₦airaland Forum

@Nwando: Aren't you tired of this type of hypocracy, lover and not fighter? lol!

But the Christians will claim that all of the old laws were cancelled out by Jesus. Although, from the above, we see that Jesus followed the same 'Old' laws, without so much deviations. But that means diddly to the Christians who will argue that the rule of Jesus have to be 'abrogated' by Paul and his followers, because of the 'claimed' on the road to Damascus epiphany! Or is it serendipidy?

Who is truly the leadership of the Christians; Jesus who they claimed to be god, son of god, (definitely a prophet) or the johnny come lately Paul (an ordinary Bogard, who never met Jesus)? The answer is apparent, since Paul was able, single handedly change the laws of Jesus himself, at least the one stated in the poster's introdutory entry above. We can see that Jesus was very strict in the ruling as he proclaimed that a parental abuser deserves death!

How is it possible that Paul and company was able to go against the law passed down by god the son, when the prophets (eg Moses), who came before this son god stated and followed the same laws, which he received directly from God, or as the Christians will say it god the father? Lets blame whose shoulders the blames should squarely lay; Paul!

And he was not the last either. But he did ascend to heaven. And after him was his successor, who was also the last to descend, after Adam and his wife Hawa!

@SysUser:

Its funny that (while i was blind, i used to think that Mother theresa was all that) now that i know the truth , I HAVE COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT SHE IS GOING TO HELL (FIRST) , THEN LAKE OF FIRE NEXT (PROVIDED SHE STILL DIED AS A CATHOLIC).

It is only in your external eyes that you think that you are not blind! Maybe because you see the physical things around you. But that does not have anything to do with spiritual sight; the soul and the heat are the elements for that. I think based on your mentioning of two distinctive places of punishments, Hell and lake of fire I can see that you are really blind in your soul and heart.

Let me ask you, which of the two places will you rather be to receive lighter punishment, if you are going to be punished? From your statement above, I believe you had stated that Hell is less of a place of punishment than lake of fire. Better be ready for Hell if you die as a Christian. Davidylan, see the reason that I am not a Christian? This is just part of it. No wonder that you guys are not even aware that every human will have to pass over Hell! Passing over must have a pathway, and since it is over it is overpass, a bridge over it, shaking, as it warps in a form of vibration or oscillation as if it will experience a shearing or breakage! But will not, except that those non believers will fall into the fire of hell below! But people with belief in Is"lam will pass over it, without falling in different degrees of speed, directly relative to the strength of the individual belief!

I remember asking a Christian a happiness question. The response from the Christian was that it was like heaven. So had a follow up question: You mean paradise? The answer I got was a total surprise to me. Heaven is different from paradise and I meant heaven. I pressed harder now: Tell me the diffrerences, using the proper descriptions of both to provide the diffrerences? Oh well, I do not want to go into religion matters. But my question was not of religious nature, except I will like to know what the differences are. Up till now am still waiting for an answer. No wonder SysUser that you have lake of fire, instead hellfire, which every prophet, including Jesus spoke about! I am sure that the lake of fire, is an invention after he was lifted up.

I wonder if the Christians have thought about the 'heaven,' in the Lord's prayer? It is stated that the father is in heaven. Does it mean that the father is in paradise? Or are they aware that there are 7 layers of heavens? Or that the heaven that they hope to arrive in contains, presently paradise and hellfire? Which one of the two in heaven, hellfire and paradise is the Christians heading to, or neither? Maybe heaven; a different kinda of place and lake of fire? When Jesus fought the devil, why was it in hell and not in the lake of fire?

{quote]I really thank God that even as a little child in a Catholic School , I had always had problem with the catholic idolatory of saying that Mary was the Mother of god.[quote][/quote]Your story reminds me of Whealin Jennings' Mama don' let your baby grow up to be cowboy song, which was redone by Willie Nelson. While both of them are country singers, but they wear cowbow gears; the boots, hats, and other clothings! Yet they advocated against this group of persons, the same people they have tried so hard to immediate throughout their careers. The same people who have been their loyal fan. This is simply disingenous on the part of the singers. The same applies to you SysUser, in your criticising the Catholics! Afterall, without the internal struggle that occurred in the catholism, there would never have been anything called protestants! In actuality you are a hybrid or offshoot of catholism!  Even though Is"lam and Christianity (any of its branches, be it catholics or Protestants, etc) do not have the same spiritual source and fountain, good is always known as good. Regardless who it comes from. While the catholics have a mix bag of good and evil actions, we see that it has a better value than the protestants on the whole.

