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@Queenisha:

Quote from: Gamine on Yesterday at 11:33:51 AM
i never talked about boredom.

Its just about giving value thats why i would want to join a church group.

i don't feel guilty about not going to church, thats part of the problem i had



I guess your "Christian education" at Covenant secondary University did you no good.
Looks like your mind is already reprobate.
A Christian should long to fellowship with fellow Christians
It is called The assembly of Brethren and the Bible tells you not to neglect that fellowship
Once that desire is no longer there,you are already in a backslidden state.
A word is enough for the wise.

I beg woman. Go sidon. ko re sowun, fun mi. lol.

Who is the instructor/warner in the Bible who made that highlighted paraphrase? Jesus or some other dude? Ol girl, I am going to note davidylan remark about the okey doke of Paul word, line, hook and sinker. I guess the fish aint bitten.

@Davidylan:
I cant help but to notice what you said about apostle Paul, above. I mean the about taking Paul's words, hook, line and sinker! That harsh on the great apostle. I am shocked.

@Pastor AIO:

The truth is that true christianity that was established by the apostles and inspired by Jesus is no longer being practised ( at least in any church i know of)

Alas!!

We are beginning to realise that Jesus did not do any establishment. At best inspired. That is not even cler. But the truth is that Jesus did not inspired anyone to form a religion other rhan what Moses practiced. The same religion of Ibrahim, Hanifan. Now you see where the hunafa comes in, in the natural Fitra of monotheist nature that Allah the almighty had created His creatures.

Pastor, Chief Odia, study those verses in the Qur'an again. Better, google the tafsir Ibn Kathir. Then get to those Surah and the verses.

Happy Studying.

@More4dlord:

the bible says- watch and pray less you fall into the temptation of the devil.

From the above statement, it seems as if a paerson will fall into the temptation of the devil, when not watchful and prayerful. Is that correct to say, based on what the bible quote means? Its very clear and there is no need for any interpretation.

Now tell me those who are tempted by the devils are sinners. Will you not think that is the case, in all cases, if only when they are under that influence of the devil? But of course, it is a noble effort, by the help of God, therefore to resist the temptations and break free from the influence.

Such a person would have been one time a sinner, but now a forgiven person, without any sin still on the record. Or at least, such a person was with a sinful nature. Such a person because of the temptation can not be said is free of sinful nature, or can it be said?

Please respond to my every question. That if you know. I am learning.

@Gamine:

Why will i call on Oyedepo's God
when i have a personal relationship with Him through Jesus.

In your case you are calling on Jesus's God, instead of Oyedepo's. Darling girl, whats the difference? You have placed at least 1 barrier between you and the God you intended to call on in the first place.

Find a way to have a personal relationship with Him, the God that you intended to call on, not through Jesus being in the middle, but exactly like the personal contact and relationship had with Him. Thats what I do.

I am a muslim. So I am in the same league of worshipper, as Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, etc (AS). I do not erect any of them between me and God. I am inviting you to Islam. Join me, sis.

@RedHotChic: I read the below from Babs787, on a different thread. I thought it will help to clarify things better for you.

Quote:
Quran 5 v 6: O you who believe! When you intend to offer As-Salat (the prayer), wash your faces and your hands (forearms) up to the elbows, rub (by passing wet hands over) your heads, and (wash) your feet up to the ankles. If you are in a state of Janabah ( i.e after a sexual discharge), purify yourselves (bathe your whole body). But if you are ill or on a journey, or any of you comes after answering the call of nature, or you have been in contact with women (i.e sexual intercourse), and you find no water, then perform Tayammum with clean earth and rub therewith your faces and hands. Allah does not want to place you in difficulty, but He wants to purify you, and to complete His favour to you that you may be thankful.

# The superiority of ablution, and Al-Ghurr-Ul-Muhajjalun (the parts of the body of the Muslims washed in ablution will shine on the Day of Resurrection and the Angels will call them by that name) from the traces of ablution

# Narrated Nu’aim Al-Mujmir: Once I went up the roof of the Mosque along with Abu Hurrairah (RA). He performed ablution and said, ‘I heard the prophet (saw) saying, “on the Day of Resurrection, my followers will be called Al-Ghurr-Ul-Muhajjalun from the traces of ablution and whoever can increase the area of his radiance should do so (by performing ablution in the most perfect manner)

# The prophet did not increase the area more than what is washed of the body parts while doing ablution as Allah ordered to be washed in the Quran.

Tayammum: Strike your hands on the earth and then pass the palm of each on the back of the other and then blow off the dust from them and then pass (rub) them on your face.
Unquote.

You will see that God has made everything easy for muslims, within reasons and the means available. The central issue is obedience to God's orders.

@Babs787: May Allah rewards you. You, too, Mustay. When I read your entries here, I knew am in the company of believers. You brothers bring good and sound belief and reasoning into this discussion. I am grateful that we have people like you from the nation of Nigeria. It shows that the future is bright for Islam.

@~Lady~:

one more time Christ put it best when he said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish the law but to fulfill it." Mathew 5:17

The law contains the ten commandments. If they are not relevant, which ten commandments are?

If you know that the 10 Commandments are still relevants, why then the do away with the circumcision laws, the no graven Image law, the God is jealous law, the no partnership to God law and the dietary law?

My darling, I have been trying to tell you this since we became friends. The operative words in the 2 sentenses that make the verse you quoted, Matt. 5;17 are think, come, abolish and fulfill. Read that verse again. The following verse confirmed the dire consequence that shall be the condition in the day of Judgement that will befall anyone that do the opposite of it and or encourage anyone to do the opposite.

