَحَدٌ

Is it TRUE that Allah is NOT a Spirit: thus Allah is physical with 2 right hands and eyes and shin.
Is it TRUE that Allah cannot be on his throne and on the earth at the same time: he has to descend to do that
Is it TRUE that Allah is visible to the Muslims on the day of resurrection?
Is it TRUE that Allah is carriable by eight limited Angels
Is it TRUE that Allah changes shape from one form to the second form when relating to you Muslims on the day of judgement?


Allah is simply a low budget imitation of the God of Israel !

All that helps you feel good is good for you I hope and if not it's your bother.

TenQ:
You are coming closer to the TRUTH small small.
So, you now admit that Ahad convey the concept of UNITY?

If Allah is ONE, tell me how he is UNITED?
What is Allah uniting with!?



See the highlighted in YELLOW
It seems you are saying that Ahad in Arabic is ONENESS and as a distinction from the Jewish EHAD which also connote UNITY!

I thus challenge you to find me just 5 verses of the Quran where AHAD is used for ONENESS out of over 100 times Ahad is used in the Quran. Why is the meaning the same except in just one place in the whole Quran.

Oya:
Give me just five (not just one) Quran verse where AHAD is used to mean ONE or ONENESS?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

This your break dance into the rabbit hole is ridiculous.

Don't be silly in answering a question with a question? I have written for you the meaning of the word Ahad and you know very well how Arabic words meaning are tied to the usages with other words.

Allah is one and refers to himself as Al-Ahad in one place in the Quran.

Your diversionary questions are to hide the fact that as a Christmas who believes in the triune god of the trinity you are a polutheist and furthest away from monotheism.

TenQ:
No problem: but after you explain how
1. Allah never mentioned the word Taoheed
2. Allah never mentioned the word Taoheed

What is the name of the Islamic council that fabricated Taoheed and what year was it after Hijra?



False.
Among other things the council of Nicea met upon was a NEW doctrine of a Bishop called Arian who was spreading heresy of the Biblical position of God.

What is Taoheed? When you answer that you will see the irrelevance of your question.

Have you been lied to that there was such a council like a dynamic democracy where rules and regulations are changed by the whims and Caprices of the leaders?

Among other things is too ambiguous and vague list the doctrines resolved and forced into Christian faith. Believe it, act it or be ostracized for heresy.

TenQ:
You seem not to understand the gravity of your problem

Mohammed heard the Jews recite the Shema where the God of Israel is ECHAD. Mohammed put it in his Qur'an that Allah is Ahad (one of)

How many times except ONCE can you find the word Ahad described as other than :one of or one out of many

Ahad is ONE OF
Taoheed is UNIFICATION

I asked you:
Tell me, was Mohammed unifying all the gods in the Kaaba as Allah! ?

Wishful but wild thinking. You are obviously befuddled that this marvelous Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad pbuh in the Arabic language with clear records of past happenings even centuries before his birth despite being unlettered or part of the Jewish or Israeli community. Too bad for your jealousy. Get over it.

Both 'Ahad' and 'Echad' convey the concept of “one” or “unity” in their respective languages, Arabic and Hebrew.

Both terms are used in monotheistic contexts to emphasize the oneness of God. In Islam, 'ahad' is a central tenet affirming the absolute oneness of Allah, while in Judaism, 'echad' is used in passages like Deuteronomy 6:4 to declare the unity of God. Why does Christianity copy Judaism but disagree with it?

The roots of these words differ linguistically. While Echad in Hebrew is derived from the root א־ח־ד, which signifies “one” and “unity,” Ahad in Arabic comes from the root و.ح.د (transcript: ו־ח־ד), which also conveys the idea of “one.” Fundamentally different in consonant sounds.

'Ahad' emphasizes the indivisible oneness of Allah without partners or equals while Echad in Jewish scripture asserts the unique unity of God as proclaimed in Deuteronomy 6:4.

Aemmyjah:
It's still part of the Gospels
Same Mark was there when Jesus was handed to his enemies in that night
Is his account invalid cos he was not among the 12?

Sometimes you need to use your own brain for what it was created to do

It's foolish to reject the account of contemporaries of Jesus and accept that of a man who's lived about 600 years later (inspired of wicked jinns in a cave).

Even Roman and Jewish historians confirms his historicity and works

Do you know?