For whereever the protestants go, so does chaos, mayhem, pogrom, and all types of evils. The case of Laurence/lawrence of Arabia out of England as agent of disunity among the Mu"slim is well documented. It is the catholic that has helped the Cubans by leaning hard on the US Government embargoes against her. The protestants, well are just protestants.

They are like the lepers of the Yoruba proverb which says that, though a leper can tap the palm tree spill its drink, the leper can spill to waste the drink from its container. (Bi adete o le demu ole de munu)! They left my home country with distrust among her many tribes; setting one against the other! Thats the protestant!

@Tpaine;

Is there any country that is the paragon of Sharia in the world?

None for a verylong time, because the Christians an the Jews and their influential friend and allies, even among the Mus"lims are working overtime and double shifts to see that even the office of the Kalif (Caliphate), does not exist, again! I wonder why they are fighting it so hard? Unfortunately, there are hypacrites among the leadership of the Musl''im worldwide community. The biggest of them are the Kings and Presidents and Prime Ministers, starting from the house of Saud! They are purchased with few Euros and Dollars, and their alliances are often against the good and benefit of Islam. They are allies of enemies of God, His religion, without any doubt!

I remember a project I was going to do, the moment it has the word Sultanate in it, it was dead before I could say 'xcuse me! And this was last year summer! Now to answer your question, if the musl'ims, the world over ever have the courage to unite, then its Sharia should be the type practiced under the Prophet himself and his successors, etc in City State of Madina, radiating its beauty to the rest of the world. This means that it will have all of the present day acutremen and benefit, since the Madinan sharia did not shy away from the best in her time.

Ironic that yesterday, a friend was telling me the proposal or thoughts of the British government trying to tap into the Sharia compartible finances. Wanting to issue Islamically acceptable Bonds, a form of revenue instrument of funding, to an initial estimate of over 4 Trillion USD or Euro or pounds, by Standard and Poors. In the long run, the world will have to move closer to Sharia type market and other branches of governance!

@4Him: Read again. I said animals use sand, in sand bathing to remove parasites. Elephant and others are good examples. Then I said it removes bacteria. I did not connect it with animals or not. Now have the saliva of dog a dish. then observe it under a microscope. Then wash each specimen plate surface with several powerful types of detergents or bacteria removals. then the a specimen with clean sand or soil, six times. the seventh time rinse with water! Take your specimen surfaces for observations. When you report back to us, tell us which one of them has the least remaining bacteria or non remaining at all.

I will wager my last dollar that it will be the specimen surface that was washed with sand six time and then rinsed with water! You should perform this experiment and we will know who was asleep in Biology class. Nwando, Biko obigeli, perform the same experiment and give us your findings.

And by the way humans eat soil you know! have you heard of mudpie before? Poor western people eat him. And I have seen babies eat soil in Africa. So much for the dangerous bacteria in the soil!

@Nwando: The above is for you. Unfortunately I was going to respond to david, prior to, so his name was written instead.

@4Him

1. The ancient laws of Moses as regard what to eat or where does not apply to the gentile (non Jew).
2. Please read the book of Acts . . . the story of Peter's vision while lying on the roof of his house.

The ancient laws applied to your god, Jesus, though? Then as a gentile you got one over your god Jesus!After Jesus, every thing is a go in Christianity, uh? Even Peter had his own revelation, as a roofer!

Abraham is the father OF faith.
Why then are you crying about Paul having never met Jesus Christ?

A father of faith whose faith's modus operandi you disregard. And I wonder if Paul is receiving his 'revelation' from God, while he wrote his own entries as verses in the Bible.

More dishonesty. All of a sudden the 10 commandments find their way into the sharia?
Why did al'lah give the commandments to the lineage of Isaac and not to the house of Ishmael his first born?

Finally Ismail's branche of the Ibrahim's bloodline got the last prophet messenger! It reminds me of what mayor Mike Bloomberg said when NY Giants stomped the Boston Patriots; The One time that matteredNY won! The time that there is to be a prophet for the whole world, Allahu Ta'ala chose from the "First Son!" You asked for it. I will give it to you raw and as a hard fact!

What commandments were the children of Ishmael living by all these while?

Whatever the commandments, it just was not good enough. So they were isolated as the world passed them by. But by Allahu ta'ala, they got the best of mankind., who was the leader of all the prophets. Have you heard the expression saving the best for last? Thats the condition of ProphetMuhammad by Allahu Ta'ala.

Your p enis might be circumcised but it is the circumcision of your heart that matters to God. Until you do so you may as well grow another foreskin.

Abunna is what Nwando calls it. I wonder if Jesus, Moses, Ibrahim, etc, circumcised their hearts, since we are very certain that they circumcised their genitals?

