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@Tpia: I pity you. Yet you dont have your own picture so that we can critique you. As I look at Frizy, I see radiance and youth. Look at the clarity of his skin? Do you see blemishes? He does not even have a beard, an essential sunnah, probably because of his youth. Lets see your picture an we want to critique your look. It goes both ways you know. How is the West destroying the african psyche?

Don't ask me to show my face. Thats for my friends, and you ain't one of them. And I am not the one calling anybody any name.

@Pastor AIO:

Now consider that Jesus too was trying to engage with a normally unused aspect of our being. If he used a direct rhetoric the human understanding would seize on it and interpret it in all kinds of ways that ultimately misconstrue the whole point of what he is saying. Therefore it would be necessary to distract and confound the human understanding so that another faculty can come into play. Those who have developed these faculties can grasp what he has termed a mystery. Yet those who do not have it will only flounder and rightly so because it is better to be confused and mystified than to get the wrong end of the stick completely. On more than one occasion Jesus made it clear that things of the kingdom of heaven require another faculty to understand. It was this faculty that Jesus was concerned with engaging. You can involve yourself with all sorts of cerebral gymnastics and clever argumentation, and I, for one, am quite fond of such, but the fact is that seeing, you will not see, and hearing, you will not hear. Enjoy your brain but be aware of it's limitations.

Ologbon kan o le ta koko omi si eti aso
No wise man is wise enough to tie a knot of water on the fringe of his cloth
Moran moran kan o le ka iye eepe ile
No one is so knowledgeable to know the number of grains of sand on the earth
Ki a moran moran, ki a mo ponna pelu
So let us gather knowledge but let us be aware of the limitations of knowledge

-The King of Edu

Gbere omo Oduduwa. I am certain that Oduduwa is not truly your father, since he has been dead for many hundreds of years, without preserving his semen to be used in the pregnancy of anyone alive, today. You will see how Mary the mother of jesus was called the sister of Aaron. You hear me Queenisha.


Now, PastorAIO, apply the same process above with each prophet; Moses and Muhammad. Read their materials.

@M_Nwankwo: I already provided my proofs: I said that you said that you only draw from th grail message. You affirmed the same. I said that you claim like the christians, that Jesus is son of God. You affirm the same. I said that anything you consider evil, eg, punishment, diseases, hellfire, etc are not possible for God to do, because he will be incapable of doing these evil things. You classify God to be about Love, etc. If I am wrong, please correct me.

Alhamdulillah, you already know my condition. I am not curious about grail message, the same way am not curious about any woman that is forbidden to me. I know my limitation and I know what i want. My interest as i have said is to actually ask you, when did this grail message came to existence? You have not answered that question, as I am posing it the second time now.

Finally, since you and the founder of the grail message may be limited in knowledge, just like everyone of us, and your founder not being a prophet and messenger of God Almighty, since i am sure of it, you will not disagree with me that he and the message could be deficient? Would you?

@Olaadegbu: Ojooro iwo man yi poo ju. Mio fe nma da si oroo e. Sugbon, eleyi gaa o.

3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages: In the Old Testament, "LORD" is distinguished from "Lord" (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The "LORD" has a "Son" (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). Spirit is distinguished from the "LORD" (Numbers 27:18) and from "God" (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, John 14:16-17 is where Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit. This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all of the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity - the Father.

Aren't you disagreeing with the Bible itself that says in many verses that Jesus is GOD LORD HIMSELF? And aren't you disagreing with Jesus, directly who says in Mark 12 Verse 29, that his and his group of listers have the same Lord God who is One Lord? Check yourself man and then check the Bible!

4) Each member of the Trinity is God: The Father is God: John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2. The Son is God: John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20. The Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16 (The One who indwells is the Holy Spirit - Romans 8:9; John 14:16-17; Acts 2:1-4).

According to the Christian pundits of nairaland, isn't it true that the holy ghost is the direct spirit of Christian God? I remember ~Lady~ telling me that no human exist without a human spirit. So she concluded unabashly that Holy ghost is the spirit of Christian God. I am saying this to set you up for your entry of the holy spirit being subordinate to the son, below.

5) The subordination within the Trinity: Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship, and does not deny the deity of any person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see: Luke 22:42; John 5:36; John 20:21; 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see: John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7 and especially John 16:13-14.

Walla!, as the french would say. How is it that the spirit that makes the christian God tick or manifest His existence to man, as in the agent that was hovering over the surface of the earth, during creation or was it before it. And also the spirit that truly and symbolically show at the time of baptism of Jesus that he was a begotten son who He was well pleased. And the only part that I have heard that if anyone sins against, or disrespect or abuse, there is no forgiveness for that person. And the part along with the father that can not be killed, since it is obvious that the son was murdered, crucified, killed, etc, could be a subordinate to anything, especially the son? Please explain.

6) The tasks of the individual members of the Trinity: The Father is the ultimate source or cause of: 1) the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); 2) divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); 3) salvation (John 3:16-17); and 4) Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father INITIATES all of these things.

The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: 1) the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); 2) divine revelation (John 1:1; Matthew 11:27; John 16:12-15; Revelation 1:1); and 3) salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.

The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: 1) creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); 2) divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); 3) salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and 4) Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

lol. Oh boy. You make me laugh. Read the roles of son and holy ghost. Why would Christian God need 2 parts of Him doing the same exact things? Serving the same functions? Infact, you listed the holy spirit even doing the works of Jesus. Read it. Why would Jesus be necessary? Infact why Trieun, Trinity or whatever you wanna call your godheads be necessary? I think you guys are right along in the theme of your more than one gospel, as you project the same mindset on more than one Christian God. I heard a person say shiio, to indicate his or her dissatisfaction in another thread. i concour, here.

