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@Waleab: Aburo, am adult. And its too early for me to be in the sun. Alhamdulillah, I am also busy. But I do have time from R and R. But you did not even refute me. Mo gbaa, abi? Wale. Sho raa e.

Don't call me bad names, omo boy. I am not a religion nutter. Am just a Mus/lim. Its permissable kee, right. lol. You have a mouth on you though.

Why Haleiluyah? There is no Jehovah or Yahweh withing Haleiluyah, is there? What is the Haleiluyah derived from and what is it supposed to mean and in what language?

Except Yahweh, Jehovah, etc is not a proper name of the Creator. What is His proper name and why are you not using it, if you know it? Maybe you dont. Maybe His name is Al/lah, without the H of the Children of Israel's accent? Then the yah is Oh in arabic you know.

Allah u yah
Haleil u yah

Do you see what I see, now? Except that the Arabs put the Yah in front, so it becomes Ya Al/lah u. The u is to indicate a continuation. That you are additing something. For example Ya Al/lah u Sultani! If you do not intend to add anything you just say Ya Al/lah!

Try the yah with yahweh or Jehovah, etc. It will not work. Try bouncing it off your pastor or minister or preacher. They dont even know. So Shout Ya Al/lah. Thats the best.

@Imhotep;

The Jews He was talking to knew EXACTLY what He meant, and they wanted to stone Him.

They wanted to stone your god? What did your do? Duck his head? kept away grom the street so that they dfon't catch him? ran away to Egypt, trying to save his own hide? All of the above? Is any of these quality of the Creator? Running away from creations?

Quote from: John8:58-59
58 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

59 So they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid and went out of the temple area.

I have to laugh at you, because you worship thing that run/hid away from ordinary mob of men! But I am before Abraham. Let me repeat, before Abraham was, I Olabowale (was as a soul)! I guess Jesus is like me, creations of God Almighty!

But there was a time that Muha/mmad hid himself from the Makkans in Makka. When they were after him, Al/lah revealed Verse 9 of Surah Yasiin. He walked between them and they were unable to see him. When he was on the way in Hijra to Madina, he and Abu Bakr (ra), were shielded in a cave by God from enemies eager to overtake them. So the nemies were confounded.

And Surakat, who was the lead spy against him from the Makkans so that he could give them his movement rode an animal that was uncooperative. His horse was sinking in the sand, and by this he became a muslim before he died.

He was practically telling them "I Am Yahweh". And they were pissed.

You must have had a weak Yahweh. Or maybe a fake Yahweh, since he was hiding himself from the killer mob after him! I guess the real yahweh will not be hiding, because He will show His might. Thats the difference between real and fake. Anyone could have called himself or some demented packs of admirers could call anyone yahwwh. I think the latter is at play in the Bible and people are attaching it to the innocent man. They think that they are elevating him. All they are dping is creating their own avenue of destruction!

A Yahweh that would not truly be a Yahweh, is the Yahweh that is mouthy but has nothing behind it so hiding is a good tactics for saving face. Avoiding been skinned alive! So the "I am Yahweh" was said in vain, just like Pharaoh boasted about his being god of Egypt and the nile flowed by his power! I wonder why the people say Aleiluyah, instead Yahwehyah or yahyahweh? That shows that yahweh could not truly be the proper name of the Creator! Afterall Eloi is what is written. And it is synonemous to All/ah and has no connection, whatsoever with yahweh, etc!

I suggest you read the book of Exodus, chapter 3


Exodus3:14 ==>
Then he added, "This is what you shall tell the Israelites: I AM sent me to you."

I hope you knowthat when an entity says that he is sent, it means tht his Boss is the sender and he is the servant/slave. I AM (God Almighty Creator) "send" me (Jesus the prophet, messiah, son of man) to you (the Jewish people/children of Israel)! I hope you get it. Maybe when I get to Nigeria, I should send my nephew to you. That will make you get it.

@Backslider: Have you ever seen a Jew before, in your entire life? I know enough to say that I am certain of what I wrote. You thik your ghost is what they are referring to when they write roush qudush or however they wrote it? Please give me the spelling of Christian's holy ghost in Hebrew and or aramaic and we compare it to Jewish and Arabic spellings.

You think the Jews are talking about what the christians believe to be the one that get mary pregnant, when they say roush Qudush? The same thing that you guys say mounted Mary to sire Jesus? Yet Mary remained a Virgin? Please man, don't humor me. I am not in the mood for insincererity.

And di you read the Qur//an? Did you learn about Malaika Jibril? Come on. Come off it.

@Imhotep:

Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM"


John 8:58 Jesus says, "before Abraham was, I Am"

How do you connect these two verses? Big time tall tale teller, you! I wanna read your connect the dot acts of these two verses! Am waiting.

@Imhotep: You did not see my entry about my existence before Abraham and Jesus, right?

But it is interesting to know that Jesus never said that before Adam he was! The reason was that as a prophet and messengr of his Lord, Jesus knew that he was a product from Adam. And a word to indicate that he existed before Adam would have been incorrect. Chew on that now.

Just for the truth of it: Did Jesus, aka holy spirit, as a ghost make his mother pregnant, with him? Think people.

@All Christians: Before Abraham on earth, I Olabowale and all sons and daughters of Adam were, in our spiritual form. Our souls were taking at the same time from the back of Adam. This means all the souls of all who came from Adam, in body and soul. This included Jesus, the one who you guys are so naive about his saying. And unfortunately, you are giving it your own spin, so that you can further a fakery of the legend.

In that statement, so that you hear me well, before Jesus on earth, i olabowale was in heavy! Now chew on that. There is no God save All/ah! And Jesus is not it. The holy spirit is not it. God Almighty stands alone, in His Majesty, Awesomeness. Jesus was a mere Creation. So is the holy spirit.