@4Him:

Does sand also clean the body?

Try it and lets know. Afterall, the animals use it to kill parasites on their skin. It removed bacteria, but still need to clean your skin with water, etc.

wow!!
Olabs
just like that you appeared?
is this jihad time?

You like my appearance, am sure! Allahu ta'ala brought me to a place of victory. This is why I was available yesterday to respond immediately. I wonder what you will do to make your heart beat fast when I am not availabe on the board anymore?

@JeSoul;

so this is how you people justify taking other peoples lives? how frivolous! what rubbish!

In America, we don't say Rubbish. I gues you are a lady, so you are being ladylike. Thanks. But I feel you. How do the Christians justify taking other peoples lives?

Self defense is only when another person is trying to kill you, or your wife or child or someone else and by protecting that person/yourself you end up killing the attacker. This is the only time killing is justifiable!

What if a person is clearly trying to kill the society in a gradual way? That will not count ane justify for a fatwa on the person's live, looking at your repose above?

Just because someone insults your religion or prophet or whatever that gives you ZERO right to kill them! There is freedom of speech and granted some people abuse it but it is still their right. Fatwa is nonsense and can never be justified. Live and let live for crying out loud!

Why would you insult my religion and my prophet? Where is your moral and consideration for others? What happens to speaking the truth? And freedom of speech does not mean that you must abuse my freedom and right of person. Your right should not mean that you must stomp on my right.

what does that have to do with fatwa and its injustifiable killing of innocent people?

how is a fatwa pronounced on an innocent person? A person who fatwa is pronounced upon is not innocent. Fatwa is a decree. I guess every society has its own process of decree pronouncement. America pronounce a decree against the Alqauidah organisation!

FYI: Jesus commanded us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute or insult us

I guess the Christian nations did not heed Jesus statement.

Mo'hammed commanded ya'll to go and kill those same people - he's out of his mind! what other people say against you can never warrant or justify killing them. Period.

I hear you. But you are wrong. You will gain experience and in time you sing a different tune! You are not the first to misspeak.

@feelgood: Why would I do a pretendski? Thats not my style. I do not fight dirty, but I fight very hard, in a very rational and strategical way.

@theopops: There is no reason for any Mus''lim to hid his or her face in shame. It is a good thing to be bashful and be shy. But shamefulness in the way you are looking at it, is a bad thing. Is''lam is very wholesome. All mus"lims should be grateful to God for His mercy.

Whats long thing referred to above?

@4Him;

He found Mo in the Bible didn't he?

Everyone who opens the eye of the heart will see SeyidinnaMuhammad (as) in the remnant of truth that remains in the Bible, after the many revisions and edition and initial human addition to revelation from God which were already altered.

I hope he would be truthful enough to tell you Mo copied and pasted his false Biblical stories from associating with some heretic groups[/uote] Except that he was not learned. That was the dialogue between Angel Gabreil and ProphetMuhammad: Gabreil said Proclaim. He said I am not learned!

stories like Jesus as a baby fashioning birds from clay and other jumbled fables we already dealt with all that when the religious section was vibrant.

If you can not believe that Jesus was able to fashion a clay and supplicate his Lord so that it became a living bird, then I wonder how you could believe that Jesus was able to raise a dead man or give a sight to sightless? The miracles were by God's permission on Jesus! The only thing that Jesus did as a Child was to speak/talk in defense of his mother. Of course it was recorded and not in the bible. So much for you accusation of "Copied and pasted" above.

Later i will deal with David's entry above.

@4Him:

Olabowale never understands anything, attempting to reason with him is like hitting your head on a brick wall.

Dafidi! Se emi lo nbu bayi? Oma se o! Aba jo to fe fi bami soro. Ijo ti nba rie, mba lo eti e. Sugbon o ti dagba ju eni ti a le se be fun. I give the accorded respect to whoever it is deserving of it!

If I am that daft, I wonder why you and others in the Christian or should I say Pauline camp, go crazy when I write? David, don't hit the head hard on the rock or boulder! I want you to be 100% upstair, always. There is still a great future ahead of you. In the process of your life journey, you will discover Is''lam.

Maybe David you need to get a legal Yam to Chop! Afterall, you that will relax you. It will help you to be in that mood after having a good portion of Thanksgiving Turkey meal. I don't eat Turkey but i know the feeling. This is what you need.

@4Him:

The law of circumcision is still well and truly alive . . . no longer is it the physical circumcision of the cutting of the foreskin . . . but the circumcision made without hands . . . buried with Christ in baptism.
Jesus never ate pork (your own oppinion) but i love pork . . . how can i call unclean that which God has made clean? Read the revelation given to Peter (not Paul) in the book of acts.

