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I know He is One, and not two, or three, etc. I know that He is Creator and everything else is created. I know that He is not related to anything, seen and or unseen, known and or unknown. I know everyone depends on Him. I know He is the Only True Object of Worship, etc, etc, etc.

@Lucabrasi: Your Cruxifix, is your amulet! Lucabrasi, dude, I thought you will be one of the few huma beings who believe not, in the amulet. But of course, the amulet in your heart is Jesus. Either way, you are amulet bound.

And by the way, you have never heard be inure muslims from deeds that are evil.

And all of you will claim, later that you believe in Trinity. Yet you have the notion of potion, amulet, goodluck charm, etc, etc. How real is your belief? Zero. If the 3 gods can help you, with their combined efforts, and you still need the extra source to make it happen, maybe, then know that Allah is sufficient for whomever He wills.

@Deepzone:

Eni ba m'ore Jesu ko wa jo o

Ijo lo tun kon?? What is the Ore; name one that you are absolutely sure of? Abaa joo, to fe fi wa gbemi lo si "Crusade" e.

@Deepzone:

Accept Islam? That sounds wierd!!! Have you heard us say accept Christianity before? I thought you would've asked me to accept Mohammed, how can someone accept a religion as her personal savior?

Islam is more important than Muhammad, (AS). While Islam was perfected, completed on his watch as the prophet, he and all the past prophets were muslims, preaching Islam in different level of Sharia, the Sunnah of Allah; Laa ilaha ilallah.

No one can save you but God Allah the Almighty, alone. Remember the aleged cry of Jesus on the cross and his prayers for salvation, at the Garden of Geshamane? That tells you that he Jesus recognized a different savior. Unfortunately, because you have a bad understanding of his mission, courtesy of Paul and co, you took Jesus as your savior. This is wrong. He will not be able to save you, because he wasn't able to save himself, the only reason he called on the true Savior, Lord God Almighty Allah.

Note that Jesus did not say father in either of the two places. He said Lord/God.

Jesus was a Muslim? Says who? Christians are followers of Christ, Mohammedians/Jihadians should be followers of Mohammed A.K.A ISA.

Muslim is also known by many other names, Munimu (believer), Ghafir (the one who ask for forgiveness), Hanifan (the one who believes and depends solely on One God without compromising such a belief), etc. Is Jesus subordinate relationship with his Lord God, less than any of these? Did he pray to Lord God? Did he not keep the commandments and the laws from Lord God? If all of these are true, then Jesus was a muslim. A prophet of God. Was Jesus a christian? Was his religion different from the religion of Noah? Was Noah's religion different from Adams? If the answer is no, then know that they were neither Jews nor Christians in religion, but Muslims, Hanifans.

If Christians claim to be followers of Christian, that is just a claim, with no truth in it. Read your Bible, again. You will see in Mark 12 Verse 29, where Jesus said his Lord God is only One! And Jesus aint that Lord God, babe. And there is nothing in Islam called muhammadian/Jihadians, etc. These and others are your statements of falsehood, just like your claims of Trinity or followership of Christ, etc. Finally, in Islam, Jesus is known as Isa, in the Arabic language. Yes Muslims are followers of Muhammad, Isa, and all the other previous prophets (AS).

!Hardballer: Your guess is as good as mine.

@Leilah: I pray that Allah, who made the condition of my mother, easy enough to accept Islam, the Al Qahar who made the father of Babs787 accepted Islam before his death (ra), will turn your life around and all those people like you have abandoned Islam. I ask Him to soften your heart, as He had softened the hearts of those whom He softened in the past, so that they died as believers. May He make your condition, and all those who have abandoned Islam, for the moment return to Al Fitra, where you will enter Islam, completely.


In the maintime, do not forget to ask Allah, to help you. To give you strength. Allah says in the Qur'an that He never changes the condition of a people, until they begin to help themselve in the direction of the change desired. Make little wudu, when you go to the bathroom. Do not use the bathroom and walk out like a disbeliever, a cattle.

Soon, adopt the effort of making proper wudu. God willing, before long, you will begin to make the Farida prayers. Sunnah prayers may be left alone, until your body can take it. Allah never burdens a soul more than the soul can handle. Salah is not an all day event. It only takes 5 minutes, almost, each time. Ramadan is coming, this should be a time that you encourage yourself to finally come into the universal fold of Islam.

I pray that Allah accept all the duas of those who wish their family members to enter Islam, along with the duas of those who are struggling to return into the brotherhood and sisterhood of Islam.

@GOD_LOVES:

ayinba1

The Bible tells us that only those who do not accept Jesus Christ as their savior shall go to hell. Well all shall see death, that is true, but only those who have called upon Christ shall not see Hell.

That applied only in his days, before Muhammad. Same thing with Moses in his days before Jesus, a major messenger prophet. Jesus is the same as Moses; a localised messenger prophet, savior. There is no universality to him. None.

@~Lady~:

A word is enough for the wise. Unfortunately a word is not enough for you.

lol. At least you and David, have a common enemy; me. I know you have to go on and on, before I begin to get the hint.
When I grow up, i want to be wise just like you.

@~Lady~

« #27 on: Today at 08:06:24 PM »
Do you really want me to answer this question because it would lead to you dodging the historical truth.
Are these people free to study Islam the way they do, absolutely not. You know very well that these people face persecution especially in the muslim lands.

And if you do not know about the Muslim lands, you are very familiar with America, for sure. Tell me who amongst the muslims of america or indeed the world over have persecuted farakkan and his nation of Islam? You should be sincere in your post. How is it that anyone knows about the Ahmadiyyan movement, that started in India and has taken some roots in most of Asia and Africa? Has any Nigerian muslims persecuted them in Nigeria? For a long time now, they have their secondary school in Lagos. Please woman, stop saying things you can not substantiate.





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I actually do. I am dead to the world, and now I live in Christ.[/quote]No you don't! If you do, give us a reason or two that we will know that you are. For me I emulate Muhammad by loving women, perfume, etc. I also emulate Jesus by keeping a full beard, covering my private area, with roomy clothing, praying to God, my Lord who is One (ala Mark 12 verse 29). I wanna know how you emulate Jesus about death. Or even forsaking marriage. I am not encouraging you to emulate Jesus in the matter of marriage. Okay? lol.






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Ofcourse I am. I expected better from you and did hold you in high regards. But you resorted to lie.
Stingy in what? You lied and I expected better from you. Ofcourse you've lied before, and I didn't pay attention to it because we are all sinners, but you took it too far. You do have to apologise.[/quote]I have been asking you to tell the whole world what lie did I tell you. Just saying I lied is not good enough, now that the burden of proof is on you. Tell everyone, all the lies, because I wanna know them, too. What am I going to apologise for, when you refuse to tell me what are my reasons for apology? Maybe you are bamboozoing me. I understand. You are a woman. And the Yorubas say that there is not little woman. I know you will get over your anger. I hate to see a woman get angry. Its like a big storm, a stormy and choppy sea. I can't deal with it, so snap out of it.