@Nossycheek:

@olabowale &  frizy

When I looked at your jaundiced responses, I convulsed in laughter. That is typical of the people of the great religion who leave simple questions and start chasing shadows and dribbling like Okocha. Witness asked some questions, provide answers period.

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To ignore the facts does not change the facts.

I intentionally add your motto to your respnse. I want to cream you with it. First, which is fact Jesus' or Paul's? If ignoring the fact does not change the fact, how come you can be siding with Witness, who could have easily posed the question of moon split to the NASA people or any relative agency for answer?

If the Quraishi people of the prophet time did not deny that they saw two halves of the moon, but only felt that they were under the spell of magic, how come a group of later generations (eg Witness and you, etc), are having a hard time with it?

The miracle was not meant for you, but for the people on ground when it did happened. Let just say for the sake of argument that no one had gone to the moon and saw it, first hand or even pictures of it, etc, would this have nollified the miracle as a sign specifically meant for the Quraishis? Yet you guys believed the 3 days and 3 nights sign of Jesus, a similitude of Jonah in the belly of the whale. But please calculate 3 nights and 3 days from sundown or just about on Friday to just sunrise of just about of the following Sunday, for me. I wanna see your hoodini flimflam, right now!

If you believe something that could not be calculated as accurate, considering the 3 days and 3 nights is at least some daylight time short with at least one night time short, how come do you doubt the moon split?

Fortunately, the NASA agency and its astronauts and other worldwide agencies were not mus/lims. The humans who have seen the moon were not mus/lims. Thank God that they reported their findings. Just imagine if they were mus/lims, people like would have given all kinda opinions why you would not believe what the astronauts saw!
And 200 years ago no one would have believed that it was possible to travel to the space, moon, etc via a space machines and back. But the NASA agency is now planning to go to Mars. But in the AlQur'an, we read that God say that human should penetrate the space, if they can, because they can not of their own, except what He permits them of it (the knowledge). Thank God that humans are doing that, today. But do you have any verse in the Bible that could indicate the possibility that humans will be able to travel to the space?

But all the efforts of man will be within but before the first heaven, regardless of much we try! Finally do you have a proof that Muha//mmad did not make the moon appeared as 2 broken parts to the Quraishis? Do you have an absolute proof that the moon was not splitted? And was the moon the objesct that Muha/mmad splitted? Why not the sun, or the stars or something from among other heavenly bodies? Afterall you will see that the Qu//r'an spoke about the solar system, in many places and in Surah Yusuf, it is obvious. The truth of the matter is that it happened and when discovered by the enemies of All/ah, and His Messenger and believers, the enemies have problems with it.

@Backslider: Thanks for your enlightenment.

@olabowale

To clear your doubts the religious worship of judiasm had the holy Ghost and he is called ruakh qodesh

And the AlQurr;;an, Angel gabriel is referred to, among many names, as Ruuh Qudus. See the similarity in writing and pronounciation, barring the ethnic and accent variations?

Read below



The first occurrence is in Ps 51:11[13], when David prays in penitence to the Lord, “Do not reject me! Do not take your Holy Spirit away from me!”.2 The two other occurrences are in Isa 63:10 and 11, where the Lord refers to the Israelites as those who had grieved his Holy Spirit by rebelling against him even though he had so graciously delivered them in the days of old:

Unfortunately, you did not see the difference between God and His Angels. The Angels are beings created by Him for purposes to carry out His commandments. Just because they are Angels of God would you say that they are God? Now as I have stated above, Angel gabreil is called Ruuh Qudus, meaning holy spirit, since all Angels are spiritual beings of a specific nature, based on what they are made from (light). The Jinns are aso spiritual beings, but they are made from (Smokeless fire). But Angels obey God 100% and are His fully obedient slaves/servants, contrary to the wrong notion and belief of the christians, etc about "fake Angel, which is truly a jinn by the name Lucifer!" The Jinns or popularly known as genie are beings that are endowed with free will, just like man. This is the singular reason that only men and genie will be judged on the day of accounting.

So when Prophet King David was pleading to God that he should not be deprived of the benefit of the holy spirit/ghost as in Psalm 51; 11/13, as you have quoted above, it is not saying to God, please dont deprive me of your second part or your alter ego! What it is simply saying is that Oh God you have supported me what you have supported me with of you have supported others before me, please don't withdraw that means of support. For example it was God who killed the childern of Egyptians. But that was accompanied by the Angel of death. Afterall Angel of death does not take a soul except that he is commanded to do so. The defeat by drowning of the army of pharaoh and pharaoh himself was not by the power of Moses, but the power of God. But the support of Moses was Angel Gabreil, the instrument of God.

And to put it in layman terms for you; A son could could easily beg his mother not to deprive him of the use of the Lamborghini to the boys weekend retreat of the coming independence day holiday. Would this mean that the mother an the automobile are One?

But they rebelled and offended his [H]oly Spirit,
so he turned into an enemy
and fought against them.

Did the holy spirit did this becoming an enemy and fighting against the Children of Israel on his own? Or was he commanded to do so by God his Creator, because the Children of Israel disobeyed God, who is the One who gives laws, and holy ghost/spirit just have to follow God's commandments? Please think hard with good reasoning!

His people remembered the ancient times.
Where is the one who brought them up out of the sea,
along with the shepherd of his flock?
Where is the one who placed his [H]oly Spirit among them…

You see that the spirit/ghost is nothing but instrument of actions? You see that it functions according to commandment from God the Almighty?

