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@Imhotep:

@olabowale
Your agitated style of writing betrays the spiritual turmoil of a man that hates Christ. Anger, fear and agression shall be your lot if you do not change. These are the path to the dark side.

Being a christian goes beyond meeting vatican officials and showing up at church services. Muhammad knew this, and added the Injil to the koran. Even though he modified it as he saw fit.

Christ is a person with a personality. Christianity is about a RELATIONSHIP with Christ. Not rituals or ablutions or jihads!!!

For sure I do not have Christ, Jesus son of Virgin Mary (as). For indeed, you can not be a muslim, unless you accept all Prophets/Mseesngers of God! And Jesus was no less, except that he was a honored Prophet/Messenger, of God to his nations; The 12 nations of the Children of Israel! My blood is inIslam, for hundreds of years, generation after another, you are now telling me about going to the dark side? It is this same reason, I never listen to all the SU young people, in the days. I do not want to be in the dark side, hence I stay away from Christianity!

Injil culled from the Bible into the Qur'an? Thats new! The Christians of NL will say anything and do anything just that they could feel that they are responding to the the Muslims. Show me where the word Trinity appears in your Bible? Show me where Qur'an arees with your three heads of god(s)? Show me cruxifixion, ressurrection, salvation Christian style? Show me the writings of the apostles, Paul the next generation, and the epistles? Do you have them in the Qur'an? Don't be silly in your eagerness to be negative. Instead you are coming across as being completely dishonest!

Since there is no ritualistic cleanliness in Christianity, no wonder you take the Bathroom along with you! People stink if they don't clean up properly, you know! +Osisi, please conduct a lecture on basic hygiene for your brothers/sisters in Christianity. At least, in medicine, it is mandatory to wash up!

@Chikibaybi:

Matthew 3: 16-17.
As soon as Jesus was baptised,He came up out of the water. Then heaven was opened to Him, and he saw the spirit of God coming down like a dove and alighting on Him. Then a voice said from heaven, "This is my own dear Son, with whom I am pleased"

Please what other proof do you need

Chikibaybi, the above statement, if you are a Jew would you buy it, especially knowing fully well that the elders of Israel, in the days of Moses, begged Moses not to let God speak to them directly? Hence they asked that Moses continued to speak to God and he in turn relate it to them and thy will follow Moses instructions, completely. This is so because they said that they will die, if they heard the voice of God, directly!

How many people saw this opening up of heaven, considering that Jesus was only 13 years old when he was Bermisvah? Ordinary people saw this opening up of heaven, saw the dove like spirit desended and heard the voice of a father speaking in heaven, yet there were no report of deads among them? Were they all prophets and saints? Whatever became this dovelike spirit? It just flew about to whereever, or flew back to heaven or somebody trapped it? Do you know or you do not know anything about its whereabout? Nothing else came down or seen when the heaven opened up like a gate/door?

My sister, in Matt 1 Verse 20, we learn that the Angel of the Lord, (see Jesus was never Lord, because there always a true Lord) appeared to Joseph in his dream, to tell him that Mary's pregnancy is by 'Holy spirit!' So if it is the holy spirit that got mary pregnant in the first place, if there was any voice at all from heaven (very doubtful, but I will play along for the hunt to kill), should it not be that of the holy spirit, confirming that Jesus is indeed his son? And it should not be god the father's voice that we shoud hear? If Joseph fell for Matt 1;20 statement and therefore, he did not raise any objection, now that Jesus is being baptisted, and a different father appeared don't you see that Joseph was deceived?

Or truly, none of this did not happen! How can the Angel of the Lord came to tell Joseph something about Holyspirit, and all of a sudden, just under 14 years afterwards, a different claims emerged. Who is responsible for these complex web of confusion and deceit: Father, spirit or Angel?  I guess the writers of the Bible, calling Almighty father, instead of Creator. Calling a human prophet son of god, just because there is a different trend in which he was created, not considering the creations of Adam, Eve and their children: Jesus should have been called a creation as well. Calling an Angel god the holy spirit, even though it is a spiritual being, but not more than a messenger: Gabreil!

You asked what other proof that is needed? But you have not provided any tangible proof. You need to go back to the drawing board, and get a diffrent BOOK, so that you get a grip on reality!

