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@4Him:

- In one breath the bible is corrupt YET you are going to "serve" me verses from that same "corrupt" book to prove mohammad is in there?

Oga malam, which is which?

Corruption means doctoring, changing from 100% original! Yet some truth can still remain in a corrupted material. You know that they are manufacturing some fake goods, materials, items. Lets say Coach products. The fake still has the insigna, etc. And of course it is made with the same materials as the original. But for the trained eyes, eg. the Coach company executives, can easily tell the fake from the real Macoy. This is the same process you should apply with the corrupted Bible versus the Original Books that came to the prophets who received the revelations before the Scribes used their pen to cahnge 'em!

The other day you tend to insuniate that Coptic is only applicble in religious term. I on the other hand state that it is also an ethnic name, like Jew could mean ethnic or religion!

@away4real:

However, the moment Islam is put under the light, u guys get uncomfortable and start threathening. Go to your Islam room now, what is it?

For the uptenth time why do u guys try so hard to bring Jesus into the Koran, do u really crave credibility.

Mohammed is not in the bible and we don't want him there, keep him in the Koran, we are sure of the bible.

Then please explain the Biblical verse "I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." We see that the speaker, is speaking about the future, to the listener, Moses. If therefore God is the Speaker in this case, He was telling a prophet, Moses that He will raise up another prophet, having the same nature as Moses, a mere prophet, not a son of God, or equal/coequal to God, etc, from the same family tree, but could be different branch. This future prophet will only say what is put in his mouth, and will not have any authority to make up things on his own. Since he is commanded, he is a subordinate to the Commander, indicating a lower rank, in authority. Can this low ranking, command taking prophet like unto Moses, ever could be Jesus, your god, a part of your trinity? Not ever likely! This can only be Muhammad. You will have to eat your words either way because Muhammad is in the bible, or jesus is that lowly prophet who yield to commandments and have no authority of his own. This will kill your Trinity, wouldn't it?

Either way you lose. Where are Queenisha (By the way coming up with these strange names will not help your case. Your ID is known by your speech. Leopard never can change her spot!) and davidylan? Help your brother in this hard to carry assignment!

Jesus is the christ, he is our saviour, he was crucified and on the 3rd day rose from the dead and is seated at the right hand of the father. We know for certain that Mohammed is not in the bible in any form and Jesus not in the Koran.

You are poutting to much. You are not making any sense. Now deal with the above, about Muhammad. Then read surah Saff (Those who set in Arrays), verse 6. Compare it with the statement of Jesus about coming of the future comforter!

Please explain Mark 12 verse 29 and also Matt 5 verse 12. While Mark verse is telling us that Jesus is subjected to the authority of the same One Lord God as his audience, we read that Matt verse is indicating to us that the Jews do not believe Jesus to be even a prophet because only a false prophet would blasphame to say that he is equal to God.

Please do us all a favour and stop trying to call Jesus Isa he is not. Isa can be your prophet am not here not disprove that.

If away4real is a son and a father of some people, it will be such a silly thing, that his children will tell his uncle, who calls him never, that their father is nobody's nephew! This is your poor thinking, when you say that the Jewish prophet, son of Mary could not be called an arabic name, while you eat up his Hellenic name as Jesus! Who has more right over a semitic person, a semite who has blood relation with him or an arian somewhere in Europe, without any bloodline?

What you are saying is that the Egba people in Yorubaland do not have right over me, an Ijebu man, while the Ashante people of Ghana do!

I was going to respond to babs but then read this and decided it frankly wasnt worth it. I have merely highlighted the areas i think muslims who are sincere need to consider carefully

David, am extremely disappointed in your reasoning here. Your support of this away4real is very shameful. It is very clear to me here that you do not know how to argue, by this silly support of a guy who was only throwing temper tantrum like you know what. Osisi, I dey lie here, oh girl?

@Qeenisha:

In the portion where the Scriptures warns us of false prophets that will arise and deceive many.
He fulfilled that prophecy to the "T"

please care to show the readers where Mo was specifically mentioned in the Bible

The voice is that of Jacob, but the skin is furry like that of Esau! I know who you are, who am I? The guy who knows by Allah what you do not know.

Now, show me how Muhammad (as), fits your false prophet. Then I will show you Muhammad in your Bible. Considering that the verses that I will show him from will not be talking about Jesus, who you consider your small god!

Today, na today.

@Davidylan:

1 Corinthians 1: 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Baba Agba David, please tell me, whose name was Jesus baptized? In whose name were the 12 disciples of jesus baptized?

Please stop pedalling Paul, omo Boy! The whole gimmick rests on Paul's.

@Grouppoint: Is this how to prove a point? Unfortunately, you did not reference the Bible Verse of Mark 12 verse 29, where Jesus himself said that his Lord and God is the same lord and God of his audience! This very verse should have convince you that if Jesus was a lord, his lordship is just the same as the kings and regents of african villages, towns and cities!

I guess a lord that is depending on another Lord for support, is not a lord, afterall.

@SeanT21: My dear sis, 2 is not 3. And definitely 3 can never be equal to 1! Trinity does not exist, even in the Bible.

@Pastor AIO:
I like the way you put it, setting mom straight for the first time. So really, you agree wth me that the second lord in that verse is just a toothless lord, who actually depends on the real Lord? If you agree with me, why the heck are you in that group of 3 gods in 1?

Aren't you looking forward to altimate romance in paradise., man? I thought red blooded people will be looking for the best of what they enjoy.

Matthew 22:30 because in the resurrection, people neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven.

You may not have sex, when you are recreated, because your condition may be so dire that you will wish to return to this earth to have a correct belief. However, me and all muslims, InshaAllah will go to Paradise. Part of the benefit of paradise is having all that is good on earth in an heavenly level. That includes its all its elementsand including the ejoyment of it.

So, since sex, part of the benefits of marriage is enjoyable and desired by real people, men and women, I am therefore looking forward to my full share, in heavens. You better join this group of those who will have good wholesome benefit of God'sfavor to be enjoyed in Paradise.

@Grouppoint: Please enlightened me? Which one is greater; the son that never ate and or defeacated (the Angels) or the son that ate, defeacated and lived like ordinary man?

Please since you may bring up "begotten," when you are going to talk about the sonship of Jesus, versus those of the Angels (I also believe that the angels assexuals. how then can they take daughters of man for wives and have children? But thats beside the point, except that i want you think about it for a moment), how does begotten comes about? How can you beget a child except that there is real sex takes place? How did God do this since there was no real sex here, or there was? If the answer is that there was no real sex, how did it happen and how then can Jesus be the begottened, except its only in mere name only, by those who wanted it to look so?

