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@~Lady~: Instead of trying to guess, we can ask the poster, if he/she is a christian? That will settle it, wouldn'y you agree with me?

I know too many muslims who adhere to the rules in islam and they look he same before and after salah. a lot of them are in Nigeria. I grew up around muslims and knew when they were observig something. They had no glow, they were still as black as ever and dull too.

No one says that a muslim will change color. But there is a shine or a glow to the face of a muslim, after salah. I will show it to you, when I see you. You will observe the faces of muslim women, immediately they come out of salah. The dull is only your own opinion. I have asked people to remember their own faces before they become muslim, and observe it, immediately they become muslim. There is a noticeable difference between the two. Your memory of the Nigerian muslims have faded some. Remember you were young then. What is shine/glow to you then is more of bleaching the skin. Now that you are a woman, the issue is the same. I aught to know about Islamic glow/shine after salah, than you.





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No thanks. I actually like my freedom rather than bondage. So nope thank you. Oh yeah I also like truth and not lies. I also like a Holy Book that doesn't contradict history and itself rather than one that does all the time. I also like worshipping a God that doesn't change his mind when he wants to proving how human he is and not divine.[/quote]Girl, you are feisty. And Islam will liberate you from the curse of Genesis that is transferred and the original sin because of eating of the fruit of the apple tree. Then how do you explain the Old Testament God, versus the New Testament God, if you are talking about "does'nt change His mind when He wants to prove how "human" he is and not devine?" Woman, what are you talking about here? God proving that He is human? The Jews will like to hear about this, because they did not know it when Jesus was alive; the singular reason they wanted to kill him. Am listening to your argument, woman.

@SeanT21:

« #9 on: July 31, 2008, 12:40 AM »
You do not understand the text at all. This is just one of those funnny games you play to rebuke the bible. Try again.

We do not get it. Please explain to us, what it means, as you read it in plain english. Please don't twist the meaning. Thanks.

@Huxley: Why haven't you became a muslim? Your ego is stopping you from it?

This is Genesis 3;

8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"

Whats the dimension of the garden that could contain the Creator? Laa ilaha ilallah. It will be better and more applicable if the chairman of Sony Corporation could fit inside a small screen, hand held TV, than any of the creations of Allah the Almighty God to be able to contain Him!

12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."

Let the blame game begins. Who is being blamed here, by Biblical Adam?

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.

15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

And the Anacondas and pythons, cobras, etc all eat flesh not dust. And so many snakes are pets, loved by the children of Adam.



@Donnie:Posted on: Today at 07:20:59 PM

Curse? no no no a thousand times, No.
Read the passage for yourself. God couldnt curse them 'because he had already blessed them. He simply told them the consequences of their actions.
He rather cursed the groung for Adam's sake and turned to the serpent and cursed him.
The scriptures are clear about this.

You need to read the passage again. There is nothing there except curse. Afterall, Adam was cursed there after. And before, the snake was cursed. How can you say that Eve was not cursed. I mean women.




@Tpia:

this olabawale is an attention seeker.

he just likes making a lot of meaningless noise.

oh, wait- he's proselytizing

Hardly.




@Davidylan:

1 timothy 2:15 is simply a prayer of healing to the saved woman from brother Paul. It didnt say that ONLY women who continue in faith deserve succour during childbirth.

Read it as you read your academic textbooks. Or do you interprete them, too?

Timothy did not write that book.

The truth finally came out! If Timothy did not write 1 Timothy 2; 15, then who wrote it? What audacity the person has to have put forward the idea that Timothy authored it? If this is the case, who is to say that we know any of the true author of any part of the Bible, then? It therefore may just be that all that the christians are claiming to have came from Jesus are actually from somebody else.

If you bothered to crosscheck facts before hyperventilating you shld be able to realise that i meant to say 1 Timothy 2:15.

