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@Deepzone: Thats my job. When you make  statement that is incorrect, you should be directed to the truth. Just the same way i asked you how do I get to Orolu kingdom, I am the one to direct you, KarmaMod, and ~lady~ to the Masjid.

@~Lady~:« #37 on: Yesterday at 02:14:55 AM »  
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I have no interest in whether the poster is muslim, Christian, buddhist or whatever, it has nothing to do with the topic. Instead of being mature and discussing the topic, you shift it to bashing the Christians. That is what is so upsetting especially after the poster did not state whether or not he or she is Christian.
You are supposed to be an elderly man, yet you result too such low and immature tactics. It's really stupid.[/quote]And the truth bites so hard.

There was no need in mentioning Christians or muslims or atheists or witches, point is "do you carry amulets?" u could have answered the question or ignored it, rather than turning it into a find a fault in Christianity parade.
Grow Up. Act your age for a change.

And yet you have not taking me up on my challenge to know if the poster is a christian or not?






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No thanks, you might think I am the Christian that allah gives to you to kill so that you will make it to heaven. So if you will please excuse me I will stick to the religion that doesn't think killing is the "in" thing to do or that killing will lead you to heaven.[/quote]And I do not have to kill anyone, before i make it to Paradise. Thats not the prerequisite for Islam. Unlike the Christian that there must be a spill of blood, and that of jesus is the altimate. I thought we were friends and we see that the Qur'an is correct in its injuctions. Your statement reminded me of some Nigerian people who i was friendly with in the 90s.

One of them came to my home and realising for the first time that i am a muslim, was telling the other one to not argue with me that i may pull out a dagger!  I and everyone was shocked. I wonder how anyone could conclude that quickly, without any presidence? You just did the same. Very shameful on your part.





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I have and they look just the same. I know you want to see shine shine iyawos so you can have your pick on which one to marry now or fantasize if they will resemble the ones allah will give you in heaven so that you can ravage them and they will still remain a virgin.[/quote]When you were 10 years old, your perception is different from what it is, today. Now tell me when was the last time you say a muslim woman prayer and then look at her face, to see whether it glows or not? And sex between husband and a wife is now ravaging by the man? Wow, woman. Na you sabi.






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Please recognise that I am not one of your "less intelligent" muslim sisters. Don't come here telling me something about me when you don't know me. I know what a woman's glow looks like I am a woman and I have a glow, and every woamn's glow is uniquely hers. Bleaching of the skin makes a woman look less human. Don't insult my memories.[/quote]Now tell me how you remember things at the age of 10, compared to your age now? Please give me a break. At 10 you couldn't know the difference of a woman glowing from bloating!





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Liberate me to where? To the less intelligent gender that gets blamed for the sins of men? Or the one who won't make it to heaven because of their gender? Or the one that can't express herself and have to adopt a new identity? Or the one who has to share her husband with other women? Or the one who can be raped and be blamed for being reaped? Or the one who can be divorced at the say of the phrase "I divorce you" meanwhile she can't do that to her husband? Or the one who gets killed because she decides to have a voice? Or the one who is a second class citizen? Or the one who's vote is half of a man's? Or the one who's witness is always considered to be less credible even if she saw it with her own two eyes and the man didn't?

To where I beg of you tell me? To bondage? GOD FORBID HIS BEAUTIFUL CREATION TO SUFFER AT THE HANDS OF EVIL!!!!

I am already liberated, thank you. I am already liberated by God himself, so I have no need for anything less than HIM!!![/quote]Not yet liberated from having a 3 for 1, if you ask me. That is the altimate liberation you are yet to get. then you need to be liberated from original sin, the curse of childbearing, the curse of having your husband rule over you, and you objectifying him, and at least not been blame as in " it is the woman you put with me, " Come on girl, you know the deal. Read your Bible. They said you can uncover your head around your husband. How do you go to bed? It is senseless.





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Please don't misquote me. I said proving how human he is and not divine and I was talking about allah, not Jesus Christ, go back and read.[/quote]Now go back and discuss the jewish one God and your Christian 3 god personalities. Is that not change of mind? If you are correct that that is not change of mind, ask me anything, and InshaAllah, i will give it as a reward. If not i will make my demand to you. Deal or no deal? lol.

Read your own entries. Then make a good recollection of your acute memory.





@Tpia;

big liar.


have you ever had your fellow imam chalk/write down some koranic verses and rinse the writing into a bottle for your use?

Maybe you are mistaking for somebody else. I do not follow any group and do not like or drink anything. I read Qur'an, recite Quran over what ever I want to effectuate. That all. I am not a Tijani or anything like that. Now, you are the bigger liar.

@KarmaMod:
Where are you in NY (New York)? I will like to direct you to a masjid (Mosque) near you, so that you can see many who do not use it. I for one, don't use it.

@Pataki:

When Christ was crucified and he resurrected, Mary was the first to see Jesus, when he wanted to touch Christ, Jesus said unto her, I haven not yet ascended unto my Father. Would you say because he was in human form, he could not have been dealt with, even when he ascended unto God after his resurrection?