I have been wooing you and I will continue to woo you to come to Islam. You can not make judgement on Islam because of Muslims. The arguments that you are having with one another about Bible verses can be found predicted in the Qur'an. You all read the same Bible, but disagree with each other on verses and even your Bibles are different in Contents. The Catholics have more Books, while the Protestants have less! This is an endictment for all to see.

@RedHotChic:

Where do moslems go after death(I mean the ones that did the will of your Allah)?

Paradise: In Arabic its Jannah.

What happens to the ones that kept sinning against your Allah till they die, what will your Allah do to them?

If Allah wills to forgive them or that individual, He will forgive him. If not he will be punished in the fire of hell. Then InshaAllah (God Willing), Allah the All Merciful, All Forgiven will forgive them all, except the hypocrites.

Do moslems believe in reincarnation, resurrection, hell fire and heaven?

We believe in all, except reincarnation. As you know, a person have to be resurrected from death, before he can be Judged, being Mercied to Paradise, or, being condemned to Hellfire.

Question 2:
Why do moslems wash their privates before they pray? Does it mean that your Allah will not listen if you didn't wash your privates?

You don't have to wash your private if nothing is discharged from it. If you break winds, and its not a wet wind, you dont have to wash that place either. We have what we call wudu (ablution), which is washing/cleaning what is external of your body parts. This is to purify you from all kinda filth, if you have discharged anything from the private part that you just washed, or break winds.

As to listening to us by Allah, is the fact that you have to obey your Lord God first, before you can hope to receive His attention. He hears all, we do not want Him to ignore us. Whoever He ignores is already in the clutches of the Evil one. It is not permissable to make things up in Islam. We call that deviation and it definitely lead people to go astray. Unlike other religions, Islam has its own culture and rules. It is not 100% Arabic culture and none of its rules is arabic, but purely 100% Islamic.

Question:
Is it true that during sexual intercourse, moslem couples are forbidden to see the privates of one another, hence they make love in darkness? if true, why?

Muslims are not restricted to making Love at Night, alone. Its anytime that the couple can afford to do it, if they are not fasting, and not in the time that more important obligations is to be discharged. For example, its not permissable for a couple to engage in Love making during the daytime of fasting month, the time of Salah (Islamic prayers). Muslims are forbidden not to have penetration of the anal canal and during the period of menstration. So you see all other is permissable, as long as it excites and enhances their romance. Am sure its not pitch black where you are at 10 am, or at 3.00 pm!

Educate me please.

What are you going to do with the edication that you now have. By the way, we want RedHotChic(s) in Islam. It is not a boring religion, nor the romance with the spouse. We just don't advertise our activities. We are not public offenders. The best lovers for RedHotChic(s) are in Islam.

@Islamway:
I asked you many questions in my entry above, for your response. All you have done is to simply ignore all of them and came up with a lazy, rather uninformed man's response!

If I say you are a 20 year old man, then, I must have been able to use some land mark events to come to that conclusion. In the case of Aisha, (RA), I asked you if you know he was engaged to be married to a man before his father and therefore, her, became a muslim? Whats your answer, Islamway?

I aslso ask you how old was she when her father became a muslim?

I finally asked you as a lead up question to my probable true age of this mother of believers, that if you know how old is islam which started in Makka, when her father became Muslm?

Islamway, all you have done is do what a person who is uninformed does. I will not let you down easy. If you are bold enough to make a blanket statement, then you should be able to be bold enough to defend it by providing answers to questions that are important to the issue under observation.

Are you just playing the Christian game of talking off cuffs without truly weighing the statement through, whether it is correct or not?

I will wait for your reply. There are no need for interpretation of her age. Its not a Bible information. Its very clear; Tell me when was she born? If she was engaged to be married before her father became a muslim, then she must have been alive, for the arabs would not have known that she was a girl, while still unborn. Hence she must have been delivered before she became engaged to a man, prior to her father reverting to Islam. This revertion to Islam, is the only and very reason the marriage proposal was broken off.

he ball is in your court, Islamway! You can ask your conpatriots, in Christianity to help you, in establishing the facts here.

@Davidylan: The Good and all the bad. All of them is within the knowledge of the All knowing. Tsunami, Noah's flood, the the death of Pharaoh in the sea. My future death and that of yours, none happens without the command of Allah.

Is the water in the Tsunami not created by Allah? Is the movement of the water not within the command of Allah? Oh, david, yawn as long as you are alive. There is a place for yawning; earth. There is no yawning on the day of judgement.

@Davidylan: Aburo, when did truth telling becomes misinformation?

By the way, did you receive my email about the leopard who killed and ate a monkey, but protect its infant baby? Google: leopard eats monkey and saves her baby infant. This tells you that Allah is Akbar. Nothing happens He wills it.

@Davidylan: You are bent on defeating me by attrition. I am up tio the challenge. I hope that you are at least not blind to the materials in from of you. InshaAllah, the Owner of your soul, Who is able to affect your heart will guide it aright. Amin.

@Pastor AIO: Allah's messenger (as) concerning al Fitra, in being a hunafa states that all persons is born as a muslim, except that they turned to other religions, by their parents. The inner clock of mankind is set to the idea monotheist, then shaitan mislead and excite those who are not muslims into their religions. They have the Al Fitra in them, but it is in a sleeping state. If you do not activate what needs to be activated, it serves none of its intended purpose.

If you are not a muslim, who is sincere and inresolve inyour worship, the al Fitra is not truly tunes correctly in you.

And brother Javalove, Jazakallah khair. All praise belongs to Allah. May the blessing of Allah continue to be on His nobliest of messengers, Muhammad (as). May allah accept our good deeds and cancel all our bad deeds. I emulate the brothers and sisters here on Nairaland, who continue to strive only for the pleasure of Allah. May they be rewarded for their galant efforts. I am a witness to their struggle in the face of huge and still mounting oppositions.