None of the popular illustrations are completely accurate descriptions of the Trinity. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not parts of God, each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better but still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapour, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration. Instead of focusing on the Trinity, try to focus on the fact of God's greatness and infinitely higher nature than our own. "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" (Romans 11:33-34)

~Lady~, Queenisha, Davidylan, rampant, etc, this is what am talking about. Eah is a God. So you have three Gods. Queenisha, am waiting for you to humor me. Olaadegbu, reflect on the last verse! There is your failing! When you guys begin to reduce to an entity that has to come to the earth through the birth canal of a woman. And be a helpless child, etc before he could be a strong young man, etc. And then acquire almost full knowledge since he did not know the time of the last hour. Or when it is the natural condition of a fig tree that did not produce fruit for him, in the off season, etc. And then being controlled in the wilderness by Satan and then followed with 3 temptations. And then killed off. While you say that he was a willing sacrificial lamb. When we see the opposite is the case because he cried out about why he is being forsakened. We will have to ask you, is your heart sound and grounded in true belief? If it is, you would not be worshipping a three gods God!

Omo oba, heck yourself! Why worship the creation when it is the Creator, alone who is deserving of all worship?

@Cayon: And Invading Privacy? What does that mean? Where do you have it written in the Qur'an? Tis is why I am trying to get you to come/ okay go visit mosques in NYC, NY, in the USA.

@Justcool: « #96 on: Today at 12:25:06 AM »
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Alhamdulillah. Justcool, when God the Almighty Allah was going to bring me victory, he made you write down the parts that I enboldened. The case of saying Jesus is son of God is enough as my proof. You got it from your grail message, didn't you?

I do not have to see a filt, (Human excrement), before I know am near an open sewer, a treatment plant or just Shalanga, Yiani, Shosho, Sarabe, etc (courtesy of old Fela song lyrics). The stench is enough.

I have read enough from what M_Nwankwo put forward, and then people like you. You guys copy the ideas in the Bible about Jesus and God. Except that you deny, comfortably that God does not punish, since you consider punishment as evil thing.


@Olabowale
In your initial false acaccusations to which I replied you said:


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@KunleOshob and others: It is grail message that you people will now find guidance? There is no true guidance in Bible and definitely, it is even worse in the grail message (unfortunately I tend to want to call it gray flannel, but I am fighting the urge, hard). This grail message is the stepping stone to occultizm, if not it already. Its a convolution of idea that centres not on God Almighty, but denial of His true essence. It is claiming that God will never punish. That will be wrong.


Tell me how does the fact that the Grail Message stated that Jesus is the son of God justfy your above claims. How does this fact(that the Grail Message stated that Jesus is the son of God) justify your accusing the Grail Message of these:
(1) "There is no true guidance in Bible and definitely, it is even worse in the grail message (unfortunately I tend to want to call it gray flannel, but I am fighting the urge, hard)."[/quote]The greater sin is the worship of anything other than One God Almighty, without an offspring, or parents. He has no partner. Since you and others claim that Jesus is more that just and mere human prophet to his people from God, you will see how I come to the conclusion of the lack of the right guidance from grail message, christianity, Judaism, hinduism and others.

(2) "This grail message is the stepping stone to occultizm, if not it already."

If you look at the masonic orders, you will see that grail message is in the same pattern. The masonic lodge orders believe in parts of every religion. Most claim to be christians. Even they study the Qur'an in their own plans and evil twists as they get to the highest of level. This I have been told by those who have been members.

(3) "Its a convolution of idea that centres not on God Almighty, but denial of His true essence."

Justcool, let me make it clear to you. If you put on me what is not mine, regardless of your claim, it will not actually be an accurate description of my person. To those who know me well, they will not be able to identify me by your data of my person. That in itself is the denial of my actual existence, as i do exist now. When you say that God has a son, you have shifted to a different God, and not the God Almighty who has no parents and He is not a parent of anyone.

All these claims and acussations that you made are completely false. You claim that you got these false impression from m_nwankwo's and mine's posts.

Firstly, I challenge your to provide posts where m_nwankwo and I made such claims

Secondly, even if we did, I have always stated at the end of my explanations that what I explain are my personal perception of the Grail message. My personal perception could be wrong and the Grail Message should not be judged based on just my perception of it. Read it your self and evaluate it based on your own perception.

M_Nwankwo has always stated that he draws his statements from the grail message. This is enough, as a proof. Please note that I do not have to go back to provide every claim. All I have to do is just to disprove the grail message, just from your unsubstantiated claim of his 100% accuracy. By the way, when did this religion/way, grail message began? Before Jesus or after him? Regardless of when, Allah says in Surah Al Maidah (Chapter 5), that He has bestowed on mankind as a favor His perfection of the completed religion of Islam on in the watch of the noble Messenger (AS). Allah further says, whosoever choose another way, he has gone astray, indeed.

Thanks


The words in red are Olabowale's words and not mine.

I affirm.

@Olowo Tee: What happened to Paul? Whats his role? Mo ni ki nron e leti ni o! She ongbo mi, nsin yin? lol. Otito koroo, omo araiye o fe.

@Pataki:

And who are you preaching culture and ethics to

If the shoe fits. It seems to me, however that you have lost whatever culture you came from, with the empty facade of Holland and the west in the general sense of it. Please go back and adopt if for the first time, the morality of your home culture. I am going to assume, because your id says Pataki, a yoruba word, that you are a Yoruba man. Go back and pick up the yorubaness of your youth.

@Davidylan: « #71 on: August 09, 2008, 10:14 PM »  

Quote from: huxley on August 09, 2008, 10:13 PM
So we are agreed that according to the bible Jesus was not without sin/crime?

Davidylan's response:
thou sayest.

Whats the meaning of thou sayest? Are you in agreement with huxley, or are you not in agreement with huxley?
Your answer with help us tp know what you think Jesus meant in his own thou sayest. You will see that it is an
endictment on you, or at least what Jesus meant, since you are a christian, with the thought that you are copying Jesus.