Interestingly, whats fallen Angels? If the fell, as in go against God, how could they still be sons of god, even as the sinned? If this is so, will it not nollify that fact that sinless God produces sinful sons and that may make Jesus brother to sinful siblings? Hence Jesus may not be sinless as the Christians think? Wouldn't all his interractions with the devil be considered s sinful, when one comsidered that he was controlled so easily as he was driven into the wilderness? I will like your explanations on the above.

If you chop down a tree that is good and not dead by just beginning to have leaves at the beginning of the spring, thereby depriving the birds and other animals to use it for their homes, and the summer shade that it should have provided for humans lazing about around it, will this not be a sinful thing?

At your the Lord said to my Lord, from David, proves nothing, except that there are two Lords here. Which one is truly the Lord? WE get that from the Lord that is capable of telling the other Lord what He will do for the Lesser Lord. Thelesser lord seems to be powerless and depends on the Greater Lord, who is capable of doing everything, including protecting the lesser lord. Do you now understand, that it is God Almighty who can protect Jesus and not the other way around? Sincerely, where is the third of the Trinity in this equation; on an errant? That seems to be what the holy spirit/ghost is known for!

And, oh since we are talking about when we were in the spiritual realm, I, Olabowale, was in spiritual existence before david ever was created as a human being. I was in spiritual realm before father Ibrahiim was created as a human being on this earth. Yet Ibrahim (as) was long gone from this earth before David (as). But there is no place in the Bible that Jesus could be clearly indicated to exist in heaven prior to the creation of Adam! Why? All man body and soul/spirit is from father Adam! That included that of Mother Eve!

@Babs787: Each time I read your piece, I have the urge to learn from you. Alhamdulillah. May Allah increase you in Iman and Ilm.

The statement that when Allah loves a soul, He gives Him Iman and beneficial knowledge, is true. You are a good example of it.


@Javalove: To illustrate what I was alluding to and what Babs 787 had cleverly pointed out, above; there is a dua that one can make which is something like this:

Oh Allah bless me as you have blessed those whom you have blessed before me. Something like that. However you should not say oh Allah in the name of Muhammad or things of that nature. Rather, you can say in your love for Muhammad (AS), whom is your nobliest of servants, bless me, or in any of all the reverences that God has shown His uniqueness and sole power to be the One to supplicate to. In essence, you are saying to the Almighty that it is clear that He loves His prophet, you are also demanding the clarity in His blessing of you as you hope for it.

If I worded it wrongly, or come across in a bad way, I ask Allah to forgive me because my intention is not to mislead. may Allah accept our effort, all together.

You need to talk to your brother who is getting married. You have to tell him that you have an examination on the same day. You also have to assure him, that after the examinations, you will head to his occasion for which good things are happening to him.

You however can not give any excuse to the examination body. Your brother should accept your excuse, in goodfaith, because it is forbidden to be suspecious in islam. When you arrive, finally after your examinations, you may, out of your own reassurance of goodliness show the paper/remnant of materials from the examination to him, before you return to your own home, since you do not live together. You make sure that he sees you, is an assurance of your presence. Participate in this celebration of goodliness day as much as possible for you to.

I wish you well.

Am making my own analysis, without distrupting the on going conversation with other people.

The Trinity: The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.

Trinity simply means 3 entities. This is different from Unity, as in Unity Theory, a mathematically problem solved by Dr. Oyinbo. A Nigerian from Bendel state, on Long Island New York State. Unity means bringing to One. That is not Trinity which is 3 entities or derivative of it.

In simple terms the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God.
How can this be?
The Son is called the Word of God and the Spirit is called the Spirit of God.
God cannot be separated from his Word and his Spirit. If so, then the question arises, who existed first? God, His Word or His Spirit?

As the word embodies the entity that speaks the word, it however does not makes the word that speaker, or in true sense of manifestation makes the speaker the word. What the word does is simply the embodiment of what the speaker intends. For example, when a parent leaves words for the children. It is the instructions to the children. They are to follow it as it represents the parent. But the parent is not the word.

God created heaven and earth out of his Word. The world came to be through the Word of God. God's Word existed with him and is subject to him.

Please let us apply the same facts about the word and the creations of heaven and earth to the creation of Jesus as well. Otherwise, we have to be consistent on the matters of Jesus and the word on one hand and the heaven and earth and th word on the other. Jesus was a command as heaven and earth was just commandment from God, by His word which make them come to existence as He willed in the commandments. Please continue to read your own writing. Remember that you have just continued to talk about God and Jesus, wherebt the spirit/holy spirit/holy ghost is just completely ignored.

Jesus is God's Word made flesh,

Just the same way that the heaven and earth are God's word made physical. Interestingly, There were example of harder human creations before esus was created. Each one of them is a new creation: Adam, a man created from admixture of water and soil, but no father and no mother. Eve was creaed a woman, without a mother, if Adam was taken as her father, because of the piece of material she was created from came from his body. These two people, slept with each other to produce male and female children, the first time sex was involved in creation. The children, brothers and sisters married each other to produce another generation of people. The cousins now married each other, to produce another generation, whereby the population is now exploding and agreater gene pool is now being experience. Interestingly, Jesus did not come to existence afterall of these and after humans were wiped out to a just handful in the Flood that occurred during the prophetic period of Noah.

why did the Word become flesh? Because of the sin of man.

You then are obligated to tell us why the word became physical in the case of heaven and earth?

Sin separates man from God.

Could you tell us when man was never separated from God? In other words, was there a time from Adam, onward that man and god are never separated? If there is no time then the concept of sin separating man from God will be wrong.

God is the only one who is sinless and in his infinite love and mercy he came upon the earth as a man. He had to come of a woman whom herself is freed from sin as sinful cannot give birth to sinless, that is why Mary is full of grace as the angel greeted her.

From your own statement we see that Mary herself is freed from sin. This simply means she was not created with the ability to sin, or prevented from sinning or whenever she sinned, she was immediately forgiven as it was never recorded for her. If this is the case, then, you have more than one person on the earth who did not sin. If the craterion of being "GOD," on earth is simply being sinless, as you have said that God is in heaven, since you said that he had to come on earth, in the person of Jesus, then we would assume that Mary was also God.

Bt wait, who decides what is sin or sinfulness? The one who decides, in this case god, will out to be above it. Anything that He deemed sinful, will have to be by His authority, alone, after He has warned against it. You can not be guilty about something unless there is a standing statement to indicate it as such. In other words, if thiefery was not a thing already considerd as sinful, w2ho ever took things that belong to othrs and not their own, would not have been considered to have committed thiefery!

Jesus Christ was equally man and God. He is truly man and truly God. With him man and God come together in a union. He is the "meeting" place for man and God.