[/quote]Isaiah 63:14 then refers back to the “[H]oly Spirit” in vv. 10–11 as “the Spirit of the Lord” who had given them rest in the days of old. The latter expression and its interchangeable counterpart “the Spirit of God” (compare, for example, 1 Sam 10:6 with 10:10) occur a total of about 94 times in the Hebrew Bible;3 that is, if one includes instances where “the (my, your, his) Spirit” clearly refers to “the Spirit of the Lord/God” in the context. [quote]

We have in the AlQurran what is called the She-camel of God. We also have what is called the House of God. Are these things part of God? No they are not. God use the association to honor these things. The she camel, even though cae to being miraculously out of rock, it was a sign only to the community to be just. And it was their unjust behavior even to that she camel that brought their peril. In the same light, the house of God in makka is empty. God does not have a bedroom or anything like that. But it is called house of God so as to honor the place and venerate it, in obedience to the commandment given by God.

Holy spirit/ghost could never be God. But it is an Angel which God Almighty Himself honors by calling him by many special names. The name of that Angel is Gabreil! Read Surah baqarah onward and you will learn about Angel gabreil and how the Children of Isral hated him!

Ypu can google the Qur::an and search about Gabreil as a subtitle from it. Start from Surah Baqarah/chapter 2.

@Witness:

Now please kindly apply that same straightforwardness to the following questions:

Brother Frizy, who is better bleesed in beneficial knowledge than me by the Owner of the Throne Supreme , has responded to you. I guess you will not be satisfied, until you see in your own perspective, as the victor over the entire Muuuuuslim world. Typical hard heart you have. If you are not just drumming my name in this, the typical gangan drum I am very familiar with in Ibadan that you are using deserves a reply, because you will not stop. I know your kind in Ibadan (Eni sho nbe, n ma o nbe! lol)

1. How sperm comes from the Spinal cord according to the Q'u.r.a.n,

Did the Qur''an mention "Spinal cord?" Whatever Qur""an mentions, there will be a discovery of it as thruth, if only the world advances in knowledge more than just the present level of today. Hang around for couple of thousand years or even alot less. Will you? Just say it in the name of Jesus okay? Then you will still be available when the discovery is made. You darn liar. You believe in the name of Jesus everything is possible, so delay your death for many thousand years, rather to the end of time to see whether Qur""an is truthful or not!

2. How Mohammmed split the moon (please don't use the earlier nonsense pictures that you sent),

Why don't you petition NASA in a questioning letter? Afterall they are the ones who first had humans on it. Or pose the question to the Russian, Chiness or European union space programs? You may find out the truth and even that can your heart accept it? Will that turn you away from the madness of three personalities god? Or son god? Or holy ghost god? Or father god?

3. How the Sun sets in the murky spring,

Please go to the bank of a large body of water and await the setting of the sun, in the evenning. Report to us your observation. What you fail to see is that when the sun is setting, there is darkness over the water, because the light is almost gone and whatever you see looks murky! Afterall water refracts light in the first place! You complain too much. Yet there is no clear rational in your complaining process. Ask any physics departments of the many universities in Nigeria. Or again pose the question to the knowledgeable people or organization: royal academy of science in England or others around the world, if you are stupidly not accepting the finding of igerian scientists.

Afterall sun does not truly rise or set. But what you see with your eyes without the other scientific relations of earth and sun to each other is just that: Rising and setting! I am just trying to get you not to think only within a narrow scope, inside the box. Get out of Ibadan, which has no water, except the guttery Ogunpa. Go see some big water bodies; hang around there until you see the setting of the sun and begin to observe the water: will it still be clear or murky? Take a picture, a video or a cinema of it. etter if you can't affort the time, go check out a postcard of any sunset effect on a water body: the water is clear that you can see the bottom or murky?

4. Where the injil is located,

You should have asked your big pastors in Nigeria or your Oyinbo masters in Christendom, where did they get the many injils that you have today? Where is the original that they wrote all of these from? They must have copied it, or what did they do? I hope that you will be brave enough to ask them if they copy verbatim, precisely, word for word from the original. Then ask them the hard question, why the differences in all of the Injils, since Jesus left, and why there are no two exactly alike? Even when KJV copied from Douwey, you still have the gull to accuse Douwey and the Catholic sects of Christianity as not being Christians? Shame on you. You hve no scrubble. I wonder what really your mental age. You are really "Ole ti njare oniun!"

5. Why mohammmed is not a peadophile by sleeping with a 9 year old girl, [/quote} And if it was not for the blessing and commandment of God through Muha mmad (as) that somebody like me obey in sexual protocol, many of us would have had no limitation in sexual activities and interests. How then do you thing a mere follower will have a better morality than the leader whose action is the best of yardstick? And finally, could you tell be if Aisha was born before her father became a mus lim and how old was she when her father became a mus lim? Then you will see that your answer as listed above is foolishness! If you want us to discuss this further, please answer these question of her birth and her father acceptance of Is lam! This way I can take you to school and give you education.

6. How did Sabri die, and who killed him,
7. How did Khalil die and who killed him,

Tell me about these people? Who are they? If Muha mmad was just a killing machine as you people are painting him, could it be possible that a single nonmus lim remained in Arabia during his lifetime? Could it be possible that when Umar opened Jerusalem, he would have allowed a single nonmus lim to remain, considering that he would have behaved like his prophet? Considering that the Jews. okay in the early days the Children of Israel overran everywhere the went and killed even the livestocks, do you think any Arab, Jew would have remained as nonmus lim? You are talking nonsense, thats what you are doing!

8. Why did Mohammmed say Abu should also sleep with his wife Aisha, who was Abu's daughter,
9. Why did Aisha's mother die a lonely and miserable death,

You really are showing traces of sickness. Even in your Ibadan, the Aboderin whose family praises is all about sex and more sex do not sleep with their family members. And for your mad mind to be unable to discriminate between truth and pure evilness of the websites where you make your research is an edictment on your ability to act as a man. No wonder Allah the Lord of things declares that the disbelivers are even worse than cattles. See yur level of reasoning?