 





[SeanT21] « #72 on: August 10, 2008, 01:24 AM »  
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Go read it and Tell me[/quote]The guy asked a question, there is a need for an answer, instead of running him raggedy.

 





[euromilion]  « #73 on: August 10, 2008, 09:55 PM »  
fig tree  every good tree must bear fruit on it due season, any tree witout fruit on their due season, shall be cut off and cast into the lake fire, to those that has more shall be given to, to those wit little , the little shall be taken.  our sole  purpose to life is to multiply in every area's of life's, that apply's to everything in life including tree's & animal's, there fore everything must serve 4 their purpose.

[/quote]Was that the season for that particular fig tree, instead of the general season for all Fig trees? Why should that tree act any different from its God given order of producing fruits? If truly Jesus was what you said he was, he would have commanded the tree to fruit, as a miracle. The tree would have produced fruits. If your god acted unjustly to a tree that he had given its natural order and process, just imagine how unjust he will be with other more animated things than the tree. Is this god ever could be considered just god by this killing of the tree?

pig's are naturally unclean so therefore, nothing wrong wit em 'ving evil spirit, because they have it anyway, beside everything on earth belong's to god,  so who are we to question his action's, he does as he please, if everything is his so why can't he?

And with all of the filths, the Christians can eat enough of its flesh. The expression of you are what you eat is very correct.

 






[ohije] « #74 on: Today at 08:52:39 AM »  
the subject is a very funny one, it's like the clay telling the potter, why are you moulding me the way you are doing, you may need to go and have some discursion with jesus, telling him to defend his actions in those examples you cited; he is a gentle lord, huxley!, he will.

Ohije. And you say he is the one that you copy? Why can't you defend Jesus? Why can't you speak as gentle as Jesus? Afterall didn't Jesus say greater work shall you those who believe in him do? Now do better job, a gentler job than what your gentle lord will do. If its my mare human prophet Moses, or Jesus or Muhammad that Huxley is speaking about, I will grow a special backbone and stand firm in resolve to defend whoever he is trying to say something bad about. I will educate Huxley. Ask him, because I have been trying to engagehim, even privately.

 




[Gamine] « #75 on: Today at 09:07:46 AM »  
aah HUXLEY.

You only make me laff    and weep for your soul  

i cannot take anything you say seriously.

You have proved time without number your meandering mind

and the Bible Says, the unstable mind. . . . .

lol. At least struggle and give an engaging answer to Huxley's tons and tons of questions. But of course, not saying anything is also an answer. As they say, when you have nothing good to say, keeping quite is the next best thing.






@Bimbex:
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i think i dey your side, you know wetin we go do? make we go fix date for court (Heaven) so God go fit know wetin he pikin do on one condition say na you go represent me and you there.

who di mother way give pikin for God? watin be di mother to God? watin be God with the mother? Can a mother have pikin way no be the Husband pikin, too. Or can a father have pikin may no come from the wife, unless he do am illegal sex?

Bimbex, na wayo you day talk with your pikin for God! God no need any pikin to make Judgement, or to make forgiveness.

@Queenisha:
There is no nightmare in my life, especially with that smart girl. The question is this, is the smart girl still a christian, or what is she, now? But you are smarter, or am I wrong?

@Queenisha :
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Olabowole
na so the thing come pain you e kwa
Leave the guy alone.
He chooses to keep his Arabic name and that's his choice.
Why is that giving you a headache
sheesh!!!
You get time to worry yaself over nonsense.

The guy Asamuel was a Muslim,he's now a Christian and here on this forum you've seen plenty like him
6 million annually in Africa alone
Remember Malik ?
Rememeber shahan
remember mlkbaby
remember your worst nightmare of last year and earlier this year
The very smart girl
You know who I'm talking about

so sock it up and quit crying.[/quote]We are talking about his name, but his father's name being Christian name! Think about that.

I remember those people. Now remember my mother; now Mariam?
Remember Ndidi, now Zainab? And am working on Emeka. Then you and your husband.

And the only places you have gullible people are in Africa's subsahara. This is no surprise.

Now tell me when Christianity invades Middle east. Please remember that USA thinks that she
will remain for as long as she wonts, in Iraq. That was before the Iraqis said no.

My friend, know that Allah is the Lord God of all. He is the Only One Who has the power
to select people of Paradise. The rest because of their evil desires be condemned in Hellfire.
Posted on: Today at 12:46:34 AMPosted by: Queenisha

@Davidylan: « #8 on: August 10, 2008, 11:46 PM »

alhaji e ba wa sorry lori phone o.

I like your Majestic pronoun, especially for yourself; "wa," in the above sentence. it fits you like a glove. lol.

@Gamine: « #5 on: Today at 05:34:45 PM »

Follow God

Follow Jesus

Why are you seeking to follow men

Follow God (no. 1), follow Jesus (no. 2)! Its now 2 entities? What happened to 3 entities as in Trinity, sisi mi?

@Pataki:

How old are you?

Trying to sift through the balderdash you have written as a post to me is a practical waste of my time. For goodness sake there is an Islamic section for you people to go celebrate your blood thirsty Mohammed and Allahu Axebar.

If you keep coming in here to foment trouble, whatever you get thereafter is your headache. I would not hit the report to moderator button due to the biased attitude of the moderator of this board. I wonder what your problem is. You sit on the Christian related board not to learn or get saved, but rather to incite for spite and acrimony against Christianity.

If you do not desist, I will give it to you the way you want it. Been a while I came on the religion board, but it does not mean your nonsense should be tolerated time and time again.

And most of all take up the garment of the arrogance of the people we live in their society. But there is a better way. Unfortunately, we discard whatever good quality of mannerizm that our indigenous societies do have, and the better quality of our host countries, we discard both, forgetting that we are still under the heavens and on the earth of the Merciful.