The Gospel of Mark was traditionally attributed to John Mark, a companion of Saint Peter. Though it is also believed that it was written anonymously for a gentile audience, likely in Rome, shortly before or after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 AD. The early Christian tradition linking the gospel to John Mark is generally rejected by critical scholars, who suggest that the name of Mark was attached later to give the text authority.

Aemmyjah:
It's still part of the Gospels
Same Mark was there when Jesus was handed to his enemies in that night
Is his account invalid cos he was not among the 12?

Sometimes you need to use your own brain for what it was created to do

It's foolish to reject the account of contemporaries of Jesus and accept that of a man who's lived about 600 years later (inspired of wicked jinns in a cave).

Even Roman and Jewish historians confirms his historicity and works

Perhaps Mark was there when Jesus was handed over or arrested but it's a fact that
the gospels of the New Testament were written over a period of almost a century after Jesus’ death.

The first gospel, Mark, was written around the year 70 CE, about 40 years after Jesus’ death. The other gospels - Matthew, Luke, and John - were composed between 85 and 100 CE. These writings were based on oral traditions and earlier written accounts of Jesus’ life, teachings, and death.

Now requestion the diagram!

Aemmyjah:
John and Matthew wrote
Mark likely got his account from Peter
Luke too must have gotten his account from them too

Yet you want me to believe the accounts from someone who lived 500 years later
U sef reason am

Explain the diagram on the differences between the Gospels and why?

Was Mark fundamentally a copy cat?

Expanse2020:
Did you believe in that statement I bolded that Jesus was a messenger of Allah not his son but his servant

Allah continue sayíng that Isa A.S. or Isho in Aramaic was a word of Allah (Be it and it Sha be.....let there be light and there is light that what knowledge you lack about the word of Allah) and spirit (he is not the only spirit , Jubril A.S is also a spirit that Allah always sent to all his prophets to conveying the message)


To Him belongs what is in the heavens and what is in the earth. And Allah is enough to trust in. everything in the whole universe just like Sciencetist postulates there are Bellion of universe..
He is the Majesty, King of the kings

Allah said he make Adam as a prince on the earth does not mean Adam control a single part of this earth so don't twist nonsense.. if Adam control this earth he will change the cause happen between his children
So Adam A.S didn't control a bit in this Earth

NO BE ME TALK AM NA BIBLE TALK AM AND YOUR GOD SAID IT IN THE BIBLE
That satan is the god of this world.


Unlike in the bible that Satan is controlling your world instead of the Real God to do his work, Satan hijack the earth spaceship from God and Jesus combine and took total control and the bible said God vex send Jesus come to the world but didn't fulfill the work and God vex kill am back and said he will send holy spirit to do remaining work since Jesus can't do it...
But till today Satan still de rule still de shine , still de ment against holy spirit I hope Gode in the bible no go vex murdered holy spirit again too

Main question you asked and the answers is in the Quran with a lot of verses to back it up..
I will give few of it... You can read more from the Quran by getting a good copy of Quran not the one produce secretly from your sect to desturb us..
The wright and good one..

Suratul baqarat chapter 2
We shall certainly test you by afflicting you with fear, hunger, loss of properties and lives and fruits. Give glad tidings, then, to those who remain patient;

those who when any affliction smites them, they say: “Verily, we belong to Allah, and it is to Him that we are destined to return

'Saying' does not signify the mere making of a statement. It means a statement which is accompanied by a deep conviction in one's heart: 'To Allah do we belong.' This being so, a man is bound to think that whatever has been sacrificed for God has in fact attained its legitimate end, for it has been spent in the way of the One to whom all things truly belong.

'And it is to Him that we are destined to return' refers to the fact that man will not stay forever in this world and will return, sooner or later, to God. And if man is indeed destined to return to God why should he not return to Him having spent his all, having staked his life for His sake? This alternative is preferable to the pursuit of self-aggrandizement and then meeting death either by sickness or accident.

[And after the struggle and the patience what will they get in return

Upon them will be the blessings and mercy of their Lord, and it is they who are rightly guided

Help me praise Allah

ALLAH IS GREAT AND COMPASSIONATE

Bravo Expanse2020. Well delivered!

May Allah increase you in wisdom and grant you more blessings

SIRTee15:
The council of nicea was actually called to deal with the heretic doctrine of Arianism. Trinity discussion was secondary.

I believe in trinity because it's in the bible not because some bishops sat down in Turkey to establish it.

If Trinity is not in the bible, I will never believe it. The council of Nicene only confirm what's in the scriptures not the other way round.