@Davidylan: I am that lazy. So explain it, here and now. Alhamdulillah. I am grateful that I am a slave of Allah.

Toka ni mo fe ko. Yoruba shoro koo.

@Olowo tee: Toki si otito kon to so? Mo nduro, ki nto lo kirun aila! lol. At least i am helping myself to Nigerianness on this board, writing in yoruba, sometimes.

@Beline:

« #180 on: Today at 04:53:04 PM »
For those that brought the issue of fig tree, no one has ever eaten from that tree and Christ curse it because it was a waste on the land that would have been used for another thing, that tells us what will happen to the pretenders who paralate themselves as Christ's followers on the last day. so please lets stop interpreting bible on the face value.

How can you derive from a figtree that is leavy, and has no fruits on it, in the off season, that it is a waste on the land? Do mango tree fruit of season? If any tree produces off its season, would that not be a phenom? in this case, shouldn't the prophet perform a miracle and commanding the tree to fruit right there because he needs to eat from it?

That would have been something, instead of killing it. Where is the mercy in there? Also where is the mercy on the thief that did not acknowledge him on the cross? If you are merciful, the mercy should be expressed on those who have not worked to merit it. Example was that thief, and the other just received what he deserved.

@Davidylan:

Olabowale keep quiet. Go and preach islam in your own forum rather than pretending to be asking questions.

lol. The whole idea is preach islam to you. Don't be angry with me. Pele, Baba.

@Davidylan:
After you explain Mark 12 verse 29 and Trinity in the light of the bible is plain and Jesus didd not lie. I will then keep quite and or move to Muslim Threads. I bet you can do it, except that your whole statement becomes like house of playing cards!

@JeSoul:

Alhaji you don come again . All things being equal I would respond to your questions but I know it will not make a difference.
Make I ask you sef this question, why do you insist and persist in "questioning" christianity? does this not bother you? have you ever wondered why you do this? you don't see me going round constantly berating islam so why your obsession with Christ? eh my dear Alhaji?

First I do not berate Christianity. However I challenge them to think about what they are saying about Jesus, at the same time diminishing other prophets, and unfortunately the essence of God. That is not even touch on the disregard of
Muhammad! Again, I am not bothered and not wondering about my agitating the conscience of the Christians. Afterall, we all human beings. I want good for each as much as I want for myself. And Christ, son of Mary is also my prophet (as)

by the way how's my Olayiwola?

He is well! Thank God. And am sure you are doing well, too. Your parents are fortunate folks. Thank God.





[OlowoTee (f)]« #28 on: Today at 01:42:25 PM »

Quote from: JeSoul on Today at 01:15:31 PM
Alhaji you don come again . All things being equal I would respond to your questions but I know it will not make a difference.
Make I ask you sef this question, why do you insist and persist in "questioning" christianity? does this not bother you? have you ever wondered why you do this?


i tire o o
He criticises chrisitianity easily, but if anyone does that to his religion. . . .there'd be lots of threatenings!! .

Ori wipe iwa iwo sisi yi o daa! Have you seen me threatening anyone? Tabi ara e o ro, afi ti nba deru baa e? lol. Loo fee oko. Thats a good threat for you. What I am not, don't tag me with it. I am about good conversation. Provoking thoughts.




@ Missy B :
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Jesoul
heheheh, d xact part i wanted to quote from Olowotee.


If he likes,let him threaten frm today till allah comes that if e eva wil/can Jesus comes.I'm patiently waitin for a day when i wil have enough time to show him why God is God above evry other god even allah.
[quote][/quote]Missy B, Allah does not come to anyone. People will have to return to Him. Inna lillahi wa inna ilehi rajiun; It is from Allah we come and it is to Him our return. That includes the return of Jesus, back to Him. And I am patiently waiting for the same day. But dont keep me waiting. The years are going very fast. So hurry. lol. I don't want empty rhetorics.

@Missy B:
Read the Qur'an. Allah says that those who believe in their religion, and then revert in beleif to Islam, they will have a double reward;

First for believing in their old religion, and, when they learnt of the truth of Islam,
second, they plunge into it, completely, without hesitation. They in accepting Islam thereby leaving behind the former the former religion gain all the work of the old religion turned to good in their record. They will not start from zero or negative, but positive, amounting to all that was in their record just before coming to islam. Then the good that they will be accumulating as they start in the path of islam.

Unlike Christianity, a bad thought that is never carried out is not recorded. All good deeds are multiplied by at least 10. And when a bad deed is done, a good deed done immediately over it, wipes it out with seeking the mercy of Allah, supplicating.

And finally, Missy B, i no get cross. infact I hate una cross. When christian associates say that they keep their fingers crossed, I alway say to them; don't do that, because it will be difficult to get anything done like that. I take thing, literally

@MissyB:
You can't answer it.

@Davidylan:

« #37 on: Yesterday at 04:36:01 PM »
Did you read these fundamental words of Christ? Matthew 10:34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

How can he, therefore, be termed a "peaceful man, the lamb?" To call a man who clearly and unequivocably declared a "potential war," or, at least one to take place in the future, a nonviolent man is completely a deceitful utterance.

However, I must note that after all the said preparation of war, the purchases of swords, from the proceed of sales of their garments, they could not even wage any war! No one was killed, excepts those who committed suicide(s). The leader was captured, with a hint of struggle. Thats bad military preparation. The strategy is flwed and no good execution of military protocols of war.

This reminds me about the coming Comforter, Paraclete? If we think about the much preparation for war, that ended up in the arrest and prosecution of Jesus, compared to the unpreparedness, but went ahead anyway, yet victoriously traunced the Makkans in the battle of Badr, we will see that the Comforter was no darn unseen spirit. But a human being who fulfilled, even the war(s) that Jesus prepared for!

We must remember that he said, "and he will remind you of me; what I have said!" David, the Bible is plain and Jesus did not lie!? Oya.

@Huxley: They don't have an answer for your question. Its very ambiquous. Difficult . I think that ~Lady~ was trying to specify what is a general quality of a kind human being for Christian, against all the odd. However, if the same is asked of a Muslim, he will give you the first 5 verses of Surah Baqarah, minus, the ILaaam Miiim. Then he will go to Surah Muminu, and Ghafir. Definitely, in these places you will have answers that satisfy, sufficiently the inquiring minds. In Surah An Am, you will read the actions of a muslims, as expected, in the declaration of Ibrahim (AS). In Surah Araf, you will read about the supplication/mercy seeking statement of Moses in his declaration as a Mumin.