Good example is a person who raises his offspring without ever experiencing the culture of the home country, or ever speaking the laguage to them and definitely, never give them names that identify them as from this culture.

How old am I, you ask? Old enough to know right from wrong and be firm in resolve. By the way what is it to learn? And what is it to be saved by? Pataki think about that before you invite me to some safety. I also want to let you know that you make incursions to the so called muslim board. Non-muslims do that all the time.

@~Lady~: There. Pataki has confirmed what we in islam generally belief. This is aChristian section.

@Davidylan:Posted on: Today at 04:22:36 PM

Asking for a "source" even when what you quoted had this boldly printed - Mishkat Al-Messabih, vol 2, no. 5552

Is that not the height of dishonesty?

@Mazaje: Posted on: Today at 04:40:21 PM

The source is there for you to see, but since you have been blinded by dogma you have failed to see it. ohhh so the day of judgement will not come until every body on earth has died abi, ok very good keep on deluding your self.

Posted on: Today at 07:47:07 PMPosted by: mazaje

it is there for you to see, mr mohammed footsoldier. open your eyes

Guys, I tried. Where I found Mashkat Al Messabih  Vol. 2, No. 5552 is below by Robert Spencer of JihadWatch, in his speech at a symposium of anti-Islam. I have tried every straight out Islamic sites and called friends and associates. No one can provide any clue how Robert got his information. I will still continue to search and maybe i will come up with something in the future. But right now, it seems as if Robert Spencer was saying by this Mishkat Al-Messabih material thatafter death, and humans are raised up for Judgement day, the group ofMuslims that would otherwise taste some punishments in hellfire will be given a Jew or a Christian to be killed so that they do not go to hellfire.

If this is the case, Robert Spencer and Mishkat Al-Messabih Vol 2, No 5552 is wrong. The reason is that it goes against every condition of the day of Judgement.

No one will die twice.
No one will die after being raised up for Judgement
Among the Muslims that will enter Hell and may or may not leave it, will be Munafiqun, or hypocrites
There will be 72 groupings of muslims that will taste some punishments in hellfire.
Only one grouping, from the total 73 groupings of what islam will be will not taste hellfire.

If we use Robert Spencer from Mishkat Al-Messabih, Vol 2 No 5552, the idea will not wash at all.


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Muslim anti-Semites worldwide today refer to Jews as ?apes? and ?pigs? because of this verse and 5:60. Also, in authentic Islamic tradition there is much grounds for antagonism, such as these notorious hadiths: ?Allah?s Apostle said, ?The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, ?O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him?? (Sahih Bukhari, vol. 4, book 56, no. 2926, and many other places). Another hadith also strikes a chilling note: ?When judgment day arrives, Allah will give every Muslim a Jew or Christian to kill so that the Muslim will not enter into hell fire? (Mishkat Al-Messabih, vol. 2, no. 5552.).

Phares: Let me redefine anti-Semitism within the Arab-Islamic context. The right concept would be anti-Judaism. For Arabs are Semites too but rarely identify as such. In Arabic it would come as Mua'di lil Yahood (anti-Jewish) instead of Mu'adi lil Samiya (anti-Semite). It is not about pure faith (Judaism) as much as it is about the carriers of that faith (Jews). As far as texts goes, including the Qur'an, most experts would refer to two types of verses. The Meccan ones, which came when Mohammed was struggling against the Pagan establishment. The Jewish tribes were sympathetic to his struggle. The verses of that era were tolerant towards the Jews, defined as people of the Book.

@Mazaje: « #114 on: Today at 04:40:21 PM »
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The source is there for you to see, but since you have been blinded by dogma you have failed to see it. ohhh so the day of judgement will not come until every body on earth has died abi, ok very good keep on deluding your self.[/quote]I ask you to provide your source(s), you are telling me a story, instead. The burden of proof is on the accuser. You can't do it, abi? I know it all along.

Your partypeoplepresent nothing!

@Davidylan: « #113 on: Today at 04:31:32 PM »
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what is even more obvious is your own confusion . . . unless Allah is planning to entirely kill everyone in one day this can never happen.[/quote]David, think man. God created human from a single soul, Adam. Then he with his mate began to procreate. The process continued in all its forms even as we speak. Now just do the reverse. Maybe you see the pictures now. Just imagine the time of wars, like this invasion of Georgia by Russia.

Many people, mostly men are being killed. The death rate is greater than the time before the invasion began. If Allah wills it, just like the way Jericho was level, without a single soul, it will be so, at anytime.

Your religion is terribly incomplete. I do not believe until you just said it now that you think God may be incapable to bring about the day of Judgement without a human soul remaining alive. I am familiar with your never to happen rapture. God Who was God bfore He created human, will be the Judge Who will bring about day of Judgement by ressurection of all souls, in a recreation for Judgement day.

@M_Nwankwo: « #92 on: Today at 04:17:57 PM »
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Sir the taste of the pudding lies in the eating. Pick up a copy of the Grail Message and read. It is a 1000 plus page book. The source of the Grail Message can be found by examining the Grail Message. The Grail Message is a proclamation of the eternal Truth. It is a revaelation of the entire mechanism of creation, how it was before creation, how creation started, how it developed and how it is being maintained. It is therefore a question of cosmogony. Each of the 168 lectures in the Grail Message revealed a Truth that has never being uttered before by any person in any part of creation including the physically visible and invincible parts. You can refute or accept this assertion by examining the Grail Message. The Grail Message states that Jesus Christ is the son of God. It did not just state it, but goes on to show how and why Jesus is the son of God. It is an event that has its origin in the Godhead, the creator of all the worlds. Jesus Christ is the incarnate word of God, the son of God. Jesus Christ is therefore an incarnation of God in flesh and blood. Since he is an incarnation of God, a process of radiation which you can find the full description in the Grail Message, Jesus Christ is also the Truth and the Life. No man will ever enter paradise without this recognition. People can argue which ever way but all true prophets of God know that Jesus is the son of God even if followers of these prophets are ignorant of it. I have in various exchanges with you addressed the issues you raised. I will not repeat them here. If you do not believe that Jesus is the son of God, then it is your choice. The truth that Jesus is the son of God can be experienced in life but not proven on the pages of nairaland forum. The path or the oppurtunity for that experience is open to all who genuinely seek to know about it. Thanks.
[quote][/quote]Thanks i do not need to pick up a copy and do not need to read it. I am satisfied with what i have. It allows for human mind where it is necessary. And where there is a need for spiritual mind to work, it is allows it in a natural way, considering that human mind and the knowledge it contains is always limited to the time and place in human developments of all the branches of knowledge.