I dont get this persecution U guys are talking about. Arianism was very much popular and was mainstream for a very long time in Christendom even after the nicene conference.
Immediately the son of Constantine become emperor of Roman empire, Constantinus reverse his father's religious stance and embrace Arianism. He made the bishops supporting arian doctrine the head of churches and expelled Trinitarians bishops to extreme of the empire.
The next emperor Julius embraced Roman paganism and declared he would not favour any side over another.
The next emperor Valen revived Constantinus policy and persecuted trinitarians in the empire.

So I don't get this talk about persecution of Arianist during Roman empire period.
U people should read more.

Please show the word trinity in the Bible and if you want to convince show where Jesus says he is one of the trinity.

Kindly note the trinity and emphasize this in your verifiable response

TenQ:
We know that no reason will prevail over your demon induced chanting, therefore, it doesn't bother us one bit. As long as Yahweh is the Father and Yahweh is the Word and Yahweh is the Holy Spirit.

All your sigma rolling doesn't change the nature of Allah as limited in all respect. A limited God cannot be the creator sir. No wonder there are so many errors in the Qur'an : such as only 6th century humans can make.


Ahad is ONE OF
Taoheed is UNIFICATION

Tell me, was Mohammed unifying all the gods in the Kaaba as Allah! ?

Can you precisely state what each of the numerous Nicea councils resorted regarding over valuation of Jesus and perhaps Mary with a wrongful equation of Jesus to God.

Audhubillahi mina shayitani rajim

Lukuluku69:
In your previous post, you claimed the Trinity was established and I ask why is a need for a Conference to discuss it?

Do you know a bit about logic and priori events?

Was the Trinity a creation forced into the true teachings of Jesus or not?

Did Jesus categorically say he is the same and equal to God?

Please show where.

TenQ:
We know that no reason will prevail over your demon induced chanting, therefore, it doesn't bother us one bit. As long as Yahweh is the Father and Yahweh is the Word and Yahweh is the Holy Spirit.

All your sigma rolling doesn't change the nature of Allah as limited in all respect. A limited God cannot be the creator sir. No wonder there are so many errors in the Qur'an : such as only 6th century humans can make.


Ahad is ONE OF
Taoheed is UNIFICATION

Tell me, was Mohammed unifying all the gods in the Kaaba as Allah! ?

With a cut and joint thousandth of a pint drop of understanding the Arabic language you come here to in your default format to say utter rubbish and terrible lies.

Yes Ahad may be translated as one of but in what context? You are and probably will never know the nuances and rules of Arabic language and grammar. You indicated months ago an interest in undertaking Quran or was it Arabic lessons? How far have you gone there if truly you were able to start?

In translating Quranic verses, it is crucial to consider the context, linguistic nuances, and cultural background to accurately convey the intended meaning. Misinterpretations or mistranslations can arise when these factors are not taken into account.

When translating “Ahad” as “one of,” it fails to capture the full depth and significance of the term. This translation overlooks the emphasis on unity and uniqueness that “Ahad” conveys in Arabic. By using “one of,” it introduces an element of plurality or divisibility that is not present in the original term.

The term “Ahad” in Arabic carries a unique meaning that goes beyond just being a numerical value. It signifies absolute oneness, indivisibility, and uniqueness. It is used to emphasize the concept of absolute unity and exclusivity.

Aemmyjah:
Considered anonymous by who?
Considered anonymous in what century?

Is it the Koran account that is credible?

While some aspects of the Gospels may reflect eyewitness accounts or oral traditions passed down from the disciples, the actual writing and compilation of the Gospels were likely done by individuals who were not part of Jesus’ inner circle.

In conclusion, the disciples did not write the Gospels, but rather they were likely penned by later authors within the early Christian community.

TenQ:
Its of little wonder than the same TenQ deflated your concocted view of Taoheed.
It is either Allah is on his throne or in the lowest heaven as Mohammed reported.

If Allah has to. come down or descend to hear your prayer, how can he be Omnipotent? Except if as usual , your prophet is fabricating lies as usual

Allah is a low budget imitation of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

When yours is a polytheism clothed in a fraud trinity, where and how did you defeat the islamic monotheism?

لا إلَهَ إلَّا اللَّهُ
La Ilaha Illallah
there is no god, deity or being which deserves to be worshipped and obeyed except Allah

Allah al-Ahad al-Wahid emphasizes the Oneness and Unity of God in Islam.

