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Yes. God does exist! Is there any way to explain that He does not exist, considering all that you can see, with your naked eyes? I am not going to burden you with what you can't see with your naked eyes.

Interestingly, what do you think the reasons of the prophets/messengers and the books of revelations in purity given to them for their people's guidance, before another prophet was sent to succeed him?

@Gamine: « #12 on: Today at 02:40:43 PM »

Its nice to know people have good heads out there

but Olabowale, if you are insinuating Being Islam

makes good, you are off point

Considering that I stated the below, in my earlier presentation, it is hard to say that I said good deeds are restricted to Muslims or even people of "Faiths," alone. Faithless people do good deeds, too.

Kindness is an inert good quality in man. Some repress this quality, while others allow it to be what they display of their possible actions.

I don't know anything about hotels. I hate riding subways, too.

@JeSoul: I will have the hotel phone number posted as soon as I get it. I know him well, so I am not just saying things am not familiar with. It is Plaza Hotel in New York City. He will tell me the exact one when he call by, so that you can verify it yourself! Nice but true story and it can be independently verified.


@Senator JD: The settlement is not the issue here. It is the return of the lost property! Please learn from this event!

@Petres_007: I went to your suggest website, reading through, I will make the following observations:
The Bible defender against the contradiction did poor job, since he/they are asserting that God and satan were competing in many instances of the contradictions.

He claims that God wanted to humiliate His Prophetic King David, whom He honored with Psalm. Yet at the same time Satan was agitating David to do the same exact thing! Is this not a contradiction when we know that when there is the presence of God in a thing, it will not be possible for Satan to be able to stand.

Is it not true that Satan works with evil intent on the people who at the time the succumb to his suggestions/efforts, they the Victims have no God consciousness in their hearts and this is always the reason for falling for the tricks of Satan?


I do not know about your Christian God, the Muslim God, Allah is absolute and Satan can not be present when He Allah is a Dominant in any situation. Finally, to use Qur'an to argue for the authenticity of the Bible, be it OT or NT, and our case, I will take the NT, is a frutile effort. Qur'an when it talks about the OT, Psalm, or NT as revelation from Allah, it simply means when it was revealed to the prophet that received it.

When that prophet was on earth, in charge of its deliverance of the messages to the people, and safeguarding the Book, in the case of Jesus (AS) the New Testament/GoodNews, from being tampered with by anyone!


However when Jesus was lifted up to heavens y the Might of his Creator, Lord God who is One Lord, Jesus was no more around to deliver the message, in its pure state, since his mission was complete and was not around to safeguard the the NT in its uncorrupted form. Is is not true that Jesus overturned the table of the money changers?

Why do you know? It is because they were doing dishonest business by charging interest. Do you have in the Bible of today the abormination of charging interest? And do the Christian not charge interest? Are they now the leaders of mankind who are forcing almost everyone to the consumption of interests?


Didnt Jesus say that he did not come to abolish the prophets and the laws? Now tell me, where in the NT do you have the consequential punishment of fornications and or the worst kind, adultery? The Qur'an declares also that the after Jesus Bible (containing OT, Psalm and NT) is corrupted. It simply means it is not 100% pure as when it was given to the prophets!

No one ever says that there is no single verse that is true in the whole of the Bible, even though you can bring out a single Bible that you can say it is the exact wording in the exact language that the Prophets received their different revelations that consist of the Bible! LETS BE AT LEAST BE HONEST, IF WE ARE NOT WISE!

@Poster and Gamine and all; Here is humdinger of a story of an event from the heart of Manhattan, this year:

A Moroccan Hotel house Keeper in Lower Manhattan, was requseted to recheck an already cleaned Suite, before a New Guest was given the Key to it. It was earlier in the day prepared by another Hotel Cleaner, after the last Guest checked out.

As Mustapha Sakine, came in and inspected the suite, well satisfied that there was absolutely no reason to do any improvent, he for whatever reason looked back at the tub, in the Bathroom. To his surprise was a Diamond ring, with a huge ROCK! He went to the manager or the person who is the responsible person for anything found in the rooms that must have belonged to the guests. He presented the Ring, in the front of many witnesses, with the information of the room.

That afternoon, the last hotel guest called back to inform the hotel that she was missing an important item and thought that she might have lost in within the hotel visity. She was not certain that it was in her suite however. She was pleasantly surprised to be informed that one of the house cleaning crew had found it and it would be waiting for her, whenever she comes for it.

This guest was a wealthy woman from Europe, already returning back to her home. Within a week, however, she returned back to New York to pick the diamond ring. As she came in to to the hotel, she insisted to see the person who found this ring and thought it worthy to return it to the owner? Mustapha Sakine was called in from whatever he was doing to meet this woman. The woman thanked him and asked if he knew the value and why was he so honest, and did not pocket it for himself?

Mustapha Sakine responded that even though the hotel employees felt that if they, individually had been the one who found this "loot," none, especially would have returned it! Mustapha told the woman as he had told everyone who thought him as the fool who returned a "Jackport, that the cost of the ring was nothing and God Almighty Allah could give him manifolds of the same thing in hard cold cash! The ring only worth 3 M USD, but God Almighty knows everything and he, Mustapha Sakine, depends solely on Him for his sustances. He told the woman as he had told everyone in the hotel that his Islam does not permit him to steal and he considered keeping it, as illegal and stealing.

He only seek that God Almighty Allah is pleased with him. The woman was grateful and she is now more confident that there are good people on this earth. And by the way, because of this good nature of Mustapha, there are people at his job, housekeepers and others, even in the management that are now investigating Islam. There are countless similar deeds by New York City Cab Drivers.

Mustapha Sakine lives in Jersey City, New Jersey and can be found as a worshipper in Masjid Tawhid off Kennedy Boulevard, and, Masjid Salaam on Kennedy Boulevard. Kindness is an inert good quality in man. Some repress this quality, while others allow it to be what they display of their possible actions.

@JJYOU: « #49 on: Today at 02:04:46 AM »
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i know Jesus loves you. i know there is room for you in His heart. i know you have tried to replace a loving relationship with Him with religion. what else is there to know? that you need Jesus more than you know.

you know i wont argue with you because i don't go there. i know you need Jesus quick and fast and my prayer is that you and your like will be flooded with the light of Christ that your eyes and mind will see and understand His love and mercies in Jesus name

God bless
[quote][/quote]Jesus needed God. I will go to the same God that Jesus needed, all the time and especially suring his needy times. I will not have to ask Jesus to help me to that God, since I can help myself. He, Jesus was a handwork of that same God. Just like I am a handwork of that God.