The word father or its usage is so common, since the bible declares the whole Jewish peoples as sons of god. They may as well have a father who they are is sons. And Jesus was a jew. We can not deny that he was also a prophet. And you do not know the condition of Jesus in heavens, right this minute, or do you. I know that I will be responding to your Paul's act statements.

It was the same Jesus from heaven who appeared unto Saul, on his way to Damascus, and what did Saul ask from Jesus in Acts 9:4-16?

Pataki, is it not surprisingly peculiar that saul will come to conclude that Jesus is lord/god by his saying what do you want me to do lord? He heard Jesus identifiying himself as jesus. Jesus did not say I am jesus, god or lord. But saul, jumped into conclusion that he now must be lor, god, when jesus himself did not say that to him. This should be what you should also think about.

My bible tells me at the mention of the name Jesus, every knee must bow and every tongue must confess that HE is Lord. The name of Jesus saves. What other power do I need? tesbiu? Anyways, I have obliged you for today sir.

You know about the predictions of bible above, are not being fulfilled, right? There are billions of knees and tongues that have not cared for it. Mine is one of them. And i do not even use tesbi'h. And my Islam, Alhamdulillah is not deficient because of it.

@Pataki:

@ rampant,

I believe you raised concerns about this posts? My honest answer is that it bothers on Jesus showing us what humility is about. Even though he had power to call himself good, he wanted us to realize that every good and perfect gifts comes from the LORD.

Pataki, you are reading meaning to what jesus said by your opinion that jesus have power. But more importantly, Jesus directed us to a God and Lord greater than him. Thats what you need to focus on, with the other verses where he prayed and begged and petitioned that Lord God.

@Pataki:

Ordinarily that singular thought from a Spirit God-head as Lucifer brought about his down-fall. Now Jesus Christ himself when he was here on earth said, he is the way, the truth and the life. No one can come unto the Father except through HIM. Jesus said, I and my Father are one.

Logically speaking, do you not think God should have done like-wise to Jesus as he did to Lucifer? (I need your answer to this question).

Your question is very logical. However, if i contribute using your own Bible, one will say that the condition of lucifer is peculiar, terrible because he was in heaven and was trying, really to undermine God. How, ever in the case of Jesus who had delared by his "why call me good verse, and others like Mark 12 verse 29' that he was not God, it is easy to understand that he was not a threat to God's authority.


Afterall, he was on earth, as a viceroy of god. he was a messenger, a prophet and everyone among the children of israel was called god or sons of god, anyhow. You can see that all his statement about being one with God is just in a humanly speaking only. Very esoteric. he condition is not like that of lucifer, hence there was no need for god to undermine him. I hav only used your bible to talk to you. My view as a muslim is different, but it is not my argument source here.

@Queenisha:

That is enough for me.
I'm unable to throw those claims in the dumpster because I'm wondering how God cried out to God.

Medicine. lol. I am talking to Zainab, as I am typing this response. I am baffled how those claims can stand when we see god cried out to God. lol; Am truly an altimate love. The last romantic one.

All the pundits have not been able to approach what jesus said about not be called good. But its easy for them to go about other verses. If this is the case, whats the condition of the why call me good verse? Its faaulty, false or what?

@Queenisha: Woman, you see how much you are begging the questions? Instead of dealing with the verse where Jesus said why call me good and followed it by saying the only one who is good is God. You started off giving us Texan's way of dealing with issues. I know you don't have an answer how Houston or Dallas people resolve issues. Now use Nigerian mindset to answer it, straightaway.

@KunleOshob and others: It is grail message that you people will now find guidance? There is no true guidance in Bible and definitely, it is even worse in the grail message (unfortunately I tend to wanna call it gray flannel, but I am fighting the urge, hard). This grail message is the stepping stone to occultizm, if not it already. Its a convolution of idea that centres not on God Almighty, but denial of His true essence. It is claiming that God will never punish. That will be wrong.

@Missy B: Who knows better the condition of Jesus, Jesus or john? Between Jesus staement and John's, which one carries a greater weight? Who is the authority, between the two of them? Please, if Jesus says that he is not good enough and the one who is good is God, do we have to accept what John says pointing to the opposite direction of what Jesus said about this?

Jesus did not only say that he is not good, or good enough, but clearly says that he is not God because the one who is good is God. Deal with that, woman. You can quote every one else, if they are different from Jesus statement about himself, then will you say that Jesus is wrong and those others are right, correct?

@Nossyckeek:
While it is a bad thing that the man was beaten at all, worse that he lost his life, we can not but at least assume that the "killers," do lack knowledge of Islamic jurispudence. It is clear that at least this group of youths have learnt nothing from the prophet (as), worse, nothing from the Qur'an at all, where the blood of muslim is sacred, as well as the blood of all humans.