If Jesus is all of this to man, becaues he is God's word to man, then the heaven and earth will have to be the same to the galaxies and the planetary systems, known and yet unknown! Thats even harder, since Jesus deals with just humans, male and female, while the heaven and earth deal with many more and complex creations. Now, what is playing the same role for the animals as Jesus is for man and heaven and earth are for the planetary things? Give me what is playing that role for the many flesh eating animals, eg Lion, Tiger, Leper, Cheatter, Hyienna, etc?

Why did he have to die?
To free us from sin.

Yet we still have loads of people who commit sins. Let just concentrate on the Christians, alone, being the single group that believe this roke you are saying that Jesus played.

Sin is the barrier that separates us from God. God cannot look upon sin.

But God allow the sinner, eg those who do not believe that he exists to eat, healthy, etc. Some of these peple are the most wealthy people on earth. Bill Gates is a very good example. I do not want to even talk about the hindus etc. God can look on sins. How else are sins recorded into the book of deeds which wll be read out in the day of Judgement?

When our first parents were created they were without sin. They could seek the face of God, but after disobedience they could no longer do so, because they now clothed themselves with sin. This disobedience had to be overturned and in so doing reconciling us to God.

Are you saying that Adam and his wife, Eve were not forgiven, as it is recorded that they were inspired to seek forgiveness from God, immediately, as they arrived on earth? If this is not the case, are you then saying that their fate is the same as the fate of the evil one who incited them to the evil that occurred in the garden? If this is the case, then what is the fate of those who came before Jesus was born and then began his ministry, by which you gave him the title of the one who overtuned the sinfulness of all after him and reconcile man to God? What about Noah who by his prayer, the human raise was wiped out to a feww people who were saved with him in his vessel, because they believed his message?

Taking us back to the image and likeness in which he made us. He made us in his likeness (without sin) now with Christ we can get back to that likeness (without sin).

If a person steps on an insect, knowingly or knowingly, is one of the situation not sinful? If a person cut down a cherry tree, or set fire to a tree so that the tree dies, depriving animals from making nexts and homes on it, depriving man from its shade from excruciating sun rays and the head of the afternoon, or the beauty of its lushness of uts green leaves and beautiful flowers and the fragrances of its petals and nectars, will any of these be considered as sin? How many sins do we knowingly or unknowingly commit, daily?

I remember your argument with me that just merely the single passing thought of sexual relationship out of marriage, is sinful. That was just a thought that flashed through the mind and it was dismissed, immediately. Can anyone meet this sinless conditions that you had set, while he is fully engaged in life struggle and interracting with varied peoples? Please consider answering each and every idea about sin that i set forward for you to answer. If you can, but if not, its okay, too.

He made us in his image, of one body, functioning together, different parts but still of the same body and never separated. Gen 1:26 "Let us make man in our image (body, different parts but functioning together, head not separated from hands as hands not separated from leg, as legs not separated from heart), after our likeness (without sin)."

I hope you are not saying that human head and each parts of human, is like that of God's? That will destroy your believe that God is a spirit, wouldn't it? The without sin will have to be explained further. Let me try to undersatnd you; Are you saying that When Adam and his wife were created they were sinless, and the disobedience was their first sin, right? If this is so again were they forgiven, ever, hence having the good grace of God's forgiveness? If this is no, how were people forgiven before Jesus came on earth? Interestingly, Jesus did not introduce any new word for which people to seek forgiveness, other than what the people before him used to use; realising their mistakes, being contrived and seeking forgiveness from God, alone.

If Adam and Eve were created sinless, are not children created sinless as they were just born out of the mother's womb? Will a newly born baby who dies after birth be considered sinful or sinless? Say the first minute of life, without even a chance to suckle from mother?

With sin comes death, therefore Christ had to conquer death, he alone could do this by his own power because he alone is free from sin by his own power.

But ironically, Christians who truly believes in Jesus can do all that you mentioned still die! Tell me, wasn't John paul that was buried in 2004, with his fet buried some where different from other parts of his body? Did any of those who followed Jesus as his companions not die? Did paul who developed the Christian doctrines not dead, yet?

With his resurrection he defeated sin, and as he resurrected so will we do, those who walk in his footsteps. We too will resurrect in the likeness of God (without sin).

My darling, tell me one single person who has reached this very stage or level? I am not even giving you my opinion about Jesus? I am also of the opinion that everyone, those who believe with you or we who do not believe your concept above will be ressurrected. Thats how judgement will be pronounced. I wanna hear about a sinless christian, in the maintime!

As he walked the earth he showed us how to live faithfully to his commandments.

PLease tell me how he tell you to behave to your husband? Him and no one else? Tell me how he tell you to distribute your wealth, or the wealth of deceased? Tell me how he tells you to purify yourself after sexual intercourse with your partner, etc? Tell me how he tells you to lay down to sleep? Tell how he tell you to make prayer to him, or God?

As he died on the cross he showed us how to accept sufferring and doing the will of the Father without complaint.

Efeosa! Oh girl. This one pass me o! Now explain how "My God, My God, why has thou forsaken me?!," came about? If doing the will is so important why trying to refuse it and prayed against it in the prayers at the Garden of Geshemine? I did not read "Father," here but "God!" Go figure.

As he resurrected he gave us hope of one day being reconciled with the Father. To be reconciled one has to be without sin, because God does not accept sin.

You are telling me that the Christian God does not forgive. Well, people in the christendom, it seems as if you have been praying for forgiveness for nothing. The reason is that your God does not accept repentance and so He does not forgive.



Omo girl, how was the test(s)? I wish you well.

@SeanT21: Very confusing. Reason, when the Bible gives the geneology of Jesus, they never, ever nottake him as son of human persons. There is no place that they attach him as son of God in the two geneology lines in the Bible. It will be impossible to do because it will have to be that God is also the father of those forefathers of Jesus; both in bloodline, on his mother side, and the so called stepfather, Joseph the Capenter!

Interestingly, the Bible also said that the sons of God found the daughters of men pretty/beautiful/attractive and make wives of them and producebabies. I will like somebody to just explain your verse above and mine here, without fancy footworks. I want them in plain english without interpretation. These are easy and readable verses. I guess you and i are confusesd because they are opposing other major verses of the Bible.

@Davidylan:

There is already separation of church and state in Nigeria . . . we are officially a secular state.

If Nigeria is a secular state/country, is it because of its separation of "Church and State" stand, or other reason? Please explain the reason Nigeria is a secular country and not othewise. Why then, if the separation of "Church and state," is the singular reason for being a secular state, in the case of Nigeria, why is that not the case for United States of America, David? I am asking you this question, here an now, because i am going by your past comments whereby you had boldly called America a Christian Country. Please you now have the floor to make your position clear to us. I dislike your shifting and flip-flopping stand on many matters, especially where you are rigorously defending the indefensible.