Do I need to say more? David, you have said everything! You have made permissible what was forbidden before.

The covenant of God with Abraham was written in the blood of rams . . . the new covenant is written with the blood of Jesus Christ.

Yet you call Abraham the father of your faith?

how did m'ohammad get his own stories?

Directly from God Almighty Creator.

Alhaji, you seem to be huffing and puffiing essentially saying nothing. Why is this commandment on the tablet of stone so important to you? Was it sent by all'ah? Is it in your the great book? Is it by any means part of the laws of sharia?

While i was saying nothing, you were able to get from that nothing the commandment written on the stone. The importance of it to me is that it is in the Sharia of All''ah Musa (as) was my Messenger prophet as well. The Commandments given to Musa (as) was sent by All''ah. And it is in the AlQur"an as well. IT is part of the laws of Sharia, because the core of Sharia is worship of One God and no Imagery and no association. Notice that we are all circumcised? You are because you are Yoruba man. Mine is religious on top of the Yorubaness. You also realise that in normal conditions we will not eat Pork!

David, ma je elede moo o. Awon to nje, ara won ma nrun bakon. Ko daa rara! Ma si snow ni winter yi ni NYC! Mo no wipe Snow odo yin a po gon! lol. Aburo, tete fe iyawo o. O tutu yen o daa rara o!

@Adeyinkat:

But they were answered in my last post.
1) No, if He was then the Pharisees, Sadducees & Scribes would not have kicked against Him.

But Jesus never ate pork and he was circumcised! Yet today we see through followership of Paul, instead of abserverance of Jesus actions and commandments, not only do you eat whatever, including pork, but the law of circumcision is been neglected and rejected, seprating yourself from the covenant of God with Abraham. Whats equally bad or even worse is the discarding of the first commandment and all commandments which are related to it of the Oneness of god!

2) Paul knew Jesus by revelation (which was how e got to know what happened at the last supper 1Cor 11 vs23-27

You conveniently forgot that Paul was in the company ofthe direct apostles of Jesus and he heard plenty of story! They educated him plenty.

3) The gospel of salvation by faith was Jesus' commission (he that believes & is baptised will be saved!, not he that obeys the law)

Then it is no wonder that the law of God given to Moses and it was so important that it be etched in Stone, as quickly done away with in a period that is less than 2000 years after it was given! Do you think God changes His cre plan so easily? No, my man! The singular plan of God is worshipping Him alone without any association! That was what all prophets delivered. And when it came to Moses and because of the stubbornness of the children of Israel nations, God have this very core command wriiten down as etching on Stones called tablets! To now tell us that all of that is simply dismissed by Paul's hypothesis, while Jesus who Paul and others raised to position of deity did not dismiss these core commandments! Hence, Jesus could not have failed to tell his apostles the truth for all the time of his ministry, then he had to wait for an evil strange man, who never saw him alive at anytime! One group must not be telling the truth. That group will not be Jesus!

@Mantee: Sharia has always been in Nigeria. It was part of the first constitution. Have you heard about native court? That is Sharia, among the Mus''lims. And its every where there is a community of Mus''lims. Its death can not come as long as there are humans alive. If you say that some persons are using it as a political tool, then thats something! Deceit does not have a strong footing to stand on! But that will be separate from Sharia. Every Mus''lim should use it as a guide and self preservation. But it is also better when it is the guide of the collective members of the community, regardless of its volume!

@Skyone: There is no Other Creator along with Him. In Yoruba language He is called Eleda, Oluwa, Olorun, Eledumare, Alayelorun, etc. Help me wih the many names! The tribes of the world have their own names for Him, too. The English call Him God, Lord, Almighty, Creator, etc. Finally in the Qur''an, He declares Himself in a proper name as All''ah! In another place He says call Me All''ah, call Me AlRahman, to Me belongs the Most beautiful Names! And we see that He has 99 plus names and attributes which we human knows Him by. Then there are more which we do not know. Yet there are which Only He knows! My Creator, without a doubt created you, everyone and Jesus Christ son of Mary(as)!

@Backslider: Have you ever heard of the word "Sira?" Thats the story of the life of Prophet MuhammadbinAbdallah! Go and read it. You can even google it in bits and parts; videos and books and lectures. fterall, those who knew him related his story. That is diffrerent from the Qur''an. This statement from you to deny that there is no single acceptance of the story of his life, is a testamony to your insincerity. I will advice you to argue your point in truth. When you don't, it becomes a lie and soon enough it will be discovered as such.