If they were going to have justice on this man, they should have had him in Sharia court, were he would be allowed to defend himself. Lacking knowledge is a great emotional disease. I ask God Almighty Allah to Overlook the fault of the deceased man. And admit him among the righteous. And count not in his record any of his evil deeds, including what he said that he lost his life for. Amin.

Now girl, those who do not fight for their God, or gods in your case, can not expect the same or mercy from that Deity, or deities. In my case Deity, while in yours deities. Moses was ordained to end the life of Fir'awn an his army. He did. He was also ordained to kill many a nation on the way to palestine. He did. Jericho fell without even any trees left standing.


@Rampant: Abi oooooo, why would you not fight for son god, or father god, or holy spirit god? You will let them be killed again, and again, and again, maybe this time without the cross? Anu mpam! I am learning from you. You are a good teacher, even though your method is terrible.

@~Lady~:

First crusade 1095-1099

Thats only to the Middle east. What you call the "holy land." Long before then, the European Christians have been making incursions, if you will, minor crusades, here and there in the Continental Europe. I remember you and i had this conversation before. I provided a material source to prove you wrong. Go back to my writing.

@Davidylan:« #32 on: Today at 09:29:03 PM »

This should expose this man of falsehood so i will start first by juxtaposing my questions with your alleged answers.

I asked for the definition of sin - how does the quran EXPLICITLY define it, what makes someone a sinner? How can you overcome sin as a muslim? by what means is previous sins commited in ignorance removed?

Here is your "answer" . . .


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 09:21:13 PM
@Davidylan: Below is my responses. I defined sin.


The question was this AGAIN - how does the quran EXPLICITLY define sin?

Note it was NOT, how does Olabowale define sin.

How do you think I formed my definition, if not directly from Qur'an and or Sunnah? Definitely not the Bible. And from verse 11, we see that Iblis refused the Commandment of God. Thats a sin of worship. And in verse 22, we see Adam and Eve eating from the tree, against the instruction and warning of Allah. Thats a sin of deed, out of ignorance. You should read the rest.

The Noble Qur'an Al-A'raf 7:11-27

11. And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblîs (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate.

12. (Allâh) said: "What prevented you (O Iblîs) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you?" Iblîs said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay."

13. (Allâh) said: "(O Iblîs) get down from this (Paradise), it is not for you to be arrogant here. Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced."

14. (Iblîs) said: "Allow me respite till the Day they are raised up (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."

15. (Allâh) said: "You are of those allowed respite."

16. (Iblîs) said: "Because You have sent me astray, surely I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path.

17. Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)."

18. (Allâh) said (to Iblîs) "Get out from this (Paradise) disgraced and expelled. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely I will fill Hell with you all."

19. "And O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in Paradise, and eat thereof as you both wish, but approach not this tree otherwise you both will be of the Zâlimûn (unjust and wrong­doers)."

20. Then Shaitân (Satan) whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels or become of the immortals."

21. And he [Shaitân (Satan)] swore by Allâh to them both (saying): "Verily, I am one of the sincere well­wishers for you both."

22. So he misled them with deception. Then when they tasted of the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifest to them and they began to stick together the leaves of Paradise over themselves (in order to cover their shame). And their Lord called out to them (saying): "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily, Shaitân (Satan) is an open enemy unto you?"

23. They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers."

24. (Allâh) said: "Get down, one of you an enemy to the other [i.e. Adam, Hawwa (Eve), and Shaitân (Satan), etc.]. On earth will be a dwelling­place for you and an enjoyment, - for a time."

25. He said: "Therein you shall live, and therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought out (i.e.resurrected)."

26. O Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover yourselves (screen your private parts, etc.) and as an adornment, and the raiment of righteousness, that is better. Such are among the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, that they may remember (i.e. leave falsehood and follow truth[]).

27. O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitân (Satan) deceive you, as he got your parents [Adam and Hawwa (Eve)] out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabîluhu (his soldiers from the jinns or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayâtin (devils) Auliyâ' (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not.




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this is how you fail exams . . . failure to clearly read instructions. no where did i ask for examples of sin. It is not necessary once a clear definition is provided.[/quote]For a fibble mind like your with all kinds of evil tactics, we must go the exta mile for you. And yet, your evil mind is not satisfied!


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This was not asked? what is not equal to what?[/quote]Since huxley asked it in his original entry of this thread, it is important to answer his request as well. Islam gives complete answers. Unlike you, you have not done anything, except more inquiries! When will you even answer Huxley's request? The greatest sin is not equal before God to the lesser or other sins. The greatest of all sins is the sin of worship! Now answer other peoples questions.






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I shall do so EXACTLY the way you answered me.[/quote]I have answered you. Now what? Where is your own answer?





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Look again at the question . . . examples were not required neither did you provide a valid quranic definition for sin that can be crosschecked for accuracy.[/quote]The whole world is waiting for your Biblical answer, from Jesus. Is he not your god, higher than paul? Now make your move and lets see what your Bible says.

@Davidylan:« #32 on: Today at 09:29:03 PM »  

This should expose this man of falsehood so i will start first by juxtaposing my questions with your alleged answers.