It is better to be ignorant in some places, if the knowledge will altimately be destructive.

For example, a Pakistani friend of mine was using the 40 year old man who covered his face with the only garment he has so that he does not look at the almost naked beautiful woman he met while both of them are approaching each other from opposite direction in a very isolated place.

While he did not cover himself up properly, by blindfolding himself from the trial that could ensue if he looked at this beautiful woman, he himself did not see what the woman who was tempting saw about his own struggle to avoid the woman.

Or the story of an older man who has a strong will and his young impressionable son. He used his hands to cover the ears of his son, so that he does not hear the evil speech of a man who was abusing him, while he the father cared less about the caustic things being said.

Tthe writer of grail message must have more knowledge about God and jesus than the prophets before and the only one after Jesus was on earth? You seem to indicate that all those prophets kept the information about Jesus being son of god as their own secret.

Even though every prphet is commanded to deliver his assigned message in truth, complete without leaving any part out, undelivered. I will love to read how you come up with these opinions. At least thats what i draw from your statements.


Finally, at least i like the fact that you are allowing everyone their own opinion and choice. Same is Islam. We are supposed to tell everyone and not force anybody. I do not force anyone.

@Mazaje:

olabowale will you shut the Bleep up and let people be?

This is what you gain from Europe? You are Cyprus, and you have this much venom? What if you live in USA, where there are so many ways, including regional expression to say the same thing? Africans!

why does he plan to give unto the moslems christains and jews to kill before entering in to paradise as the following Hadith proclaims "When judgment day arrives, Allah will give every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian to kill so that the Muslim will not enter into hell fire." - Mishkat Al-Messabih, vol 2, no. 5552.

Please provide your source? It is pure dishonest what you have written, above. Day of judgement will not come except that everyone would have died. It is then that day of judgement will begin, by ressurections of every one who ever lived.

In Islam it is believed that only a group of the muslims out of 73 groups will not go to hell fire at all. How do you therefore arrive at your killing all over again, other people by muslims, so that they can not enter hellfire, which will be contrary to what the Qur'an says?

You dishonesty is obvious.

you know nothing about christainity and christains know nothing about islam too, stop this my allah is better than you allah, if allah is real he would come and do all the explanations himself he wouldnt require your service because you have failed completely. so stop all these madness and self delusion. you deluded mohammed footsoldier.

Explanation was already done. Check the Al Qur'an. And your question was already answered. I guess that I am happy that you consider me Muhammad's (AS) foot soldier! Be my witness to this fact.

Sorry to M_Nwankwo: I meant to say "Not copied," but only the truth of all world religions were in there. When did the grail message came to being, except that it copied but refused to acknowledge it obvious plaigiarizm. Let me ask this question, the verses where Jesus said that he was not God will not be in the grail message would it? Like Verse 29 of Mark 12, etc, and the crying out of Jesus about his dying? And since torture is bad and can be considered as pain or punishment, that part of the Bible about Jesus cruxifixion will not be in the grail message. Remember ut akl love and hence lake of fire of Christian will not be there.

@KunleOshob:« #86 on: Today at 02:44:12 PM »  

The same way ideas were copied from the bible to write the quoran in a highly distorted form.

You know that you have told lies. Qur'an declares that this Qur'an is in a Tongue that is not the same to any claimed religions texts, Bible! Tell me as an Ilesha person, or in general, a yoruba person, can you translate a book written in Calabar indigenous language to your dialect, Ijesha, or language, Yoruba and it is more superior, in details to also calabar people that their the original in their language, while the people of your dialect and Language, in the West are very familiar with this so called calabar only experience? Impossible.

First, the stories that are common in the Bible, both Old and new testaments and along with the Qur'an are the story of all humanity. It started from before the creation of Adam, and it movs forward from there. In the Qur'an, the creation and what Adam is made up of are different from that of the  bible. Read it. The story of jesus is different, The story of Moses and Fir'awn is differenet. The story of Joseph is different. The story of jacob is different. While you accuse Joseph of doing things that could be considered evil and deceitful, Islam's Qur'an honored him and nothing of that is mentioned. The story of Isaac is different. The story of Ismail is different. The story of Ibrahim is different. The story of Noah is different. You do not have anything about Luqman for example. And many others.  Stop being dishonest in your dialogue. Ojooro man.

Seriously searching for the truth

And you have to go to Grail Message for that. Read what M_Nwankwo wrote below. You need to open your eyes, man. I mean the eyes of your soul. You do have a soul, don't you?





[m_nwankwo]« #87 on: Today at 03:03:16 PM »  
The Grail Message was not copied from the bible or indeed any other sacred texts. The Grail Message contains all Truth and that presupposes that the grains of Truth found in the sacred texts of world religions will be found in the Grail Message. Ofcourse, for a work to claim that it is the WHOLE TRUTH is an extraordinary claim. Serious seekers should examine the Grail Message and come to their own conclusions.
[quote][/quote]Justcool, remember I show you that i disagree with Jesus being son of God, when you asked me to show you one single verse about grail message that i  base my idea on?

M_Nwankwo did not prove me wrong, since he concluded above that grail message was copied from the Bible, and other world religious texts. I bet they copied from Hindu scripts, Buhhdists, taoist, Shintoist, etc as well as Zoroasts, etc.