You seem to have been the one who is guilty of what you are accusing me. Read it again. I asked if Huxley quoted 1 Peter 2 : 15 and thats the exact worlding and verse number of your quote from Timothy, who is right or who is wrong? Finally why having 2 exact post Jesus verses in the Bible, when you could not have all the Gospels in the Bible because you claimed that there would be duplication/repetition of verses. Now tell me why your Bible did not apply the same process to Timothy and Peter in this case? Read it, again.

I CLEARLY answered Huxley's misrepresentation of the bible. The "saved" used in 1 Timothy 2:15 is not about salvation of the soul but a prayer of succour to the believing mother during child-birth. Since men do not get pregnant, it makes sense that such a prayer wont be applicable to them.

Huxley quoted 1 Peter 2 : 15. This verse even though is exactly numbered and worded as your 1 Timothy 2;15, you will realise that it talks about being saved through childbearing, if a woman beliefs, with the other listed infrastructures. Please approach 1 Peter 2;15 for the sake of this conversation. Or accuse Huxley for giving Peter if he is wrong, instead of Timothy as you quoted.

You seem to be confused here. What are you talking about?
How about this scenario - every woman of age goes through menstrual cycles . . . suppose brother Paul had said . . . "every woman shall be "saved" from menstrual cramps if they continue in the faith . . ."

Would it be disingenous to state that it is possible that some women will NEVER have cramps during their menses?

The confusion is your and your trying to mask the Biblical skiddishness of thought. Let me go along with you in your new idea. It will not be disingenous that some women will be saved, by the cramps during menses. But it will be disingenous that those who do not have cramps during menses will be saved by just having menses. The operative word and idea here are "saved" and how a woman can get it. Those who do not have cramps will therefore have to be get their Saved or safety from another means.

Now apply that to the childbearing through your famous 1 Timothy 2;15. Those who are not with the pain of childbearing or never childbearing will not be saved through this method, even though they are women and have all the other aspects of belief or faith, in Christendom. Read David and don't be emotional with me. I know tht I am your weaping board.

Your confusion is appalling. Next time try and digest the issue before spamming the board with your incoherent posts.

Don't blame me. Blame your Bible that is never clear about anything. Hence giving room for your twisted interpretation, which is what i am taking you to task on. Come on, man.

In every situation of Islam, their are specific conditions attached, always. In the consumptions of alcohol and the flesh of prohibited animals, for example, if life could be lost, then the only option is to eat and or drink, in order to preserve life.

in the case of pictures, if you have pictures, I believe it is better to keep them in an album, rather than litter the walls of your home with it. In the album, you will have the pictures, but it will not be the focal point of the home. Yet you can look in the album and still have your picture, all of them. When you have them hanging on the walls, they tend to distracts and many begin to see the character of the person in it. Its almost as if it can become animated, talk, etc.

Its a gray area and my own idea and solution is to always keep pictures, unexpsed, regardless of how much I like it. One can get quickly attached and it becomes distraction and mean more than what it was intended for in the first place.

May Allah guide us all. Amin. He is the Knower of all things.

@Deepzone:

« #23 on: Today at 06:30:12 AM »
Don't mind them. Their troublesome behind has been deported to a sharia section, yet they intrude here to see how christians and others are progressing. I thought they are happy and contented with their faith? Why all these poke nosing in the affairs of christians and christianity? curiosity will lead them to Christ one day and that is my prayer.

Deepzone, you know that the others as you stated, are just unrecognized group. I have been inviting Huxley to dialogue with me in the so called Muslim section, or privately via emails. He has not responded yet.

Interestingly, you ended up talking as if the section actually now belongs to the Christians, since the muslims now have a section. I make this statement when you write, poke nosing in the affairs of christians and chrsitainity? And curiousity will lead them to Christ. These statement are the telling signs.

If am correct, then who is right, you or ~Lady~ who denies it?

Need a vacation? visit Orolu kingdom.
http://orolu.osunstate.gov.ng/

How do I get there? I seems like a fun place? lol.