And i told everyone before hand that you will play footsie. And I was not disappointed.

I asked for the definition of sin

Any action not pleasing to God. That include action of worshipping anything with God or worshipping that is against God's command. It also include deeds and actions that are contrary to God's commandments and injuctions.

- how does the quran EXPLICITLY define it,

Action, deed and worship that is not pleasing to Allah. What makes a person incur the wrath of Allah or considered going astray.

what makes someone a sinner?

In worship, associating anything with Allah, or total disregard for His worship.

In action and or deed, those things that are evil deed because He has commanded against them. For example homosexualism, is a sin. Stealing, backbiting, etc are all sins.

How can you overcome sin as a muslim?

If a sin is not been committed, but just thaught about, one is to fear the punishment that God has threatened man with and dont commit the sin.

If it has already been committed, one should seek sincere forgiveness and also do a good deed over it, so that it can be wiped off from the record, or rather not been recorded.

by what means is previous sins commited in ignorance removed?

Simply seeking forgiveness and make a conscious effort not to repeat the sin. Then remember Allah with your heart, and tongue; make tesbih; Subuhannallah, Alhamdulillah, Laailaha lilallah, Allahu Akbar, Walahullah wa la kuwata ilabilal alilazhim. Astagirullah wa tubu illayk. Laillaha illaant, subhannah, ini kuntun mina Zhulimi. Alhandullillah, Sukrulillah. Sakrnia'ma. Any and all or more of these are enough, by Allah to wipe off any sin. Of course you have to be a believer, knowing fully well that there is no other but Allah the Almighty alone.


Now your mind should be able to understand. If you are not, am sure others will see that your kingdom is empty.

@Davidylan:

simple - it was because the disciples were not initially aware that the "swords" Christ talked about was NOT a physical sword of war but one for spiritual warfare . . . brother Paul describes that sword here - Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Aha, the "war" is not against flesh and blood . . .

Again brother Paul explains further . . . 2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

For the ignorant - carnal means physical . . . so truly the weapons Christ talked about in Luke 22 were not physical BUT meant for spiritual warfare as is described in Ephesians 6?

Well brother Paul again helps us to clearly define that sword - Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

There we go . . . Now we understand more clearly what swords we were to sell our cloaks to buy.

Sadly i do not think our muslim brethren will understand this at all . . . for indeed they are blind and dead in their sins.

David had turn his religion to mere laboratory experiments. Its funny that he forgot that he said that they purchased the Sword because its parts of the acutrents of journey, along with staffs, etc. But the same Jesus said that he was not on earth to bring peace but war. What do you use for war, especially when he said that the children will be set against the parents? Are all of these spiritual and not physical?

Just as well as Mohammad was present to record all those tales he put in his quran?

Except that Muhammad (as) ws an elect of God. Watch this Muhammad, rasulullah. Thats in the Qur'an. And you need to learn that the dome of the rock is where he ascended to heavens and came back, in one night! And all of Christianity and Judaism are fighting to reclaim it, yet in all, it is in the hands of the Muslims.  Think about that. In all your splendor, it is beneath the feet of the noble prophet (AS).

It took Paul who was absent throughout the 33 years of the life of Jesus to know better than Jesus who was the elect of father god? Yet it was Jesus  who spoke, in the place of father god! Is Paul not the leader of Christianity, in a higher ranking than Jesus, if you pay attention to details? We need paul to set straight what Jesus kinda present with whatever interpretation anyone choose to come out with. David is a haha person.

@Davidylan: Below is my responses. I defined sin. I gave ther types of sins. I also provide examples. I finally states that they are not equal. Now read and provide your own answer. How does Bible define it, the the rest of the informations.

@Davidylan: In worship; all worship is a sin, except what Allah permits. So when iblis refused prostration to Adam, that was a sin of Iblis. Whoever worships anything other than Allah is also a sinner. So your 3 godhead, trinity is obviously a sinful thing, since it is not a permissable thing. Those who refuse to acknowledge the presence and or the Lordship of God Almighty alone are also sinners. So the hindus, atheists, etc are just sinners like the Jews and Christians.


And in deeds and action; all deeds and actions are permissable, except what is forbidden. So unjust killing, sex outside prescribed marriage and in prescribed manners, severing ties of family relations, stealing and consumptions of goods in an illegal manner, etc, all are sins.


Now, David, its your turn. I am tired of your bruhaha. Ypu blow too much smoke, and no heat or fire.



And the greatest of all sins, in the sin of worship. Interestingly, it is what Iblis committed as a jinn/genie and it is the first sin immediately after Adam was created, prior to Eve's creation. I am giving you specifics. And Adam was created between Asr and magrib Salah timeon Friday! You have to match my information, otherwise you have produced nothing.


Defination: What God prohibits, or what He does not allow by His commandments and laws.

Sins are in two categories: Worship and deeds of actions.