@~Lady~:

« #11 on: Today at 04:58:57 AM »
Because there are too many self ordained men and women of God. And because Christianity is truly about peace no one goes around beating the living daylight out of them. Now I bet you they can't do that with Islam, oh no, they will surely die.

Have you heard about the Ahmadiyyah movement, worldwide? Have you heard ofthe Nation of Islam, which "Minister" Louis Farakkan is the head? Have you heard of the 5%ers? Have you heard of the Nubian or Nubian Muslims, which "Dr." York, now in Prison in Atlanta was the head when they used to be in Bushwick section of Brooklyn in the 70s and the early 80s? And surprisingly, no one have killed them. Also in Middle East, especially in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq, there are handful of others, like the Drus, etc, who are neither generally classified as Shia or Sunni.

But hey everyone wants to make a mockery of Christianity.

If you really want to know who a true Christian is, go to the Bible and it will tell you.
Then look for it in those you meet. trust me you will know them. Those who help you without expecting something in return are true Christians, those who will be nice to you even after you insult them (they may be angry for a while, but won't hold malice with you) they're true christians, those who have a love for Christ to live as he did and stick to te commandments, they are true christians. but most of all those who are sinners and get themselves up rather than wallow in their sin are true christians. those who can forgive from the heart, not just others but themselves too.
those who love you even if they don't know you.

Almost all of these qualities that you listed are practiced by others, including the Buhhdists. But you fail to emulate Jesus when it came to death. Why? I thought you love Jesus that much and nothing you would not do for him, because of what he has done for you? I hope you are not truly mad with me and please restore back the respect you said you lost for me. You should not be stingy, woman. I am still waiting for that day that you will say, look man I already restore back the respect.

@JeSoul:

« #14 on: Yesterday at 03:12:05 PM »
na wa oh wonders shall never cease, a 'christian' that does not read/use the bible? please stop fooling yourself, you don't fit the biblical description/definition of who a true christian is.

Who should have the greatest right to define what a Christian should be; Christ or any other person or group of persons? From your Bible, quote for me, the qualities that a true Christian should have. Then do me another favor; who gave in the Bible the description/definition of who a true Christian is, or should be? Am certain it will not be Jesus, or any of this 12 disciples. Sorry, 11 disciples, since Judas Iscariot killed himself. I sense it will be Paul. Correct me, please.

Davidylan:

1. 1 John 2: 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
- Christ means - the messiah, the anointed one, the saviour.

Bible is plain an Jesus never lied, you said on another thread. Then how is it that at the crucial points, Jesus declared that God is his God and there was no mentioning Him to be his Father? In Mark 12 Verse 29, and, on the cross, his last cry before hegave up the "ghost!"

That means every anoited is messiah, a savior? Or what does it mean to be anointed? I recall a tree and a stone/rock being called anointed, a christian or Jewish messiah?

Anti-christ is described in specific details and the circumstances that will surround him are well known, in Islam. Tell us your christian understanding of this person, anti-christ. And be very detail.

2. Someone said on another thread - islam itself is a whole massive reaction to christianity. Without christianity it has no identity.

No truer words have been said on this board.

And the dails that are specific to the christians, eg, Churches, the apostles, Paul, Peter, etc, Sunday services, and others, Pastors, Reverend, ArchBishop, Pope, etc, none of these is mentioned in the Qur'an. The things that are mentioned are part of human history. FOr example the Hindus have the name of Jesus in their Book.

Are they also clamouring for validations or reactionarists to Christianity? Do the Hundus now have identity because the name of Jesus occurred in their Holy Book? What if I tell you that the name of Muhammad, also occurred in there, with better detail, because his mother's name was mentioned.

To a liar lies will be true statement.

@Davidylan:

« #33 on: Yesterday at 04:05:36 PM »
I noticed it took you so so many hours to post a rejoinder even though you still stayed around to respond to Olabowale's foolishness.

My disappointment with your first rejoinder remains the same - full of sarcasm, perhaps to hide your lack of knowledge while claiming to be asking for facts. The bible is plain, Christ does not lie.

I pay you no mind, sometimes. But I must confess that one thing or the other is the case if you compare Mark 12 Verse 29 to the none issue Trinity. If the Bible is plain, it means there is no need for interpretation. If the Bible is plain and if it does not exist on its pages, it means it does not exist. Come on mr. man.

@PastorAIO:

Me too I like Turkey, I can't wait for the opportunity to visit Istanbul. But what exactly are you saying here.

Unfortunately, you betray your dishonesty by your response. Note that I said "eat." Do you eat the country Turkey? Come on, man.





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Pastor, this is your case. What is doing you is many, but you don't know it yet. One of them is assumption without any supporting reasons and the other is probably deceiption or the typical pastor game process of conversation with unbelievers like the muslims. If you know what you call the satanic verses, you will know that they are in Surah Najm! But considering that there are many verses in that Surah, the influence of Satan in twisting the tongue was a temporary test from God Almighty Allah.

How do you know that the entire edifice of Islam is not a test from the almighty to see if you will be swayed away from the truth of christianity?[/quote]Christianity? Tell me exactly where Islam merges with Christianity, if only for a moment? The first verses revealed are not the beginning of Qur'an. Suratul Fatiah speaks about Christianity as the people astray. Christianity preached 3 gods. Islam is the antithesis of Christianity. Now tell me if you are truthful, where the test is? Your pastoral training is leaking all over the places. You remind me of that Yoruba guy in England. Some former Muslim pastor. Joshua is his name. He had the audacity to say that Muhammad practiced some form of christianity! I almost jumped. He was selling his lies to the gullible southern people of Atlanta. Is that you pastor, Joshua with a Yoruba last name?







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Yoruba English! My brother, the yoruba are noted for their expert use of many rhetorical devices, especially the use of proverbs. To the extent that we say that if the idea is lost (ie it is hard to grasp) then proverbs will find it (make it graspable). Proverbs are the vehicle for ideas. Owe ni eshin oro.
Now while I wouldn't claim to be an agbedegbeyo by any stretch of the imagination I feel the need to advice you to suspend the use of allegories when you are discussing. Your use of Allegory is just so terrible.[/quote]I use similitude. Not allegory. But since you are a christian pastor, you are fond of interpretaition, no wonder my speech is terrible.

You are better off just saying what you want to say directly. Dinner tables? Turkeys? But you want to avoid bird because You didn't know Turkey was turkey.

See how plain your dishonesty is? Read my piece, again. About eating I made it clear that to assume that the whole bird fkesh could not therefore be assumed to be Turkey, unless you verify. Remember this was my response about your raising some doubt about how many more verses of the Qur'an may not have come come from Allah, since the Satan twisted some words on the tongue of the prophet.

Are you saying that Mohammed didn't know that the satanic verses were Turkey and he thought he was eating beef, but after he realised he decided to ask the host before he ate another bird. Dear o dear o dear. I don't know where to start with all of that.