@Pastor:

But what comes first, the fitra or the 5 pillars.  Is it possible to be sincere and perform the ostensible aspects with the whole being if one is not in concordance with Fitra?

Fitra is comes first. It is the instinctive lifewire which Allah created man in. Doing good for His pleasure alone. Worshipping Him, alone. Longing for Him alone. The 5 Pillars are the manifestaions of this Al Fitra, if they are performed with that essential sincerity to Him, with 100% mindful of their essence. If you do these 5 pillars, as just actions, without its essence and meaning from the soul and your heart, that is hypocracy. That is not sincere Islam.

Pastor AIO: I pray that after all your research, you will privately dialogue with your Creator to lead you on the correct fitra, Al Fitra. I pray that when you see it, you will not ignore it and be arrogant with the concern for what mere mortals will say. Amin.

Is it not true that we are born in this state?  That the animals are in this state ( the flying birds as the koran says are already there).  As long as birds fly and don't try to bark like dogs they are in the state of Islam.  It is my belief that every human being has a blueprint, or a script of his life as it were that is the law that God has laid down for him to live by.  It is the purpose of religion to discover, or rather rediscover that Essence and adhere to it like your life depended on it and indeed your life does depend on it.  I do not know of any religion anywhere in the world that doesn't teach this.  There are many that de-emphasise it but if you research deeply enough you will find that that is at the core and essence of the religion.  The Return to Essential nature is the core of Religion.

You may be right that, that every religion intends to adhere to this Fitra. However, do they adhere to it in truth, when a religion sets up a partner or co equal with God. Is it alright then to that many gods and claim that you are truly worshipping One Lord God? That would be disingenous, would you not say so? How do you take gods and scholars words as equal or in place of God's clear commandments? The truth is the reality of action. Just saying it and the action is different is expression of hypocracy.

“So direct your face towards the religion, inclining to Truth. Adhere to the Fitra of Allah upon which he has created all people.  NO CHANGE should there by in the creation of Allah. That is the CORRECT RELIGION but most of the people do not know.” Ar-Rum vs.30
Nobody can fake the Adherence to Fitra.  That is between man and God and if a person is not aligned to his true nature the consequences are immediate and obvious.

When a person fails in his/her observation or sticking to the Al Fitra, the person has disregarded Allah the Almighty knowingly and consciously. The verse 30 of Surah Rum, is actually indicating that when a person sets up a partner with Allah, that person will definitely not be happy if his/her own servant claims equal share in his/her own property. If this is so, and certainly no one will be happy if a person or subordinate declares that he/she has the same right to the property of the owner. How then do we expect the condition of Allah to be less than that? Afterall, He created everything and including those whom humans associate with Him.

I am of the understanding that the 5 pillars are not even in the quran.

Your opinion or understanding is wrong. Read Surah Baqarah. You will find, Salah, Sawm, Zakah and Hajj in there. In other surahs you will have Laa illaha ilallah. In Surah Fath verse 29, Muhammadanr Rasulullah is in there.

I need someone to explain to me what exactly the Al-hadith is and on what is it's authority based?

There are two types of Ahadith. Ahadith Qursi and the ahadith that are the speech of Muhammad (as) to explain the verses of the Qur'an. For example, Allah says make salah. But the rakah for each salah is not expalined. You will find that in the ahadith.  Everything is by the Authority of Allah, the supreme. Among mankind, the authority falls on the prophet (as). He is the receiver of all verses of the Qur'an and also the chilef slave servant that being told to do these thing and lead the true believers. He is our greatest example to follow, 100%.

Will the 5 pillars really bring you closer to Al-fitra, which the koran calls the 'Correct religion'?  Can they not indeed even serve as a substitute for al-fitra/truth whereby a person thinks that he is doing all that is required merely by following the motions of the 5 pillars?  Please share your thoughts with me.

How do you demostrate Al Fitra except by sincere obedience to Allah? Allah commands believes in Him, even though as he is Unseen. He commands in the believes of all unseens and observance of salah, and spending for his sake in what was provided for the believer. He commands fasting and hajj, as well. He commands the believe in destination and that one day, we have to meet Him. You can not observe these 5 pillars with sincere heart unless you are inclined to what your Al Fitra is truly is. Both are siblings, one never seen, while the other is the action that gives us the clue that the Fitra is correct in that person, if there is sincerity of the heart in it.

@Pastor AIO:

Shouldn't Islam be based on One Pillar and One pillar only.  Namely Al-fitra.  Is this not the perfect prayer, worship and obedience to God there could ever be?  Is this not the essence of Islam?
“See you not that it is God Whose praises are celebrated by all beings in the heavens and on earth, and by the birds with extended wings?  Each one knows its prayer and glorification; And God is aware of what they do.”  An-Nur vs.41

What is Al Fitra? It is the natural instinct in creation. What the creation should be inclined to do. For example, at night the body will be inclined to sleep. It is wired to do that. Many people may therefore decide to deviate from the natural time to sleep. They then orientate themselves to sleep at other times. But they still sleep but not the time alotted for it.

Fitra is therefore inclination to do something. Al Fitra is the proper obedience to the nature of worshipping mechanism that Allah has installed in us. This worship, as God has created us as Hanifs, we are therefore hanifan or Hunafa with monotheistic belief!