The guy who I think wrote the Grail Message book is probably Arab! I based my opinion on his name. Definitely not an English man.

Grail Message simply tells me that it believes in everything and then wrap that silly belief around Jesus, in order to do what exactly, is an unknown idea.

@Pataki:« #103 on: Yesterday at 08:55:13 PM »
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You have a distasteful and rancid usage of English. I cannot believe I just developed a slight headache reading the kind of English you have just typed.

Please move back to your Islamic section and let your fellow Islamic brethren congratulate you.[/quote]And since you live in Holland, as a worldly man, you should have appreciated that Samba 123, like the Netherlanders, Germans, French people, etc, whom English language is not a necessary language before they can survive, do not have to speak, write queenisha's or queen's English.

The people of netherland speak and write very rancid/hard english. But I bet if you are going to make a milliom or more from doing business with them, you can not tell the japanese or chinese that they right bad English sentences.

You improvise or you lose the business by being uncouth, unsuffisticated. Just answer the man's question, if you know. Stop given silly excuses, and personal attacks.

You are my OXYGEN, I breathe you in, I breathe you out. . . .

Strange phenomenon.

@Queenisha: « #98 on: Yesterday at 08:32:41 PM »
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The carnal man can never understand the things of the spirit.
How can one cast pearls to a swine and expect them not to be trampled on ?
Your questions are expected of anyone in darkness.
Hopefully you're reading the responses too.[/quote]I just stumbled on this. First thanks for standing up for me against my rambouscious woman, Lady rampant. The has some energy. I like people who stand their ground.

Now tell me, what is the position of Mary to God, or God's position to Mary, if both of them are the parents of Jesus? My dear, you are a very smart woman. It is Oga who is the father of your offspring. It is you who is the mother of Oga's offsprings. What is Oga to you, except the husband and in your language, the resident abunna? What are you to Oga, except the wife, and in your language and style the resident yam to be chopped at anytime?

Baby, explain to me what is the relationship of God with Mary, if you are sure of yourself. My being a carnal man does not make me unable to recognized facts that are under the heavens. What is above heavens, God has made us aware of them. We do not know when the day of Judgement will come for example. Neither did Jesus know it. Neither did Muhammad know it. Neither do Angels know it. Only God Almighty, alone is the Owner of that Information.


If you can not claim that God is the Husband of Mary and that Mary is the Wife of God, then know that this is another thing you should be wondering about, as you are wondering about "how could a God, Jesus, be crying out to Another God?" You see i quoted you without trying to put my own spin to it. I am looking at you in Hijab already. Gradually, you will be turned around.


I know that you have good and strong will and stable conscience. However, you are smart enough to recognize the truth. When Zainab is in New York, sometimes after her 2 or 3 weeks stay in China, starting from this coming weekend, I will put her on the line with you. She will tell you the mercy of God the almighty Allah on her! How she left darkness to Light upon Light.

@May Kelly:
But I back everything up with Qur'an, already. First, since you are a woman, when you are a mother, am almost certain that your husband will be the father of your child, and not just any abitrary man!

So if Mary is the mother of Jesus, and you claim that Jesus is the son of God, assuming that the gender of Mary is not the same as God's, then what is the relationship of God with Mary?

Please tell me, if you say God is the father of Jesus, and mary is surely the mother of Jesus. Dont be shy about it. Be bold. Be honest. Be frank and direct. Whats God to Mary? Whats Mary to God?

@Justcool:« #81 on: Yesterday at 10:55:27 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 02:31:58 PM
@KunleOshob and others: It is grail message that you people will now find guidance? There is no true guidance in Bible and definitely, it is even worse in the grail message (unfortunately I tend to want to call it gray flannel, but I am fighting the urge, hard). This grail message is the stepping stone to occultizm, if not it already. Its a convolution of idea that centres not on God Almighty, but denial of His true essence. It is claiming that God will never punish. That will be wrong.


@Olabowale
All that you claimed above are false, born out of your imagination and hatred. Can you provide just one verse from the Grail Message that authenticates your claims?
Why do you fight against, or make allegations against a book that you have not read??
Your claims sound like the[b] outrageous outcry of the masses against Jesus the son of God. The masses shouted "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!" eventhough none could provide any real evidence that Jesus ever did wrong.[/b]

My advice to you is this:
Civilized people don't just join the masses, civilized people examine issues by themselves and then make an informed decision based on their personal examination. Any claim and accusation based on hearsay is nothing but dishonesty or false accusation.
Strive to become honest in all your dealings!

Thanks and remain blessed.

Alhamdulillah. Justcool, when God the Almighty Allah was going to bring me victory, he made you write down the parts that I enboldened. The case of saying Jesus is son of God is enough as my proof. You got it from your grail message, didn't you?

I do not have to see a filt, (Human excrement), before I know am near an open sewer, a treatment plant or just Shalanga, Yiani, Shosho, Sarabe, etc (courtesy of old Fela song lyrics). The stench is enough.

I have read enough from what M_Nwankwo put forward, and then people like you. You guys copy the ideas in the Bible about Jesus and God. Except that you deny, comfortably that God does not punish, since you consider punishment as evil thing.

Or has there been a situation that a former Christian converted to Islam, and continues to have his Christian first name and his father's name is Islamic? Is there any sense in it, except the family was muslim, always the reason they have a muslim name? And the convertion must have been a fake one, since the last name betrays it? If it is a person claiming to have converted to Islam, am sure the eyes and the faculties of everyone will know that it is a lie with this type of name set up.

@Cool4NY: No one cares for his convertion to disbelief! this is the condition of his heart. The decision is his own concern. Death will catch up with everyone of us. then llah will separate the good from the not good, in the Day of judgement.