Unfortunately, your jokes here fall flat! It simply shows dishonesty. I wonder what you will say about Jesus been driven into the wilderness by satan, then followed by 3 temptations? Or what knowledge is lacked when the fig tree is cursed because it did not have any fruit, out of the season of fig fruits?

Perhaps if . . . hmmm, I don't know whether you like this idea. . . . But if you really want to learn the proper use of allegory you will never find a better model to follow than Jesus Christ himself. Check out any of the parables. The message in them hits you loud and clear. Straight to the heart. Your spirit will respond to it. The striking thing about them is their simplicity. None of that Turkeys and dinner tables full of many dishes contorted scenarios. meat beaf and whatnot.

Perhaps you will now tell me what is allegorical about Mark 12 verse 29. Maybe you will interprete it for me. I need facts, man. Only the fact, not fat. I use similitude, and the allegory is left for the christians.





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You know what? I have seriously considered giving up the term Christian because I feel it is almost a meaningless term now with the amount of people using it. I am what I am. A rose by any other name would smell just a sweet.[/quote]I dont know whats rosy about a dandilion that you call a rose. Whatever you adopt while discarding the label Christian, as long as you take the Bible as your religious textbook, yo will remain just that. Further a rose plant will be a weed, undesired in a field of Maize.






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Thank you. This is what I said. To be worshipped does not make you a god. To be a god does not mean that you are worthy of worship. The two are not as intrinsically linked as you seem to think.[/quote]I guess that you agreed with me that Jesus was not worthy of worship, because he was not truly God. But you are too shy to admit it. Pride will lead many to the fire of hell.





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My brother if that is your definition of worship then I worship my mother. Yes, I praise my mother, I supplicate her, I petition her, I keep her memory in my heart always whether she is near me or far, and I do my best to keep the injunctions that she instilled into me from my youth. By your definition I worship my mother. And I am damn proud to say that I do.[/quote]Then who does your mother worship? Rather who truly deserves th e worship of each one of you as you go back to the past, all the way reaching Adam, the father of mankind?







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They are called nichiren Buddhist and the structure is called the gonzho and the chant is Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. I've engaged many of them in conversation and even gone to their meetings. However it is not my place to speak for them. Nor for the onishangos. However if you Ogbeni (Mr) Olabowale were to do me a good turn, I swear to you that I will honour you before anyone that asks me of you. I will praise you and if I were to see you coming down the street from afar, I would quickly go and hire the best Ayans that my money can afford to start beating your oriki to match your footsteps. What ever the oriki of that quarter of Owo that you hail from I will make sure that they beat everything note for note.
Would I have placed you next to God in worship?[/quote]With the way you place everything, who can predict how easily you raise the esteem of any person. In your case, you are like Mickey who eats everything. In your case you can worship anything, knowingly or unknowingly. The Owo thing is my mother's. Every child is from the father. I am therefore an Ijebu Ode boy.





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It feels good to be appreciated. At least you don't think I'm a miserable kuffur who deserves nothing but to feel the slice of an islamic scimitar.[/quote]A kuffar is a kuffar, regardless.





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If you say so.[/quote]I know you take after the Bible. naming everything god!





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Omo iya, You and I have one nourisher and sustainer in the whole world. The Creator who is also our protector. Yet when I was born, my mother fed me. She taught me, she protected me. If she is nothing but a small umbrella under a bigger umbrella then so be it. Me I just know that without my mother I will not be where I am today. I accept that ultimately it is God that has placed me where I am today but he has used my mother by appropriating for her a role to play. This is part of God's plan. To suggest that I don't need my mother because I've got God tells me that you have no idea of God's plan and how God has ordered his administration of the world. We are all here in service of one another. There are gods that serve as lieutenants to God almighty and I am glad to be counted amongst them.[/quote]And Muhammad (AS) was what he was without his mother and his father, but God alone. So was Moses, who was raised by God as his archiest enemies became his babysitters.

@Hardballer:

what dove mane, its jus why would gods name be in meat , bsides the picture of the meat doesnt exactly look like allah if you ask me bbc is jus makin fun of us the headline sais "allah meat ASTOUNDS NIGERIANS"

I wouldn't worry about the English people. They have their traditions and we have ours. Anyone who knows the many styllic ways words in the Qur'an can be written, will not behave foolishly that the arrogant english people. We must not forget that they are by and large non-muslims. It is any surprise that they make their remark as reported?

I wonder what the protestants say about some weeping Catholic statue? The same thing. Yet the Catholic believes in his/her statue's "miracle."

@PastorAIO:

The one that is doing me here is the fact that a seasoned and veteran 'prophet' like Mohammed could not tell God from Devil.  Since he was incapable of making the distinction that leaves me wondering how much more of the koran is also Satanic.  Maybe it is the abrogation that is SAtanic too.  Without a rule or a measure there is just no telling.

If a dinner table is spread and contains many dishes. If several plates of bits and pieces of mean are put in them. I do not eat Turkey for example, but upon taking a pice from a plate and chew it, then discovered that it to be turkey. And i never take a bit of anything that looks like a bird, just to be safe. Can any of the dinner guest thereby assumed that I love Turkey, since i from the time of my discovery only eat beef, etc and not bird? Can I also assume that the rest of the bird-looking flesh is Turkey, unless i ask the the dinner host or the cooks?

Pastor, this is your case. What is doing you is many, but you don't know it yet. One of them is assumption without any supporting reasons and the other is probably deceiption or the typical pastor game process of conversation with unbelievers like the muslims. If you know what you call the satanic verses, you will know that they are in Surah Najm! But considering that there are many verses in that Surah, the influence of Satan in twisting the tongue was a temporary test from God Almighty Allah.

Then you do know that there are over 6000 verses in the Qur'an, and 114 chapters. In the same Qur'an one is instructed about how to get ride of an influence of Satan, at all time. And the recitation of Qur'an is began, always with Audu billahi minal shaitani rajim, meaning I seek refuge in God against the devil who is deprived any blessing, therefore cursed. You should be at least be honest in dialogue.

And when we write about the Bible, we point to you only your deficient understanding of your own Book. I am confident that you can somehow understand that, but may not want to admit it.

I thought you were suggesting that worshippers of buddha were called buddhist  etc correlating the name of a religion with the entity worshipped.  That was why I gave an explanation of Christianity.  I must have misunderstood your question.  To be honest I've noticed recently that it is getting harder to understand you.  Your post and the reasoning in them seem to be soo convoluted.

I write Yoruba english. And for you a Yoruba man, there is no reason for your complaint, unless something hard is doing you. PastorAIO, you make me laugh. When people want to hide behind their finger, they suddenly dont understand.