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'The God of Oyedepo' .So mentioning Oyedepo is meant to be the egunje for God to answer my prayers or Oyedepo is now a co-mediator with Jesus? When will we open our eyes and refuse all these nonsense?
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Oyedepo allowed the people to yarn this nonsense intro in their prayers Hmmm, he thinks he's a demi-god
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Thats how it always start. In the case of Jesus, unfortunated, it started when he was already lifted up. And being a true Prophet, he would have rebuked then those who say "in the name of Jesus," in the same sentence with God, if he were to be around, when they first began to say it. But in the case of Oyedepo, he relishes it and loves it. His love of it provides us the window to his veracity. The truth is that he is not a prophet, otherwise it could never have been coined up, as is or in any form whatsoever.

This is what would Jesushave done moment for the christian, in particularly, who started a religion after his name. Whereas they know that he never was a Christian, and never advocated that a religion be started, after he left the earth. But alas, Jesus worshipped and prayed to God. It is that religion that he observed, under which he prayed and worshipped God that people in Christendom need to find and join. And not some make up religion.

You can see from Oyedepo's new protocol, within a deviated protocol to worship, anything can happen. Just imagine what may happen if calling Oyedepo's name in prayer continues for the next few hundred years, in his church? Definitely, you will have 2 Jesuses: one a Jew and the other a Yoruba! Whats next?

Cats are my favorite animals. I love their cleaniness and their freedom. I love them, because the prophet (AS) loves them. They are the only animal that can be kept in the masjid. Its different from dogs that must be kept outside, even in the house. Dogs can be owned for specific reason; guarding, hunting and as assisting the infirmed, eg sight assisting dogs.

@4Him:

« #361 on: February 28, 2008, 06:24 PM »
Uncle, how many "lawless ignorant people" exist in is'lam? In every nation with a large mus'lim population the story is the same . . .

Same with Christianity. In the USA, we have KKK, and others. In Israel, we have the shameless jews taking the properties of the palestinians. That is if they do not kill them and or compartmentalize them as in the days of Juderien of Eastern Europe against the Jews.

David, you like Mandela of South Africa, don't you? Who is he supporting between the Israelis and the palestinians? The palestinians, of course. You know why? He sees the similarities between his people and the palestinians. He sees the hands of the Israelis, as exactly the hands of the Afrikaan apatheid. You have never suffered. So listen to the wisdom of those who had gone through it. Mandela knows about suffereing and continuous struggle to free his people. So was Bishop Tutu. Guess what, again? Even President carter feels the same.

Where is your conscience? Did you not have any, when you migrated to America? Have you adopted the worst of this culture?

for starters my brother wont go killing your innocent aunt.

But you and your brother and your cousins will not stop at that, but until you wipe us all out, in grusome and disspeakable fashions of killing. Look around: Afghanistan, Iraq, palestine. Who are the ones dying in the hands of the disbelievers?: Muslims!

are you the first people to love someone? We love Christ . . . we havent killed Dan Brown.

Your love for him is not sincere. Other wise you would have known what love means. A proof of my statement is that you love paul more than him. If paul says something contrary to what Jesus said, you will take what Paul says and discard jesus statement. If this is love for Jesus, it speaks to the statement that if you are struck on the right cheek, turn the other. Has anyone, including the chief modern day crusader, President Bush taking this advice? PLease get off your high horse and the "holier than thou," attitude. We see through your fakery.

they werent christians either. The dishonesty in is'lam is appalling, this is an incredibly facetious example. when are you going to bring up armed robbers next?

Should you be this dishonest? When a Christian does something that you do not agree with, all of a sudden, he/she is no Christian. Dishonesty saturate your thinking, David! Tell me any verse or law in the Bible that is against any of those evil deeds that the Christians committed and you are shamelessly rejecting them .

At least in Islam, there is a ruling on how to fight and who should be killed. Your Bible does not have that. Mostly, its wholesale killings of innocent people. The city of Jericho is a good example! tell me their infractions and if you can't, then know that your Book is not the word of God! You have wrongly labelled it so.

we've heard this same hypocritical remark too many times already. You don't condone all the killings but you don't condemn them either. You only come here seeking to make excuses for this scum of the earth.

You are the father of hypocracy, David. If one Christian is killed, she never stops avenging the death until she almost wipe out the family of the killer and the killer himself! This is fairness in warfare or in revenge? An eye for an eye is better than a whole family for just one tooth of the Christian!

seems only mus'lims like to light fires all the time. You'd almost think no one else had a religion besides them.

As the muslims light the fire, you never stop stoking it as well as providing accelerants/fuel for it. You alsways want it to burn down the neighborhood. Is there anything good in that, bing the instigators, always? Is Christianity religion, today? But before it was a way of life.

A mighty fortress is our God Ps 31:3

A quote from the person whom you termed an adulterer, a killer? Do you have no shame, yet you bear his very name?

* One should make Duaa through the medium of the Ambiyaa (alayhimus-salaam) and other Pious servants. (For eg. He should say. O Allah! Accepts my Duaa through The good offices of these saintly people). (Bukhari, Bazzaar, Haakim)

That will consistute to exactly what the Christians do with Jesus and their saints. This should be avoided.

* Rub both hands over the face at the termination of the Duaa (Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi,Ibn Hibbaan, Majah, Hakim)

I have heard many scholars who think otherwise. watch the video of or read about "Pray as you see me pray." The only time robbing is bentioned is the nightly before bed recitations of the three Quls and Ayatul Qursi. The other time is when husband rub the hand of prayer on himself and his wife, on their first time together. That should be before they consumate the marriage.

Whereever we make mistakes, may Allah forgives us all.

@Davidylan

This is absurd. Jesus Christ was caucasian . . . (jews are caucasian) . . . does that mean we africans shld go bleach our skins too?

Judging from your perception of what Jesus said in the Bible, versus what Paul and company said, if Jesus had stated that people should look exactly like him, including the bleaching of the skin, and Paul said just the opposite or suggest that it is unnecessary, I see you will opt for Paul, rather than Jesus. One wonders, how Paul words and opinions could override that of your god, son of god, prophet, son of man, etc, which is Biblical Jesus, in your life? Is it not clear then that you are following Paul, while you window dress your belief with Jesus by name alone?

Funny. The Arians among the Caucasians don't think of the Jews in the same way. In the 1970s of Apatheid regime of South Africa, the Jews were given honorary white status. The same given to the Japanese! The chinese are now claiming blackness in the same south africa because of economic benefits to the small business owners. The Jews and the Japanese, were given this "honorary white" status because of their home country's economy and world standing. Not because they are truly considered white by the chrsitain afrikaan racists.