In the case of worship: Worshipping any other without God being the exclusive Object of worship. And also not worshipping Him at all. Examples: Idol worshipping, Trinity, or obedience to others without direct authority from God and the atheist, etc also are among this group, because from their own deductions they cancel God out.


In the case of deeds and actions: Whatever that is commanded not to do is a sin. Examples are unjust killings, illegal sex act, illegal consumptions of properties belonging to someone else, including ophans, severing the relationship with the family/bloodlines.


I believe you can't claim that you did not see it now. I am sure you will tap dance your way through it. Watch David do his okey doke, everyone.

@Davidylan: #27 on: Today at 08:47:17 PM »  

Olabowale and babs, keep spamming the thread with your long posts, no one is reading.

All of a sudden you become a woosy. How come? What happened?



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Which war?   There was no war at all well after Christ resurrected and many of the disciples died so which war did you think they were preparing swords for? No, they were asked to buy swords because they were going on a journey . . . in those days the tools of a traveller included a stave and sword for self defence . . .[/quote]Which journey? To where? have they made any journey before and why this one needed a sword in place of cloak? If your a talking of peaceful person, always, why need a means of defense by Sword? David, you dey lie too much, bro. Self defense? You should be ashamed of yourself! I bet the sword is for beautification of the cloak they no longer have. Very cosmetic! Ojoro David poo ju. wow. I wanna see how he will get out of this one. Like a weezle or a badger or a wolferine?

I'm willing to bet on this. Dont worry about me.

I worry about you, considering what happened to Jesus, courtesy of the Bible, in his last days on earth. If he could not help himself, but cried out, complaining, why has thou forsakened me, i do not have any hope in him helping you. You only judge a book by what is written in it. In the case of jesus of the Bible, he died while complaining. You do not expect him to do better for than he did for himself.

@Noetic: Davidylan is like you ducking. Both of you are hiding behind your index fingers! You should take a stab at the question. Come on man, show some spunks.

@Davidylan: « #15 on: Today at 05:48:11 PM »  
1. So many christian leaders stepped up to condemn robinson's clearly misguided comment - how many of your clerics have openly condemned terrorism?

[/quote]Many. I was in Masjid Taqwa on Fulton and Bedford streets, Brooklyn New York, the days following 911. The Police community relation officers, and others from the city listened to the Muslim speakers, one after another. They all condemned 911 and terrorism, in general, with supporting quotes from Qur'an and hadith.

Harun Yahyah, a Turkish writer penned a book on this. Please goggle it. There was a council of worldwide muslim scholars that came to America and travelled from place to place. One of the members was a Yoruba nigerian scholar, a PH.D. holder in Islamic jurispudence. I think African Abroad New paper had excerpt of his speech and his interview about the woman that was supposed to be stoned to death because of illegal sex act. I guess all of these went past you, without noticing  any efforts of the muslims.




[quote]2. Robinson has since apologised for his remarks - Osama is still threatening to bomb Nigeria.

3. NONE of Robinson's congregation took up guns to go shoot Chavez - Osama's foot soldiers have since forced the US, UK, Spain, India, Indonesia . . . to taste the bitter pill of suicide bombers.

Thou hypocrite, what was your question again?

Are you showing a sign of splitting from the seams, again? You are the rock, arent you? You will not forget that just the other day somebody was threatening to get rid of Obama. And that person in Florida is not a muslim. Just imagine that. You never stop on religion, but skin color is part of Christian current measurements of classifications. And the Mynamar or is it Sri Lanka Tiger group are also muslims? David you are so busted.

Did you hear ahmedinejad TWICE threaten to push Israel into the sea? Maybe you need hearing aids.

I heard him, all the time. maybe he copied Jesus in the purchase of Sword without not meaning to use it. I do need hearing aids. But do you have any excuse for one?

Dont be ridiculous, in the US such murderers are actively prosecuted and jailed . . . in Lebanon, a convicted killer was hailed as a hero and welcomed by the president.

Have you heard of the US saying, my enemy'e enemy is my friend? America has no permanent friends, you know. At one time Hussain of Iraq was the best friend of USA. face reality. I also live in America. Israel's pogroms of Muslims in and out Palestine is probably the Lebanese care less about them. But thank God that from the community of the Jews, there are handful are pushing the envelope of telling the world about the evil of the Zionists over the Palestinian Muslims and the minority Christians. The issue is this, why havent the christians helped their christian brothers and sisters, at least among the palestinians?

I have always asked you hypocritem was Tim Mcveigh a christian? did he secretly confess to you that he bombed the building because of the bible? Engage your brain bro, its not much work.

You should read about him. He is your brother in the religion. I guess you never paid any attention to anything around you. Goggle the materials on the case and be amazed.

the FBI did a wonderful job wiping out the group. Hello . . .Afghans are busy protecting Osama in their caves.

David you are unaware of whats going on in the world. Aghanistan, the regime of Ahmad Karzai?  Can anyone help this man? I love him, but I can't help him in this mindset that he has. If Karzai regime was on the side of the Taliban or the Al Qaidah, would it have been possible that any nation, collision of not could have invaded that land? David, wake up!