I did not live in the time of Jesus (AS). I am living now, in the time of Muhammad (AS). If it is permissable for anyone to be the human entity to represent me before God or carry my petition to God, it would have been Muhammad. But is not permissable and it is forbidden. To erect a middle entity between God and ordinary humans, in seeking Salvation, Mercy, Forgiveness, Answering of Prayers, etc from God, is therefore nothing less than Idolatry.

I as a muslim, idolworshipping is forbidden for me. I therefore, go that my Lord, my Creator, my Cherisher and Sustainer, without Jesus nor Muhammad nor any thing or entity between me and Him, the God Who is All Wise, Knower of all things, capable of granting the biggest request and who is aware of "the time of the HOUR."

Is there any reason to want less?! Is there any equal to Him? Is there a greater Lord than Him? Is there any besides Him?

@Pilgrim.1:

You can antagonize as much as you want - but what is that doing to you personally? Why are you so restless to prove the very thing I stated about the Muslim behaviour towards Christ? Isn't it ironic that the more you shout about the religion of peace, the more your attitude is proving the direct opposite? I had a challenge from a Muslim who almost got me to go to the Muslim section and debate him. He is still waiting - because I made clear to him that nothing attracts me there. He wasn't amused about that reply; but his vitriol only made me sorry for him and hold him in my prayers.

And you haven't read the story of the women in my life; my mum and my wife, both who used to be christians. My mother is old and my wife is still in early 30s. nd i am restful. And I am not shouting. I think you are talking about another man, and not me.

Finally, I do enjoy good conversations. You call them antagonizing because we speak the truth about Jesus. Thats a mislabelling.

And I got my charm from Muhammad (AS)! Alhamdulillah.

@Pilgrim.1:

I wish the same for you, because you really have no clue what you're doing. It's a sad world for people who force themselves the way you do; but I was once like you and even worse - and if Jesus Christ could change me, you're not a hard job for Him.

Jesus loves you - Jesus is Lord. Enjoy.

How could you be once like me? While you were a teenager in the early days of 911, I on the other hand, have produced two teenage boys! And all the while, have remained a muslim all my life. I picked up Qur'an in Arabic after my stay in Las Vegas. I now can read and understand what I read.

My lawyer, in Las Vegas is a circuit Judge now. He is Jewish. Larry is his first name did not pick up Torah, until he was my corporate inhouse lawyer. And God willing when I have him as a guest in New York soon, I will discuss islam with him! And the reason i did not do it when I lived in Vegas, over a decade ago, in the 90s was that I did not know Islam, myself. I think that was the case with you, in your your brief period in Islam.

But of course God Almighty knows the future, the "the time of the HOUR." Please tell me did Jesus of the bible knew the future and the time of the HOUR? lol. Mabinu simi Olori Yorubaland.

Its interesting that a woman of intelligence was able to make such an observaton, that i am trying "tto" hard to be noticed. You are right. Its the midlife crisis; not. I quite young and it will not be until a couple of decades before it sets in. But you are not even trying to answer my questions. Are you skipping a step or so? I don't know o, Pilgrim!

Jesus is Lord.

Far from the truth when he has a Creator who does not die!

@Pilgrim.1: « #497 on: September 29, 2008, 02:43 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on September 29, 2008, 02:30 PM
Just my casual observation, as a layman and a beginning student of religion:

As I read the summation of that verse, Matt 23 Verse, as it is presented above, I will take it that Jesus was the speaker. But his instruction was that "NO MAN," (any male) on earth, should be called "FATHER." If we have to follow it, what was Joseph the Capenter to him? What do we humans, sons and daughters of our mothers call the men who sired us? Are they not our fathers? Are we, all of us, Christians and nonchristians and oh yes, Jesus himself guilty of this direct injusction from the lips of "Master" Jesus? This is an impossible commandment to obey, if you are a daughter or a son of a man still on earth! Fortunately, my father had long passed. May Allah the Almight make him one of the people of Jannah! Amin. So to all the believing males and females (fathers and mothers), who had passed on as Muslims. Amin.



The word "even" throws a dart that stuck on that sentence. It is not clear, what the meaning is clearly. As I read it, it is leading me to believe that but arent you (many from among the people) called Rabbi? And then begin to say that there is a single Master. Even Christ and you (the people) are brethren (brethren as same people; homogenous in culture and language). You will see with better clarity as you read the verse that speaks about God, just below.



Here, you will see that the language of instruction is very clear. Forget for a moment of father, that I disagree with. It is very clear, however there could not be a dart thrown on this verse, as the other one above that starts out with a muddled effect as one read it. There is no "Even" as a word here. It very clear as a bell, who is been identified as being in heaven. Unfortunately the title of father is wrong and it is impossible to make it unique here, for all the males who boy a child qualifies as a father!



My point on verse is better illustrated when the above is examined. If the word masters were used before Jesus spoke this verse 10, we must be in agreement that there is nothing unique about that title, even as it is further written with upper case M! But the word even but out the smoke that somebody may mistake for a raging inferno.

If a person were to read in a newsprint or some other nonreligious piece, which will invoke a far less emotion, one will not for a moment say the quanity that follows the word "EVEN," is thought of as the single entity that is been made to absorb the quality that is being spoken of, in a loving way, before the word "Even," was written.

We must all have heard at least a person say the word, "EVEN," in a sentence to emphasis that the entity that follows the word even, is not excluded, but rather incorprated into the entity previously spoken about in the action that was prevailing before even, as a word was written.

Let me use the word even in a sentence to show that no one of the entities will have a higher previlege that the others, even though they occur before or after the word even; The wind that was blowing as the rain heavily poured on us, made everyone in the car felt will be blown off the road; even the driver! This simple means that everyone in the car had the same single opinion.



Shouldn't the semitic materials be the better sources of information, on New Testament verses, rather than labor terrible to use Greek? Not same lange and not same land. Jesus was no greek and his land was not being ruled by the Greece. What came to him and how he preached, neither was in greek language. If Jesus were to be alive,right now, whta would he do if he knows that Semitic language is abandoned for Greek, when people speak about his ministry, his works?