@Cayon:« #13 on: Today at 12:55:59 PM »

@olabowale

There is a scripture in the Bible Corinthians 11:3-10.(see below) I myself always wonder why the churches don't enforce this Bible teaching)Another thing this demonstrate the obvious fact that the head cover was not introduced by Islam, but rather that this requirement has been in place for thousands of years (Paul's letter).
This is also fact that that Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad were all prophets of the same God and that they each carried the same basic message.

Peace

Am asking you to join the in-crowd of muslim women, in the nearest masjid near you. Where do you live in the city? I will recommend a masjid; buggiedown bronx, or crockling/with a tree growing in it or queen. Maybe mahahiin; you know we do it. I am thinking staten island. Right?

@Rampart:

what women?d numerous wives u married that r under a stark bondage or d muslim sisters that claim to be holier than thou but don't hesitate to sleep around wt thousands of men,whilst covering their heads or what?

At first you said I am a gay guy. And the moment I told you am not, you immediately jump on muslim women! You are not even sure of yourself. Now tell me are you a mother? Have you ever been married? If no, then are you a virgin? If all of the 3 have no for answer, then be well aware that you are not better than those who cover up and do the same. In your case, you are not ashamed to do it, because you are already unwrapped, advertising the wares. Am not in the mood for your type of attitude. But be aware that I will not go quitely.

Good english u can't type,but if its to insult God u dey get mouth,im sure in the qu'ran they tot u guys how to judge abi,because una holy pass,toad

Uh? You dey tell to much lies. Which god I insult; son, father, holy spirit, what? You too get big mouth. You get problem because u no know when to zip it. You be the toad. You no know say you be the toad, abi? look at the wet skin and webbed your fingers and toes. Omo girl, u don't want you and me to cross path o. Omode laso, ko le lakisa to agbalagba. Enough yabbis already. Stay in your corner, jeje and i go stay in my own.

Anyways do me favour and take a dive into one of the oceans near u,u aint useful to us
byebye

@Missy B: I just read my entry that you have problem with, in my use of it. First the it was not IT as you have used your computer to change my writing. Thats deceit. Then my it was referring to the question(s). Read it again. And if I had used the it to God, I hope you have heard that it is God, as part of a statement befor? Now deal with that and the question of the thread. It is God that Huxley is asking about. What is your view, your idea about your god? I know about mine.

@Rampant: Thats terrible. My women know better. You lied. But you are right in your statement about being old. And whats anu mpam? What language is that? I bet you are kidding by your statement. And don't do it too often, okay.

The above from May Kelly are some of the biggest set of lies that Mankind have ever told. You are believing these lies because they are in your Bible, hoping that they are true, and you can justify therefore not being personally take responsibility for your actions.

How then do you reckorn with Mark 12 Verse 29, which goes against all that you wrote, above?

@May Kelly:

JESUS the TRUE SON of GOD answered them "Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

Who is therefore the TRUE WIFE OF GOD? I bet you have no answer. You will therefore notice that your statement is just a false statement. If you answer and can tell us who is the TRU WIFE OF GOD, with proof, I will come to Port Harcourt when I am in Nigeria and give you a gift that will be befitting to your answer. Enough of blanketted statement without any supporting proof(s).

[color=#990000](babs787 CHRIST is asking you?) and the Jews (babs787) answered The SON of GOD saying " For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself GOD.

It seems to me that the Jews even knew that it was blasphemous what you said that Jesus was claiming. How from the above that many Christians have had the courage and unashamed to support the idea of Trinity from the Old Testament? The Jews aught to have known if there is an god(s) other than the One God they claim that they worship. Even Jesus supported the same One God by the Mark 12 Verse 29 that all Christians have been avoiding to just read as plainly as it is written, without twisting and turning and trying to go through the hoop!

MY LORD JESUS CHRIST answered them, " IS it not written in your law (babs787 right their in your law) I said, Ye are gods.