Allah says in Chapter 7; 172 that Mankind has testified to His Lordship, when He gathered us as children of Adams (Still we were in the spiritual realm, as souls). Also in Chapter 51; 56, we are told that we are created for a single purpose, to worship Him, alone. Both of these verses above, give support and full agreement to Nur verse 41 that you have quoted. We must never therefore forget that we should not be a servant who serves hypocritically, or refuses to serve Him. We should not associate partnership with Him in our service, in any form.  True worship is Islam as Hunafa in the line of all hanifan (Ibrahim is a good example), sincere in our doing deed for Allah sake alone, performing all our required obligations, eg salah with sincere soul and heart and obedience to Him as protection from His punishment.

@Pastor AIO:

A sallam aleikum my muslim friends. I have a few questions for you. I especially hope that Olabowale will be able contribute to this.

I have only recently started a study of the Koran and islam in general. I have come up with a bone of contention. The 5 pillars. Why the emphasis on these ostensible actions? I thought a pillar was a construct designed to hold up an edifice. What can these 5 pillars hold up? Surely not Islam (ie. submission).

The 5 Pillars holds you, the creation, who claims to be a muslim up. For if you negate anyone of them, you are no more a muslim. But each of them is a complex and complete entity of its own.

First the Shahadah. I declare that there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet. Anybody can make this declaration without it amounting to nada. Indeed al-baqarah verse 8 states that "and of the people are some who say, 'we believe in Allah and the last day,' but they are not believers".

This is the essential, and the key to entering the doorway of Islam. As Mustay have alluded to above, it is a complex ingredient of Islamic belief. It is what the person who is coming into Islam says from his/her being, both body and soul from the heart with the tongue and lips, witnessed by people. He/she will have therefore the full right, as a person born into Islam and never had gotten out of it, at anytime. But the Shahadah is repeated when calls, the big and the small ones are made for prayers. In every prayer, it is said as well. Therefore, Shahadah is repeated throughout ones lifetime.

This first pillar has over 70 facets or parts. The smallest is the act of kindness and good deeds, as little as a mere removal of stones from the pathway, so that no one is injured or hurt by it. And you have rightly pointed out a hypocrite will make this simple statement from the lips alone, as a show, but it will be devoid of sincerity. But God Almighty Allah knows them and this is why they are within the ranks of the muslims andnot from the open disbelievers.

And the Salah? Who can not go through the motions of that?

But sincerity of the soul, heart is what is required. Making it in its time, with hope of it being accepted by Allah is essential. For the hypocrites, it is without sincerity and lacks its true purpose. Allah's messenger (as), says Salah is like taking a bath to rid the body off dirts.

Zakah? Many atheists are philanthropists.

The difference of that to the sincere believer is the believer does it because God commands. It is not for a show of I have more wealth than you, so I am gracious in generousity to give you a handout! Everything in Islam has its purpose. One of the purposes is to purify your heart from too much attachment to the worldly things.

Sawm. Many People are already doing this not even by choice.

But how many who can have whatever they want in foods and drinks, will forgo it? Starving themselves because a Lord that is never seen by man, a being that pride himself on seeing first before believing, ordered them? Not only the foods and drinks, but they forgo all the things of nafs, sexual desire, etc. These is the case in Islam. A person who by necessity is forced to not eat, is not fasting. fasting is when you make the intention not to eat, drink, and abstain from all the delights of the eyes, during the time that these things, the stimuli will be available to you.

A person who fast in the sleeping hours, eg night time is not fasting. He has to sleep anyways. But a person, who obeys the command of God to starve the body of all enjoyments during the waking hours, from before dawn to dusk (In th summertime, in the US, it is from before 3.40 am or even earlier, to 8.40 pm or even later! You can them imagine all the stimuli of sight and sound you have to avoid, yet you have to carry on with your daily livelihood. Now that is Jihad.

Hajj: If Hajj was a pillar that could hold up anything then all those alhaji and alhajas in nigeria would be exemplary citizens.

This simple statement about the nigerian Alhajis and Alhajas tells you that there is hypocracy when someone says he/she is a muslim and you find the actions being opposite of what Islam is. But the actions of a few or many or almost all or even all, should not negate the truth of a matter. Islam should be the yardstick/barometer that muslims, males and females should be judged by. Islam should not be judged by the bad actions of muslims. Interestingly, the prophets says in an ahadith that the muslims will be divided into 73 sects. All but one sect will go to hellfire, for varied length of time, until Allah wills some to be removed from it.WE should try to be in the single sect, that will not go to hell, but directly to Paradise.

That sect is strictly on Qur'an and sunnah.

@Away4real:

(Jesus you are too much even the heathen want to identify with you)

LOL. What happened to the Jews who do not even acknowledged him? Worse than heathen? I beg ol boy, comt. Go sit down. Your trick no go work. I see through the big loop net you called a veil. Its all very deceitful.

@4Him:

This is the question everyone is asking . . . why is it by force to find mohammad in the bible? Have you seen a christian working up a sweat to find Jesus THE CHRIST in your quran?

The Christians don't have to worry about Jesus in the Qur'an, because his name is there, at least 25 times! Al Qur'an does not hide anything. It is there for you to read. That includes Jihad, a word that you ignorantly and wrongly translated and given a wrong meaning. That includes the number of wives a man can have. Remember that it gives limits to everything and a process for weaning from bad condition to grogressively move to a good condition.

And the reason that the Christians, for the most part have not even sweated about the conditions of jesus in the Qur'an is that they believe that Jesus is carrying their waters for them. I have news for you, Dave. It is not going to be the case in the day of judgement.

Interestingly, it is the descriptions of Jesus in the Qur'an, being iconoclastic to what is in the New Testaments, especially the post Jesus era on earth, that those who claimed the noble prophet to be fake are using, solely as their reason! If Islam had been dishonest and agrees with all that Paul and company have said, even though a different religion was to be established, the Christians would not have had any complaint. Well, the truth is being told and there is no compromise in it.