10. How you can marry more than one wife and still love them equally in all things, accoring to your Q'u.r.a.n (please don't give hypothetical answer please).

Equality does not have to be the same, since one person is not the clone of the other. Everyone is loved 100% in the value she has. She is satisfied in her own way, in her own mind. Afterall, parents have more than one offspring, yet they love each child fully. How? Please the case of Issac and his wife with their children is tje anormally. I hope no mother is that vile if the story is true! It is full of lies and one wonder what is true from the book that has it on it pages.

Let me amuse myself at your expense since you are stopping me to attend to you before I start my full day ahead: let me drag your gods to human level for illustration; how can you have 3 godhad personality, whereby each one is fully singly god at the same, independent of the other? I want to laugh. But I am a bashful man, so I truly can't.

11. Why did Mohammmed say his followers would win against Mecca , yet he refused to join them in the battle and then , which they lost! and were slaugthered!

You are truly a mad man. You need to go to Olunloyo! I wonder who is feeding you these garbage. Which Makka?Are there other Makkas than the only one that only Mus lims can enter it? Was the victory of it not predicted in the Qu ran? Was the bloodless, fightless, battleless war against it led by Mu hammmad himself? Was he not the one who tumbled down and commanded his companions to throw down all of the 360 idols from the Kaaba? Orisi risi ni o wa nibadan. By the way we have family homes in Ibadan. So I am as an Ijebu man, I am a psuedo Ibadan boy.

12. How come Alllah could not save his prophet from dying from the effects of Poison , even though God (God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob) saved Elisha and Paul from being killed by poison.

How long should a person injest what is poisonous and remain alive before he died so that his death would not be ascribed to the poison? A year, two, or what? What if a person injest a poison and was not immediately sick from it? What if the poisonous thing told the person that it is a poison?

The case of Mu hammad is that the poison from the poisonous meat did not make him sick and did not kill him as you would expect any poison injested. Mu hammad case is the case whereby his Lord made him a leader of all things: As the best who lived and died for the cause of God! I don't wanna dwell on the matter too much. You are too mundane to me.

@Witness: Honor killing is not Islamic. Unfortunately, most of these people, in the cultures where honor killing is practiced, do not even have honor themselves! It is a cultural thing and its not part of Islam. But am sure the enemies of Islam are many and will provide their own views which will allow them to tie the prophet and Islam to their propagandist uproar.

The question is this, why is honor killing not practiced in Yorubaland, among the Muslims or most subsahara cultures?

Those who practice honor Killing are deficient in honors themselves. Otherwise, how was it that under their nose their women folks and their men folks are engaged in illicit sex?

Sex should be discussed, freely at home. Educating the youngs about the evilness of illicity of it. Encouraging people to abstain and wait till marriage and the mutual respect and blessings and enjoyments of it.

@Witness; My friend, there is none of those kissing for me. I don't go like that. And I don' eat bologna, either.


Ijebu re mi o. lol. I thosught you may enjoy that.

@~Lady~:

LOL, I am so sorry, that is my fault. I wan't clear. I meant why did he go to the cave? I hear it's because he wasn't hapy with the way his people were? Is this true.

Partially. However, as a potential prophet his Creator never allowed him to participate in any foolishness of the lives of his people. That included their worshipping ofIdols. So God was in his heart. His heart and Soul was always preoccupied with God. And this was the single driving force for which he was always retreating in meditation in the cave.

And long before the first piece of revelation of a 5 verse, the beginning of Chapte called Creation or Alaq, he was being transformed with the name of the One God, (ALL""""AH as the proper name) on his tongue, always.

If no ordinary person has seen an angel in it's true angelic form before how then could the christian know he's telling the truth as he related the story, has the christian seen an angel before. Mary was not a prophet yet she saw an angel in true form or did The Great Prophet say she didn't? So that doesn't mean prophethood. Many people have had encounters with angels, how would u know it's its true form or not. Is there a guideline letting us know that the angel is or isn't in its true form? I haven't seen an agel and neither have I seen Jesus face-to-face, but I do know that they do exist based on history.

The Christians knew from remnants of previous revelations that a prophet was going to be raised up, from among the Arabs and that it is always an Angel that brought down revealed messages from God to human prophets; Moses, Jesus and others. What mary saw was a man. She also knew that the man had a very peculiar form. Unusual for ordinary man. But the Angel tht appeared to her was not in true Angellic form. True Angellic form will include the wings, and all the heavenly decorations. Only True prophets see them, physically in this form. And the prophet does not have to be asleep, either.

Please kindly explain what the signs are of being a prophet.

All true prophets are men. From the time of Ibrahim, who you will call Abraham and the covenant or the acceptance of his prayer by God, each prophet and messenger has come from his bloodlines; Ismail and Isaac. Then all of the rest up to Jesus are from Isaac blood and the only one outside this bloodline is MuhammadAbdullah who came from the time of bloodline of Ismail. MuhammadAbdullah was the only prophet that came after Jesus was lifted to heaven as well. Not all prophets are messengers, but all messengers are also prophets.

All messengers came with messages, have the core theme that there is no God deserving all worship without any partnershipbut God Almighty, alone. The process of worship is specified and localized. But that of Muhammad is universal, being the last of them. The books of revelations were given to the major Messengers; for example Torah or Old testament to Moses, Good News or New testament to Jesus and Qur'"""""an to Muhammad.

Signs of prophets is a seal on their backs; a raised flesh between the shoulder blades, but below the shoulder line and above the beginning of th lower back. They all have beard and never clean shaven. They shaved their armpit hair and their private hairs. There dreams are always 100% true and all their prayers were answered. They were handsome people and their faces are faces of kind people. they all have soft hearts. Yet they were firm at the delivery of the messages to the people. Each hada  follower(s) and a community to preach to. Each was sent to correct the ways of the waywards and strengthened the belief in One God.