It is interesting that I see that master and Master are exactly the same in Greek. Do we truly know what the Hedonic or Helennic people have done to please their raw emotion to that they could fit Jesus mission to their own culture of man made gods they used to worship?


@Olabowale,

Good afternoon. I have repeatedly said that I have respected you Muslims thus far and never been interested to type anything in your Muslim section. If that cannot go down well with you, no worries. If someone from the Christian section was to go over to the muslim section to question who allah was, the thread would either disappear, the poster would be banned pronto, or the post itself would be deleted. All these issues are clearly confirming the obvious - and that is why I have bid farewell to a religion that is not satisfied with itself until it has demonstrated its restlessness towards other people.

I make two observarions in your entry above:
1). When you were a muslim, was "Allah," an idol to you and would you say that you were an idolator, at that time? And please explain yourself.

Now that you are a Christian, a you now clear of idolatry? Please explain yourself. Aburo, I am not in control of nairaland. If it was left to me, I will leave everything to the participants/discussants to hatch it out. The only request I would have made is that they should supply their sources of information, otherwise they will deemed as liars, playing on peoples emotion with deceitful and uncouth tactics.

When I left Islam, I knew what it meant for someone to know that Jesus is Lord. I still confess Him as Lord, regardless whatever anyone on planet earth would say against Him. I still know that Moses and all the other peophets who knew God as FATHER were not lying. I still enjoy the ministry of the Holy Spirit in my daily living.

Aburo, I will like you to tell us what it means to know that Jesus is lord? That shouldn't be too difficult. You have strength and I admire stong women. So don't disappoint me, in your presentation.

What has pilgrim.1 done to muslims that they would not let me be?!?

What has pilgrim.1 done to Muslims that they would not let me be?!?

What has pilgrim.1 done to muslims that they would not let me be?!?

If you must force yourself to keep denying what the prophets have taught, what is my worry? I left Islam, it did me no good at all - and your attitude is confirming it on a daily basis. . . yet I'm not coming back.

Is merely talking to you, in my meekly way that harsh? Sorry to hear it. I have discussed with many who have felt the need to reexamined their core belief and try to find a better connection to God, the Creator. If you do good is for your own benefit.

I would rather remain a Christian who has known the love of God the Father than to return to a restless religion that will not let others be. As others have observed, you're only fighting a lost battle! Enjoy.

Pilgrim.1, there is no losing battle in my life. Where i lost, God will give me a great victory without even preparing for the battle. We are brothers and sisters from our common ancestors, Adam (AS) and his wife Hawa. Is there a love lost her? Common, cheer up. Wa shi bami soro. Boko rokun, korosa, apada bo seti ebute.

Jesus is Lord.

@Plus_Queen: Take am easy o. Woman you be huge palava o. lol.

@Plus_Queen: « #26 on: Today at 08:46:01 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 08:31:28 PM
@Plus_Queen: « on: Today at 06:51:42 PM » (My inlaw, at least you didn't call yourself PlussizeQueen)! lol.
When come when Huxley asked you very important question about it you duck and walk away but say "Sharap!"? Ewoo.

@Davidylan*:
From whose lips did the two quoted above from Plus_Queen came from, considering the consequences? Chei! lol.



Prov 17 vs 4
An evildoer listens to wicked lips;
A liar pays attention to a destructive tongue

The Evildoer is the one whose lips lies against God and His Messenger roll from!
The liar is the whose tongue will definitely leads him/her astray and ending up in the fire of Hell.


As your inlaw, I dont want you to be either. But if you have ears you will hear my calling to you!

@Plus_Queen: Please substitute Sin for Debt! You see that it build up a greater message.

You are on the roll baby. If acada didn't mask your real persona, you would have been a real riot; part sowanbe, part abete woman in Oju olomo oto! and still other parts. I am sure you can divide into more than "2" parts. At least "3" considering the presidence! lol.

@Plus_Queen: « on: Today at 06:51:42 PM » (My inlaw, at least you didn't call yourself PlussizeQueen)! lol.

Do you know the book of proverbs in the Bible has so many wise sayings that applies to everyday life.
You may actually save yourself heartaches by heeding those words.
I just love the scriptures.
Do you know the Bible talks of being a surety for other people's loans and warns against such.

"Only a man with no sense would promise to be responsible for someone else's debts" (Proverbs 19:18)


"Don't promise to be responsible for someone else's debts. If you should be unable to pay, they will take away even your bed" (Proverbs 22:26)
Great words of wisdom.

Please share yours

When come when Huxley asked you very important question about it you duck and walk away but say "Sharap!"? Ewoo.

@Davidylan*:

Quote from: huxley on Today at 06:58:00 PM
Pardon me, but is this not exactly what the claim Jesus did, promised to be responsible for our debts(sins)? Or did Jesus never read Proverbs?


Proverbs 10:23 It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.

Proverbs 10:13 Wise words come from the lips of people with understanding,but those lacking sense will be beaten with a rod.

From whose lips did the two quoted above from Plus_Queen came from, considering the consequences? Chei! lol.

@Davidylan*: « #244 on: Yesterday at 04:16:43 PM »

na wa o. There are more muslims here than the islam section. What draws these people to threads about Jesus Christ so?

You see, Dawuda (lol), if you are writing about Paul and his letters, we would not even bother more than a casual reading of your piece. However, when you guys, the Christians lie with great inpunitiny against Jesus son of Mary, the least we can do is to write about it. And this is the "least" of effort here. If we are in a religious country, we would have raised enough capital and mount a legal proceeding against you for libel against a prophet of Allah!



@pilgrim.1 (f): « #245 on: Yesterday at 04:23:10 PM »

@davidylan*,


Quote from: davidylan* on Yesterday at 04:16:43 PM
na wa o. There are more muslims here than the islam section. What draws these people to threads about Jesus Christ so?

I often appreciate your balance and focus. You've just captured what someone told me while on YIM:

"They are drawn to Jesus. . .
so it's not about you, pilgrim.1.
If it was about you, nobody would have been interested long ago. .
there's power in that Name!"

I woo, pilgrim. You know you could do better. Have you noticed that Jesus son of Mary was not a Christian. Further was not not the founder of Christianity! Stop it. Jesus son of Mary (AS), was a prophet of Allah! His mission was not about a new religion and Moses did not have a new religion from the religion of Ibrahim!