What happened to this girl, Nwando? I know you are here, already. lol. (Always a lover!).

@Davidylan:

Again bad analogy. The bible is not cut into twenty pieces and kept separately. They are one book . . .

Not according to the Jews. The Bible is not One Book! The Jews deal with everything, but New Testament. If you see a practicing Jew who is reading the New Testament as a religious material for Judaism, let me know.

so going by your initial statement, if the head was not cut off and becomes rotten . . . would you still eat the tail?

The above is admixture of your statement (the question part about tail), and my response (condition by which I would eat the tail)! You see how you are shifting everything to me? You can't even stand behind your own questioning, when it comes down to it.

If indeed the pen of the scribes had corrupted the bible . . . why did they suspiciously avoid ONLY those parts that the muslim uses to force mohammad and islam into it?

Have you seen how a criminal is made to breakdown, during interrogation in the police precinct? Yet, initially he had denied ever being around the crime scene? God Almighty had set a barrier between the truth that He still wants preserved and the ever quick to modify pen of eager to obliged Scribes. Now tell me about the Deut. verse about "I will raise up a prophet from among their brethren , " Tell me who the Speaker is? Tell me who the audience(s) is/are? Tell me whta you thing the condition of the audience was going to be when the "prophet to be raised" will be on the stage? Tell me if this future prophet will also be a personality that can claim that or can be claimed to be co equal to God? Tell me if this prophet will not just be a full time subordinate, who simply obeys commandment of the Speaker? Tell me, David, if this prophet can ever make up stuff by his own authority alone? Tell me if his follower claims that he is God at anytime, will that verse still be relevant to co God? Tell me if raise will be referring to a coGod that was always present, even before creation? I have to stop so that I do not overwhelm you, with more quetions about this very single Deut. Verse. Finally, who could this verse be referring to, co god of the Christians, Jesus, son of god or a very submissive slave and servant of God Almighty, who can only follow instruction to the last letter of it?

why is it that the parts that were corrupted are the very ones that make muslims uncomfortable?

After you settle down from this euphoric feeling about nothingness, please explain Mark 12 Verse 29 to me. A verse where Jesus from his own mouth declared that he is a creation, servant and slave of One Lord God. Now tell me whta part of the Bible that makes muslims uncomfortable, except that the muslims are telling you that you ignore verss that came from Jesus, and cling to what he would never have said! You will see the consistency of what Jesus would say about Lord God Almighty, if you compare it to what God is known to be in the Old Testament and a final confirmation of this is in the Qur'an.

Now, point to me a clear verse in the OT that talks about Jesus or any other entity being part of God? Let me explain to you something: even me your big brother, when i talk to my bride use the majestic plural for myself. I am a simple man. If I can do this, then I ask you how can you say that when God speaks in the same term, He must be talking to His comrades, His co equals? Someday, you will speak with my bride. Many men or people with royal blood speak in the majestic plural forms, you know.

Here is my verdict . . . this lie about corrupt bibles is nothing but an excuse.

Your verdict is wrong. Why? The Bible has verses that contradict each other, in the two camps. We see that whenever a book by itself cancel its own statement by another statement, there must have been some confused writer(s) at work! How do you reconcile this in the New Testament, since no prophet has ever claimed that he was a partner of God before? We mount an analytical explorations of the two opposing statements. In the case of the Bible, we see that the verses speaking about One God, in the New Testament is consistent with the belief in the Old Testament. If God was to reveal any multiplicity of personality, Moses would have been told. Read about all that God told Moses as he described Himself to this brave prophet Messenger who confronted and crushed by God's Might the greatest tyrant of that time. You never see more than One Whole God, Who is defined inOne complete Entity!

Where you find any inuendos about gods, it referred only to human classifications, by powers, alone. None of it can ever be termed to mean co ownership of God's Power and Authority. We also see that Jesus at no time ever said from his mouth "I am God, worship me!" To have said that he and father are one, means nothing. I am pakulopa of ijebu Ode. There are many pakulopas of that same land. All of them being my siblings. But none of us has the same authority as a our father. I could never pass for him. He is dead and i am still alive, is clear sign of our not truly being one. Now tell me whats new?

@Davidylan:

This is not a good analogy. If the head of the fish is bad, would you still eat the tail?

If the tail is just as bad as the head, no. If the head was cut off and then becomes rotten because it was not kept properly, while the tail and the middle were kept properly, preserved and fresh looking. If you make good fish stew, Lagos style with it. You bet am cleaning the plate. I know about fish, man. Don't get me talking about how good eating it is. unlike the pork, you love alot. While fish is an agent of good health. Pork is not, except that it is just the other white meat. lol.


@RedHotChic:

Do you wonder why Islam recognised Jesus in the koran while christianity didn't recognise mohammad in the bible? Defuse the complex abeg or join the band wagon.

I dont know why. Except that i can guess that the Christian bible train never reached the station, before it broke down. Of course it already have the passenger stranded with their tickets. So they have to make the jorney to the end by another means. Look, Muhammad is in the Bible. You may not know it. We the Muslims know it.

Now tell me why the Jews, do not recognize Jesus, while you Christians can get enough of Moses, and other OT Prophets? Chew on that for a moment.

May Allah reward you brothers and sisters who have replied with words of reminders to our brother, in distress.

Dear brother, please know that you can arrange a 7 to 10 minutes break to make your salah when it comes in. You re going through this test and it is a goodthing that you recognized it.

If your condition is terrible in the office, and there is not enough space to bow and prostrates, etc in your office, then make your salah in your seat, with your head bow forruku and your head further lowered for sajdah/prostrations. As long as you are conscious there is no excuse not to pray.