Where in the quran is this nonsense supported or are u busy writing your own quran again?

Think for a moment, if the life of a mother is threatened, will it be okay to let her die, while preventing an abortion of a 3 month pregnancy? Shouldn't a child have a mother, or a 3 month fetus can survive on its one, without the mother?

If a woman is raped by a stranger, or an obviously psychotic, do you want her to carry the prgnancy though? Anyway a rapist is a crazy and psychotic person.

Tell that to the marines.

You have a mindset of a whole community for a life of one person. Now tell that to the uncountable Iraqis that fell through the hands of non-muslims!

Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

1. That was a clear injunction from Christ that when He talked about a "sword" He was not refering to a physical sword of violence but the Sword of the spirit.

2. That was the LAST TIME any of the disciples ever used a sword.

I'm not surprised though that you choose to be a fraud.

Liar, if it was the sword of the mind, did his disciple used sword of the mind to severe the sentry's ear? Or was Jesus telling his disciple to put back the sword of the mind in its place? Your fraudulent response is like swiss cheese, holey and weak. If those who carry sword die by the sword, does this statement get fulfilled, always, or its just one of the selective statements that may or may not mean what it really says?

How about the ones who die by the cross? What do they carry? I bet you have no single shred of an answer! Everyone is watching to see your answer.


Sincerely, I did not want to engage you any further since my brother and sister are doing greater job in their responses. You need to think hard while you are alive. Do not die on the belief that you have now. Jesus will disappoint you, when he will not be in the position of being a petitioner before God!

@MALAMA:

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Ayinba1,
did u also read that the disciple who cut off someone's ear was rebuked by Jesus?Does that not show that Jesus is against physical fight/terrorism and all what nought?

You should therefore ask yourself,what was the essence of telling somebody to buy sword, especially when he declared that he brought no peace, but war? Was it supposed to be for decoration or to be used for what it was designed for, war, the very thing he declared that he brought? You seem to be apologetic instead of being truthful. Was it not Jesus who overturn the tables of the money changers? Was that action not physical and the money changers did not think that was a form of terror? Enough of the white washing.

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Even when one of Jesus' captors' ear was cut off by a disciple,Jesus healed that man's ear! Can u imagine that even in the face of death,He was still healing.Ever heard of such love?
It is wrong to hate terrorists or muslims,what must be hated are the terrorists' acts.

Ever heard of such forgiveness displayed by Muhammad when makka was captured, without a drop of blood and the wholesale amnesty proclaimed. I will rather be forgiven than be loved. Forgiveness is greater than love, while love could be tough love. Tough love is hard, it does not protect you from being punished, while forgiveness does.

@Davidylan: While you are dealing with laws, a by the way matter if you ask me, please note that the thread is about sins and their degrees, if not all equal. I have also answered your challenge in the thread you boldly requested that I answer you first, before you present your Biblical definition of sin. I have given examples of each 2 major groups of sins.

Where is davidylan? Are you gonna yellow belly yourself out of this matter? Please don' flip flop about this. I dislike flip flopper who flip flops more than the pool side rubber flip floppers.

@Cayon: I surrendered by will to Allah, while I was still a spirit, a mere soul. I have continued to have that surrendering as a daily thing in my life. I accepted all the prophets, including Jesus, from Adam through Muhammad as my prophets.

@Cayon: I thought a person have to die before giving up the ghost? Yes or no? Give me an answer. david needs to answer the challenge, without trying to hide behind his own finger!

And the greatest of all sins, in the sin of worship. Interestingly, it is what Iblis committed as a jinn/genie and it is the first sin immediately after Adam was created, prior to Eve's creation. I am giving you specifics. And Adam was created between Asr and magrib Salah timeon Friday! You have to match my information, otherwise you have produced nothing.

@Davidylan: In worship; all worship is a sin, except what Allah permits. So when iblis refused prostration to Adam, that was a sin of Iblis. Whoever worships anything other than Allah is also a sinner. So your 3 godhead, trinity is obviously a sinful thing, since it is not a permissable thing. Those who refuse to acknowledge the presence and or the Lordship of God Almighty alone are also sinners. So the hindus, atheists, etc are just sinners like the Jews and Christians.


And in deeds and action; all deeds and actions are permissable, except what is forbidden. So unjust killing, sex outside prescribed marriage and in prescribed manners, severing ties of family relations, stealing and consumptions of goods in an illegal manner, etc, all are sins.


Now, David, its your turn. I am tired of your bruhaha. Ypu blow too much smoke, and no heat or fire.

@Davidylan: And since you do not have any understanding of your religion, its better i teach you. What is the definition of sin? What constitute a sin? Are all sins equal? Is there a sin greater than all?

Finally, I gave my own opinion of hanging pictures on the walls, rather than keeping them somewhere else. It sometimes lead to personal ego, especially a striking desired person who comes out in the pictures, with great personality. The human mind loves showing off. A good heart have to shun things like that. That is Jihad all by itself.