Um what? Why would Noah have this outlook? When did he ever claim that no one goes to the father except through him. Noah had a covenant with God, but it was that the earth won't be flooded again. No where did it say that Noah would be the way to the father. When did Noah prophecy? Moses prophecied about the messiah, why would he think that he's the way to God. He had the laws and he believed those laws were the way to God, he didn't believe that he was the way to the Lord. The only prophecy that was told was that of the messiah "ALL THE PROPHETS" told the same story. I am so confused by this your statement. The conforter isn't a man it's a spirit. Christ said the comforter is a spirit. The spirit is not a prophet, if so then Joseph Smith would be considered the comforter too because he too is a prophet (I will talk about this later).

As I have said, Joseph Smith was also differring to Jesus, as his boss. was he not? At least he did not say that he was in the same prophetic quality as Jesus. Moreso, he did not bring any new message, nor was he leading anybody to a true Single God. At best Joseph Smith was leading people to Jesus, american style.  Please take a snapshot in time and place every prophet in that time, without previous prophet and future prophet. So if we take the time of Noah as our example, we will observe that those who followed Noah in obedience and die in that state of obedience has gone to God through Noah, alone. Not Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.

Those who disobeyed Noah were destined to hell, in their obedience to God because they did not follow Noah. Right? Afterall, no one in Noah's time will be judged by the laws given to Moses and definitely not the laws given to Jesus who came much much later. We could apply the same rule to Moses time. Afterall, Moses was reported to have spoken to God, one on One many times. Or was he talking to Jesus? It would have been a fallacy that it was jesus that he was having all those commandments from and definitely, the 10 Commandments. Afterall, he was saying that a Messiah will come in the future to the "Children of israel" and not to the whole world.  

Under Moses the children of Israel were known as nations or tribes. And jesus never preached to anyone group outside this group of people anyway. Now that the matter is centered on the phrase; the only way to the father, I will submit the following to you;

First; Jesus was the only way in his time to God.
Secondly: The idea of God being the father of Jesus will be the antithesis of many Biblical verses and all Qur'''''anic verses, because they say the opposite. Is it not true that Jesus was reported to have said that God who is Lord is his and the whole children of israel God and Lord? Please check out Mark 12 verse 29. You also have other verses that will back up this clear idea. The later people of Christianity, after the companions of Jesus exagerated the relation and position of prophet Jesus.

They are the ones who deitified him and restricted the process of salvation to him alone, without any revelation to back it up. The last prophet that came was the one that ends prophethood. From him onward to the end of time, the only way to God applies to him.  

You're right, the Jews view Jesus that way. They're still waiting on the messiah. But don't forget that it was also told that many would oppose him. They needed to do that for his crucifixion to happen. Simeon told that to Mary when she presented Jesus to the temple according to Jewish custom.

Jesus was not the only prophet and or messenger opposed. Infact all of them had oppositions. Moses was opposed by his people and for that he became a fugitive. Pharaoh opposed him and he pursued him until pharaoh himself was ruined. Noah was opposed by his people. The opposition even existed in his own family. From the ranks of his offspring and spouse.

I don't call Jesus a prophet, notice I put that into parenthesis that was to put an emphasis on your view of him as a prophet. Jesus is Lord.

And I have no disrespect for him when I call him a prophet. Thats what he was. However you exagerate his position, unless you have more than One God. That will be idol worshipping. Thats not your interest, is it? Also God is absolute. There is only One. Jesus absolutely acknowledged God's Lordship over himself and all mankind. He did not call himself as the Creator, All knowing, All powerful. Did he? Afterall, he said he did not know the hour and can not do anything of his own. I just wanna stop here about this section.

Mathew 7:15-23
15. Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves.
16. By their fruits you shall know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17. Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit.
18. A good tree cannot bear fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit.
19. Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire
20. So by their fruits you will know them.
21. Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord', will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only one who does the will of my Father in heaven
22. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophecy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?'
23. Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'

Christ didn't have to say Muha::mmad, he let us know that by their fruits we will know them. By what they produce we will know them

Alhamdulillah, we are talking turkey here. Now, are all the bad elements in the world musl""""ims? And are all those bad Mus"""""lims following the commandments in the Qur"""an and the Sunnah? NO. And finally, I see no resemblance of Muhammad and true Islam in what you have above. If I did I would have left long time ago. And I would have chased after all the skirts and dresses of the Christian women. But I am grateful to God Almighty for Islam of Mu""""hammad. Aferall, I am today a reserved fella. True Is:::::lam improves lifes.

Please show me. This could also be said of the Qu'ran.

Obvious sections; You have versions of the Bible. The catholic Bible is earlier than that of the protestant. But the protestant Bible is missing a few Books in the catholic's Duwey Bible. Isn't it. Further you have editions and revisons abounds. One will ask, where is the original. There must have been an original. That would have contained exactly what jesus said. Without any adulteration.

Now, we have Jesus saying that the scribes have corrupted the OT. So I will just concentrate on the NT. Are the letters written to the church communities from Jesus or from other people, eg Paul and Timothy? Are these statements from Jesus or at best good personal opinions and never revelations from God? What about calling Jesus God, when he himself said "My God my God why has thou forsaken me?" Or the Biblical verse which I presented earlier Mark 12 Verse 29? Please do your own research of the Bible with open and claer mind. Be objective.

So it just so happens that for centuries (I am including the Jews here) that all the prophets had it wrong. Muha::mmad just happens to have it right.

This getting it wrong has nothing to do with the prophets. It has a lot to do with what ordinary people do after the prophet left the stage of life, human stage. When Moses was alive, the Torah he had is not what the jews have now. It the Jews had been since and had not done any alteration of the Torah, they would have known about Jesus and followed him as their Messiah. But also the Christians copied the Jews when it came to Muha"""""mmad and the Qur'''an. Fpr example, you have it in your Bible that the comforter is not a human being but a spirit/holy ghost. I ask you, was not the holy ghost there according to the Bible all along? Was the word another comforter not give the idea that there is a present comforter available and later another one will come? Finally, what has the Christian gotten from the contact of the holy spirit who is to abide with them for ever?