You seem to define a God as a entity that is worshipped.  By that reasoning then if I were to worship a table then that table would be a God.  I don't agree.  If no one in the world worshipped God, ie if they all became atheist, God will still be God.  Divinity is not defined by whether or not you are worshipped.

If your definition is different from the mainstream Christians, then i wonder whether you really a christian. maybe you have your own religion and just call yourself Christian. And we are talking about Jesus, here. So restrict yourself to that. If Jesus is claimed to be devine, and also god and worshipped, in praises, thanks and supplication, I do not know any other way of classifying him, except what the christians say about him. If it walks, and quacks like a duck, it usually is.  

And just because somebody thinks he is worshipping something does not make that thing a true God! And just somebody says something is devine, does not make that thing trul denive. This is the case of Jesus god and devinity as claimed by Christianity.







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To be a god does not necessarily mean that you have to be worshipped.  Only the Creator is worthy of worship.  Even that word worship, I have not got a straight answer from anybody on Nairaland about what is meant by worship.  Is it prayer?  Don't we pray (petition) to our bank manager when we want to get a loan?  Is it praise?  Don't we praise Didier Drogba when he scores a fantastic goal for Chelsea Football Club.[/quote]Worship means, make prescribed prayers. It included praising, supplicating, petitioning, remembering and keeping the laws and commandments, etc. Do you do all of the above, etc, having Jesus as the object of your worship, aduring him? If the answer is yes, then he is also your god, since God is God anyhow, even if no one is worshipping Him. If you worship Jesus, then at least you now have more than one god, making him a partner with God who has the right of worship.

No, none of the above are worship.  To worship the creator is to conduct yourself according to the rules and laws that he laid down at your creation.  To fulfill your nature and your virtue as he intended it. Only this is acceptable as worship.  You see, only a Creator can be worshipped, because worship is to fulfill the intention of the creator.   Obedience will always supercede all forms of rituals and sacrifices and salahs and pillars and whatnots.
Honour and respect, on the other hand is something that we ought to extend all to each other.

I used to share an apartment with somebody in the Theater, over a decade ago, in NYC. This person was a buhhdist. They have a cubical framed structure with and probably nothing more with it. I did not pay too much attention to it, so i can't accurately describe it. But they will beat a gong and rhymmically hum to it. This structure was the object of worship. The Aborishas or the onishongos or the Abooguns have their own structures. Yet most believed that there is god, too. Just like you. You worship Jesus and you also worship God, however you choose, calling Him a name that pleases you. No wonder you say god the father, a statement that is untrue.







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Back pedal ke!  When did I back pedal.[/quote]At least I like your style. You are not overly sensitive. You are funny, robustly jovial.

I repeat to you that I am divine.  The bible backs me up on this:

THE BOOK OF
PSALMS
PSALM 82
Thus saith the Lord: Ye are gods and children of the Most High.
A PSALM OF ASAPH.
 1 God astandeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
 2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the apersons of the wicked? Selah.
 3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do ajustice to the afflicted and needy.
 4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
 5 They know not, neither will they understand; they awalk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are achildren of the most High.
 7 But ye shall adie like men, and fall like one of the princes.
 8 Arise, O God, ajudge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

And this from John 10

 31 Then the Jews took up astones again to stone him.
 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for ablasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself bGod.
 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are agods?
 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath asanctified, and bsent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the cSon of God?

You see the many types and hues of gods that your Bible hue together? male and female gods. Even inanimated ones, eg stones, trees, etc. Orishi rishi lonshele sie, ala fela Anikulapo. And it is this you want us belief in? Abeg o.






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So yes, I'll answer you yet again, that I am indeed divine, A god.  And you are quite right, I am a god that uses the bathroom and toilet and I get hungry.  God even said that though I am divine I will die and fall like one of the human princes.  Even the gods will face judgement.[/quote]Omoya, you are too flippant with the word god. It does not mean anything or this much a space between two finger tips pressesd together. Unfortunately, your god that does die or did die is not a God. You just called him god, out of your own desires. The reality is different. Just like Baal, the gods will be punished, except that they were not willing gods.

We have been given authority and we will be judged on how we use the authority.  Have we favoured wicked persons?  Have we failed to do justice to the afflicted and the needy?  Each of us have been appropriated a part of God's administration and we will be judged on how we use the authority conferred on us.

There is something in the architecture called a house within ahouse. it simple means a complete apartment with a house that is not designed for multiple dwellings. In this case the house within the main house can not exist and it is not truly a house of its own, except that it is under the main house. All those qualities that you have which has caused you to ascribe , though wrongly, godship to yourself, they are incomplete qualities and under the complete Universal coverage quality of God.

Its like having small umbrellas carried by individuals to shield themselves from the elements, yet they are under an umbrella type structure that covers all of them and still have room left for more, except that there is no one else to come. Which Umbrella is covering the individual in the true sense? It has to be the Big umbrella. This is the case of your being a god versus God the Almighty.

I hope you understand me.

I understand you alright. you are terrible. Now, do you understand me? Ma se bi awon onishongo o!





@Jagoon: She jagun niyen? Okare. You know my myopicism well. Just dont die si gifa, as keferi. Ko ra e sowun. lol.

@~Lady~

The question you asked was assuming a false belief of yours. I had to correct you on your false belief. Like I have always said, ask questions about Christianity and not what your beliefs of Christianity are.

Woman, stop preaching and answer the questions! Unlike you I don't read minds. I ask you questions about what your religions is porported to be. All you do is beat around the bush.

I like you, but i am not shy to point out your apparent fault; your religion doctrine talks about three distinctive gods; separate but equal.


Separate but equal reminds me of school desegregations in the USA. The separate but equal school are never the same school by name, location of building, student roasters, etc. How then can you accept that concept in this case and deny it when it comes to Jesus, God and Holy ghost?

You know very well that Christ spoke of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. You know very well that he called himself the Son. You have asked us to show you this in the Bible and we have done so. You have resorted to taking a verse out of context and you repeatedly quote it to prove your point, which it does not prove but you are so blind and are extrememly desperate to have us see things your way.

lol. I know somebody wrote the above in your Bible and claimed it was the statement of Jesus. I also know somebody wrote Mark 12 Verse 29 in your Bible and said it is from Jesus. If both are in your Bible and written by those you claimed are inspired by Christian God.

And if both ideas attached to Jesus are opposing each other. Now the question is this, could Jesus have been speaking with both sides of the mouth, or what? Did somebody wrote a false verse and the other wrote the truth? Which one is true? How then can you tell me which is the truth? Give me straight answer, please.

I have repeatedly told you that the Son, Christ is subject to the Father.

Can a full tenured Professor in the same department be subject to anothe fully tenured professor in the same department? Except that one is the Chairman and he/she swail the 100% authority over other Professors in the department?

But there is only one Chairman. You can't have more than 1 fully empowered chairman, with each having 100% authority. Is that possible? I dont wanna use the dean of each school, versus the lecturers of the same school, as my example.