@Cool4Ny:

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Quote from: asamuel on June 30, 2008, 07:36 PM
My name is Abdulazeez Samuel. I was a Muslim before I became a Christian. Don't even go to Havard. I would be glad to tell you why it doesn't pay to be a muslim. Religion does not deliver from sin, only faith in the atoning work of Christ does.
So, don't be confused if anyone missed his road at Harvard.


I will advise you not to post your details on the net, this people can come after you for converting to Christianity, anyway you are welcome to the light and is not too late for adebowale too and any Christian that want to convert to islam is free to do so. yes, i mean any christian that want to convert is FREE to do so. Christianity is a peaceful religion and you are allowed to choose who u want to believe.

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NA today??

Since Mr. Samuel (If this guy's first name is Abdelazzez, how is his last name, or Surname Samule, if he has come from an Islamic family? We should be able to reflect about the truth of "Abdulazzez," the Christian.

There is no muslim family named Samuel! We see the lies of this dude), believes in the work of Jesus as the only atoning thing from sin, then who is the atoning person atoning before, Jesus or God Almighty?

It is not possible that Jesus do good work for atonement of his believers, except that there is another entity that will examine/check that atoning benefit on the individual. That another Entity is God.

It is God Almighty that we in Islam worship. It is God that we have personal connection with, without anyone in between. It is that God that we in Islam, along with Muhammad (as) His last messenger have connection with. Our connection is direct.



Mr. Samuel, bearing a christian last name, while your first name is still Islamic, is your father still a muslim, with such a strange name, while you are not ashamed, to continue to bear Islamic first name, still?

Now I need to tell you that no bearer of burden will bear the burden of another. All the good word of jesus was for his own benefit, alone. For his own soul, and a proof that he was a prophet to the children of Israel.

You will and no one can force Jesus to bear a burden that does not belong to him; the burdens of other individuals. Its ironic that the disciples of Jesus did not think like this and wile jesus was alive did not propose this hypothesis.

If he didn't and his 12 disciples did not think about his work as a saving grace or atonement for their persons, then how do you come to this strange conclusion?



Should we not ask why Judas Iscariot who should benefit from the good wrk of Jesus, and also followed all the commandments of Jesus to a "T," including the betrayal all of a sudden lost it all and forgot the "atoning from sin, the good work of this same Jesus?"

Should Iscariot not have been the testing group, the very litmus for this? Is there a better incident to have been right to prove it, especially since he was a good follower, up the last and only terrible deed?

@KarmaMod:

How did I change everything? You never even replied what she wrote

Since you did not get me, and maybe ~Lady~ did not as well, she, you and everyone of the beautiful and not so beautiful, if there is any in the house, Christian dames need to be liberated by Islam of One Supreme God, from 3 in 1 mini-gods. Now read all that I said will be the other things you will find in the Bible that Islam will liberate you ladies from. (being under your husband as our focus of respect, while he is not obligated to respect you, the pain of childbearing because of your original sin, Adam statement of, its this woman you put here with me,, !).

@Queenisha:« #6 on: Yesterday at 02:20:27 PM »
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from: rampant on Yesterday at 02:15:00 PM
take a chill pill anumanu i know i always hurt your feelings wt my replies,but who cares? you're a psycho and im sure u will soon be promoted to the level of unending -madness,so y should i bother myself


welu nwayo nwanne m nwanyi.
olabowole bu dimkpa nwoke.
Onwere ike ibu age mate papa gi ha
I nu
meere ya ebere
agwazina ya okwu ojoo

adanma[/quote]That was insult? I did not feel a thing. First i had to laugh, because Queenisha broke into real Nigerian language. That was interesting. I had just finished talking to Zainab, and I was just going to send it to her email to read, so that i could know the meaning. Well i will not do that. And i am not upset.

Posted on: Yesterday at 10:47:39 PMPosted by: Queenisha
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WWMD
what will Mohammed do ?

(3) March 624: Asma bint Marwan

She was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans. She composed a poem blaming them for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise. Perhaps in March 624, when the Allah—inspired Prophet heard what she had said, he asked, 'Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?' A member of her husband's tribe volunteered and crept into her house that night. She had five children, and the youngest was sleeping at her breast. The assassin gently removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep. [5]

What if I told you about preemptive strike. Is that a good military strategy or that was just cruelty? Queenisha, when a person declares war against you, or inspires a person to fight you, please consider the inspirator your enemy. For if she or he has a chance to do you any form of harm, it will be done without batting an eye!

Now the woman who used what the arabs at that time were known for, poetry to inspire enemity towards my noble prophet deserved death! For what she had said was that they should have attacked him by surprise, then she deserved death. Queenisha, let me warn you as a good friend, when you hear any of your patient encouraging people to do any harm to you, call the cops, right away.

There is a saying that whatever locks in the heart, is what comes out when a person is drunk. Just imagine how long that evil woman had kept that thought in her heart until God revealed it? She was not killed for blasphamy, but threatening the life and encouraging other to intend to do harm against the person of Muhammad (AS). She qualified him as a stranger so that they will have less love and attachment to him!

KarmaMod: Read our dialogue from the beginning. She said liberate and not berated! Then I said Not yet liberated. You in your slickster style changed everything. Put everything into a tail spin. Where are you in the city. send me your email and I will send you my number and you can call.

@~Lady~:Posted on: Today at 08:46:18 PM

Question, is Abraham the father of Isaac? Or was there another man that is the father of Isaac? Is Isaac the father of Jacon or was it another man? Is Jacob (Isreal) the father of the Isrealites or was it another man?
If Abraham was the father of Isaac, and Isaac the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of the Isrealites (Jews) then wouldn't that make Abraham the father of the Jews?
Now who lacks reasoning.