Now read the Qur'an: Here are your assignments and you deserve it; I will start with a single verse from Surah Baqarah and we can progress from there. There is no argument here. At least you will see that Judaism was not a religion of any of the prophets. It it were there would not any reason for Jesus or earlier prophets, like Zakariah and his son Yahya to come to warn or correct the children of Israel. And a proof of this very statement, is that Islam is the religion that God prescribes to mankind!

And when it is perfected and completed on Muhammad (AS), the Lord of all things, Allah the Almighty declares in Surah Ahzab that Muhammad was the last of the Prophets and the Seal of Messengership! There been any other "Prophet," from God the Almighty Allah after Muhammad (AS), to declare so boldly that he is a messenger to all? And check any tafsir that you want, since i know that you are smart and very resourceful. I recommend tafsir ibn kathir, if you want my recommendation;

Surah Baqarah; Verse 136, Allah declares that Jesus and the other prophets are all Muslims! He the Almighty started with a prophet whose time was before the word "Jew," or "Judaism," Ibrahim and go through the list of prophets and ended it all all with Jesus, who every one of you will agree that he did not Judaism, since you "formulated," a religion by borrowing his name for it! Let me know your findings, because i will take you on a journey of a lifetime, through surah Imran, Nisaa, Maida, and many others with a merciful ending at Surah Saff where Jesus declared his two missions to his people; the nations of the children of Israel!

@Reindeer: « #55 on: Yesterday at 11:20:35 PM »

people,

its old story, i have since dropped all arguments, but if you want, check response no28 from babs.

i admit we all make mistakes, so lets allow bygones be just that.

May the God of peace dwell with you continually.
jesus is lord.

Then you will have no problem telling us if the Christian god, the father, ever at any time worshipped your stated godship and lordship, "Jesus is lord". Please dont be shy, I beg you. You should be able to answer yes or no, without any problem.

Further, you should be able to give us why from the bible your "Jesus is lord," entity was unable to know the "time of the hour," when asked by ordinary folks, who thought he could enlightened them. Again dont be shy. Am all eyes, ready to read every word!

Finally, how come your "Jesus is lord," was begging another to help him from certain difficulty,in the prayers that ordinary folkssaw him make in the garden of Gashemane. Please try to impress me. I am easily carried away with good information. I hope yours will be the truth in this case.

@JJYou

lol. Only if you knew.

@Idupaul: « #70 on: Today at 09:48:51 AM »

Found out that i have malaria, prolly tha cause of the dream, started treatment already, cheers

Its ironic that a Christian, really a hardcore Catholic, dreamt and acrue his reason for dreaming a strange dream to Malaria. What if what he saw in his dream was a church? Would he be giving us a lame excuse as its the reason for the unfamiliar events in his dream was based on Malaria? Please note that you said the dream occurred many times. It was not just a single time, but many times of the exactly the same dream, a visit to a mosque was always the central theme.

Joseph, a prophet (AS), son of a prophet, grandson of a prophet and great grandson of a prophet (AS to all of them dreamt about his father, Jacob prostrating to him along with all his family members. Jospeh knew that God is the Only One deserving the prostrations from all mankind. Yet he had this dream and told his father, a prophet (AS). His father being a prophet knew that it was best for son Joseph to not tell his brothers. God used one prophet (Jacob the father) to inform another prophet (Joseph the son), about the need to keep secret about what is good that you see, from those who may hate that good from your dream, regardless of your relationship. God used Jacob to interprete the dream, in somewhat unclear way, since Only God knows the future of all.

Later this same Joseph, who could not interprete his own dream, became known as the one who interpreted the dreams of many, those who died, those who got restored back to honor and oh, the king of Egypt who averted a period of extreme famine in the land. We must know that in the long run, Jacob and his children prostrated their faces to Joseph! The truth is this; a good dream comes from God and its meaning, regardless the twisting of what it actually means, will come to pass. At its time.

Those who fear God will pay attention to their dreams. I pray that you will not play satan in your own salvation. I further pray that you will not allow any human and or an unseen being play satan to block your path to success. The true success is the one who is successful in the day of Judgement, a day that is already decreed.

Before my mother, Victoria, no Mariam reverted from Christianity to Islam, I discussed religion with her for the very first time, in my forthiest, immediately after September 11, 2001. I simply asked her how she remained a Christian, while she married my father and raise my sister and I? Her answer was that she loved Christianity and was a true believr in that religion. My follow up question was that if she believed that God is a Single God. Sghe affirmed this.

This now led me to ask her if she believed that Jesus was ALSO GOD, who died since God could not die. She said that she did not believe that Jesus was God. I then asked if JESUS was SON OF GOD and therefore who is the WIFE OF GOD. She said that based on the fact that God does not have a wife, she will take the position, then at that very moment that God is not the father of Jesus. But I reminded her that in every Christian plays i have seen about the pregregnance of Jesus, Mary was always as some unseen deity climbing up on top of her, as if "OVERSHADOWING HER."

My mother and I agreed up the point I asked her why she remained a Christian, if she now have disagreement, a foundamentatl one with Chritianity. Her wall of resistance for conversion came up so quickly that I saw that we are actually disagreeing with each other, for the very first time. She was not upset with me about my failed marriage that over a decade before then. She loved this exwife, since they both bear the same name, VICTORIA.

I remembered that I went back to the verses of the Qur'an where Allah commands kindness and love on believers towards their parents regardess of their belief or disbelief. I became humble to my mother without ever raising the topic of religion, but only 2 times, where necessary, in 2002! The event that followed in my life, was that I became saddened about the condition of my mother, according to Islamic descriptions of the conditions of disbelievers starting right from the event of death all the way to being resident of Fire of Hell. Please know that her father was known by me, but never could be beloved by me as much I adore my mother!

My One dream about my mother.

Soon enough, without aweek after my last conversation about religion with my mother, I dreamt about the Kadijah, (RA), the wife of Prophet Muhammad (AS). In another month, after this, dreamt about mar ibn Kattab (RA), who enouraged me to be strong in my faith and never to change or compromise. Few months passed and i dreamt about the Messenger, (AS), himself about being on Arafat, where he put me in charge of a group of people performing pilgrimage,but who were disagreeing with themselves on some minor issues. My role was to make sure that they are not disorderly and i should make sure that they conducted their hajj duties to Allah in peaceful and brotherly decorum. This was my instruct from him before I woke up. I consulted many muslims about this.