The sick must pray, sitting laying on the side and even making your salah with your eyes is permissable. But there is no excuse for not making salah unless an unconscious mind, crazy mind and young mind not reached puberty.

Salah can be made in car, on horse while in a journey. Please talk to your boss. You should be able to arrange your breaks to allow you for salah on time. And get a Jumuah break to attend the prayer. You need to begin to sacrifice, in the struggle for your soul.

It is shameful that Nigeria is a bad place to practice Islam. Here in Americ, when the people can get over their 911 prejudice, they allow people who request accomodation of time/breaks to meet their prayer obligations. Wish you good.

@Davidylan:

- That, madame, is FACT. To use one side of the mouth to say the bible is corrupted by the pen of the scribes and then quote from Deut, John . . . to prove that mohammad is in the VERY SAME BIBLE has only one dictionary meaning - HYPOCRISY!

Let me ask you about the term "corrupt cop." Can a cop like that not a cop that can arrest drug dealer of gang banger any more? Of course. He stops and arrest. But what he does is that he may keep for himself, part or all the money that he found on the criminal elements. He may just shake them down and let them go. Thats corruption. Yet he is still a cop.

I never said that there is no verse in the Bible that is true. Those verses which are still true, regardless of the language, will be supported by the Qur'an and or ahadith.

David, to ba fe kin wa si odo tie mo, so fun mi. Sugbon o le wa si ti imale to ba fe. Awa ngba eniyon mora ni. Aa ki nle eniyon kuro lodo tawa.

@4Him:

Hypocrite, you can't have it both ways . . . its either the bible is corrupt or not. It can't be corrupt and yet be speaking about mohammad at the same time.

Yes I can have it both ways. A man is corrupted, he betrays his gender nature when he is gay, homosexual or bisexual. Yet he still has th traces of manhood, the physical and physiology, the inner pipelines. David, lo joko. The corruptions in the Bible is like the gender bending or not living up to its billings. The Mohammad descriptive verses are the traces of manhood you see in such a deviant, as becoming a homosexual man.

Aburo, Ibadan lo mo. O mo layi po. Allah the Almighty opens up your Bible verses to me and I begin to see how you folks just make up stuff, like the Big Apple Circus. You say them before? They are funny bunch. They remind me of the Globetrotters to NBA teams.

Plain ridiculous. I ask again WHY are you TRYING SO FREAKING HARD to equate Isa to Jesus THE CHRIST?

Same way Ibrahim is Abraham, Yaqub is Jacob, same way that you guys call Ismail, Ishmael! Now get yourself out of that net. Untangle your own mess, man.

Cornered me? what a laugh. . . . you sound more idiotic with every verse you attempt to mutilate to force mohammad into it.

Hypocrites, go to the islam-only section . . . you can't have it both ways.

When you can't explain in plain english, except that you manipulate the verse to fit your bogus desire, then somebody should force your hand to admit the apparent truth. David if somebody says that you are a grandfather, then your age must come to play in determine the person was just jiving or there is some element of truth to it. If you are in your 50s, then the possibility is there. If you are only 20 years old, then everyone who has good sense will doubt or say that the person who says you are a grandfather is outsight lying!

And David, I can have it both ways: correcting your religious mistakes and inviting you to what is good belief! (Correct aqeedah!). Thats what friends do. I am your friend, a brother, a psedo-father. "The real father is the one who truly begets the child!" And begetting is an ation pack deal. Its not just talking about it without any proof of action at some point! Even introvenous conception has some actions!

Aba jo to fi pe mi mo. Se lo nbinu simi. O hon lara e, aburo. You will get it someday. When I am not here to agitate you, then you will miss me. I am sure your blood is not cold as ice. Though Rochester coldness must have chilled it some.

@RedHotChic: My darling I did not demand for any section for no one. Seun is a grown man. At his age, I am not in the position to control him. And by doctoring, i am not saying anything about Isa (arabic word) and jesus (a greek word, definitely not a semitic word). What I am saying is that please turn your mind to when the revelations were being given to the individual prophets, Moses, David and Jesus. What they had then is not exactly 100% of what you have today. For one, Jesus spoke to his disciples and explin what he meant, in everyway. There is no gimmick of interpretations, which is what you are doing today.

Jesus disciples ask him what they needed to know. He told them everything that they needed to know. That was good enough, until the post Jesus era on earth. Here comes Saul/Paul and his gang. Everything had to change, because pauline doctrine had to just prevail. But Allah the Almighty preserved enough in the Bible where we can see the truth because the Qur'an verses confirm whatever is still true in the Bible.

@4Him:

somebody please answer me this question - why are muslims forcing mohammad in the bible and why are they trying so hard to equate Isa to Jesus THE CHRIST?

What is in it for these slaves of allah?

If you don't know, you better ask somebody! But I gave you assignments about Verses in Deut and other partsof the Bible. You have failed to even approach any, yet you do not know that Isa is the same as Jesus? If Daud is the same as David, Haruun the same as Aaron, Musa is the same as Moses, Sulaiman is the same as Solomon, where do you have difficulty that Isa is Jesus?

Again explain the meaning of Deut Verse where God is telling Moses that He will raise a Prophet up, who should be an ordinary prophet and not part of "Trinity," and He God will put His word (commands) in his mouth, " You see where i cornered you to actually have to confess that Jesus was not the prophet being spoken about here!



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@ayinba1 & babs787
what are both of u and other of your muslim brothers saying?
Mohammed is a prophet.
But Jesus Christ is not a prophet of God

They are not saying anything to contradict the fact that both men were prophets of the same One Lord God.