Allah al-Ahad al-Wahid emphasize the One (Al-Ahad) and the Only (Al-Wahid), emphasizing His uniqueness, indivisibility, and incomparability.

How many councils were used to establish a Trinity?

Aemmyjah:
What is a disciple?
Does it necessarily mean they must have had direct encounter with Jesus Christ?
Atleast, they were his contemporaries
Some got information from the Apostles

Is it true that the Koran mentions something about a man beating his wife cos she's stubborn?

The New Testament Gospels are considered anonymous, and while traditionally attributed to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the actual authorship of these Gospels were likely written by individuals who were not direct disciples of Jesus but rather followers or associates of those who knew him.

Expanse2020:
Mark the word shin in the Arabic text... Maybe you can understand what you are saying rather than saying wrong thing

Don't mind SIRTee15, Advocatejare, TenQ, MightySparrow,Aemmyjah and their lots diverting from the reality of the polytheism they practice in the trinity guise of Christianity.

In Arabian culture, the proverb “when the shin is made bare” signifies a situation where someone’s true intentions or character are revealed. It implies that when a person’s shin is exposed or uncovered, their true nature or motives become apparent. This proverb is often used to describe moments when hidden truths come to light or when someone’s facade is stripped away, revealing their genuine self.

Aemmyjah:
I'll rather believe the gospels written by disciples than from someone who wrote about 500 years later.
Why will I pick Koran account over the Bible's?

You are free to believe what you want. Are you absolutely sure the disciples themselves wrote these gospels?

SIRTee15:
Debunking lies in the Qur'an

I will like to expose the fraud modern day Muslims apologetics have been doing by distorting historical facts in order to prove the Qur'an is true.

There's nothing true or new about quran. It's a book that simply copied from other sources. Simple.

1. Mount Judi as the resting place of Noah's ark is not specific to Qur'an. The Syriac bible which is the bible used in the Arabian peninsula also mentioned mount Judi- also called qardu as the final resting place of the ark.
In fact Babylonia Talmud states the ark rested on mount judi unlike mount Ararat which is in the book of genesis.

2. Debunking the lies of the preserved pharoah.
When the preserved mummy of ramses 2 was discovered in the 19th century, Muslims apologetics quickly pointed to this as miracle of the Koran where it was stated the body of the drowned pharoah was preserved.

The idea that Ramses 2 was the pharoah in exodus has long been rejected by scholars because there's lack of historical and archeological facts to back this up.

Ramses 2 was one of the most successful Egyptian king and the nation prospered during his reign. His reign was well documented in ancient Egyptian record and there nothing to indicate he had any conflicts with slaves in his kingdom.

Ramses died at 90 yrs. He suffers severe arthritis and had hunchback at the time of his death. It's unlikely someone at that morbid state would have embarked on any military expenditure at his very old age.

His mummy has been thoroughly examined and cause of death has been identified as dental abscess due to a huge hole in his teeth. There's no evidence of fluid in his lungs to suggest drowning or unhealed wounds/fracture to suggest violent death.

The only people pointing to Ramses 2 as the pharoah during the time of Moses are Muslims apologetics. Both Egyptologist and modern historical scholars have rejected the idea and Christian scholars have long abandoned the idea.

The preserved mummy of any pharoah who died of drowning or violent death is yet to be discovered as at 2024.

3. The case of Haman in Egypt.
Presence of Haman in Egypt have long been a big problem for Muslims since the actual Haman in the bible lived in Persia.
In their desperation, Muslims have recently claimed a hieroglyphics inscription mentioned Haman as chief of the workers on stone-quarries . This is a lie. There's nothing of such anywhere except in Muslims apologetics websites. No Egyptologists interpreted any hieroglyphics writings as such.
There's no Haman mentioned in any ancient Egyptian writings. It was a hoax.

Attempts have been made to define Haman as the same person as priest is Amun. The problem here is that Haman in the Koran perished with the pharoah same day in the sea.
We have all the records of the priest of Amun, none of them died a violent death and none died same day as the pharoah.
In fact, the priest of Amun during Ramses 2 outlived the the king and continues to serve his successor.

No matte the lies Muslims apologetics push, we know the Haman should never have been in Egypt acting as nemesis to Israelites. It' s all too convenient that Haman in the Qur'an acted the same plot story as in the bible the exception being change in time and location.

Exactly as the messenger of Allah says he was nothing new or bringing anything new. All prophets of God stood on the fact that there is only one God.

Those that hijacked the teachings of Jesus created a lot that didn't say in guise of him saying so.