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of GOD came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

If you believe the above, then all the folks referred to by Jesus as gods along with him, in that verse, should be worshipped by you, just the same way that you worship Jesus! If you are, then you will see that Trinity is false and you will be worse than the present day Hindu or the preIslamic arabs. If you don't worship all those people, why not? Aren't they god(s), just like Jesus? Did you not intend to follow the speech of Jesus, who has declared them as gods? Was Jesus not telling the truth? Or are you not listening to Jesus in the case of what he said in that verse?

say ye of him, "WHOM THE FATHER HATH SANCTIFIED, AND SENT INTO THE WORLD, THOU (Babs787 and Usman) BLASPHEMEST; Because I said "I am the Son of GOD? , "BELIEVE THAT THE FATHER IS IN ME (Christ), and I (Christ) IN THE HIM (Father).

Tell me; what percentage of the father died when you claimed that the son died? Or what percentage of the son remain when he died, if father did not die with the son? If you can't provide a clear cut answer, please note that your idea is completely false about Jesus being in God, and God being in Jesus as if they are interdependent on each other! So much for being inside each other.

But the above quotes from May kelly are proofs about the statement of Allah, warning the people of the books not to go beyond the limits in their religious beliefs. God immediately talks about the Christian saying that Jesus is Allah and Allah is one of the 3.

@Olrotimi:

#10 on: Today at 03:58:42 AM »
me think the muslims are closer to the amish in their way yof life, for example they abhor the use of most weatern gadgets, ang they still wear jumper trousers

Me think Olrotimi dey live under a Rock. Maybe under Olumo Rock! Which western gadget can you name that there is no allowance, in special circumstances can not be unsed by the muslims? The Idea of Video, TV, etc can be drawn from Qur'an and or Sunnah.

And the African, by an large have traditionally some forms of pants that are roomy, loose fitted, yet show the ankles. Yoruba's Kembe, and the old buba and sokotoo combination are two examples. But you fail to notice that the women clothings are supposed to cover, rather than expose the ankle!

@A K O:
I meant without. (Do women get pregnant without ovulating? Everything has its place, its season.)

@A K O:

« #6 on: Yesterday at 10:40:16 PM
The tree was fruitless so it was of no use anyway. And by the way that was why He cursed it, not because He was looking for food and the thing had none. Remember He went on to state the repercussions of a christian not bearing fruit.

Good answer given by Huxley, to your dubious response, intentionally hiding that the tree was just simply obeying the laws that guide the fruiting of fig trees. Do mango trees have fruits out of its seasons? Do women get pregnant with ovulating? Everything has its place, its season.




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Yes, the bible does say that the owners were mad and they sent him out of the city. But would you rather save aherd of pigs than save yourself, from whatever situation? If you are not a vegetarian, don't u know the number of animals that have been killed so that you can chop and survive? Bottomline, you can't compare the worth of human life and animal life.[/quote]The same darn Pig, you Christians love its flesh. In america, they call it the other white meat. Is one of you concerned that Jesus might have shown you by this action of his that Pig should not be consumed?



@Davidylan: I think the Abuja court is more suited for it. This Jesus is different from my Isa bin Mariam, rasulullah, (AS).

@~Lady~:

« #20 on: Today at 12:38:28 AM »
Correction it is not a Christian section, it is a eligion section. The only religion that has it's own section is Islam. The rest of us share. Or maybe you haven't seen other postings that have nothing to do with Chrisitanity.
How many religions that are on Nairaland? And by the way, what will you give me, if I can show you statements from Christians telling me to go to Muslim sections, because I am in Christian section? Am waiting.

The posters did not say that they are Christians. Not only Christians post in the religion section, clearly you are posting, don't forget that the atheist are posting here too and starting topics.

The poster of this amulet thread is not muslim either. I am comfortable to say that he is Christian, because only Christians start wierd religious thread. The atheist and agnostics engage people, but not through a silly more diabolic thread like this one.