I wonder why your parents are still Mus''lims? Is it not ironic that you are the only one who is out of this religion in your family and yet the only one who lives outside the native country? Are you running away from your conscience? You will not be able to do it, as long as you are alive, the conscience is with you, its the state of the soul and the heart feels it!

@Feelgood:

Is''lam is the religion that both my soul and body agree in the worship of the Creator. Then it is rather surprising that the attack on this religion and its last prophet (as), the one whose period of prophethood and messengership the Creator declared this religion by for mankind. The Creator stated that it is this religion that is the only religion He will accept from the creations. He asked the gathering of the souls of mankind: Am I not your Lord? Every soul of the children of Adam said yes. The Creator then said that He took this oath or agreement as a witness against whosoever shall do otherwise. As God Almighty had declared that His perfect favor in religion is Is''lam which He chose for mankind, I know that any of creation who deviates from this singular true way of receiving altimate Mercy from God is a non believer! These will include the Atheists and Agnotists, the several and all idol worshippers, the jews who truly do not believe in Him as their Lord, because theyare alsways wanting to circumvent His rules and laws and unfortunately the Christians who have taken up three gods instead!

God the Almighty says He is the Beneficient (Al Rahman), a benefit from Him which covers all creations as in sustenance, healing, happiness, worldly success, failure and victory, etc. He says He is the Merciful (AlRahiim)), a benefit of diffrerent kind at different place; starting from the time of death to day of Judgement and beyond; this Mercy is the altimate one for those who will are destined for Paradise. It does not cover any of the inmates of Hellfire!

You want me to abandone this singularly goodly way for a three godhead in one Christian God? Or should I abandone it for the Jewish God, while the Jews do not even truly believe in God as a universal God, but a tribal one for them alone, excluding all other Creations? Yesterday, on CNN some Jewish scholar in Israel was reported to have said that the burning bush was a Psychadellic allucination that Prophet Moses felt and it was not a reality in itself. I wonder if they feel this way about Moses in disbelieving the reality of his calling to serve as His Prophet Messenger against Pharaoh tyranny and for the good of extracating the Children of Israel's 12 nations from this tyranny and propagating the sole worship of One God, in the same way that Ibrahim (as) had done earlier, no wonder it was easy for them to disregard Jesus as a prophet and Messenger and their very Messiah!

The Christians have followed the same course. Afterall you carry their method of religious rationale and you use the same book. Even though you believe a part and disbelieving the others, but they are just the same, except the part you may believe is the part that they disbelieve.

In the words of Qur''an's Surah Kafiruun, I will not worship what you worship. Neither will you worship what I worship. To you your way and to me mine in worship! Yet I will encourage you to abandone idolatry of the mind and that of the visual as well and come to Success in Is''lam.

@Nwando:

and who are the you people?
my dear you've lived in the civilized world now for years and still think the opposite of I'slam is Christianity?
when you with all your exposure think this way,what hope do we have for the almajiris of Gombe?
why should anybody blame them?

Isaid you guys, referring to David and you! Go back and read my post again. I did not use people and did not address the whole of Christendom. I only addressed David and you. Whats almajiris? Are they Muslims, not only by name? If they make salah, Zakah/sadaqah, saum, Hajj/ Umrah, then they are Muslims. May Allahu tabaraka watahala forgive us all. My invitation is still standing for you guys. Don't miss the opportunity.

@Nwando:

get youself 4 of your female cousins as your 4 Iyawos and have a "merry" sallah

Thats not how it works. AlRahman gives allowance for every kinda personality, from recluse, introvert to extreme extrovert. So a shy man can find a spouse within the family, if that whats available. But a roaring lion like me or the untameable tiger like Davidylan want strange women. For me, my taste is exotic. For example, no ethnic looking woman for me. Even among Yoruba or others, eg. Igbo!

And by the way, Adam and Eve Children married one another. Contrary to the Sons of god sleeping with daughters of earth in the Bible! By the way, you will see that others were referred to as sons of god and Jesus was not unique in this position. And who and were were the mother(s) of the sons of the Bible god, here? Who were the parents of the daughters they slept with?

go into tilth whichever way you see fit and scourge them when they misbehave.

Alhamdulillah. In all of the misquotes that could be made, you have not quote a scourging situation by the prophet, who we follow. The wife can also tilth the husband you know. Thats the role of the spouse. lol.

@4Him:

This is the EXACT same reason no right thinking fellow would take m'ohammad the charlatan serious, at least Paul was alive to have seen the disciples of Jesus face to face. But Paul was not a prophet and was not a companion of a prophet, except that he was a companion of the companion! Now if your idea that seeing a prophet that is the yardstick of believing another prophet, then I am not surprised that the Jews did not believe Jesus. Afterall< Jesus never saw Moses face to face! His arrival after Moses was even longer than the arrival of ProphetMuhammad after his ascension! you will see that your idea is poorly executed in presentation.