He is the only begotten Son of God

And how can begotten happen unless a mounting action occurs? Please explain. If you still insist, then all of those among you i am old enough to father are therefore begotten sons and daughters of mine? I am sure your parents will love to know how it all happened! Just talk will not cut it. You got to prove it beyond reasonable doubt of it! Right now, everything is 100% doubtful, because it is false. Prove the muslims and the jews and all others who don't believe the begotten sonship wrong! Am waiting please step on it.

He is God that took the form of flesh to save me and u even u will not appreciate that now,you will in the nearest future.

Another issue that you have to prove to me. Otherwise, its all 100% doubtful, lies.

Jesus Christ is the Only One that
He does whatever He says
And what ever He says is Truth

Every prophet of God is in the same position. Unless you can tell us what Moses said that was false. Did Moses ever change his mind on a matter? Did he pray and the prayer was rejected? But Biblical esus prayed at the garden of Geshimane to God, a different Entity from Jesus. God rejected the request of the cup not passing or removal of it from Jesus head. Now explain that to me. Is that towards doing what he wanted or was forced upon him by the Higher authority, Biblical God?

If whatever he says is always th truth, please explain Mark 12 verse 29 to me. In this verse Jesus counted himself among his audience as having the same One Lrd God! Now swallow that. I know that it is bitter medicine, so chew on it.

@REdHotCHic:

There are standard bibles used by christians and those ones were only translated to different languages and not doctored eg KJV, NKJV, NIV etc. Doctoring means adding and removing lots of crucial information from the bible. I've never seen Isa in the bible before but all I ask for is the chapter and verse in case am ignorant.

How do you standardize the Bibles if you have One Original Bible? And my darling you are just glossing over the issues since you are not saying anything! What language was the Original Bible that was revealed to Jesus, the son of Mary, a Jew? Could it be in Latin, Italian, Greek or Hebrew and its related Semitic group of languages? As a Yoruba man, it will be odd that I receive a letter in Igbo language or Hausa language, especially when the writer knows that none of them is my mother tongue. It will be bette if the writer writes to me in Ekiti language, or Ondo language, or Egba language, or Ijesha language, or even Ilaje and others from the yoruba tribal enclaves. This is why you can not trust what a greek says when the primary language is Hebrew or Aramaic.

When I say doctoring, it means that; removing or masking crucial information from its original places. If I came to your home and met your parents, and i asked for RedHotChic, their precious daughter. The probable stare that I will get from them is confusion. They do not have a redhotchic as a daughter. Therefore, that name RedHotChic could be a doctoring compared to your original name!

@Sly and 4Him: (Quote and misquoting, sorry, interpreting verses of the Bible is a normal thing. Why complaining now?)

Mark 16:15. . . . And he said to them: Go into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Tell me. . . .Will the pastors ride on horses and camels from Lagos to Ghana,UK,USA, and other parts of the world to preach?

Before we start misquoting the bible to justify fraud in the name of God can we ask ourselves . . . how did the early apostles (direct recipients of this charge) go about preaching the gospel? On the finest horses and chariots of Rome?

After the Mark verse that you quoted above, the disciple and the apostles, preached within the gates of the 12 nations of Israel. This is the world that they knew Jesus meant. A proof that Jesus was sent to his bloodline, alone. A local prophet that he was. Not until the fake epiphany of Paul did we see any effort to invite any people other tha the Jews! The Romans within these 12 nations were not even invited, until Paul brought his fakery to the table.

Now compare that to the last speech, (Farewell sermon) of prophet Muhammad (AS), where he said to his companions. Those who were present numbered 100,000 whereby he encouraged them to take the message to those who were not present. True to his word, and because he had commissioned letters to the five world rulers of his time, inviting them to Islam at that early time, many of the companions left Arabia. They took the advice in his words of encouragement, they embank on their own last journeys! They went to evey corner of the world. Some went to Malaysia, etc. Yet some came to black africa.

Hence, contrary to spreading the deen/way by sword, it was spread for the most part by individuals, who displayed good manners while trading among locals. If any would read about Ibn Battuta, a much much later generation of Muslim, one would see how he dealt with the asiatic cultures, where there is so much nudity. He first told them when they appear to him, they must put on some covering. This simply act of not been overbearing on their culture, did not allow them to resist him. Rather respected his person, and in the process discovered that wearing cloth, or covering up has a greater merit. Further it led them to adopting the tradition of covering, while they discard nudity. And I might say a good population amongst them became muslims. If Islam had spread by the sword, would it not have left India depleted of her citizens, the non muslims to nothingness?

I am always wondering how Ijebu people, specifically Ijebu Ode, my home town became Islamic, without the sword? How about Abeokuta and the whole Egba peple? How about Ibadan? How about Ibadan? And Queenisha, how about my getting to Owerri citizens? Have I weilded any sword, all the way from New York City? My crew and I will one day invade Igboland, and Islamize it without a single drop of blood, except with aboundant love and honey!

Go talk to him now. Let him know what your situation is. I am almost sure he will agree that you should go for the examination. Your telling him and his positive answer, may even soften your mother's heart. You may be surprised what Allah will do in this situation. The future is known to Him, alone.

If your mom is a muslim, encourage her as a muslim, to practice forgiveness and forget people unpleasantries towards her, and move on. Thats Islam.

@Huxley: Sometimes, your questions are so pathetic, that I feel you. I see that Christianity have damaged you so badly that it had made you to a rubble/ a pile of mud. So why don't you try Islam? That I will like to discusee with you. My email address is aqeedahfirst@yahoo.com. That I will check at least once a day.

In the case of Jibril (Gabreil) AS, he told Muhammad at the end of the first revelation; "Am Gibreil, you Muhammad is the Messenger of God.