So once again did the posters have a banner that said that they were Christians? No they did not. STOP JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.

The starter of this Amulet thread is Christian. Lets wager, if you are sure. lol. And I did not jump to conclusion in this case. Finally, no one has to carry anything, before you know they are what they are, because actions and words speak clearer than banner. A true muslim is known by the mark of prostrations, and the light or glow of the face, especially after Salah.

You should try it. Only if I can get you to relax, pretending to be a nun, but cover up more than do.

@Paulipopo:
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@Deepzone, etc: Why are you avoiding a thread that is tailored for a potentially hearty discussion? I am waiting and don't disappoint me.
unquote.

I don't understand please expatiate.

The above was my complete entry. It was not more than that. But the way you quoted me it may seem that the other entry was made by me, too. And no one has provided a satisfactory entry to the question, yet, from the group of Christians.

Sins are punishable deeds. They are acts not pleasing to God: Hell fire is the altimate punishing place for sins.

In worship, what God forbids and will not permit, eg, not acknowledging Him as the Only Object of Worship. Those who associate anything with Him, eg, son, or holy ghost and those who worship physical idols or those who deny His existence or Lordship, are all guity of this.

In deeds: What God warns us against, eg illici sex, unjust killing, severing the blood ties, stealing, backbiting, undermining and taking undue advantage, including devowing the properties of others.

And the greatest sin is that of worship. God said that He will not forgive this sin, if a person were to die on it. However, God can forgive any other sins, if He wills.

@Huxley: Sin is something God commands that He does not want us to do. For example, every worship is a sin, except what He permits. He demands thereby that we should worship Him, alone, with partnership or fail not to worship Him, as you are doing in your Atheist mindset.

In other deeds, everything is allowed, except what He forbids. So a person who performs adultery, fornication, killing, backbiting, severing the relationship with kin and kith, stealing, etc is committing sin, by each of these horrible acts.

God created sin by the command of His dos and donts to us. And He will punish the sinners who did not get His forgiving Mercy by casting them in Hellfire. But Huxley, your not being a worshipper of this great God that you devote your essence to trying to disproof His existence, is the greatest of all types of sins. God says that he forgives all types of sins, if He wills. But He will not forgive a sin of improper worship of Him, eg the association of some entity as the case of the Christians and the Hindus etc, or the hypocracy of the jews or the complete denial of his presence, as the Atheist and Agnostics, etc do.

@Missy B: I will not quarrel with you. But have you ever heard "its me?" If you break the its down you will read "it is!" To say it is God, is not a bad speech about God. Thats not diminishing His Awesomeness. Nno, or Daalu, or whatever the local word for pele of yorubaland.

mentioning and not mensioning.

@~Lady~:

You know what setting the Bible asides, those lands historically belong to the Jews. They have habitated that land for thousands of years, it has been acknowledged in historical books as well as literature as their lands. Palestine never belonged to muslims, a lot of the muslim lands never belonged to the muslims, Infact the only land that is sure to have been arabic is Saudi Arabia. The rest became occupied by the muslims from their quest of Jihad.

Your knowledge of the land of the Arabs is very poor. Yemen, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and the Emirates, etc, were all places where the descendants of ismail, etc were already Arabic, if its the language or common heritage that you are using, before the Islam of Muhammad. These places were known as Hijaz, a root word from which Al Jezzira the satellite News TV company name came about from.

The only reason those this fight is going on because of Islam. Arabia did not try to acquire Jewish lands until Muhammad said that they are "apes and swine."

The Children of Israel knew that some of them, from a particular village were turned to apes and Swine, as their worldly punishment before they will be punished in heavens, because of their disobedience to the commandment of Allah the Almighty. Just like Fir'awn was punished on earth by drowning, he will be punished in heavens, too.

The Jews only erased that part of their historical experience. Muhammad (as) was commanded to state the fact, as a warning against doing of evils.