@Nwando:

people won't see this one now.
when nwando will talk now they'll start saying I hate mu'slims and that I'm slamming I'slam Now who is the aggressor?
I don talk my own

If you speak the truth, then no body will talk about Nwando. Try it sometimes.

@Nwando:

Tell 'em to ''bring it on''. . . . . God is solidly behind his children . . . . . .

I saw a place where the Christians were referred to as even servants of Jesus. That is low, which is not in the same high level of servantry like the servantry of God. Considering that Jesus himself is referred as a subordinate or servant of God! I will be a servant of the Master and be happy and not the servant of the servant of the same Master. Finally, how can you be children and servants at the same time to trhe same Master?

ah ma du du lie

Thats is not the right way to write it. It is Al ham du li llah. See the diffrence? Now try to say it 10 times!

they should let sleeping dogs lie O

Some people lie with the dog and get up with flees.

@4Him: Iro po lenu e. He was not afraid of dog. He said that dog should be kept for a useful purpose; as guard dog, hunting dog, shephard dog, or leading the blind or something like that. No to have it and be in love with it to the point that you starting up on it, not minding the germs in the saliva, etc, or even call it your member of family and you share the same bed with it.

Thats dirty. Nwando and David, you guys don't have anything like that: Kissing up or cuddling up and inviting it to sleep in your bed! Yarkky. That filt. I knew some Nigerians who did that in the 70s.

@Nwando: At least I am clean and my body and soul are focused on the Almighty, alone. You should join in on it!

@JeSoul: Sometimes, later today, I will address your statement above.

@Nwando: Too much preaching! Its the old mindset; Just belief. Even though it does not make any sense, but your faith in that belief is what count! No, sis, not me. It just does not wash! Been led by a spirit, have to be taking into proper context; There are good spirit and bad spirit! You can imagine how easy it is for the evil one, a spirit to make things evil seemingly good to you, since he was able to lead your god, Jesus to the wilderness, taking him on a cliff and asking him to bonafide himself, in three separate ocassions. Think about that.

It is true that I am carnal, because I am a human being. I eat, drink, love the things that make life worth living. But I am warned not to go against the grain of the set boundary by God in His Sharia, which was demostrated by His MessengerMuhammad (as). This, have kept me grounded, with the fact that I have many safety nets; seeking forgiveness when I err, etc. I am not a drone and I doubt if any human is. I readily admit my weakness to God and seek His Mercy in my prayer and repentance. You should try it. talk to Him directly and not through a third party. He sees and hears everyone!

COME TO IS'LAM and stop fighting so hard!

@4Him

When have you sat down to discuss the errors in the k'oran instead of getting posters banned, threads removed and threats sent to the admin?

David, have you found any Mus'lim saying that there is an error in the Qur'an, while still a Mus'lim? Finally, I would like you to point to one single error in the Qur'an to me. I will like you and me to discuss it. Chose your subject matter, your verse in the Qur'an and am good to go. toe to toe with you.

@Dafifixone:

When Jesus died on the cross, he was thinking of you, not of himself.

Remember sharing your spoon with others brings "heaven on earth".

Remember there was no time you mentioned Paradise. I asked a Christian once, to describe heaven which she said was different from Paradise. I am still waiting. I now get it that there is only heaven on earth! Yet we have not come across it, except that heaven on earth is the felicity you have now. Is this a correct understanding of your Christian heaven on earth? It seems then that all you have is the lake of firs remaining for you after you die, or is there another place which you are keeping secret away from us? I am sure that place ids not the paradise that the Mus'lims in particular are looking forward to by the Mercy of Almighty GodAllah!

I wonder why Jesus cried out on the cross about why did God forsook him, if he was not thinking about himself, but you? That cry is completely opposite your statement here! You must have been making it up again, like the Trinity which is opposing and opposite many verses from jesus himself! Why did Jesus behave and why did he say things that are opposite and clearly opposing your statement about him as well as your assumption of him? I have not even touch up on his prayer in the garden of geshemane where he was pleading to take the cup off his head because he did not want to die. First if he prayed and his prayer did not come to pass, that should point to us, very clearly that he was not God because God can not be praying to God! But the fact that his prayer at the garden was not accepted, at the garden speaks volume, if one is to rely on the Bible text alone.