Less I forget to remind you of hitler's arian nation that was bent on wiping out the caucasian Jesus nations of 12 tribes of the children of Isreal. Are they truly caucasians? Will the Arabs not therefore qualify to be caucasians as well? Haven't you seen palestian Arabs, muslim or christians who look very european or at least same features like the Jews? Wouldn't the Pakistans and all persians, etc be considered as Caucasians as well?

Mohammed wore robes and road horses . . . shld mus'lims do the same?

We wear robe, as sunnah. If you do not wear it, it does not take you out of Islam. If you do because you are copying him (as), there is benefit for you. But others who are not muslims wera robes. And interestingly, 1400 years ago, the best mode of transportation on land were horses and camels. Camel was very good for the desert in particular. But the Qur'an mentions ships on water. It also speaks about going into space is Surah Rahman. And as a reminder, you have city police riding on horses, today. We have a division of the miltary called the calvary riding horses. People still ride horses for pleasure and a sign of wealth. In Ijebu Ode, the home of you and I, there is Ojude Oba, the following day after Id Adha. The balogun of Ijebu Ode ride horse. The last one I know was Alatishe.
Only a fraudulent religion with NO heartfelt conviction spends so much time on mundane issues like beards.

bia bia is a doctrine of it's own.
Mo Mo had the sexual strength of 30 men as the hadiths said.
It must be his bia bia

tell oga to grow a 5 o' clock shadow for few days. Then find out the difference in performance. You like beard. You are hiding in the closet. You need to come out of the closet, lady.

The question to Davidylan is how has he been able to stay away sexual immorality, except that he controls himself? He must have the desire for it. But the control because he considers it bad outside marriage, has been able to help him overcome. This is the same way the muslim controls what needs to be control. If you are mindful of any possible evil and or limitation of the involvement, before it becomes something bad.

For instance, consumption of food is good. But it also have its limit. If one were to excessively consume the best of meal, the consequences will not be good. One can become slaggish, tired or even get sick. Over consumption of water can cause drowning or less, water poisoning.

David apply that to music that becomes a hinderance to what is more essential than it in your life. If a muslim does not listen to music, it will not make him/her be considered a bad muslim or worse go to hellfire. However any muslim who does not pray will be considered a person out of islam until he begins to pray. All who die without islamic prayer will not have a chance to enter paradise, except if he/she had just became muslim and unable to pray before death occurs. For example a person who just became muslim and went into a coma and never recovered. A person who died just before the prayer after he had become a muslim.

Where do you figure, my man?

Where is this woman, called Osisi? I miss her sooooooooooooooo muuuuuuuuuch! lol.

Jazakallahu Khair, Brother babs787. To my esteem brother, whose sibling is getting married, please know that their is nothing half, about a brother or sister, in Islam. The half thing, is a degenerated concept of disbeliefs and its not part of the Islamic culture. Allah emphasises the relationships, both on the father and as well as the mother sides as wholesome and complete.

Then the issue of attending your brother's day or occasion whereby he performs 50% of his Islamic obligation, should not be a thing that your should fail to attend. It is part of your obligation as his brother by blood (family ties) and by religion (Islam). He has these 2 rights over you. If you were to be living in the same household, he would have the 3rd right of neighborliness on you.

But those people who are not his blood will attend. Then there is not excuse for you, as a healthy man to fail to attend. You should also tell your mom, to attend. She also need to begin the process of healing, and forgiveness for the pleasure of Allah. You could be a source of your mother's receiving mercy. If you are old enough to have dialogue with your father, you need to encourage him as a muslim to bring his house in order and foster the tree of love, unity, respect and harmony, etc. This is Islam. Forgiveness is very essential among mankind, if we hope to be forgiven by Allah.

@Islamway:

Remember Muhammad was 53
aisha was 9

It seems to me that Islamway is strong enough to discuss this topic. I will like to ask you, Sir, Islamway, if you could tell us when Aisha was born. This very answer will help believe that you know when she was 9 years old. Please use the Islamic calender. This will bring the whole issue of pre Madina era of islam to be the years before Hijra. When was she married to the prophet?

Now then, how old was Aisha before her father, vis a vis herself and the whole household of her father became Muslims? Was she born before the very first revelation of AlQur'an, which was the marking of when Muhammad (AS) became a prophet? If she was born, how old was she before the beginning of prophethood? If she was not born, when was she born in the years that Islam had began? If you do not know, then how do you come about your conclusion about the age 9 at marriage? Do you know what year in Islam she was 9 years old? What city, Makka or Madina could have been the city where she turned 9? What calender are you using to calculate her age: The gregorian or the mon calender of 12 moon months?

Considering that she was engaged to be married to somebody else before her father and her household became muslims, was she born and alive at this time of engagement? How old was she when this engagement was broken off? Could she have been engaged to be married, unless she was already born, the only way to determine that she was a female, considering that there was no was to determine the sex of an unborn, up to that time? Please help me in our mutual quest to get to the bottom. the truth of it all. Her engagement and marriage to the prophet were post this engagement of hers to somebody else, and the death of Khadijah, the only wife of the prophet while she was alive.

Very interestingly, is it the age differences between a man and his wife that makes him a "pedophile or what exactly?" Could it be the age of the wife? Take for example of the first case. If a woman is 18, and she is married to a 68 years old man. Could this be considered a case of pedophilia? What if she is 9 and the husband is 8, or 9, or 10? Will the case of pedophilia still occur? Who is the pedophile between the husband and wife, when the husband is 8 or 9? By the way what is the age of maturity among mankind? Considering the Jews consider 13 to be that age, the age of Bermitva. What is the age of maturity with the pigmise of Congo, or the bushman of south african region or the Aborigine of Australia? What is the age of maturity of the native south americans or the indigenous of Brazil/other native people?

What about the African modern people; Say Enugu people versus village people of igboland? The Lagos people versus village people in yorubaland? Kano city elites versus the village people of Arewaland? Duala city people in cameroon versus village people of that country?

Now you will really have to be strong enough to carry the water for your group in this case. I will hope that you will not become a jellyfish, without a backbone. I wish you well. I summit to you that Aisha (RA) was not less than 17 years before the Hijra to Madina. And there was no consumation of marriage 2 years after that. She could not be less than 19! Even in America, a woman can get married with the consent of the parents prior to being 18! And yet there is not uniform age for maturity in America. It goes even as low as 15 or less in some states!

I'll be Jessie James/Josie Whales. Davidylan is a sinner, too? I thought you are a son of god? How can son of god sin? I thought Jesus blood, etc, immunes you from sinning?

After these two protection devices, you still sin, you are definitely not son of God and Jesus blood immunization is not real. From your seclaration that you are a sinner, I can clearly see that you have been fooling me all along. Its therefore a good thing I did not fall for your hokeydoke.