@Pastor AIO: I think the first and second lines of your song, a song usually sang by women, to the duelling male suitors for her love. It goes some thing like this, "Please dont go on our (my) account fight to death (Ja ja ku o). But I hear you. But watch:

That [b]Olu means lord and is usually a reference to a local king does not mean that it cannot be used in refere[/b]nce to God.

Please note that it therefore, in the Biblical context does not mean it is LOrd God as the Sole Creator. The One True God. At best, considering the Primary Speaker being LORD, talking to another lord, who is the listener, we can only get the clear picture that this listener is an inferior lord. More like Baale to a real Oba. Or a town chief to the town King.

If we read Mark 12 Verse 29, we see that Jesus himself is telling his audience that he is in the same boat as them. That the Lord, whom they are well acquinted of His existence of not beng on earth, right there and then with them, as Jesus was speaking, is also Jesus' Lord God. If Jesus was a part of this Omnipotent God, he had his chance, he did not even hinted it, but declared that he was also a subject, like everyone else.

When I read Matt 5 verse 18 or so, the verse that indicated to us that the Jews ae now determined to kill him because they perceive him to be equating himself as being equal/as high as God, we can not but ask why? The reasons that come to mind are many. One of them will have to be that it is foreign to the jews that no one or people was/were ever called son(s) of God. They know that God does not have a son or sons. They know that that will destroy the idea of permanent dominance over the dominions to hav offspring. Only those who have offsprings are considered mortal. Offspring replaces a dying entity.

To be son of God will mean that the entity will inherit the nature of God. This means that the son will have to be worshipped just as God is worshipped. This goes against worshipping One God, the concept which is practiced by all before the "so called son of God," came about. It will also gives the clear impression that God is now touchable, can be seen and can be studied and be determined, and his emotion can be projected for all to see, since His son would just have all his qualities, including dimensions. You see where am going with this, man? I could develop a whole textbook on this, just to make it clear that that concept of son of God, completely rattled the Jews. It is considered bogus by them. t deemed impossible based on all the experiences that had occurred with Moses in the Old testment. Yet Moses was a prophet among prophets, for he spoke to God many times, but never have seen Him, ever! He performed many more miracles and liberated the Jews from tyranny. Jesus never did as much as him, and clearly no one heard that he was declared by God as His son, before the Jews made that conclusion that he was now considering himself to be son of God!

If the people at his baptizm have heard the alleged voice from heavens, while the heavens opened up and the dovelike spirit of God descended, it would have been talk of the nations and the jews would have been used to that idea of a son of God, since it would have been heard by witnesses, who would just say they were there when it happened! Since this was not the cae, these story about God, heaven opening up, dovelike spirit descending and declaration of begotten son whom God is well pleased is all a charade, bogus an fake! (Osisi, she you dey hear me?) It is this fakery of prophethood, which the Jews thought drove Jesus to make insinuation that they cansidered blasphamy to God. That is the reason they want to kill him.

So the lord listening to the statement of the Lord, about how he will be honorred and defended, is the small potato lord. Is like when a wife calls any member of her husband's household, Oko mi. Who is the Oko, in the true sense? The little boy is not the Oko of the grown woman, except that he is fake Oko. Let him try to actually perform the act. You will see how he is immediately told his place. (Have you heard Olowo Orimi o, when the yoruba wives say it? Or even the mother or stepmother calls the sons/daughters Oko mi? Even daughters, man.

This is the case with Jesus (AS), son of Virgin Mary! The protestants, still call this woman virgin, after they insinuated that Old man Joseph the capenter got two babies from her. Could she truly remain a vigin, after she had been mounted?

@~Lady~: Below is what Pastor AIO said, that waranted my response that you reacted to.
From Pastor AIO, a Yoruba man, using yoruba expression here: quote; "I also hate when yoruba people usually translate Olu to mean God. Olu means lord and was more likely to refer to the local King than to God. I had to correct my mother on the meaning of her name. She didn't like that as that was probably the first time I had to set her straight on something to do with family history. she is usually the teacher." unquote.

Until you speak, read and write Yoruba language, its impossible for you to argue with me about the language that is my mother tongue. You see that pastor AIO, is not arguing with me, but you are the one engaged in the argument? lol.

The same reason that we have been telling you that it would have been better if your Bible was in some senitic language, instead of its manuscript from Hellenstic language; Greek. The way you are to my Yoruba is the same way the reeks are to Jesus semitic language. Words and expressions are taking to mean the opposite true meaning!

@~Lady~: I will allow you. But if I have to respond, you will have to call me and remind me of the thread's topic and dates of your entries.

@Queenisha and Davidylan:

Quote from: Queenisha on Yesterday at 12:48:38 AM
please care to show the readers where Mo was specifically mentioned in the Bible


Babs tried to show us . . . he got confused where the bible specifically says that the Holy Spirit is from the FATHER and proceedeth from the FATHER. Unfortunately he totally forgot that attributing the term "FATHER" to allah is haram.

Woman, Ol girl Queenisha, please give me the full gamut on the "Comforter promised by Jesus?" I submit to you that the comforter was no other than Muhammad bin Abdallah (as). I will give you full analysis of that verse, the moment you take me on, on it.

Oh David. I call you David. Some people call you 4Him. Yet others call you davidylan. Am sure the blood family members call you many other names; the traditional tribal names given to you by your grandparents, if your parents did not give you any. Are you many persons, or just one person? Are you truly 4Him, or just a name that you call yourself? If I were to arrive at your family home and I sheepishly ask for 4Him, from your parents, would they not likely to ask me, are you sure you are in the right place? 4Him is therefore fake to your parents. The same Father is fake to God Almighty Creator.