My Comforter is here by the pure preservation of the Qu"""""ran and the provision of new information which Jesus never spoke about. For example, how i take shower to purify myself after sexual experience, is taught by Muha"""""mmad and Jesus did not teach it. What about a simple thing as just eating, sneezing, yawning, etc? There is a million, nay a billion or trillion more issues like these.

My darling sister whre are you in America. You can go to any Mosque for a copy of the Qur"""""an. If you let me know how to mail one to you, I will. Further you can google search for a free Qur''''an. Better you can email me your information and I will get you what it supposed to mean in English.

Search the google for tafsir ibn Kathir, Qur'''an. You will get it. And if you wanna talk, I will give you my number privately.

@Witness:

There is no need to use profane words or through personal insults , try and focus on the issue and not on the messenger!

I advice you to take your own advise to people. Aburo, do good to others if you are going to demand others to do like wise. lol.

@~Lady~: I don't like been chewed raw. That will be bloody. My dear, I don't know you and my contact with you is limited to here, alone. So lets leave it at that. You have your subjective opinion and I have mine. The truth lies somewhere. But the absolute truth is with God, alone.

Now the one who begged was Jesus as in the begging in prayer to God at the Garden of geshimene. The one who lamented was Jesus as his crying out in a loud voice on the cross, asking God why he was forsakened.

The three person could never be One, could it? If it is then you will see that when one dies the others will have to die as well. Yet God Almighty does not die. If God does not die, and its impossible for Him to die, then it means the others can not die, then? What do you think? You amuse me with your hot masala bravado. Yet when you see me, you will have to Kunlee (kneelling), except I am not that type of a person. I am assuming that you are a Yoruba or a Nigerian with that kinda tradition. So you see that to chew me raw is beyond your league. But lets talk about religion.

And as to my reference to human instincts vis a vis in relationship to God, I mean that God has no need for food, etc. Not the process of knowledge, wisdom etc, that you mentioned. But come to think of it, God's knowledge, wisdom, etc are absolute and no limit. While yours and mine are very limited. Jesus and other prophets, including Muhammad also had limited and not absolute qualities like God. None of the prophets had absolute qualities like God.

God in His infinite Mercy will grant us goodness. Amin. Read my entry to your inquiry in the thread you spoke about. Whats interesting about you is that you are willing to look at things, and your mind is not shotout against possible "good information." I wish you well.

@~Lady~:

AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE NOT GOD. LOOK AT YOU USING HUMAN REASONING TO EXPLAIN GOD. DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT WE CANNOT REASON LIKE HIM. I THOUGHT THE QU'RAN TAUGHT THAT.

Obviously you read the Qur''an, but you retain Zero information from it! The essence of Makkan revelation, which was 13 years was centered on a singular theme: God is One God, so He is not three in One! Doh. He does not have a son nor parents. In my book you scored Zero. You see how brainiac you are? Not.

Stop showing your illiteracy and childlike mind.

Alhamdulillah. I would not deny either accusation. They are your personal accessements of me. Fair enough. However, in all your bravados, you failed woefully because you can not even know tht your God is not anything like you. He will not lower Himself to the level of the human instinctive needs, which no one can do without.

Your Lord God will not beg, or pray or lament as in crying to any thing. He alone is the Independent One. He alone is the Reality. He alone knows the end of time. You see your shortcomings? Please lets be sincere, you do not know anything about God.

You and the Aborishas of yorubaland are equal before God, in your denial of His Lordship. {Make i hear word, i beg, woman. Okay african woman loves to be called lady. So I reluctantly call you lady, brainiac. lol}

@A_K_O; Whats childish and laughable about my repose? I did not hear your hahahaha. And I did not see your hyena icon.

@Witness: Whatever my mental age is, if I get to Ibadan, you will dobale fun mi. Except that I see the idobale as unIslamic. So I do not subscribe to it, even though it is part of my ethnic culture. Witness, ma gbadun aiye e. lol.

@Witness:

Holy Spirit abeg inspire someone to comprehend this "Blood of Jesus" thing,

because i really need to understand why if at all i must use it ,

Paddy mi, this is a better deal for you. Begging the holy spirit to understand the usage of blood, rather than complaining about this and that.

I was wondering that the response is more of SysUser than some newcomer out of Ibadon. Ara ara Isau, owun owun jakobu. Pure deceit!

You should ask the head man at the churches to get you the answer. The holy spirit may take too long. Maybe Jesus himself whose blood was shed should be the one to ask? In all of this you have left out father god! Come to think of it, the three persons can not be one person! I can't be in Boston, and in New York city and Eko/Ibadon/Ijebu Ode at the same time?



@ JeSoul

Sysuser,
  I feel for you jare. There is certainly a double standard and unfortunately it is out of our hands. Seun can do whatever he wants.

I remember you having a problem on the condition of the "Muusslims" in your Beantown. And all over the western countries. Yet am sure in your extended family, there would be Muusslims among them. Even though I disagree with how the Admin runs his operation, but that is his right. His business decision, alone. If I can't cope with it, I just will stop posting.

 

For goodness sake even the guy who threatened him with fatwa is still roaming free within nairaland, yet the Christian seem to be an easy target for banning.

Just like muusslims are around the west. Sisi me go put on Hijab. It will make you more beautiful. Prettier.

it's a strange world isn't it? I think we just have to accept some grps will enjoy special treatment vs others. and we happen to end up with the short end of the stick. just try sha and be a good boy

My lady, take that idea and translate it to every oppressed group aroud the world. No one loves to be oppressed.