@Donnie:

The new creation is not born after the 1st Adam but after the 2nd Adam. According the bible, the 1st Adam was made a living soul but the 2nd (Jesus Christ), a life giving Spirit (1cor 15:14). We were born with his life and nature in us when we were born again (1John 5:11-12).

Donnie go sidon. How many Adams God Almighty Created? 1. So your second Adam is a big hoax. The Biggest fable of all times. You can even defend Jesus with Jesus' statement. You have to go to post Jesus, as in 1 Cor 15:14, above, where anything goes.

Interestingly, if you look at the tone of 1 John 5; 11 and 12, you will see a third person speech, which clearly indicates that it was not Jesus saying this, but somebody else. Go figure.

Your carrying this big storytellers' make up in your heart and basing your whole existence on it is shameful.

@4Him;

Sir Copts or Coptic christians are native Egyptian christians.
Christ was not born until 2000yrs after Moses . . . how could the Copts have existed then?

This allah sef!

The operative word there is Copt. Are they not an ethnic group? Or is it a sect of Christianity? Like when you say Jew: you may be talking about the ethnic title and not religion indication of a person. Afterall, a Jew can practice any religion without losing her Jewishness, ethnically.

This is the same with the Coptic people. I am not attaching the religion of Christianity to them; the people who lived in Egypt, even Pharaoh of the time of Moses was a member of this ethnic group. You can not say that they weren't there, in Egypt that early.

Considering Egypt being part of Africa, how many tribes/ethics were there in the time of Moses? Please name them, othrwise no complaint. I know that the Copt as a people was in Egypt at the time of Moses.

My heart goes out to you, Victorian. Thats also my mother's name, Victoria. May God Almighty console you. Whosoever God console is the one who truly has a Consoler. Pastors are humans. You should depend on God Almighty the Creator, alone.

My sympathy on your loss and the terrible experience you went through in the hands of those you had hoped are your pillars. There is no true Pillar to support any except God Almighty. Seek Him, alone and no one else. I wish you well. I wish you God guidance.

@~Lady~:

The Spirit and the spirit are different things.

The Spirit is God's Spirit
The spirit is the inner self.

The one spoken of in that verse is The Spirit, God's Spirit.

Isn't this inner self that came from God, when He breath "His Spirit," into Adam? Arent we sharing the Adamic Spirit that God breathed into him? Aren't we Adam's Children? Are we not his progeny? Therefore isn't this spirit in man, you and i, etc the same that came from God? I am driving (Smoking) you out of your shell. In time you have to admit that we are truly from Adam and sharing his spirit and the other qualities that are inate in him. That will destroy your saying that you are a daughter of God! The last time I checked, God is not a nigerian. Further was it not in your Bible that we hve a verse talking about sons of God, finding daughters of man, and took them for wives and make babies with them?

If this is true, then, it eliminates every woman from claiming but just daughter of man. I am waiting for a man to talk about his own relation apart from being child of Adam, then i will drop the boom on him. You miss me? So why haven't you called? Everything okay? Enjoy.

@Pastor AIO: If every religion is a cult. Then every non religion club or organization, eg, Atheist, Agnostics is not better than a cult! They remind me of the Heaven Gate folks who committed mass suicide across many continents at the same time. Since the atheist and or agnostist does not have any emotional attachment to a higher Power, he/she will be devoid of any conscience of anything about afterall. He /she will simply say that when one dies one become a manure. Therefore, death means nothing to a end game state. Omo Oba, you see how terrible disbelieve in everything is? Worse than a cult!

@Siskill:

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned".

But every human has a spirit. The inner self.

I have to laugh at Matt Taibbi's a weekend event that he will never soon forget. I liked his role playing. Getting into the character was a difficult thing to do.

But Hagee and his crew are one of the whores of our times. I just don't know how he had the audacity to call the catholics LovePeddler!

Virtues of Al-Fatihah


Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal recorded in the Musnad that Abu Sa`id bin Al-Mu`alla said, "I was praying when the Prophet called me, so I did not answer him until I finished the prayer. I then went to him and he said, (What prevented you from coming) I said, 'O Messenger of Allah ! I was praying.' He said, (`Didn't Allah say),

(O you who believe! Answer Allah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he () calls you to that which gives you life) He then said,


(I will teach you the greatest Surah in the Qur'an before you leave the Masjid.) He held my hand and when he was about to leave the Masjid, I said, `O Messenger of Allah! You said: I will teach you the greatest Surah in the Qur'an.' He said, (Yes.) (Al-Hamdu lillahi Rabbil-`Alamin)''

(It is the seven repeated (verses) and the Glorious Qur'an that I was given.)''

Al-Bukhari, Abu Dawud, An-Nasa'i and Ibn Majah also recorded this Hadith.

Also, Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Hurayrah said, "The Messenger of Allah went out while Ubayy bin Ka`b was praying and said, (O Ubayy!) Ubayy did not answer him. The Prophet said, (O Ubayy!) Ubayy prayed faster then went to the Messenger of Allah saying, `Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' He said, (Peace be unto you. O Ubayy, what prevented you from answering me when I called you) He said, `O Messenger of Allah! I was praying.' He said, (Did you not read among what Allah has sent down to me.

(Answer Allah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he () calls you to that which gives you life) He said, `Yes, O Messenger of Allah! I will not do it again.' the Prophet said,


(Would you like me to teach you a Surah the likes of which nothing has been revealed in the Tawrah, the Injil, the Zabur (Psalms) or the Furqan (the Qur'an)) He said, `Yes, O Messenger of Allah!' The Messenger of Allah said, (I hope that I will not leave through this door until you have learned it.) He (Ka`b) said, `The Messenger of Allah held my hand while speaking to me. Meanwhile I was slowing down fearing that he might reach the door before he finished his conversation. When we came close to the door, I said: O Messenger of Allah ! What is the Surah that you have promised to teach me' He said, (What do you read in the prayer.) Ubayy said, `So I recited Umm Al-Qur'an to him.' He said,

(By Him in Whose Hand is my soul! Allah has never revealed in the Tawrah, the Injil, the Zabur or the Furqan a Surah like it. It is the seven repeated verses that I was given.)''

Also, At-Tirmidhi recorded this Hadith and in his narration, the Prophet said,

(It is the seven repeated verses and the Glorious Qur'an that I was given.) At-Tirmidhi then commented that this Hadith is Hasan Sahih.

There is a similar Hadith on this subject narrated from Anas bin Malik Further, `Abdullah, the son of Imam Ahmad, recorded this Hadith from Abu Hurayrah from Ubayy bin Ka`b, and he mentioned a longer but similar wording for the above Hadith. In addition, At-Tirmidhi and An-Nasa'i recorded this Hadith from Abu Hurayrah from Ubayy bin Ka`b who said that the Messenger of Allah said,

(Allah has never revealed in the Tawrah or the Injil anything similar to Umm Al-Qur'an.