@Kingsikaz:

@ Olabowale
       
        all your posts are always irrelevant.

        try 2 say something reasonable. what does aldolf hiltler got to do with jesus being God's son or not.

Was Adolf Hitler not covered under the beliefing of Jesus being son of god, 1/3 god, cruxifixion, ressurrection, etc? There is history of him going to Church and meeting with the leadership of the Christians inPrussia or Vaderland/Reichland. If all you need is to believe the situation of Jesus, then he Hitler qualified to be under the salvation, exactly how you lay it out in the Bible! Do you know or not? Is Hitler going to be covered or not, unless there is no true coverage for anyone, except that one is responsible for his/het own destination. Thats your problem, my Kingsikaz! Jesus covered no one except himself. You can beat other drums now, but it just will not do it, with God Almighty, the One WHO CONTROLs all things.

@imhotep: The Muslims are not Jews. Get a grip, mister. Only Islam stands between you and New World Order, whereby all your freedom will be reduced, layer after layer. You have a lot to learn, yet about reality.

@Kingsikaz;

Jesus is not a slave- he's the SON OF GOD with biblical lines you guys quote.

Your God killed His son (God son, son of God, God the son, 1/3 god, whatever), only to want to save his creations! What a sacrifice on one hand for the son who lost his life and what a ransome on the other hand for the creations who are saved!

Now, tell me, this sacrifice will ransome all the Christians who believe in it, saving them from that certain destination, the lake of fire/hell fire? Can any who believed in be in hell? What is the fate of Adolph Hitler and Mussollinni, to just name a few of the Christians, who are already dead? If any ends up in fire, then the death was absolutely invain!

STOP DECEIVING YA SELF, MAN.

@Cgift:

Olabowale,
You really amaze me. Your case is like that of a man and his child. The man knows the keys to his safe box in his house to get a document. His son wakes up one morning and says he is going to find take that document by force without knowing the code. Is that not an exercise in futility? We Christains on this forum look at you and read your comments and just smile/laugh knowing fully well that you can't understand except you have been chosen by Yahweh to understand and He opens up your spiritual eyes. That is my prayer for you anyway. Allah is not the Almighty Yahweh. Allah was in existence before Mohammad.

I bet you do not know what the call 'Jaws of life!' The child got it. Or the door rammer, of the cop, or a winch attached to a Hummer! In using any of these above and even a simple mechanised steel/metal cutter with diamond head/tongue/teeth, the safe is a gonna! Thanks, for your prayer for yourself! I do not need the prayer of a multiple godhead worshipper; one god head of father, the second god head for son and the third godhead for holyghost! darn Keferi!

On the other hand, if you want me to refer you to where Jesus himself said that His words are enigmatic, see them below in his very own words and not Paul's.
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. ~ that His disciples wont be able to understand them even if He tells them. You too, if perhaps God in His lovingkindness chooses to reveal Himself to you through Christ, then He will bring your mind up to speed in Understanding these things.

Yet, Jesus finds his disciples (companions) deficient. But you a Yoruba man, who came almost 200 years after this infamous sentence, have greater believe in Jesus than them! So it will mean one thing though: that paul, who came after Jesus left, just had a bit of better understanding of Jesus than Jesus apostles. Then the knowledged increased from there on. It is as if you are saying that every generation knows more about Jesus than the preceeding generation before it! It tells me that the least knowledgeable is the Aspstles and you are definitely more knowledgeable than Paul, who is even more knowledgeable than them. Further, in the future, the generations to come will be more knowledgeable than you and the greatest of knowledge will be found in the generation that the earth/mankind will end on!

If this is so, Cgift, I ask you how do you explain Mark 12:29, versus how those who were with Jesus explained it? I will not test you on the people of the future. I pray that the Muslims of their time, in the future will put them through the grinder. Just one thing; Can you tell us what Jesus was going to say, but did not say it anyway (referring to John 16 verse 12)? What impact would it have had on the Christians if he had said it? Is there any deficiency in Christianity, since he did not say it? Or Jesus saying did not matter much, since Paul absorbed you of everything and took the ministry of jesus to a new height, a different direction, to others who were not supposed to be part of it? Talk to me Cgift!