That will be too obvious, but very appropriate. Then tell me how a god is subjected to another God? Is the subjected god a real god, or just its just for play, a statement that carries no weight?

You keep aking us why Christ said what he said in mark 12 vs. 29 and it disappoints me every time, because it only shows me that basic english you do not comprehend. Christ was not in anyway point that he is not God, and when I questioned you on it, you deliberately skipped my question and have led me to believe you are very deceitful.

And you never stop begging my question on Mark 12 Verse 29. Since i read English well, contrary to your baseless opinion, I wonder what Oh Israel, your God and my God is but One Lord, mean?

This does not need any interpretation, for a mind that can grsp direct and plain written words in English. I am sure you are reading the mind of the speaker, right now. soon you will give it your own twist! Now twist it and provide me with an answer, straight away. I need that answer, now.

Every time I encounter in a discussion with you about Christianiy or Islam, you lie to me and it's led me to have less respect for you. As of this time the only reason why I respect you is because of your age and not because of your intellect, and also because you choose to live out of fear and not out of love.

Now i want you to tell everyone, here and now, one single lie i have told you about Christianity and or Islam. Out of fear; fearing what or who? I told you that or you read my mind or you are interpreting me, just the same way you interprete the Bible verse?

Thats not God. I never gave you any impression that I am fearful of any human. Please don't read any meaning where there is none. If I do not live out of fear, then it must be Love, the other quality that you mentioned.

Christians believe in One God. If that is not clear enough for you then try your best to get your money back on your education.

You or your Bible is lying. Considering that you even pray to Mary, your claim that you believe in 1 God is laughable. No one prays to what they don't worship. Thats why Muslims don't pray to Muhammad. Even when he was alive, no one prayed to him.

Stop it, ~Lady~. I don't have to be educated before i know the different between 1 God, and three different gods of the christians. You need to apply your accounting education/ okay spread sheet to this: Receivable and expenditures do not enter in the same column! Am sure you know that 3 is not the same as 1.

You will ask about how it is that Christ is God and that the Spirit is God.
I tell you that Christ is the Word of God made flesh and that the Spirit is the Spirit of God himself.

If i didn't like you i will simply say bologna. But I am looking down my shows to see how much stain your funkied statement left on my shoes. Am gonna wash it afterward and send you the Bill.

I will deduct it from the money you wagered the fisrt time you wagered. And a taker of fishline is born every minutes. And we believe that the Bible is not authored by a confused mind(s)? Abeg woman, let me hear words.

You won't comprehend this and then I ask you if you think it is impossible, then explain to me how it is that God is separated from his Word and his Spirit.

Am seperate from my word, and I am no more than a creation of Almighty God! Often, you see lawyers recording memos for their secretaries. The lawyers, by this word recorded never get diministed and not the same as the word.

They never were joined at the hip. hey go home and the recording is left in the office for the secretary to deal with the following day.

I remember asking you just to open your eyes, that when this word died as you claimed, did the God who spoke the word also died? You have not been able to answer with some clarity. Can you just do it now, since you feel this bad about my action.

You will completely skip that part because you know that you cannot explain it and then you will move on to something else to discredit Christianity, and I will tell you that you can keep trying but God always protects his Church, it is best for you to quit because you won't win. The Church will stand to the end.

So will hindu, Buhhdist, Judaism, etc and yes, indeed Islam, too. Now tell me have you heard of a foolish american lawman who said that they should bomb Makka, since the "hijackers," were mostly Saudi citizens?

The muslims were so eager, gearing the lawman on to push the idea. You know why the muslims were gearing him on? We all want to have the case of the disaster of the people of the Elephant occur in our own time. The Living Qur'an is ever alive.

You should read the chapter titled "The Elephant." To issue about church does not impress me, since Jesus did not even as a prophet spoke about any and was not familiar with the concept of it. Remembered that he prayed in Temple and not Church?

You will also bring in your own belief that Jesus was just a word "Be" that God said to Mary just as he said to Adam and it is only a command, and I will inform you that this only supports the belief in Christianity that Jesus is the New Adam, the sinless Adam. You won't be able to dismiss that because it is also the belief in Islam that Jesus is sinless and that he was created as Adam was.

You are very comfortable in being deceived. But I will tell you the truth. Perchance, your heart may open up to truth.

I will also inform you that the word for command in rabic is amr, but the word used to describe Jesus as the word is Kelima and it cetainly does not mean command, I'm sure you understand where I am getting to.

You are getting to a bridge to nowhere. Unlike all ancient languages, a word can mean many things depending on its usage. Yet a thing can have many words to describe it. You are not an Arab. Now are you a linguist of that language?

At best you get your incomplete knowledge of Islam from www or your church. When you settle your mind down from this upset condition you have expressed, I will give you some islamic education. I can tell you the veres where you will find the command, Be, which gives us the easy in which the coming to being of Jesus is to God, the Almighty Al Qaliq.

You will also say that Jesus is nothing but a command and a spirit proceeding from God. Then I will ask you to explain how it is that God's Spirit can be anything or anyone other than God Himself. I will remind you that a spirit is the life of the being. How can a being exist without it's life or separate from his life.

If you are defining human being, yes. But when you are defining God the Almighty Who creates all, then the definition is wrong. Go back again and see that God said that He breath His spirit into Adam. Now tell me how best you can explain how the spirit is breath into Adam? Tell me what breath the spirit therefore means?

If it is in the same light as in the way you went aboard with Jesus, then the spirit of God is also Adam! Or you can say Adam is the first ever spirit of God among mankind! Did that make you say that Adam is god? Think about it and see how stubbornly warped you idea is when it comes to Jesus, then.

Was God existing when Jesus experienced the aclaimed death, if he was really the spirit, which is the life of the being, God? Think about it. Someday, I will be collecting all the wagers you made. Now you owe me tons of bets. Dollar, Dollar!

This is why Christianity is always seen as the religion of peace and Islam is not. Peace in Islam does not reach to those who are ubelievers but only to the believers. So who is spreading falsehood here? Oh yeah there are verses in the koran that clearly tell that war should be waged againt all infidels.

You catholic denomination Christian is talking about peace? I think you conveniently forget about all the french speaking african nations under Catholic europe oppressive regimes.

Congo and co. And the word infidel occurs in the pages of the Bible. If i show you, what will you give me? I need to start collecting dividends from you, right about now. But I will wait until you finish that major degree. By then, you would have owe me plenty. And it is Qur'an, and it is you who is spreading falsehood about the places.

Am sure you miss me terribly.

@Tpia:

na ya own forehead dey knock for ground, not mine.

Them don brainwash this one senseless. Na cry you wan cry or wetin?