It is the seven repeated verses and it is divided into two halves between Allah and His servant.)

This is the wording reported by An-Nasa'i. At-Tirmidhi said that this Hadith is Hasan Gharib.

Also, Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn Jabir said, "I went to the Messenger of Allah after he had poured water (for purification) and said, `Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' He did not answer me. So I said again, `Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' Again, he did not answer me, so I said again, `Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' Still he did not answer me. The Messenger of Allah went while I was following him, until he arrived at his residence. I went to the Masjid and sat there sad and depressed. The Messenger of Allah came out after he performed his purification and said, (Peace and Allah's mercy be unto you, peace and Allah's mercy be unto you, peace and Allah's mercy be unto you.) He then said, (O `Abdullah bin Jabir! Should I inform you of the best Surah in the Qur'an) I said, `Yes, O Messenger of Allah!' He said, (Read, `All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the existence,' until you finish it.)'' This Hadith has a good chain of narrators.

Some scholars relied on this Hadith as evidence that some Ayat and Surahs have more virtues than others.

Furthermore, in the chapter about the virtues of the Qur'an, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, "Once, we were on a journey when a female servant came and said, `The leader of this area has been poisoned and our people are away. Is there a healer among you' Then a man whose healing expertise did not interest us stood for her, he read a Ruqyah for him, and he was healed. The chief gave him thirty sheep as a gift and some milk. When he came back to us we said to him, `You know of a (new) Ruqyah, or did you do this before' He said, `I only used Umm Al-Kitab as Ruqyah.' We said, `Do not do anything further until we ask the Messenger of Allah.' When we went back to Al-Madinah we mentioned what had happened to the Prophet . The Prophet said,


(Who told him that it is a Ruqyah Divide (the sheep) and reserve a share for me.)''

Also, Muslim recorded in his Sahih, and An-Nasa'i in his Sunan that Ibn `Abbas said, "While Jibril (Gabriel) was with the Messenger of Allah , he heard a noise from above. Jibril lifted his sight to the sky and said, `This is a door in heaven being open, and it has never been opened before now.' An angel descended from that door and came to the Prophet and said, `Receive the glad tidings of two lights that you have been given, which no other Prophet before you was given: the Opening of the Book and the last (three) Ayat of Surat Al-Baqarah. You will not read a letter of them, but will gain its benefit.''' This is the wording collected by An-Nasa'i (Al-Kubra 5:12) and Muslim recorded similar wording (1:554).

Surah Baqarah continued: We discussed about the believers in the last session. Now, we need to talk about the Dis believers. There are two types of disbelievers; those who are outright in disbelief and you can see it. They are known as kafr. The others are those who hide their disbelief in their heart. These are the munafiq, they are from the ranks of the muslims. We will tackle the first group before we go to the second group of closet disbelievers.


6. As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

These people truly believe that their religions or ways are correct to God. They may be straight up Idol worshippers like buhhdist, hindu or not, like Judaism or Christains or not even in either camp, like the Agnostics and or Atheists, etc. But they are all disbelievers in Truly one god and the total chain links of all the prophets and messengers to one another in successions. They do not believe in all the books. And of course reject some Angels and declare open enemity to such and such an Angel. Finally, they reject the true religion that has been in practice in this form or the other, from Adam to now and the end of time. Amongs themselves they differ about books that are correct, even though they use the same book. Example is the Jew who does not belief in the New Testament. But surprisingly, the Christian whave the Old Testament in their complete book of bible, but reject and go against the verses that do not fit teir agenda thereof.

@Troynow:

@ Olawale The bible tells us that the things of the spirit are foolishness to the natural man.

This therefore applies to every man, the natural man on earth. You me and everyone, including Jesus, etc. You will see that your hypothesis is sporous at best. definitely poor and unreliable. For if you have a physical body, you are not spiritual being at that time. A proof of it is that when the andels appeared in human forms, they are not known as angels, but humans, until they say we are messenger of god. Even the angels say that they are messengers. How much less of Jesus, a man born of a woman!

If u try to use logic and common sense to understand God's word, You'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND IT.

Then why did God say that God is not the author of confusion. And also said that one should prove everything and hold what is true, if there is no human and common sense in play at all on the Bible?

You need God's spirit (the author of d bible) 2 explain it to u.

I bet that if the bible writers were working with the spirit of God, there would not be so many versions of the Bible. My proof is simple, which one of the two, The Catholic Douwy Version with 6 or 7  more Books than the Protestants, eg King james version of the Bible did the spirit of God write? If its the Douwy, then the spirit did not have anything to do with the protestants version. If its the protestants, we should ask what spirit wrote the Catholics in the first place which the protestants copied less the 6 or 7 Books? Shall we then say that the spirit that wrote the Protestants Version, is the new and improved spirit? Man, you have a lot of explanations to make.

You shldnt hold strictly 2 what u've been thought previously.

I am not as gullible as you. Yet I believe in God, the One single Creator. I can think.

It was needful 4 jesus to go through a temptation inorder 2 be our High Priest. That was why God(the Spirit) allowed the body(jesus) to go through temptation. The story of the fig tree happened that way as a parable 2 teach something- that a xtian shld bear fruit in season and out of season. Jesus speaking that He didnt know d time ,was speaking as d flesh. He had dual statements. He speaks as a flesh(man) and as The Spirit (GOD). He as the flesh was subject to the spirit that was dwelling in Him while He was on earth. But now, that flesh has been given ful authority as God Almighty because the God almighty dwells in that flesh. God veiled Himself with jesus' body. Shalom

The lot above is hogwash. But I must ask you what is in and out of season for Christian, as you have stated above? In season is what and out of season is what? I wanna take you through the hoop if you write jargon as a response to me.

If all the fault that yiu alluded to Jesus body is not enough to make you realize that he is not God, no way no how, then, your heart is dead. Is there not an opprtunity for him in all those times to say to his audiences, look am God to you, but am just acting as in flesh right now, even though I am your Creator? But instead we read in many Biblical verses whereby he made it clear that he Jesus is nothing but a tool of God to his audience in order that they may work in the path of guidance. Is that not the same that Moses served to the Children of Israel? Was Muhammad less than that to all mankind? Did Muhammad not invite all the leaders of the powerful civilizations of his time and had from among his followers, during his very lifetime people from Europe, Asia, Africa, Arabs, male and female, young and old and free and slaves and wealthy as well as poor?