Sometimes, before November 2002, I dreamt that I was in a debate. My mother was in an opposition team from my team. We were in aplaza, where my mother's team was at a higher inclination than my team. Her team had many people, too. As the debate was about to begin, I stepped out with about 4 steps in the front to begin my presentation. To my surprise, my mother stepped as the person to argue with me. She took many more steps than I took.


An unknown sign from Above.


Just as both mother and son were about to begin their presentations, a very heavy, and unseen "FORCE," dominated the plaza. It was as if a big hovering object was on top of us, say 50 feet over our heads. I could not look up, but as strongly we all felt this phenomenon which we can't explain, I was not afraid and no one in my camp was afraid. The Object ahead, was like a hand which we dare not raise our heads to try to see, now did we hear any voice. All I knew was that this "HAND," from that honored position waved me back to by place, at it held me in awe of it!


Admonishing my mother.


As I stepped back and was absorbed into my group, the same Poweful Force held my mother in her place. It did not allow her to step back into her group. Instead it began to escoriate my mother as if to chastise her for her stubborness and her refusal to listen to what is good. She was warned but not punished. Then I woke up from my dream.


The news of the convertion of my mother to Islam.


Few years had passed. And 2006 arrived. I joined Nairaland because of Havila's ill reatment of Mukina2. At this that was the reason I joined. I actually stumbled on Nairaland on Nigeria.com website. The Ramadan of 2006, my older sister and her husbands and children informed me that mom had became a muslim. I was thinking that they were playing an expensive joke on me. Soon enough my mother greeted with salaamaualaykum. I responded and jokingly ask that if she was a cHristian she should not hide it from me and that i was okay by it. I reminded her that afterall, I would her to be a goof woman who deserved everything that she hoped for.

She said to me that she had actually reverted to Islam. At this time I told her she should not do it for me, except that she does it for the pleasure of Allah. She finally convinced me when she slaughtered in 2007! My mother up to the time we had our conversation was a devoted anglican of the methodist sect. Allah brought her to light even as she was married to my "powerful father," who did not even discuss Islam with her.

My marriage to a beautiful Igbo Princess

Zainab, is a prince from the royal family of Owerri. She used to hate Islamic call to prayer which she said used to give her headache in addition to bringing sadness. She hated to see people making ablution in preparation to prayers. That gives her skin itches and complete miserablility. And we met in March 2006, and evry changd for her. My first statement to her was that she is beautiful, but as i would love to marry her, I jut do not want to marry another Christian. To my surprise, right away, she said she would convert because it is a way to worship One God without having to go through any one else.

She is right. Today, she is a good woman, in Islam. involved in worldwide charitable events. I am greatful to God Almighty who has shown His favor on my beloved mother and my beloved wife, Zainab "Ndidi Ada."

Yeah, May Kelly, give them a try as Huxley the agitator is agitating that you do. lol. I love this disbelieving guy called Huxley. He is crazy like a fox! Riteon, brother man.

You should go to that Mosque at Madison and 5th, after you visit to what your brother recommend. You will definitely see black faces on Friday. No doubt. Islam is not a tribal thing. Unfortunately, most muslims carry their tribal identities and nuances and have injected it into Islam. Islam is not Arabic, or other cultures. But Islam is the purest of human cultures. What is natural, in its bashfulness and in its boldness.

@Cayon: You are in lower Manhattan, eh? Thats nice. Maybe you should go to warren Street.

Which one is recommended by your brother? You should go to 116th and 7th. Its called masjid Aqsa. The phone number there is 212 316 9803. Its mostly West Africans there. guess you are not in outer boros. In Brooklyn, Masjid At Taqwa on Fulton and Bedford via A train to Nostrand, is good place, since you are looking for black faces. All you have to do from the city is to take the A all th way from 125 to Nostrand. When you get out to the street, just go left for 1 long block till you see Bedford and you cross the street. The Mosque is what you will be standing at its corner. The second door of its Bedford Avenue side will be the entrance for the women. Go there. There are a lot of Yankees there. People who talk with Crocklyn accent like Wendy Williams! Okaay! lol.

And down the street, about 4 street blocks, in the direction of the traffic, on Bedford, from taqwa is another one known as Kalifah. You have choices. And even between 136 and 137 on 8th Avenue, you will find another one. And yet on 145th and S Nick, you will find yet another.

By the way, if you find racism among Muslims, it is definitely not an Islamic thing. But a thing that they the racists have not shed off from their trabal cultures and or personal injustices in their hearts. I ought to know.

The Prohibition of Taking the Jews, Christians and Enemies of Islam as Friends


Allah forbids His believing servants from having Jews and Christians as friends, because they are the enemies of Islam and its people, may Allah curse them. Allah then states that they are friends of each other and He gives a warning threat to those who do this, (And if any among you befriends them, then surely he is one of them.) Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that `Umar ordered Abu Musa Al-Ash`ari to send him on one sheet of balance the count of what he took in and what he spent.

Abu Musa then had a Christian scribe, and he was able to comply with `Umar's demand. `Umar liked what he saw and exclaimed, "This scribe is proficient. Would you read in the Masjid a letter that came to us from Ash-Sham'' Abu Musa said, `He cannot.'' `Umar said, "Is he not pure'' Abu Musa said, "No, but he is Christian.'' Abu Musa said, "So `Umar admonished me and poked my thigh (with his finger), saying, `Drive him out (from Al-Madinah).' He then recited,



(O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, )'' Then he reported that `Abdullah bin `Utbah said, "Let one of you beware that he might be a Jew or a Christian, while unaware.'' The narrator of this statement said, "We thought that he was referring to the Ayah, (O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, )'' Allah said, (And you see those in whose hearts there is a disease, ) A disease of doubt, hesitation and hypocrisy. (they hurry to their friendship,) meaning, they rush to offer them their friendship and allegiances in secret and in public, (saying: "We fear lest some misfortune of a disaster may befall us." They thus offer this excuse for their friendship and allegiances to the disbelievers, saying that they fear that the disbelievers might defeat the Muslims, so they want to be in favor with the Jews and Christians, to use this favor for their benefit in that eventuality! Allah replied,



(Perhaps Allah may bring a victory, ) referring to the conquering of Makkah, according to As-Suddi. (or a decision according to His will) requiring the Jews and Christians to pay the Jizyah, as As-Suddi stated, (Then they will become) meaning, the hypocrites who gave their friendship to the Jews and Christians, will become, (for what they have been keeping as a secret in themselves) of allegiances, (regretful,) for their friendship with the Jews and Christians which did not benefit them or protect them from any harm.