Take a look of piglet with a monkey face; This is a present day phenominon.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2469793/Piglet-'with-face-of-a-monkey'-born-in-China.html

So historically those lands belonged to the Jews. They already compromised and given up a lot for peace, but the Arabs don't want peace, at least not for the Jews, because they believe that the Jews should not be allowed to exist.

Adolf Hitler and company were Arabs or muslims, I bet, and, not European Christians. No wonder Mandela who knows more about ethnic suffering more than you and I, and Jimmy Carter are both in support of the palestinians. But wait is this not shameful to the christians that the palestinian Christians are not being supported against their oppressive Zionist neighbors? Since Islam calls for support of the oppressed against the oppressors, in this case the lukewarm Arabs are at least trying with their mouth, if nothing else.

No one will be happy is a community is divided and isolated from its own society. The berlin wall was knocked down, but Gaza Strip remained so separated from the West Bank that you will believe that they are two complete countries since they do not share any border with each other. How would you like that they divide Nigeria like that and still call it Nigeria?

I got a pocket full of sunshine, I got a love&I know that it's all mine

Shine some of the rays of sunshine on the issue of the palestinians, if you are sincere. I remember the Biblical story of Samson's Honey being harvested from the carcass of the lion, that he killed in the landof palestine. (Davidylan; go and read it, since you asked me in a past question, if my story about the lion and her children could ever leave a bush/wilderness they never existed in. Samson riddle that he was telling Delailah, is your answer). Woman your mensioning of love is a reminder of that. I think it is a riddle.

Meaning that He allows you according to your heartfelt desire to go as you will. The reward will be given in the day of judgement. If you do good, it is for the benefit of your own soul, your essence. If on the other hand you do evil, that, too is against your own soul, your very essence.

God is not hurt by your evil, nor attain a higher plateau of holiness by your good. God was complete before He began to create. He was the Creator, even before He Created anything. He was the Judge, even before He began to create and then called us to that aspect of His attributes that He is the One that will Judge.

He is capable of doing all things that He wills to do, at the time He wills that it happens.

@Huxley: The answer is no. However, when you are asking quetions about the Only True God, you should ask of it in the Muslim section. The Christian section is for falsified god(s). You will see that they will give you lame excuses. But the Muslims will give you something to think about, if truly you are a thinking man.

Allah says in His Book, the Qur'an that He is your Creator and He is the Creator all that you create.

As Salaamualaykum, my dear Brother Femi S. I got your mail, on Wednesday. Alhamdulillah. I will respond to you. And please forgive me, for not acting upon it, immediately. The content is very clear. Our brotherhood is already established. May Allah increase it for His pleasure and make us beneficial to each other and the community, at large. Amin.

I hope you are well? I will get back to you, sometimes soon. Maybe next week, InshaAllah. Jazakallahu anakun Khairan.

@~Lady~:

« #10 on: Today at 02:16:38 AM »
Do not be so quick to pass judgment, who told you that the people who posted before you are Christian. Did they announce it?
Because I didn't see and announcement.

You need glasses, Alice. Get some glasses, Alice. Pearls is a good eye glasses company outlet, nowadays, in the mall, nearest to you. You must be fuming. No wonder you are not calling, and you resorted to attack from far away. Okay o.

Isn't this a Christian section and the Poster is a christian? I wanna hear your voice, today. Unfailingly. Today and not tomorrow. You hear, woman. And don't bring that stubbornness on the phone. park it prior to dialling. lol. 9ja woman.

Maybe some people don't understand what amulets are.
Amulets are "magical" and not spiritual.
Don't confuse both, thanks.

There is no magic in Christianity. Thank you.

Many of the magicians, around the world are Christians. David Copperfields here in USA, is a noted magician. You will rarely find a muslim, claiming to be a magician. Islamically, magic practitioners are supposed to be killed. What is the ruling in your Bible? Maybe you wanna concentrate your answer exclusively from the New Testament. (Let me copy you; Thank you).