Uhn? Yes. Na cry I wan cry: Crying for joy that Allah has favored me, and gave me Islam. Cry in sorrow for the many perished souls, even though they are still alive. We the muslims may talk about all of these things, it may just be a lonely cry in the wilderness, without an audience. See how hard is your heart, thinking that its unmanly to cry?

And I repeat: you need to get out more and mix with non-muslims. They wont bite or eat you, so why the fear. Even Saudi Arabians sef na them dey mix with non-Muslims pass.

I got out enough. Mixed with a whole bunch of non-muslims. I do not have to go to night clubs, dance halls or bars, etc before I get out more. And the Arabs is not better than the non-Arabs, (part of the last Sermon of the Prophet (as)).

all these terrorists in training with their narrowminded views.

By the time I am out of training I will be in my 70s, considering that i do not get out more, as you observed already. Darn pure Keferi! Thats my bomb on you. I hope it rattles you silly.

Go to Northern Nigeria and make your noise there during a religious riot- like the almajiri care which religion you are when they're thirsting for blood. When you're running for your life from your fellow muslims, then stop and start preaching all this longwinded jargon you're talking about here.

Since I am not from the northern Nigeria, I care less about the place. Just the same way I care about other parts of where you have Muslims. My first love is yorubaland. Thats where by blood is from. I copy my Prophet, concerning his love for Makka, as he expressed it on his way to Madina. My first true love is ijebu Ode, then Owo, and the Ibadan and then Lagos.

Your bleating ignorance shows through, since you think "the northern Nigeria," dictates the pace of Islam in Nigeria. I see a different viewpoint. Even Saudi or Makka or madina does not dictate the pace of Islam. Saudi as a whole is the costodian of the two holy sites, because they are in their territoty!

Are there no muslims nothern Nigerians? You bet there are! That defeat your idea about northern Muslims.

geez- Nigerians and religion sha. Some will be bamboozling you on one side in the name of religion, while others will be railroading you from the other.

Which camp from the two do you operate these days? I bet I can guess within 50% accuracy that I know which one!

@PastorAIO:

So what should the religion be called? Jehovahism? Or Yahwehity? Christians are so called because they are followers of Christ.

Olojooro! My question was not about name and title. It was simple about who is being worshipped? Don't the Christian worship Jesus, since he is god? What agod, unless he is worshipped? If he is not worshipped then he is no god! Now approach the question, again. This time correctly with sincerity.

What is Christ? Christ is greek for messiah which in hebrew means the anointed one, or the chosen one. In the same bible that word messiah is used for a number of other characters. King Saul was a christ, and so was king David. They were all anointed and therefore messiahs. Even a rock was anointed in the bible and it is called Bethel which means the house of God.

No one asked about definition. But if you produce one, and you refused to answer my question about Jesus being worshipped by Pastor AIO, davidylan, ~Lady~, etc, it shows deception from you.

Now I have stated before that the human life is an appropriated thing. We have been chosen to live the lives that we are to live. To adhere to and follow such appropriation is to be a christian. And such is the only true worship that is acceptable to God.

Much story, but no answer to my question. Do you worship god Jesus or not? If the answer is no, then he is no god by your own admission that he is not worth worshipping! If the answer is yes, then you worship him and father god as well. Thats 2 gods, hence you are a multiple gods worshipper!





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Let me shock you further and tell you that I too am a god, as is every christian. You too are potentially a god.[/quote]I say that you sir, are a liar! I am not god. No muslim is a god. If you are a god, maybe in the same calibre as what you made Jesus to be? Why isn't any Christian worshipping you? Pastor, Oje ti poju.

For we all share in divine nature and divinity is a part of us. There are many divinities, ie beings partaking of divine nature. That is not to claim equality with God but rather to say that we share in common certain aspects of God's essence.

Pastor, wa bo sihin, wa bo soun, in the same way Fela said to ba rojo sihin, to rojo soun, to roju tu e, oro di un. When you know that you will be trapped for saying that you are devine, you began to back pedal out of a terrible statement like that!

What kind of devine being are you? The one who uses the bathroom, gets tired, eats because of a hunger, the one who gets sick, etc? You sound just like the fake divinity that you ascribe to Jesus! I love Prophet Jesus son of Mary!

@~Lady~

YET AGAIN YOU ADD YOUR OWN BELIEF IN IT. WHAT DOES WHAT KUNLE SAID HAVE TO DO WITH TRINITY. HOW CAN A BELIEF IN TRUE RELIGION BE DIFFERENT FROM TRINITY OR DID YOU NOT READ THE QUOTE AGAIN? DID IT MENTION THAT THE TRINITY IS NOT A PART OF TRUE RELIGION.

True religion is given its limits, its boundaries. Trinity is not one of it. Read it again. You must have to study some business law; What ever there is no law against, it is legal. In this case as the definition of true religion only comprises a list of information, the definition is restrected to it. Trinity, again, is not part of it.

IF YOU TRULY WANT US TO VISIT GENUINITY IN RELIGION WE CAN LOOK AT THE FACT THAT WOMEN ARE BLAMED FOR THE SINS OF MEN, HOW GENUINE IS THAT?
OR IS IT THAT WOMEN ARE NOT PROMISED ANYTHING IN HEAVEN, BUT ARE INFACT TOLD THAT THEY WILL BE IN HELL?
OR IS IT THAT BLACKS ARE CURSED AND CONDEMNED TO HELL?
AREN'T YOU A BLACK MAN? WHY ARE YOU WORSHIPPING A GOD THAT CONDEMNS YOU ALREADY NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO OR HOW GOOD YOU ARE, YOU ARE CONDEMNED BY THE COLOUR OF YOUR SKIN?

All of the above, none is in islam. maybe you are reading Judaism or christianity.

yet what god prohibits on earth he permits in heaven. So doesn't that mean that in heaven you will be able to murder, lie, and the virgins promised to men (seeing that women are not mentioned to make it to heaven) will run around naked, and you don't have to wash your privates before praying or you will be permitted to yawn and all. abi.

In heaven, unlike the earth, the worship is not like salah, sawm, etc. The earth is a test. The heaven is the accounting for it; where you get ypur rewards.

What kind of god permits sin in heaven but not on earth?
This is allah's plan "if you don't sin in earth, you will be permitted to sin in heaven"

Sex is a sin? Well if alcohol is a sin, a lot of catholic are committing it right here on earth. I will wait till heaven, after i have been admitted to paradise to get into my own drinking.

the devil can claim to be your best friend o. don't forget he was able to deceive adam and eve.

And they were forgiven. Oh, I remember you still carry the residue of their sins. I on the other hand dont.

you're getting close to the immaculate conception, one more reason why i still say muhamad copied from the christian and jewish religion.

What about about the other parts that neither the jew nor the christian has anything to do with; eg the body of Fir'awn thrown out by the sea, after drowning. The same body later found, as predicted in the Qur'an, to serve as a sign for later generation?