 

Quote from: A_K_O on Yesterday at 10:18:14 PM
It's unfortunate that not a single person is yet able to biblically back on of the most popular practises in the church.
We are still waiting,

You should ask the pastor or preacher. Thats easier. I hope he or she does not give you a song and dance. Personal opinion. You want the meat from the Mouth of Jesus or his father or his partner the holy spirit. Anyone else tellimg you anything else, is just stomping you. You see, a thousand and one hard words to express myself. But I chose this one, because its easier to take. I don't want to be rude.

It kinda from my perspective at least, gives the same impression of 3 godhead(s), personalities, person(s) in One God. Trinity is so important and it just did not find itself in the Bible; the NT. But the stange word can be proven directly from the BIble. Maybe no one should bother about 'The blood thing.' Its a small fish compared to the Baracuda/ whopper /Whale of a tale(tail) of Trinity.

true. It is an extremely popular practice. . . it seems like no one except Tayo had any kind of answer. and Tayo, I am waiting for more . . .

Tori tie ni mo se wa sibi yi o. I just felt like amusing you. Kinda answer, is no answer. You know it and I know it. You guys are still stuck in the quicksand of pleading by a "Blood" spilled. Kuro nbeeee. Don't mind my written Yoruba. You got the idea. Yes?

Sprinkling blood all over heavens? Seven heavens? There are Angels and Angels Gabreil and Michael are there among them in heavens? Do they need the blood of Jesus, too? Tall tales like tall ships.  I think I will take the Revere bus ride around to downtown. I think I will take the trowley there. Or just continue on to Farmers Market. lol.

@Witness: From all the questions that I asked, you only saw a need to respond to just that littliest part? Omoya, thats weak. But while Jesus fulfils, from your own words, the Psalm part of the OT, is it not in the same lamentation mindset as David's in the first place? A prophet acting and immitating an earlier prophet? But the christians call David an adulterer, a murderer!

But David never went against the Old Testament laws, specifically the 10 Commandments. Did Jesus go against it, making himself another god, carry the office of equality and partnership, imagery, and soship of the True One God? Could you, considering the multiplicity of First, second, and third person godship of Christianity really have a True One God? Especially when you say that father is separate, son is separate and holy spirit is separate? And I asked, what is the proper name of the holy spirit? You avoided it like a plague!

O KARE. Gbere. Maje ki won gbo o nibadon.

@Witness and needlelady:

Quote from: Needlelady on Today at 01:43:25 AM
Holy spirit is the active force of God which is basically the operating system in every christian; My question is, are there any other form of holy spirit seen in other religions like The Great Religion, Buddhism etc? What do they call their own holy spirit or is the holy spirit solely given to only christians?

Should you not include in the list of religions, Judaism? Afterall Chrisianity was primarily an extension of it before it sheared off, away from it without any true reminant remaining or carried along. Or are you saying that in Judaism, there is Holy spirit, in the manner that the Christians have?

If holy spirit is the active force of the christian god concept, what is the role of father and son god(s)? Then why is father always the one being prayed to, in stead of holy spirit? Even the son god prayed to father god, begged father god, teached and recited/said prayer to father god, committed his spirit (as a man) to father god, asked why father god forsook him, etc. But yet he did all of this without any referrencing or acknowledgement of the holy spirit. Why?

Hello please , kindly note that the Holy Spirit is not a force, (This is not Star Wars please)

1. The bible makes it clear that the Holy Spirit is the Third Person in the Trinity
2. The bible also makes it clear the the Holy Spirit has a Name, just like Jesus Christ (The Second Person of the Trinity) has a name


Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Whats the name of the holy spirit? I need a proper name, please. Like Jesus is the proper name of your son god. Like yahweh is what you say the proper name of your father god, even though when you praise him, you never once say yahweh ya or ya Yahweh, but always say Alley lu ya! Why?

And what does third means? That the whole body system is singular or plural, more than One?

@Davidylan:

baba, are u okay?

Yeh Omo. Am Okay. Thanks. Sugbon Agba ti nde, die die. lol.

Hallelujah, Halleluyah, or Alleluia, is a transliteration of the Hebrew word הַלְלוּיָהּ (Standard Halləluya, Tiberian Halləlûyāh) meaning "[Let us] praise (הַלְּלוּ) Yah (יָהּ)."

Your Yahweh. How many Sematic hebrew alphabets in it? Are they not three; Alif, Lam and Ha? Ask a Jewish scholar before you goof. Why then you are not saying Yahweh ya or ya Yahweh is Yahweh is a proper name of Hebrew God?

Why do you have to say Hal Lel Luyah? Ya Allah and Halleluyah have the same sounding pattern/voice inflection, except the accentations of Children of Israel/Hebrews/Jews and Arabs. You have the same yah. Please fit Yahweh and Hallelu (considering both will end in the yah) in the praising overtone.

@SysUser: I thought you are at UI? Go to the department or Geology, or astrophysics, or physics, or even geogtraphy or google the planetary observatory, etc. Make your researches within some related advance science departments around the globe. You will get it, finally. Or google NASA directly.

The issue is this, the Pagan Arabs of Makka saw what you are getting so confused about. They did not deny seeing it. But the complained that they have been bewitched. So I wonder if you have any belief in you.

By the way how many god(s) created the world and all creations, or that spoke to Adam, or that lead Noah out of the flood, or that was the Lord of Abraham, or Ischmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and his brothers, how many that appeared to Moses and helped him defeat Pharaoh and his people, how many that protected the Children of Israel, and how many is the God of Jesus, from his Mark 12 Verse 29?

You will see that there is no God but Just One Lord the God of all things: YaaAllahu. Haleilluyaa. All::::ah always in the Bible.