Don't make me tell you of the muslims that are very deep into diabolicals. Infact it is how they attack a lot of successful Christians. My hairdresser's employee's mum was attacked by her muslims business partners. She was succeeding and they threatened her many times. They didn't accept the fact that a woman was more "intelligent" than them (men) in business, so they tried to take her life.

It goes to show the authenticity of the ahadith that talks about only one sect/group of muslims will enter Paradise without ever entering hell. Of course the 72 others and the whole of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc and Agnostics and Atheists will enter hell. Some Muslism will remain because they were hypocrites in the matters of religion on earth.





@Aloy_Emeka:

Amulets no be juju?

na moslems dey always carryam now. Those hadjia women that sells jewelry have it all over them.

I hear you, sisi. But I like that name, Emeka. They, the hadjia and people like them are because of their amulets, have shown their lukewarmness in the religion of Islam.





@Deepzone:

Adedibu, Alao Akala, Arisekola Alao, Abacha(had 500 babalawos from across africa in his dais in asorock), you want more muslims involved with juju?

Now, those who are dead amongst them, their cases are with Allah Almight alone. For those who are still alive among them, I pray that they desist from this unislamic thing.

Deepzone, do you notice that the muslims on Nairaland are not in support of it, while the Christians are the ones who started this wierd thread and have supported it, in one form or the other? That includes the guy who feels naked without a cruxifix hanging from his neck.

@Rampart:

d last time i checked there is a cultural section,where people from diff tribes show their language skills

@topic
grace is priviledge and hey don't ask me questions

I hear ypu, woman. In the maintime, let me try to hone my skill here, before I graduate to the Cultural corner.

@M_nwankwo: If you push the idea of grail message enough, I see a bunch of Christians going your way, rather than becoming Muslims. Fire in all its forms burn.

@Gamine and JeSoul: Lol. Just don't spill the beans.

@lucabrasi: And every idea that resulted in idol worshipping began just as harmlessly as ornamental in value, etc. And when you make it sign on your person and or kisses it, it is a form of reverence, part of a belief system of worship.

I use tesbi'u to count. I do not use it all the time. I can use any form of counter. I use my fingers, all the time. You will then realise that no muslim thinks that Tesbi'u is important to religion or worship. It is not the same with your Cruxifix, since you feel "naked," without it.


@Dadahgirl:

As far as the crucifix, as long as you don't worship it, I don't think there is anything wrong with it. Some people use it to identify themselves as christians and nothing more.

But some people worship or sees the cruxifix as object of worship, right? I see the Spanish catholics paying reverence to it in a way that could be perceived as worship.

@~Lady~: If you continue to deny Islam its rightful place in the Salvation plan, then it is either that you are wrong or your Catholic Church declaration of it is wrong. Now which one of it is it, , who is right, you or your church? Call me. lol.

@Davidylan: What is the doctrine of the Protestants, since you now know a little bit about the Catholics? Sincerely, what does the Protestant's doctrine say about Islam, Catholic? Remember that the Protestant is copied from the Catholic. Protestant can not have a better, more authentic or original doctrine than the Catholic.

@Davidylan:

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There is no safety in islam, no assured hope for eternity . . . all you have is shahids, intolerance, extremism, violence and outrage. No thank you.

Since there is no gaurring of an innocent man to death, as it "occurred in the case of Jesus and Christianity," it simply means muslims are not going to Jannah. David is a funny man. You got jokes, man. jannah is meant for your Keferi heart, you think. Please stop that noise making. Surah Kahf (the cave) spoke extensively about Jannah for muslims and Jahanam for dis believers; eg Jews, Christians, Hindus, atheists, etc.