Did Jesus bring something new or preach against the Torah, Scrolls of Isaiah, Psalms of Davod or songs of Solomon?

SIRTee15:
Gosh don't U get it. Even Qasim got it.

I'm not interested in why Jews killed Jesus. My bible has the answer.

I'm interested in why the Jews would want to crucify their Messiah.
That's why I'm asking if Qur'an actually understand who Messiah meant to the Jews!!!

Simply said did all jews accept Jesus as their messiah? Do all of them accept him now? Therein is the danger of generalisation.

Lawag3:
Who says only John Gospel talks about the divinity of Jesus? All the synoptic gospels talk about it. John emphasize and made it clear but all Gospel confirms Jesus divinity.

What do you mean by metaphorical unity?

When Jesus said greater is he who sent me he was a man. God is greater than a man

Metaphoric unity refers to the use of metaphorical elements to create a sense of interconnectedness and thematic consistency. It involves the integration of various metaphors, symbols, and figurative language to convey meanings and unify the narrative or themes within what is discussed.

Is it not strange that an almighty God needs to become man to redeem his creation? Then this man later transforms back to God? Please where indeed is the might of such almighty God?

Aemmyjah:
😂
If you want to receive news about something that happened when Medo Persia was still world power

Will you rather accept reports that was closer to that time or reports from recent updates?


Choosing to accept the Koran cis it is more recent is not logical

If the Brotherhood church or Mormon talk about the Flood in their book and there's something contradictory. It means theirs is more accurate simply because it's more recent to our time?

Clearly in this case it is clear the older scripture got corrupted over time. This is why prophets were sent from time to time to remind and renew the truth.

Fortunately the Quran is being preserved by Allah not that attempts aren't made to corrupt or change it's content. A brother from Syria who I met in UK expressly says since the satans fail to corrupt the Quran they turn to hadith which is often used to explain the Quran and along with it.

This is indeed why one needs caution and wisdom in understanding the hadith. Many write ups have been done that prove the authenticity of the Quran. You may say the same about thr bible but it's limitations are clear with the numerous authors of its components and continuous review/rewrite.

The concept of the Trinity, which posits three persons in one Godhead, diverges significantly from the strict monotheism upheld in Judaism. In Judaism, the belief in the absolute singularity of God is paramount, with an unwavering adherence to the idea that there is only one God, the Father. This monotheistic view was deeply ingrained in Jewish theology and scriptures, emphasizing the oneness and uniqueness of God.

Contrary to this foundational monotheism in Judaism, Trinitarian Christianity introduced a complex understanding of Deity that deviated from the traditional Jewish perspective. Trinitarianism asserts that three distinct persons - the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit - are united in one Godhead. This departure from strict monotheism to a multi-person monotheistic belief system was a significant theological shift that emerged after biblical times.

The development of Trinitarian theology postdates the writings of the Bible and gained prominence in Christian thought during the second to fifth centuries CE. Gentile Christians during this period reinterpreted biblical teachings through a lens that incorporated multiple persons as one God, culminating in the formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity. This departure from Jewish monotheism was met with skepticism and rejection by Orthodox Judaism, which remained steadfast in its adherence to a singular view of God.

While early Christians, including Jesus and his apostles, were devout adherents to strict monotheism rooted in Jewish tradition, later Christian theologians and scholars grappled with reconciling this monotheistic foundation with evolving theological concepts such as Trinitarianism. The emergence of Trinitarian doctrine marked a significant departure from the original Jewish understanding of God’s singularity.

In conclusion, Trinitarian Christianity’s embrace of a triune Godhead represents a departure from the strict monotheistic beliefs upheld in Judaism, where the oneness and indivisibility of God are fundamental tenets.

J. Dan Gill - “The Trinity – A Christian Dilemma”

Isaiah 64:8:But now, O LORD, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; all of us are the work of your hand

Original monotheism has been stretched” from the essential truth that there is only one individual who is God, to the peculiar concept that multiple persons are one God.

This is an obviously clear display of a lack of logic. The prima facie lack of logic in this theory seems to elude them.Is such a “monotheism” really monotheism at all? It is difficult to see any practical difference between worshiping multiple gods and worshiping multiple persons or personalities who are called one God.

Were these group of Trinitarian drivers influenced by prevailing cultures as is seen from Hinduism?

Oh you must be especially endowed with the holy spirit to understand this.

What is this? A magic trick or confident bunkum?