It is you who lacks reasoning, because you would have noticed that Isaac had a big brother, whose name was Ismail. Ismail was much beloved by Ibrahim, far more and could not be less than Isaac was beloved to him. Let me prove it to you. The first child of any parent is always the biggest excitement for the parents among all the children. Why, it brings that parent the first taste of parenthood. I am now talking from experience. That experience you still lack. lol. In this case you must therefore understand that the Children of israel could not have a better or greater claim to Ibrahim that the Arabs, who are the children of Ismail. Now dig that!

You know I read the sura that said that Abraham was a muslim and tried to justified it here:

"O People of the Bok! why do you dispute about Abraham, when the Torah and the ospel were not revealed till after him; do you not then understand? behold! you are they who disputed about that of which you had knowledge; why then do you dispute about that of which you have no knowledge? And Allah knows while you do not know. Abraham was not a Jew or a Christian but he was (an) upright man a muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists. Most surely the nearest of the people to Abraham are those who followed him and this Prophet Muhammad and those who believe and Allah is the guardian of the believers" Sura 3:65-68.

So the question is this. If ABraham was not a Jew because the Torah was not revealed until after he lived, and he wasn't a Christian because the Gospel was not revealed until after he lived, how then is he a muslim, if the quran was not revealed until after the Torah and the Gospel and until after Abraham lived?

Talk about illogical muslims.

If it is because he was an upright man, then he could have easily been a Jew or a Christian. On the basis that the book was not revealed until after his death, he is not a muslim either.

I do not want to waste too much time on this. But watch this, muslims are also known as muminu, when their iman is very high. Muslims are also called hanifan, upright, muslims are also called ghafir, toyibin, and many others. Islam simple means the way of seeking obedience to Allah, and muslims are just those who do this. In Surah An am, you read that Ibrahim made prayer and declared that he was the first to submit, in his generation as muslim. It is not surprising since he is a prophet/messenger. In Surah Araf, you read Moses say that he is the first of the mumin. Adam said he turned to God as he seeked repentance from the Merciful, Al Rahim.

Let me turn it around for you. You are ~Lady~ to most people on Nairaland. I also know you by your full name. Your friends in scholl know you as that student who sits always, in the from row, in the middle of the class. The professor knows you also by your SS number. The friends, your bossom buddies know you as that friendly person. Then we come to your home, your aunt knows you as her niece. Your cousins as their cousin. Then your siblings know you as their big sister and yet your parent knows you as a first born child. Now all of these descriptions represent only one person, you. But in my family, you are not a daughter or niece, etc. Now put Ibrahim to that in Islam. Islam in mankind began with Adam and no t later. And ibrahim came after Adam an not before. This you could not say for Judaism or Christianity.

You also forgot that ISLAM was NOT a religion in his time. Lol at Abraham being an Iraqi. Iraq never existed at that time, Where Iraq is where the Babylonians were, and still that was after Abraham's time. Abraham did not even settle anywhere close to that area. His burial place was in Macpelah facing Mamre (present day Hebron) well we know where Hebron is or do I need to educate you on that.

It would be nice if you could actually use history and geography to prove me wrong. So no need to beat around the bush calling each other names, just use history and geography to prove me wrong.

Let me help you with geography: Ur was an ancient city in present day Iraq. Thats where ibrahim came from. Now you need only have to go back to US invasion in 2003. You will see that they spoke about , especially about the looting of antiquities.

Alhaji first of all go and grow up, learn to reason like an adult. Between you and David who is the father and who is the son?
Second, no one denies the crusades, even though it was in self defense I do not condone it. The Pope has apologised for it, but you see we still don't continue in killings of innocent people. You're religion however, is based on that. The killing of innocent people. The Christians did not attack anyone, and for more than 3 centuries took the beating from muslims. You come to me and tell me that you are my friend yet you have it in your mind to kill me, you expect me to accept you?
No one says that what the Jews are doing are right. I think they can very well get along without this whole religious dispute. But it's not going to be that, because for the muslims it is all about religion, as well as for the Jews, you both are as guilty as ever.
The crusaders captured Jerusalem at first until it returned to muslims.
So it worked.

The relationship between me and david is special. You will not understand. Now lets get back to the religion. Not killing innocent people: Where do you want me to begin? In the first gulf war, definitely you are too young to remember, there were bombs with a lot of hatred agaist islam, scribbled on the sides for everyone to see. All of them dropped on iraqis and innocent muslims were killed. Now tell me how current do you want me to be? Even now, muslims are dying at the hands of non-muslims just because they are muslims and nothing else. Baby, I have been alive longer and i know a thing or two that will take you a generation or more to know!

Wahhabists existed before 9/11 so did the taliban, and hezbollah, and al qaeda. It is one thing to say that they are just a religious group, but they are being funded by muslim nations, that makes it political.

I thibk you need to read what i said, again. Wahhabists were in existence since Ithey started their group. That does not mean that it is known by most Muslims. Just like the fact that I did not know the tablig jamaah until 1998. But they have been in existence a lot longer. hats what i said. Read it again.

Then you are not a muslim. Your quran calls you to do so.

Show me in the Qur'an where muslims are instructed to destroy pigs and or churches? Are you okay, babe? And by the way, I have prayed Islamic prayer in a church in Manhattan, many times.

Well I can certainly agree with you on this, especially on the Jews. But take note not all Christian missions are to turn people into Christianity, especially the Catholic missions. We are to help people, if you want to convert fine, if not, fine. You will still eat, and drink, and bathe, and have aplace to live, and have a school to attend. Point is to help people.

Can you tell me how the Congolese feel about the Belgian Catholics, or the Algerians feel about the catholic French who almost anihilated them? I am not even going to touch the Spaniards over many spanish south americans.

Hmm look at that, you are adopting a Christian view of things. I thought a relationship with Allah is not possible.

Read it again; we do not install a patron, or a go between, in our relationship with God. We are unlike you, woman with the son in between, taking your prayer or your service to god. We on the other hand have direct relationship with God!.

Baby, you have to wake up pretty early to win this conversation.