What I have done is to show by this example that i do not agree with you at all, in your claim of copying Jews ad or Christians. Funny that the jews do not even mention Jesus nor any immaculate conception. While the Christians believe that God overshadowed mary, as when an entity mounts another, we in Islam say that he was only commanded to exist by a simple single word: Be! We are very different from you. Now it is clear when Allah says Jews and christians are friend of each other against you. That is very clear here. And i alsways thought you are my friend. I guess i am wrong.






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yet never in the Bible did it mention Jesus being under control of the devil. He didn't go to the wildreness on the prompting of the devil, he went there to fast. at the end of his fasting the devil attempted to tempt him and Jesus triumphed as the true Son of God that he is.[/quote]If I show you where Jesus is driven into the wilderness by the devil, what will you give me? Rather will you become muslim, right away? I wanna see you all covered up!

While John preached in the wilderness, Jesus is driven into the wilderness. Of course you are not disputing the 3 temptations from that accursed Devil. Or are you, too?

if Jesus was a mere man, this shouldn't be an exception for him. yet again proving his divinity.

A man who has an orchard, without a single mango tree and the man who have a mango tree that does not fruit can say to a friend, lets go to my orchard and pluck some mangoes. Can he? Jesus not having a jinn/genie and Muhammad having a powerless genie/jinn, both do not have any genie/jinn trying to influence them. They are both unlike you and me with active minds, where we struggle to remain right with God, avoiding as much evil as we can. Isn't ironic that even the mother of jesus did not have any genie/jinn. Was she devine, too? I am asking the wrong wman. She is a catholic. She prays to her!







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yet he still sinned and was still under the control of the devil when he inserted that the three daughters of allah can be worshipped too and used as intercessors.[/quote]The same way your Bible spoke about the devil tempting Jesus, 3 times! Then he drove him into the wilderness. Didn't the Bible also recorded that jesus said, get back from me, satan? About worshipping your so called daughters above and acting as intercessors, please let us know where we can find them in the Qur'an or in the hadith. The burden of proof is on the one who makes the allegation.







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For a wise mind this story would show just how out of line of the prophets that muhamad is. never did any of the prophets try to commit a sin because they didn't receive a revelation when they wanted to, they submitted to the will of God and never questioned why they didn't receive revelation at a time they wanted to.[/quote]Dont copy my style. Bt then thats okay. You may copy me into Islam. I will be very grateful to God almighty Allah when that happens. When the christians/Jews claim that King David who was given the Psalm committed adultery and murder of the innocent husband, one should not count either as a sin? When you say that Solomon worshpped the idol of the land he conquered, even with his unmatched wisdom, that too, is not a sin? I remember one young woman of old on nairaland was saying that Moses was a sinner and God was trying to kill him! What about Aaron for making the golden calf? lol.






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never once did any of the prophets of old try to comprise the will of God. God's will does not conform to man's will. Basically here allah bowed down to the quraysh.[/quote]Muhammad did not bow. He exercise patience. God is always with the patient. I do not want to remind you of the one you call king, who could not speak up and claim his title or kingdom, in the presence of Herod! Baby, stop making me remind you things about christianity. How about the person who should be happy to be the willing lamb, but then yelled out, my God, my God, why had thou forgavened me? Is tht compromising to the Will of God? I think not!






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and yet he already did.[/quote]If he did, will they be forcing me? Common, woman. lol.





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Never did satan succeed over any of the prophets of old. never did satan deceive a prophet of old to insert something against God in a book that is supposed to contain God's words. Infact to even suggest that is to suggest that satan can have power over God's word.[/quote]If a statement that, a verse that was to qualify as you said, then what do you make of the numerous statements, verse coming from paul, which contradicted what your son god said? How about the seven headed or six headed monster/beast of revelations, and other parts of the Bible spewing with devilsh inuendos?

@~Lady~:

well if i believe in allah, i will certainly go to hell, one because i am black, two because i am a woman and i lead men to sin. so i guess there's no hope for me wither way huh. no thanks I will stay in love.

You should realise that Qur'an calls women believers, too. The name is muminina. Its different from the Bible who says that you are permanently a sinner and that you will also suffer through childbearing as punishment!

And in Islam, color and gender, and othr artificial barriers are not prerequisites for paradise or hellfire. Piety and god consciousness are.

and why didn't you comment on everything else that i wrote

Am busy.

Jesus is not a mortal as you view him. Thanks. Now go learn the truth and stop listening to the man that condemns women for the wrong done them.

She wants to tell me about the immortality of a man you claim from your own mouth died. I am telling you that his death is reserved for later, InshaAllah.


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Yee paripa!!  Lady abeg give us citations because these we will have to look into a bit deeper.  Are black people really condemned to hell in the koran?[/quote]Oh boy, leave ~Lady~ alone. She is just playing around. I wished she is serious about all the promises. By now she should be covered from head to toes. And she aint nun!

Honestly I was contemplating letting you and david know of a book that I am reading.
I know how you two feel about catholics bur trust me you want to read this book.

If you both want I can send you the title of the book to your e-mails and you can read it. It not only talks about what i mentioned above but addresses a lot of issues dealing with islam and it truly shows that muhamad copied from Christianity and Judaism.

And Allah says yet the Qur'an is a different tongue (Language). In another verse, He say the revelation in pure Arabic.





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The feeling that I get from quran and reading brother Olabowale's post is that the whole religion is a reaction towards christianity, like it defines itself by contrasting itself to christianity.  Hence the consistent battering on about trinity and the oneness of God.   It seems that if there was no christianity then Islam  wouldn't know what to do with itself[/quote]Your assumption is wrong. If I were not dialoguing with Christians here, I will not be thinking about trinity. I a only think about it because its the centerpiece of your Christian religion. Didn't paul says that if trinity and death and resurrection is blown apart, Christianity is dead?

Islam however deals with the worship of one God. Do I have to remind you of the 5 Pillars?

It is true, Islam cannot address an issue with Jesus unless it comes from the Gospel. Islam is heavily reliant on Christianity.

There is a lot of material in the Qur'an where Jesus spoke and nothing like it in the Bible. Search for it. In Surah Al Maidah, he said to his people that if they associate anything with God, God has already forbidden Paradise for such a person, who will burn in hellfire. He also petitioned God to bring food from heaven to him, so that his followers may eat, as a sign of his prophethood to them.

Allah spoke about the dialogue between Him and Jesus for mankind to see, on the day of Judgement. A thing of the future that must happen. What Jesus will say, exactly is recorded in this chapter. Then in Surah saffa, Jesus proclaimed to his people about the coming of a prophet whose name is Ahmad. Now tell me which of these you have in the Bible?

I will have to get you the source for black people. I don't have the books with me on campus.

I await the reading of the same information.