However, as a Mus'lim, I know that God will always accept the prayer from His prophets. Any prayer He will not accept (answer), He will not let the Prophet make it. I Know that Jesus was not crucified and did not die on the cross, because his Lord God Almighty accepted his prayer. Jesus being a true servant of his God and the Lord God being Jesus Support, He covered him with His Mercy and Compassion and saved him from the clutch of his enemy, the evil doing community!

@Nwando

That is the difference between a carnal man and one led by the Spirit.
You,a carnally minded man are not meant to understand Spiritual things.They are above you till you take that first step

This is your best response on this very senstive issue? If you are dealing with me, and provide this type of responses, I will encourage you to try harder for more direct to the issue responses. A do over. But you are not my jurisdiction so, give whatever response you want. But as for me, it is too flat. Reasons; You walk away from Jesusin something that he said because it calls for personal responbility. But walk to him and pin on him something he did not say, just because it absorb you of personal responsibility of salvation of your soul!

Did you read my response to your statement of chicken fees payment for a wife purchase? Again, there is no purchase of any person, Islamically. Check the Qur'an. Then check the Ahadith/Sunnah which explains Qur'an. You will never find purchasing wife by husband as an acceptable procedure. You may find it in the Bible, I think. Any intended purchase has no be ethnic protocol, but not religious. At least not Islamic, anyway.

@Nwando;

I wonder how many Christians have followed that command literally
answer is none because we are the people of the book with knowledge and understanding.

Literal is not popular with the Christians, when it comes to crunch time. However, it is literal when it comes to hanging your "salvation hat" on the same personality who outline a process of 'crime and punishment' which you refused to take literally! Wouldn't you call this duality a disgenuous or lukewarm in belief in him at best? If you love him as much as you said, there should be no problem in taking everything that he said in the same manner across the board!

@JeSoul:

the killing of a person for any other reason than self-defense is never justifiable. Fatwa is never justifable or any other religion-based killing.

Fatwa, if proclaimed under proper Islamic rule, it is self-defense and it is justifiable. Self-defense should not be looked as only individual, but community or societal as well!

Surprising that you are a christian but your statement above simply disregard what Jesus is recorded to have said in the Bible as concerning what one should do with the eye that causes one to sin!

@Nwando:

In a religion stuck in the dark ages anything is justifiable.
A raped woman is stoned to death in 2008 for allowing herself to be raped and a women is literally the property of her family and later of a husband who has bought her private part with chicken change.Fatwa is small talk.

No wonder the laws in the New Testament (the Sharia or Jurispudence as clearly explained by Jesus (as)), is never observed! I hear you, Nwando. Lady, too much mouth! If only any of you are serious Christians, observing what Jesus said. Oh, am mistaking, Jesus was not a Christian.

By the way, how much should be the price to be paid? I only give gift as token of love. People are not purchased, Is'lamically. Any purchase is more ethnic or traditional. But the ignorants wrap their Unis'lamic behaviors by it anyhow. When an illegal sexual act takes place, there are many things that must be considered, including the witnesses. In the case of rape, the perpetrator of the rape must not be spared, but must go under the law. If you find anything different, then the Sharia has not been practiced. It is as simple as that. Saying it without doing it are not the same.

@Imhotep: Liar, liar pant on fire! David, bami so fun keferi (kiriyo) yi pe ko mo nkon to nso! You do wuru wuru to the answer! Man, you are good, but not without a peep into your fallacy!

Let us now put Mark12:29 in context ->

Quote from: Mark12:28-37
28 One of the scribes, when he came forward and heard them disputing and saw how well he had answered them, asked him, "Which is the first of all the commandments?"

29 Jesus replied, "The first is this: 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is Lord alone!

Take note that the word "Our" is inclusive of Jesus and all the Israelites, his primary and exclusive audience and ministry boundary! How them is he different from the Israelite in servantry to God the Lord who is One, except that he was the messenger prophet who brought them the good news, just Moses had brought them the torah? This you must answer, since you have the gull to open the can of worms in here.

30 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.'

Pay attention to the fact that Jesus was lecturing them here about their duties to God. And not their duties to him, a messenger prophet who was present with them. Jesus already knew and doing these things himself, that was how he could tell them. Afterall, he was their primary example whom they have to follow or emulate.

31 The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
32 The scribe said to him, "Well said, teacher. You are right in saying, 'He is One and there is no other than he.'

Jesus never said to the Scribe, hey I am the God that I am referring to. And he did not say that he was His son either. If there was a time to truly say these things, this was it. Yet there was not a single line leading to either of the essential position, which the Christians are now claiming for him! Anything else is after the fact here. Jesus never claimed it, but it was convenient for people to claim it for him, since he is not available to rebuke or refute your claims.