@Davidylan; Forget 4Him for the moment. Mo ma pe ee ni oruko e ti mo fe ron.

If Moses overcame the army of Pharaoh by "extreme terror" why were they running away from the pursuing army that eventually drowned in the red sea by the mighty arm of the Lord?

You sound very confused.

How am I showing confusion? Is it true that there were several plagues that floored and humiliated the people of Egypt and Pharaoh, which eventually resulted to him yielding to the demand of Moses to emmigrate with his people? Were not the Egyptians hit with lost of crops, afflicted with flies, locust, frogs, etc? Was it not there water that turned red and was blood? Didn't Pharaoh begged Moses to take off the afflictions from the land because he was terrified for his people at least? Where did he feel the terror; afterall Moses never hit him even one time. Could the terror/ or pressure not so great on Pharaoh that finally when the last one of Moses action resulted in the death of every first born, including that of Pharaoh that he crumbled and let them leave out of Egypt?

Ask your Pastor, the reason that Pharaoh pursued the Children of Israel was that he shook off the sorrow of losing his child, a first son that he wanted the people back under his bondage or authority. But what happened at the sea? The children of Israel crossed to safety. The Egyptian army drowned! That is victory of Moses by terror over the Egyptian army and definitely Pharaoh was humiliated!

If I follow the opinion of the Bible that Pharaoh did not die, I will conclude that he returned to his palace dejected, defeated and weakened without a standing army to fight against any serious challenging dynasty next door! Maybe that the reason Egypt after that became easy picking for the Greeks, etc.

However the story in the Qur'''''an is pretty easy to accept. Pharaoh drowned. And as a result Moses was victorious with terror over Pharaoh and his army. Moses had a real victory and new found vigor to route the future enemies, while the remnant of Egypt after this event was easy picking for contending kingdom near by, eg, Greek!

@4Him: The ahadith that you do not understand is very straight forward to me. "Made victorious by terror" which is coming from Allahu Taala means just that. How the terror will occur, only He alone knows. It brings to mind though, of the view points held by the Children of Israel about Moses and Aaron. Though Aaron was a prophet and older than Moses, they people did not fear him as much as they feared his younger brother Moses.

God made Moses a more imposing personality by first raising him in royal household of Pharaoh. Then He gave him all the physical, mental and spiritual strength and even made the ordinary stick in his a thing of wonder. Am very sure that Moses was made victorious over the Egyptians of tyrannical Pharaoh by extreme TERROR. Afterall the military apparatus under Pharaoh collapsed under Moses stick. The children of Israel feared Moses so much that he forced them to drink a "powdered brew" of their god which they made while he was receiving the 10 Commandments. But even his voice was a terror in their hearts.

You see what is meant by being made victorious by terror? Then go into the history of mankind, the infractions of Mus, lims, even though a single infraction is one too many, but it is very pale to what the Jews or Christians have done. You see I am not even going to touch how terrifying it is that a man can force another man to drink gold liquid! Imagine what they fea the alternative to be, if they did not drink this liquid product of the golden calf?

@May Kelly: Your Bible verses referred to "Children ofIsrael" alone. A direct set of proofs that Jesus was sent to his people so named, and no others! You are a Nigerian woman. I do not see how you can claim that he was sent to you in Igboland or enywhere outside that Jewish outpost. So your woes are actually directed to the wrong people. Better direct them to the Zionists all over, but those in the state of Israel without any doubt.

I think most of you, the Michael Jackson haters are post "Thriller" record from MJJ. And he was already getting tired of real musical production in Thriller. To appreciate him, you got to go back to Off the Wallrecord and before. Like his earlier days; ABC's and others. I am noiw talking about the days of Jackson 5.

I am grateful to Al>>>lah tabaraka wa tahaala, who has allowed the light of Is<<<<lam to enter the heart of MJJ. I think Christianity and Christians do not appreciate and believe that their is a possibility for guidance and people can be guided.

'Madame SU' Nwando, you should know better that you can not have combination of man and alien in one body. Sorry. I forgot, you guys believe in Mammy water and Mermaid! Daalu. Ndo. Do. lol.

And the girls who were stoned to death, if they were married deserved it, as long as they agreed with the verdict, which there were sufficient witnesses against them. And if the men were spared, while they were married then that was injustice. But a man who is not married needed to be given 100 lashes and banished from the community for a period of one year. That is Islam. Anything else, thats on the specific community.

Aburo, call me what you will. Ora ni ko si lara eron. There some issues I avoid like an ope heart surgery. lol. It is you who should tell us, that is if you are 100% certain that there would not be a future version, revision and edition of any Bible.

And how is she? I wish her well.

@Sun, : Jesus is not a personality that you can poke fun at. He is my prophet and I have a great and true love for him (AS).

@4Him:

Your penchant for lying is unrivalled. Christ left this earth physically 2000yrs ago.
The books of the old testament were written BEFORE Christ came on earth as the gospels record instances where Christ quoted or made references from the books of Isaiah, Psalms, Jonah and Genesis.

If the bible was written thousands of years after Christ left the earth then it means Matthew, Mark, Luke, Peter must have lived for thousands of years . . . besides that would mean that the bible was just written in our time.
Which is false because the dead sea scrolls, centuries old, contain some books of the bible.

Yet the final Bible is still being written as we speak. Am very certain there is a newer versions, editions and revisions in the future of the BIBILE!

@Olrotimi: Your cross is kida crooked, bent. Its like an oink!

@Matured: Please tell me, were there any Goat or Bull offerings as a ransome/salvation for those people saved in the Ark of Noah, versus lack of any in the case of those who perished in the flood?

Were there any Goat or Bull offerings as ransome/Salvation for those few who were saved from the Brimstone destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Afterall, you Christians always claimed that it was Jesus that stand in the place of your Goat and Bull sacrifices. You dig now, my brother?