@Davidylan:

It is not clear what sort of motivation you claim they draw from the bible? Is it the portion that says "vengeance is mine saith the Lord" or that which enjoins us to "love those that hate us and those who dispitefully use us"?

Since Jesus is your lord, no wonder that he stated that he came not to bring peace but war and also encouraged the purchases of sword from the sales of clothings.

These above quotes that you made above, are they in your mind leading you to the same direction, except that they completely tear you into opposite sides? When can you imitate your lord Jesus in his "vengeance is mine' statement? Is there a time in the process of a crime? And is there a time that the "love those that hate us, ," is not applicable? I hope you will remember 911, 77 and others and the reactionary steps of the so called christian communities and governments when you respond.

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Motivated by the same ideology? NO. While the quran EXPLICITLY encourages the muslim terrorist and promises him a reward for being a shahid, the bible is clear - THE SOUL THAT SINNETH IT SHALL DIE.[/quote]And what will you therefore say about Jesus statement that he was not to bring peace, but war? Or his command to his followers to sell their cloaks and purchase swords, instead? Is that peace, ala Christianity? And when Huxley was asking for definition of Sin, you have failed to give any.

I am now asking your definition of sin, here and now. Please give us example and how do you make them sinful acts? Which is the greatest of sins? And are all sins equal if none is greater? I wanna see how bold you are, or maybe you will falter.

Again that is FALSE. Your deliberate use of the phrase in highlights is a fraudulent attempt to again co-opt deluded "christian" killers into the wider group of religious terrorists thus equating them with muslims. It is NOT a tiny tiny minority of muslims who advocate terrorism, while anti-abortionists are relatively confined to the US, muslim terrorists span the middle east, Europe, Africa, Oceania, Asia . . .

Another huge difference; while 70% of English muslims tacitly supported terrorist activities after 7-7, virtually NO christian group supports anti-abortionists.

I wonder if the Christian conservative movement under the likes og Hagee, and Robinson, and the other pseudo christian leaders qualify as christians, therefore? Robinson,shamelessly advocated for the murder of Hugo Chavez and others. I am sure your hearing is impaired when it comes to things like that. Those who attack the abortion clinics are not just lone rangers, but the errant persons of the larger group and community. The Federal Morrow building in Oklahoma city was not bombed without the wider reason based to advanced the conservatism of the Christian specific group at large.

You sound as if you forgot David Koresh's branch dividian group in Waco Texas. And by the way, while islam does not support abortion, but when the life of the mother is in danger, and in rape, it does allow in this special cases. Allah is merciful and human life is better when it is preserved than wasted, especially unjustly.

@Weimar:

~Lady~. That is very explicit. I believe the Sabbath day is still binding. Jesus' statement: "I am the Lord of the Sabbath," confirms that He instituted the law of the Sabbath in both Exodus 20 and 31. The statement indirectly alluded that Christ is the creator of the Sabbath. This will mean that He first initiated the keeping of the Sabbath at creation. This also mean that the Sabbath is one of the early, solid blessings He gave to man as a gift, after man was created. In fact, it would seem that mankind first had their first party with God on the Sabbath. No wonder the Bible says that after God has created everything on the Seventh day, He rested from all His work and blessed the Sabbath day. Gen. 2:2-3.

In the light of your statement above, would you consider Mark 12 Verse 29 correct, or incorrect as it is written in plain and readable English, without a need for any INTERPRETATION?




@Mad_Max:

You keep forgetting that Christ was a JEW. The Lord of the Sabbath says nothing about Christians and whether the sabbath is binding on us, and the books to which you refer are in the old testament books, which describe jewish laws and customs and God's covenant with the Jews. The Lord of the Sabbath implies that he might be a Jew but he is also God, and is ABOVE the Sabbath and is not bound by it. He demonstrates this by flouting the Sabbath whenever he wills, much to the consternation of the religious leaders of the day. But following the sabbath or not doesn't affect one's salvation, so I guess it's a matter of choice.

I am sensing that your god is human and Jewish? How do you therefore explain the statement made by Jesus about coming not to abolish the laws and the prophets, but to fulfill it, and, further his saying that whoever so unfulfill the littliest of the laws, and, encourages any to do so will be the least in the kingdom of heaven? Now tell me what station is the least in the Kingdom of heaven, except Hellfire or the Christian's fire of lake?

If Jesus, your human Jewish god hence from the above flouting of the sabbath has so much disregard sabbath, what reflection is it to the "I have not come to abolish the laws and the prophets, ?" Do you find agreement between the two or disagreement? Which is right? Who have told the truth, Jesus, you who assume that he is god and can do as he wills, including going against his own earlier statement, or the fiction writers of the Bible? Or is there a better opinion from you, an explanation that will satisfy an enquiring minds, like mine?


@Davidylan: I invite an explanation from you as I have of Mad_Max.

@Cool4ny; You are half correct. But a thief is a thief, even when you call him a robber or white collar criminal. This is what mazaje was saying. Amongst the sexual deviants are pastors, reverend fathers, etc. The jewish rabbis are not immune from this classification, either. I believe you get it now. Its in simple straight forward english.