33 And 'to love him with all your heart, with all your understanding, with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself' is worth more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."
34 And when Jesus saw that (he) answered with understanding, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." And no one dared to ask him any more questions.

It seemed that Jesus was the authority among them. It was necessary to ask him questions, but whatever his answer, it should be sufficient. Same with ProphetMuhammadbinAbdallah. I wonder then how you will think that Jesus was more than a prophet when he emitted the very essence of prophethood? And why are the non Mus'lims angry when they read thayProphetMuhammad was th law and authority just like Jesus was above here?

35 As Jesus was teaching in the temple area he said, "How do the scribes claim that the Messiah is the son of David?
36 David himself, inspired by the holy Spirit, said: 'The Lord said to my lord, "Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies under your feet."'

Who are the enemies of Jesus, if he is the lord referred to by the Lord above? Are these the Israelites? Did he fight them or did he finally win over them or win them over at anytime? The answer to each question is no! You know it and I know it. Post David, the Prophet, father of Solomon who you claimed to be the speaker, his son Solomon fought wars. After him and his son, Israelite nations (the 12 nations of israel) were divided into two distinctive regions, Israel and Judea. This remain until Jesus came as a prophet. Jesus was not victorious over any people. He was not a king, and he was not a warrior and was not successful at uniting these 2 sections of the 12 nations of Israel. At no time was he successful in his ministry, if we go by the bible alone. Afterall the majority of his people are still not his followers. Christianity is a fringe religion among the Children of israel. But we only can see Jesus succeess, when we read the Qur'an. Finally, just to agitate your thinking a little, god and lord was only used human beings in the Bible? Was it not used for a group of people? can you name any or all of them, including stones and trees, if any?

Infact, he was hanged as a victim, just like all the other victimised prophets of old, eg, John son of Zachariah and his father! They were killed. I am quoting your Bible now. Others, their lives were attempted upon. So this saying of Prophet David could not apply to Jesus. Jesus was not a warrior. From your Bible, he was meek in disposition. Rather it would apply to a prophet who fought wars and was supported by Angels to be victorious over his formidable enemies. Many a time Angel Gabreil bought along side the nation of MuhammadbinAbdallah. Take for example, the Battle of Badr, where in the month of fasting they were just 310 (the exact numbers of soldiers under King Saul when David defeated Goliat), and they defeated a more equiped and battle ready 1000 strong men of Quraish. Thats putting an enemy under the feet of the victor!

Would the sitting on the right side of God be a physical thing or what? You will see that at no time nothing referred or inferred to Jesus in that speech.

37 David himself calls him 'lord'; so how is he his son?"

Should this not truly point out to you that the Bible itself antagonises itself! Averse antagonises another. A topic destroys another. A chapter goes against another. A book actually opposes another. Now, which is true, Verse 37 here or the genealogy of jesus where David is referred to as his father, along with the others, including his step father? Who is truly his father? Rather he was fathereless, a miraculous creation that only God can, without using any element! Of course, Children are born today without fathers, but not without using God's foundamental elements, even in cloning, or test tube baby, artificial insemination reproduction, surrogacy or others.

A scribe came to ask Jesus a tricky question about the commandments. Jesus summarizes all the many Jewish commandments into two -> love of God and love of neighbor.

But cancelled Circumcision, kosher dietary laws, none graving imagery, and others? You do not speak the truth at all. Jesus himself observed all of these, how can he cancelled them for his followers? Sometimes, I think you want to speak the truth, but you fight the urge of it and therefore hold back.

Jesus then goes ahead to mention His own genealogy. Look at verses 35 to 37. He is the Son of God. God can only beget God, just as man begets man and cat begets cat.

I beget my sons. But their mother is in the same nature as me and the boys. In the case of cats, the mother cat and the litters and father cat are all in the same nature; cats. Man in the nature of people. Now how do you justify Jesus looking like his mother Mary and not like God? God whom no sight have ever seen Him? Except that Jesus is truly his mother's son, without a father, an easy process of creation by God. Afterall, without an example, God created Adam from soil and water. Then from a part of Adam, He created Eve, a female and before, these two, there was no man, and there was no woman! You must realise that Christians belittle the capacity of God to create as He wills and how He wills. Or you are over exagerating the position of Jesus. You love for him, because of your failure to carry your own water to save your own soul. You thought you have found somebody that will do it for you. So you have to concort a fitting imagery of him. Even if it means out right and delusional lies!

So, you see that you have been taking it out of context all the while!!

No so Imhotep. Rather it is your malaisse that has blindede you to see the truth tha nothing add up in your calculations.