Rather, it was nothing but harm, as Allah exposed their true reality to His faithful servants in this life, although they tried to conceal it. When the signs that exposed their hypocrisy were compiled against them, their matter became clear to Allah's faithful servants. So the believers were amazed at these hypocrites who pretended to be believers, swearing to their faithfulness, yet their claims were all lies and deceit. This is why Allah said,


(And those who believe will say, "Are these the men who swore their strongest oaths by Allah that they were with you'' All that they did has been in vain, and they have become the losers.)

(54. O you who believe! Whoever from among you turns back from his religion (Islam), Allah will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, fighting in the way of Allah, and never fearing the blame of the blamers. That is the grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He wills. And Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All-Knower.) (55. Verily, your Protector is Allah, His Messenger, and the believers, those who perform the Salah, and give Zakah, and they bow down.) (56. And whosoever takes Allah, His Messenger, and those who have believed, as protectors, then the party of Allah will be the victorious.)

And in this nairaland community, we have heard of"testimonie," of former muslims, who said with they used to be outwardly, to the people "great defenders of Islam." In that same period of time, they used to make statement of lies about islam and used to be involved in acts of evilness, Fahishah, eg fornications, etc. And in time Allah the Almighty exposes them by setting them up in a way that in a short time, they were exposed and led away from Islam. We can safely claim now, that when these people were in Islam, they were not truly muslims. Rather they were hypocrites. The conditions of the hypocrites are defined in many verses of the Qur'an. Verses 8 and 9 define them as below:


The Hypocrites


We mentioned that four Ayat in the beginning of Surat Al-Baqarah described the believers. The two last Ayat (2:6-7) describe the disbelievers. Afterwards, Allah begins to describe the hypocrites who show belief and hide disbelief. Since the matter of the hypocrites is vague and many people do not realize their true reality, Allah mentioned their description in detail. Each of the characteristics that Allah used to described them with is a type of hypocrisy itself. Allah revealed Surat Bara'ah (chapter 9) and Surat Al-Munafiqun (chapter 63) about the hypocrites. He also mentioned the hypocrites in Surat An-Nur (24) and other Surahs, so that their description would be known and their ways and errors could be avoided. Allah said,


(8. And of mankind, there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day'' while in fact they do not believe). (9. They try to deceive Allah and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves, and perceive (it) not!)

My brothers and sisters in Islam, I am distracted in a good way on way the way to read the tafsir of Maida verse 51, with the miracle that Allah performed in the hands of Joshua, one of the leaders of the children of israel, after the passing away of nabiullah Seyidina Musa (AS). This miracle was on the occasion of the Victory over Jerusalem which took place on Friday. This is a good indication that Qur'an stands alone, in purity and Authorship from all other books. We will see that there is no place in the Bible, both old and new and even psalm that this even and the miracle of it is clearly defined. Place pay attention to the condition ofthe SUN!


Conquering Jerusalem


Allah's statement, (for forty years defines, (in distraction they will wander through the land.) When these years ended, Yuwsha` bin Nun led those who remained among them and the second generation, and laid siege to Jerusalem, conquering it on a Friday afternoon. When the sun was about to set and Yuwsha` feared that the Sabbath would begin, he said (to the sun), "You are commanded and I am commanded, as well. O Allah! Make it stop setting for me.'' Allah made the sun stop setting until Yuwsha` bin Nun conquered Jerusalem.


Next, Allah commanded Yuwsha` to order the Children of Israel to enter Jerusalem from its gate while bowing and saying Hittah, meaning, `remove our sins.' Yet, they changed what they were commanded and entered it while dragging themselves on their behinds and saying, `Habbah (a seed) in Sha`rah (a hair).'' We mentioned all of this in the Tafsir of Surat Al-Baqarah. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ibn `Abbas commented,



and the Jews conquered Jerusalem and found wealth unseen before. They wanted to let the fire consume the booty, but the fire would not do that. Yuwsha` said, `Some of you have committed theft from the booty.' So he summoned the twelve leaders of the twelve tribes and took the pledge from them. Then, the hand of one of them became stuck to the hand of Yuwsha` and Yuwsha` said, `You committed the theft, so bring it forth.' So, that man brought a cow's head made of gold with two eyes made of precious stones and a set of teeth made of pearls. When Yuwsha` added it to the booty, the fire consumed it, as they were prohibited to keep the booty.'' There is evidence supporting all of this in the Sahih.

From Surah Al Maida, we shall see what leads to the verse 51 of this noble Surah; First it has been established that the Children of Isreal, aka, the jews have been doing evil as they continued to rebel against the guidance and commandment of the Creator. Tis is the reason that they had a line of successive Prophets and Messengers, who came one after the other. In some instances, there were more than one prophet at the same time. The case of father and son prophets, Zakariah and Yahya illustrates this phenomina for those who wish to know. Father and son Daud and Sulaiman is an earlier period example of this, too.

The Christians are an offshoot of the Jews. It will be accepted that the companions, disciples of Jesus, and he Jesus were all from the Children of Isreal, aka Jews. Her is what Allah says in the Al Maida, before we get to the verse 51 of Surah Maida.

The Christians Also Broke their Covenant with Allah and the Repercussion of this Behavior

Allah said, (And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant,) Meaning: `From those who call themselves Christians and followers of `Isa, son of Maryam, while in fact they are not as they claim. We took from them the covenant and pledges that they would follow the Prophet, aid him, honor him and follow his footsteps.' And that they would believe in every Prophet whom Allah sends to the people of the earth. They imitated the Jews and broke the promises and the pledges. This is why Allah said,

From the above, we see that the Christians have relegated in their New Testament and in their general belief that many of the earlier prophets are infact not "prophets," anymore. Instead, they have just striped the office of Prophethood from these noble elects of Allah, and simple call them "Patriachs", etc. Example of these are Adam, Daud, Sulaiman, etc. We in Islam acknowlege every and everyone of them as Prophet (AS).