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That is foolish. Is everyone in Zimbabwe or Liberia a christian? Where they fighting a religious conflict?
Stay on point, this silly muslim tactic of just pulling any nonsense from the air to defend the indefensible only makes you people look more foolish and vulnerable.[/quote]Pakistan has hindu population, though insignificant. Stay on point, man. The whole of spanish south african countries are predominantly Christians. Italy with all his Red Beret killing machines of the 70s, and now its notoriously mafioso identity is Christianity. Next door to is the ancient Vatican city. Italy was the seat of Christianity, long time before the neuvous Protestants. Your silliness is terrible. Let me leave African Christians alone and talk about the west that i know so much about. Ha, Brazil, is a Christian country and the killing in that country is scary, yet they have not started any war.


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Brunei - awash with petrodollars they don't know what to do with it.
Saudi Arabia - Very silly example - they are well known for openly funding their extreme form of wahhabist islam and are headiing precipitously towards a confrontation with Iran. So much for "peace".[/quote]Nigeria is also awash with petrodollar, or Euro. Obasanjo was the president, just the other day. And under Gowon, Nigeria found herself in a civil war which was a product of the of huge egos between two Christian eccentrics; Gowon and Ojukwu. In this horrible time, which lasted for 30 months, Victoria, from Asaba was married to Gowon of Yola or some place like that. Please stick to what you know. America fought a civil war while they all claimed Christianity. And before that they fought many Christian countries; England for her indenpendence, Mexico so that it can annexed many more fronteiring lands.


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There is one cogent reason - the quran itself.[/quote]Wrong answer. Your bad heart is the only cogent reason. You know it and I, having the casual relationship with you, know it, too.

@Ursolution:

Dear friend,
Jesus did not at all contradict himself in any of His statements in the scriptures. If you really want to know the meaning of His words don't read the scriptures like you are reading a newspaper or other books.

How would you read a book except from its exact wording. The christians never cease to amase me in their strange twist, when it comes to Jesus. When it comes to reading the old Testament where my lord speaks to my lord, you apply literal reading, word for word. But when it comes to mark 12 verse 29, i bet you will change up and suddenly recall there is a holy spirit, who helps in Biblical understanding.

God inspired apostle paul in one of his letters to the corinthians and he said ''The letter kills but it is the spirit that gives life".

The ispiration is more like it came from the ungodly spirit, since paul was 180 degrees from what Jesus said. How about the Trinity (meaning Three (3)) for example. Tell me where Jesus listed that he is one of a three entity that makes up One God? Tell me where he says that He is God Almighty? Tell me where he says that he is a partner to God, or equal without any diminishing in authority with God?

The Holy spirit is the one that intepretes the word of God as the bible says He searches the deep things of God and reveals them to us.

Then whats the name of this phantom holy spirit? You gave son, Jesus as a name, the n father as Jehovah or yahweh. Whats holy spirit personal name, if you are honest to yourself? Tell the holy spirit to interprete Mark 12 Verse 29, and, there are three that witness in heaven verse? I wanna read the interpretation from the holy spirit, as he gives it to you! I bet that he will twist mark 12 verse 29 and simple read verbatim the three that witness in heaven verse. The inconsistences of your holy spirit is abhorrence.

Another thing about the word of God is that it may be instructing you on things concerning your own life.The scriptures is useful for correction, reproof and instruction in righteousness (2Tim3:16). In a nutshell whenever you read any thing in the word of God, look at the situations that surrounds it, then look into your own life. If you can't still connote a meaning to it, then get back to the owner of the scripture. By the way are you born again?

I ask you first: lol. Are you a born, again? Then interprete the total Bible or just read it straight as it is written. Otherwise you are playing footsie with information, just to please your own idea, regardless of the truth or falacy.

@~Lady~: If the catholics believe that Muslims are Paradise bound, why will any muslim even bother to convert? Islam is already been confirmed to be paradise bound by you, regardless of what they do, as long as they believe as your classifications have indicated.

I believe the Christians will say that Jesus has made everything unnecessary. Even the role of God, since they say that Judgement will be made by 12 apostles and of course, Jesus at the helm.