Tell me a prophet before him that had people from outside his own people? Tell me the prophet who had the boldness to invite leaders of the world to joun his movement while that same movement was weak militarily and at infancy? Did Jesus not have the opportunity to invite the roman ruler of his day, during his trial? Did he invite him? Now read about the companions of Muhammad, when they were in Ethiopia seeking the protection of the just Christian king. The makkan pagans pursued them to Ethiopia and told the king that they considered Jesus only as a human prophet while you considered him as your god and savior.

The Muslims answered the King directly after they have praised God and told the king of the character of the prophet of God, Muhammad. Then they read Chapter titled Mariam in the Qur'an. The king wept and declared his Islam from Christianity. It was in his journey to Makka to meet the prophet that this king died on the way. Give me a Biblical support of Jesus being anything other than Prophet of God. I will give you, two verses of the Bible supporting the opposite view. I want verses from Jesus directly, and not the concorted parts after he had left. Nothing from Acts and after it. (NOte: I do not trust the gimmick of Paul).

@Ukoma:

you should have made it known since that you wish to invite people to become a member of that mosque rather than arguing on things you are not fully aware of.

I truly do not love commenting on things like this because the truth is clear and those who know it are blessed. The Holy Trinity exists and the Holy Bible says so.

~Lady~ knows that one of the premise of our friendship is to invite the other to what is good. She knows that I never hid my intention towards her or anybody, whatsoever. Whats the benefit of friendship when you can not invite to what is good? The christian takes it as their God given right to spread christianity. And we see their efforts all over the world. In Iraq and Afghanistan, they are even playing the part to almost perfections. How do you expect less from the Muslims? ~Lady~ is my baby and we have good friendship going. Should i not invite her to what is better? Ukoma, I am now inviting you to whats good. And when you become a muslim, I will invite you to my woman in Kuala Lumpur. She is a Nigerian there. She is even an igbo princess. Only if you are a muslim. She covers up properly. And she is a big time executive there too. The benefit of islam in her life. I am grateful to Allah for her success.

Now show me trinity directly from the Bible. What verse exactly did Bible use to say here is Trinity? Your mere saying so will not pass with me. Abeg, man. Please don't do what we call harlem shuffle or tap dance around like Sam the sand man of its showtime at the Apollo! I want direct quote and nothing more. Oh boy, come on.

@~Lady~:

The doctrine of Trinity exists in the scriptures and is every where in the scriptures.

Show it to be, everywhere in the "Scripture." I am willing to read. I will not take your interpretation. I just want you to show it to be directly, word for word, and nothing more. I can read. Then I will show you from the "Scripture," word for word that proves everything except Trinity. Infact i will ask you to search the Bible for Trinity as a word. You aint gonna find it.

Now let me re-write your first sentence but from the point of view of an atheist.

When would people accept the truth that there is never anything called GOD.

You see that just because you don't believe does not mean that it doesn't exist.

And even tough you use a very terrible process to make a point, you must know that I am a believer and follower of jesus, along with all the other prophets, ending that with the believe in the prohethood/messengership of Muhammad. I am not an atheist, but a monotheist, believing in One Complete Supreme Lord God who created and have no partner.

Finally, just because you do not believe in the Qur'an, does not mean its not the only complete truth, 100%. I am feeding you your own very medicine.

Jesus is the Word of God. that is how he is God, because God cannot be separate from his word and his word cannot be separate from him. His word was made flesh and dwelt among us to fulfill the promise that we would one day be as we were when God created us.

I am very ready to take up this issue with you, I know Olabowale has requested it.
It will take a while, but I would like it if my write up will be uninterrupted until I say that I am done.

Is that ok with all of you (muslims)?

The other time, I said to you that as much as we communicate, by voice more than by writing, and here on the nairaland board, we have never met. So I really do not know you face to face. Yet I consider that we have a good relationship, as human beings. Now shall I say to somebody that i have seen you before and that your word was actually representing you physically? Would i not be lying? Is not your word your ideas, communicated? Is it more than that?

If therefore, I am authorized by you to do something for you in New York, or anywhere else, does it mean that I now become you? Even with all the written authority that you may have given me, will I truly become you? Shall it be proper for me to be Efeosa as I deliver your oral and written instructions to whoever and for whatever you send me to do? Will it be proper for me to wear summer dress, or skirt and blouse or any woman clothing since i am representing you? Will I all of a sudden develop woman features, while I am 100% a full bearded man as well? You will see that all of the above and many more that you are able to think about will be no and impossible? At the same time, there is no way I could therefore pass for you; attending your classes for you, living as you in your apartment and withing the context of your family and friends, none of them will accept me as you.

When you therefore say that Jesus now is the word of God, by which jesus now is god or god Almighty in the flesh, you mean all of these above; and that is impossible, because there was no inkling of it before and during his own time, he negated that concept by verse 29 of mark 12 and other Biblical verses. Muhammad, by the Qur'an negated it all, in all forms, with clear arguments.

I have been wanting you to engage me in that argument. And when i see you, God willing, our conversation will touch up on that, as well. I am a patient man. I am praying to God to give me more patience.

@~Lady~:

JUst because you don't believe the Trinity exists does not mean that it doesn't.
Atheists don't believe that God exists, but does that mean that he doesn't?

If Moses condition was not a fraud, and Jesus himself did not in any single verse preached Trinity, and he Jesus never said that he is equal to God, then the whole premise of post Jesus preaching of trinity is just a fraud. Let me remind you that the writers say that Jesus said that he is one with God. But the same writers talk about husband and wife are one. Yet we see that they continue to say that the husband is higher than the wife. Being head of the household, the wife is required to respect and obey him! Just because they are claimed to be one, does not mean that they are equal. Apply the same to God and Jesus. Afterall, in the Lord's prayer, Jesus himself said that the doing on earth is the same in heavens (Just to amuse you, I am of the same opinion with Jesus here, because after I enter Paradise, InshaAllah, I need to drink Alcohol, that is made for the people of paradise. Since I am not a drinker on earth, I will wait till then to enjoy it).

And since Moses and Jesus, preached Trinity, a word that is foreign to you in the Bible (And if you find it written in it, God willing when you graduate, I will give you the biggest gift of your life), then its all a wool over your eyes. This is why you should now look into the Qur'an which has this word, Trinity, but says that don't say it that God is 1 of the 3. You see why you should now be preparing for Hijab, instead of nunry. I wont let you be a nun, anyway. You can bet your last dollar on it.

now see that 1+1+1=1 is something invented by muslims. Don't say that Christians say something that they don't. I've never actually heard a Christian say that.

But baby, add it together the witnesses in heaven. Please count with me, the father, and the son and the holy spirit. Now tell me how many and whats your accounting firm conclusion of it, ! or 2 or 3 or what? Its this very verse that you used to proof trinity, aint it? What is tricycle? What is triangle? What is trinity?