(but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection Meaning: `We planted enmity and hatred between them, and they will remain like this until the Day of Resurrection.' Indeed, the numerous Christian sects have always been enemies and adversaries of each other, accusing each other of heresy and cursing each other. Each sect among them excommunicates the other sects and does not allow them entrance to their places of worship. The Monarchist sect accuses the Jacobite sect of heresy, and such is the case with the Nestorians and the Arians. Each sect among them will continue to accuse the other of disbelief and heresy in this life and on the Day when the Witnesses will come forth. Allah then said,

We see that in the present day, and even on Nairaland, the Protestants accuse their forebearer sect, the Catholic of disbelief. And they also accuse and do categorically denies that the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and some others can not even be christians. Yet they read the same book; the Bible and based their core belief on the same central figures, Jesus and them Paul who used to be Saul The Speech of Allah is true.




(and Allah will inform them of what they used to do.) warning and threatening the Christians because of their lies against Allah and His Messenger and their false claims about Allah, hallowed be He above what they say about Him. The Christians attribute a companion and a son to Allah, while He is the One and Only, the All-Sufficient, Who neither begets nor was He begotten, and there is none like unto Him.

We should know that if a person is a christian, he will have to believe in at least one of thr two dislabelling of Allah (God) and the prophet Isa bin Mariam (Jesus son of Mary) whom they labelled as father and son combination respectively on one hand and compound this false belief with a partnership of cogod in their Trinity doctrine!




(15. O People of the Scripture! Now has come to you Our Messenger explaining to you much of that which you used to hide from the Scripture and passing over much. Indeed, there has come to you from Allah a light and a plain Book.) (16. Wherewith Allah guides all those who seek His Pleasure to ways of peace, and He brings them out of darkness by His permission unto light and guides them to a straight path.)

And yet Allah opens the gateway of His Mercy and Forgiveness to them by admonishing them and providing a leeway and direction of the latest and final form of Messenger and Message for success.

@Pilgrim.1: « #239 on: Today at 03:37:33 PM »

Again, if you want to know anything about Surah Mariam v 91, all you need do is get in touch - is that too much? I'm not emotional, and that's why I'm level headed enough to invite you off-the-forum. Yes, I have refused to entertain arguements from Muslims since I returned because I don't want to encourage you guys to keep lying about anything.

lol. As much I love you as a daughter or a nice, or a young cousin or a very young sister, I read Arabic. I understand it. I study tafsir. You babe, by Allah is not qualify to teach me anything in Islam; Qur'an, Ahadith, Sirah, etc. I can research what I need to know on my own.

But am gonna be in touch with you. Am a sucker for good conversation, from intelligent people. You are very intelligent. However in the matter of religion, you have chosen a wrong path. But it is your choice and I have no need to worry abot it, except the concern that you have been had!

@Pilgrim.1: « #232 on: Yesterday at 09:01:36 PM »  

What difference does it make anyway? Is it not Islam that teaches that the majority of those in Hell are WOMEN?!? What's the point of sliding back to Islam when it only promises women to be the majority in hell?

And amongst women who are not going to hell, according to Islam; Mariam, whose son is you god, Aasia, the wife of the tyrannical king Fir'awn who drwoned in the time of Moses, and those believing women in islam in every generation and nation.

And those men who will go to hell, according to Islam: Numerod, the king who threw Ibrahim in fire, Fir'awn the king who drowned in the sea, and all disbelieving men outside Islam, in every generation and nation.

And by the way, women are always the larger world population anyhow!

Dear sir, I have promised not to discuss Islam on the forum, that is why I have been inviting people who want to speak to me about these issues to get in touch by email (p_romanio@yahoo.com). In a friendly manner, I would share with you these matters and more about why I left your religion peacefully for you.

I will contact you by email. Then you will have no reason not to respond to egbon e o.



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Then what has pilgrim.1 done to Muslims that they would not let her live her life in peace, love and sincerity? I don't see how you're representing your belief system by you guys pushing your luck to dog my footsteps everywhere.[/quote]No one is dogging your footsteps. If anyone should ,it should be me. But it will be hounding. You may have had this same attitude towards the Christians when you were a muslimah.



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That is another confirmation of the accusation against Christians and Jews that I used to fabricate until God touched my heart. Why is it difficult for you guys to live your lives without seeking to blame the state of the Muslim world on Christians and Jews? How many Christian missionaries are working in the Muslim world to bring love, hope and dignity to Muslim world - Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc? What do the Muslim authorities do to those Christians bringing them such help?[/quote]Which touched your heart? Before you were talking about Jesus. Now you rae talking about "God!" Which God; Jesus, or Father or Holy ghost? Pilgrim, aburo, foju sono kon! You can be all over the map! In Afghanistan of today, the Christians are hard at work to "Christianized" this poor people. Now tell me what has Ahmad Karzai did to the Missionaries who are committing atrocities? Its all on youtube. Watch it for your own conscience.



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I hear, thank you. I used to believe such pretensions until Christ opened my eyes.[/quote]I feel you, pilgrim.



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I hear. I was praised when I did so many bad things against Christians and Jews; but when my heart was softened to love and respect them, it was Muslims who descended on me! Guess what? I still love the Muslims till tomorrow with the love of Jesus Christ![/quote]Are you now doing "good," in return to the Jews? I have a good pool of Jews that will deserve "good," from you. Should I send the list of person. Show me that you love me, aburo.



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If your tears are tears of joy, by all means rejoice with me. But crying for me is a bit understandable - because Jesus broke every barrier that anyone could put in front or behind me according to your quote of "QCh 36". Do you want to know that saving grace as well? It is available also today. . . this minute, if you would believe that Jesus is the MESSIAH and receive Him into your heart as such! Jesus is Lord.[/quote]Now, we see that you are preaching! Then know that the Lord of Jesus, the One that Jesus cried out to, and said "my God, my God, " on the cross, is the One that we, the Muslims worship, and direct our prayers to. We do not need a patron or intermediary. You, Pilgrim, you are still playing with petron and intermediary. Thats idolworshipping.

@Pilgrim.1: « #231 on: Yesterday at 08:43:25 PM »

Have you exhausted yourself now? So, can I reply you after you have let hot air escape through the ears? Please calm down.

I thought "Christianity," would mellowed you down, from the days of your Islam, when you you used to overspeak your Christian friends, with rhetorics and information. Didn't your Christian Missionary "teacher," taught you that you can confront the muslims, except that you will find "big resistance?" Aburo, you have to behave like a lamb, while you are actually a lion!