@Davidylan: When I think of your response and that of ~lady~, there is quite a similarity. Both of you are naive and ignorantly narrowminded. Your style of argument is like a person who slept through an incidence. But after he woke up became the expert, over those who were participants and eye witnesses. You are more like Saul, who became Paul over the so called brothers of Jesus or any of the other 12 disciples. You wanna learn about the History of islam, go to the Arabs, or Muslims, but definitely not the Western Christians, etc.

Who will the house flies side with in a quarrel, except the man with the open wound, which they feed from. Thats a statement of fact.

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Dont be such a cute little hypocrite, call it what it is . . . muslims INVADED and FORCEFULLY, ILLEGALLY occupied Jerusalem. How can they "take over" what was not theirs?

I ask you the same thing about the Jews; how can they take over what does not belong to them? Did you watch CNN's Jewish God Warriors, hosted by Christiana Amanpour, last evening? The Jews are claiming Abraham as their father, hence Palestine is theirs. Let me ask you, was Abraham an ethnic or religious Jew?


You you and the Jews forgot that he was an Iraqi or that Judaism was not a religion in his lifetime? The brain for academics is actually not the same for common knowledge. If it were, the Jews would have awoken to their wrong assumptions.

And of course the Christian Zionists are eagerly awaiting a doomday afternoon (similar to the movie Dog Day afternoon of Al Pacino), for the Jews when the christian's human god arrives. Now who is the terrorists and terrorists in waiting?

lol these muslims forever leave you speechless with their penchant for ridiculous lies.

And the Christians are forever trying to tell more ridiculous lies! You always give us what the mindset of a christian is, with your ignorant lies. Is there no truth telling in your essence? Come on, David! Learn about the world, first, before you provide any response.

Theh crusades were to drive muslims OUT of jerusalem. Any history textbook shld dispel your tasteless lies.

And the crusaders did a very poor job. Alas, there are more Muslims in Jerusalem, today than the Christians. But wait don't the christians find it ironic that the Jews are persecuting the Palestinian Christians, just as much as the muslims? What are you going to do about a new crusade to help just the Palestinian Christians? I am sure you will ignore this tinnie winnie question, when next you produce what you think is a response. Everyone should take a note what david will do.

the same nation exporting violent wahhabism and funding extremism in other nations? Your hypocrisy just gets worse.

Until after september 11, 2001, I have never heard of Wahhabists, wahhabism, etc. It it exist, it was more of a religious group. Just because they are not intending to mix with the west or accept everything they do, could not be automatically be taken as wanting to ruin the western people?


Or could it, from your own thinking? I do not eat pork for example. But that does not mean that I will personally destroy every pig I see. I do not want to be a Christian or want to go to Church. But I have no hatred toward neither Christians because they are Christians, nor the Churches because they are the places of their worships.

Your hypocrisy will not let you see that the Christians and Jews, as the major examples have not practiced live and let live with the Muslims. The Christians have always intended to christianized the muslims. If you are not aware of it, have the gut to watch Youtube's Christian Missionary Atrocities. The Jews have turned God to an ethnic belonging rather than what God truly is, The Creator of all, without any exception, who deserves the worship of everyone of us.

Then check out Islamic perception of God-human relationship; the human attain closeness, to God only by their Worship of Him, alone and doing good deeds for His pleasures. We call this God consciousness in obedience and piety. (Iman and Taqwa!).

Samba . . . all that is theory . . . what is more important is the number of dead after 9-11, 7-7, Madrid . . . those who paid with their lives for the mohammad cartoons, Darfur, Lebanon, AFghanistan, suicide bombers in Iraq . . .

THOSE are the facts that 5000 words of hypocritical nonsense CANNOT erase. Tell that "islam is peace" nonsense to the blind and the deaf.

Your thinking is even worse than the Jewish "undergroud" Zionist groups who said teeth for a tooth, many many more lives for a single live. Now tell me, how does your heart settle after the many hundreds of thousands of muslims killed both in Afghanistan and Iraq as a response to 911 by thec collision forces? Now what did Iraq do, in the case of 911? Have you been sleep walking through the new millienum? If your christian bosses were to do justice, they should have invaded Makka!

Then we will see which side God will be on. Thats how to do it. And all the rest is empty rhetorics. Hey dave, Russia just invaded Georgia. Unfortunately, you can't blame it on Islam. You will not see any evil in lives lost, except where muslims are involved as the "villians."

@Davidylan:

It is common knowledge that muslims use amulets and charms . . . from rings to tesbiu. Olabowale can crow as loudly as he wants. Islam is slowly being exposed as the creation of the devil.

Which devil, dave? The same devil we say audhu billahi minal shaitani rajim against? Be serious man. Is there an equivalent phrase in any other religion like the curse that Islam pronounces against shaitan, as written above?

The muslims who have amulets are copying the ways of the Kufar; eg, Christians, and others.