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Please do better than me by all means. Salvation in Christ is not by force nor is it a competition, sir. Nobody reading my testimony is stupid to fall for any "emotion" if that is what they thought was in my sharing; so it seems you're the only one shouting here?[/quote]Salvation in Christ, as you Christians are presenting actually more than forcing people. Please go back to the Spanish Inquisitions and all the othr progroms in Europe. Then visit Afghanistan of today. I saw the christians missionaries and their atrocities on the youth of Aghanistan. "You tube" media will present a clear evidenceagainst your statement of the salvation is not by fore. Please have the strength to watch it.



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Dear sir, babs787 is not part of my testimony, so I'm not here to post anything about him. he has also shared his testimony, and if nothing came of it, what is my worry? You have a serious problem not being able to understand that this is not about bragging. As you can see, there are still many more issues to share with others; but I'm not in a rush to do so - so where's the bragging?[/quote]You are shouting, aburo. Rora. Pele pele o.
And please continue to share your testimony, soon and don't keep people like Davidylan, Plus_Queen, etc in suspense. I am sure you guys are doing passy passy under under information between the "network," already established. Awa egbo e ni ko je ka join, se lo yarii. And your reason for not talking to me is my Islam. Oga o. What would Jesus have done? Oh. I remember, he was not a Christian. I know what Saul (Paul) would do. Excatly what you are doing now. One, being deceitfully camouflagging your real intension. If you are intending to convert, then come out to say so. Your Christian ministry teacher is a terrible liar, teaching deceit, while people can read your intention with a need for microscope.

Two, you are too emotional. And emotion does not produce practical benefit for those who exhibit too much of it, in any discuss. When we ask you questions, you do nothing but evade it. Yet you are the one who wa trying to analyse the verse 91 of Surah Mariam as if you an expert and scholar of both Islam and fusat Arabia. I have news for you, as I believe that it is day time in New york City, right this minute, in truth, you and I, without any ability to refuse will have to be on that Warithduha (A bridge, a passage way, an overpass, etc) over the Fire of Hell. It is a hatman (An already determined thing) decree upon, you and I!



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Well, it's going to be a long wait, my dear sir. I'm not here to speak about allah, but about the power of love I found in Jesus Christ.[/quote]And in 2001, 2008 would have been a long wait, my dear baby pilgrim.1! And in 75 years, you will closer to 100 years old. Then, just maybe, you will know that a god that does not know "the hour," is not worth worshipping. And the power of love of that god is inferior to the God Who is the Owner and Holder of "the hour," and many many more. That God who is the Owner and Holder and Determiner of "the hour," is whom we in Islam are worshipping.



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I have thought carefully about all those and more, and I'm content to know that nothing can pluck me out of HIS Hands
~~[/quote]Continue and I remember surah Takathur. The surah before surah Asr. Its a very shot=rt surah of 8 verses. It talks about people who indulged in the joy (of various reasons. One of them may be the false salvation of a wrong "God" of this world.

"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." -- [John 10:28]

See that you did not "interprete" or opinionate above? Now try doing the same about Mark 12 verse 29! O ba mi nbe o.

Thank you - the mercy I found in Jesus meets my every need.

Thats just lack of experience in speech.

@Plus_Queen: « #7 on: Today at 03:54:56 PM »  Alhamdulillah, you at least didn't call yourself, Plus_Queensize! lol.

Hi @DZ (mind if I call you that sometimes?),

Quote from: DeepZone on Today at 03:47:35 PM
I know but that culture originated from Nigeria because I've never heard of it in American churches.

Well, that is news to me. . . although I cannot categorically say where I first noticed it. I once watched a service in progress and people just kept going to drop stuff at the pulpit so much so that to a casual observer it seemed to be a market place.

There are so many cultures that have crept into almost every religion in the world today. You name them and you will find sects, denominations, factions, and coteries in almost all of them. Our church is not the best, but one thing I so enjoy there is that the leaders ill not encourage anything that they cannot find in Scripture; yet, they encourage the members to not overwhelm other groups with what we believe.  

The greatest show on earth would be a show presented in a market. Wouldn't since there is an already made audience pool in abundant!

And how are your church leaders dealling with the case of "TRINITY" since it is not found in the "SCRIPTURE?"  
 


@plus_Queen: « #11 on: Today at 04:02:07 PM »  

In my opinion,there's actually nothing with sowing.
You reap when you sow,that is scripture.
The only thing I wonder is how distracting this must be for people to walk up to the altar so many times to do this.
It doesn't sound like a good idea.
They could have a collection box at the back where people could put in whatever they have on the way out if the message of the day touched them.
[b]The way this sonds,some people may just walk up to be noticed.
Secondly this introduces carnality where the pastor may be noting those that walk up so often
and his head may swell up when people keep walking up.[/b]so in any sermon where no one walks up,people where not blessed?
There's a better way to do this.

You must have been a "Showstopper," in the days! Chei. Naija women sha. lol. Walking up to be noticed, head swelling up, etc. And you see why in Islam, men and women do not mix together in Ibadat (performing duties of worship in a communual sense among the believers)? Just imagine how many bloodhounds in the church, if you even can propose that the pastor/preacher, a mere human being can even be "noting and getting swelled up!"

@Davidylan: « #1 on: Today at 06:07:39 AM »

If Christ had adopted this financial strategy He'D have been a very rich man.
These CEOs (pastors) need to be in charge of our economy, we'D be a world power in 4yrs.

Madam sectere, the Obanta delegates, and I Olabowale the represenattive, nominated our own son of the soil, Davidylan for the post!



@affee (f): « #2 on: Today at 07:26:28 AM »

DZ
it is not done only in christ embassy
when the man of God says a word that moves you in the spirit, you sow whatever you have
IT NOT COMPULSORY OO
it was not instituted by my pastor, it just started on it's own.
I have seen people that don't have money sow their wristwatches or anyother thing

and in the tradition of my church such items
money-is put back into the church treasury
other items- are kept in the church store and disbursed to those that are in need of such items

it is not found anywhere in the bible

That is not only thing. If we apply this thought, above, as you have presented it, to what is not found in the Bible, Trinity will be upside down, even more than it is, now. And is there a Christ Embassy church in USA?

Ajiah, since you called me mallam. lol.