Mr 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; ~ I want to believe this is very clear. Jesus knew that most would hear and not understand. It is a mystery. Jesus himself affirmed it. so please, just leave it the way it is and only pray to "Allah" perhaps if he can hear that he opens your mind to understand these things we are saying. Or better still to the God the Christains pray unto. I am sure He will hear you. Yes. Just pray this prayer : Oh you God of the Jesus Christ wom the christians call unto, if you are really there and what these christains say you are, reveal yourself to me in a way I wont be able to refute.

Nice try, Cgift. Jesus was talking to his companions/apostles! He was talking to you Christians. Not to us, the Muslims! That is not his place to tell the believers of his own God! Afterall he did not address Zachariah and his son Yahya, in any condescending manner! Jesus was talking about you who will see that there is One God, yet you choose to associate gods with God. He was talking about you who will hear words of calling to guidance, yet you refused to bulge!

Point of note, Paul only expounded based on the grace Jesus Christ gave him. He did not come to destroy the law or teachings of Christ. He only expounded on the teachings of Christ.

And while at it the dietary law was abrogated, and replaced by 'all you can eat!' While at it graven image was permitted, like the cross, cruxifix, etc. And while at it the idea of trinity was gathered to undermine, the first few commandments and yet, the word trinity was not goodenough to enter the pages of the Bible! What a load of crock!

@Pahtahkee:

What exactly is this Islam of yours? I remember you once stating that: You are a Muslim but you are not in Islam. Are you not confused?

You sound like that dude, the Orishi (orisi) rishi (risi) you, called Mr pataki! Nonetheless, if you can find anywhere that i said an not in Islam, bring it out! I clearly said that I am not ISLAM! See?

Since when did you become a judge and accuser of men? What constitutes an Islamic action? Not seeking and wanting to know the truth? Waiting for your Alfas to beginning their cursing spree early in the morning in the name of prayers? Or is as the quran states: Kill the infidels, that is to you Islamic action?
What greater punishment exist for hypocrite than Jews, Christians, when we all know Mo died with cursing Christians as the last throw of his saliva into the environment?

I am not an acuser and judge of anyone. However the action of a man tell us in Islam where his heart lies. If it does apply to your Christian thinking, change religion, you have been insincere all along! The truth is what or rather which: Mark 12 verse 29 or three godheads? The word infidel(s), is not an arabic word! You were at the death bed of the holy prophet (as)? Was there any Christian or Jew there? Look he was not in pain, hence to say that he was cursing Jews, who were cursed from the mouths of King Prophet David ad Prother Jesus (as Jami'a), to name just a few and the christians, if the apostles were considered Christians, were derided by Jesus to have the littliest of understand, (John 16:12), derided as blind (Mr. 4:12), and in other places where they ask him for a sign of his prophethood, he derided them of having littliest of faith! Are these statement of praises? I am not surprised that Paul able to put a choke hold on the companions/apostles, and later the later generations, in successions eat the lies up. You are eating it up now, and in the future, the future generations will eat it all up the same way.

There is one only one true and living God! The one who makes the heaven is throne and the earth his footstool. The Mighty and loving God, the One who heals from our infirmities, the Everlasting Father! Him alone is God and no other!

You lied when you said 'father!'

@Princezza;

It's not really nething. Atheists have no proof to suppport their so called theory that there is no God or supreme being or whatever. Look at the WORLD c'mon it's just too complicated that evrthing what happen by coincidence it doesn't make sense. Maybe you should grab the BIBLE and try reading some of it. It all adds up there's even evidence that it's not a bunch of crap!

Better yet, grab the Qur'an. If you grab the Bible as you said, which part will support your statement? What you will find is that in the Old testament, there is the textual evidence that God exist and He is One God. But it is not clear that it is a universal God, inclusive of every creations. It seems as if this God is restricted to being the God of the Tribes of the Children of Israel alone, leaving the rest of mankind, godless, even though we are obviously created by this CREATOR! If you go to the New Testament, apart from the fact that it puts forward an idea of multiple head of gods, which is completely opposite to the theme of the Old testament (why having them together as a book; the Jews believe only in the Old and the Christians believe in parts of the Old, whatever of it they can massage their position with, and disagreeing with the rest, but additionally believe in the New Testament, which has opposing views within itself: Mark 12: 29 speaks about One GOD who is also LORD, while idea is developed about about a word that does not exist in its content!), it takes away the clear ownership of God, which you will see in the Old testament, about Judgement day, salvation and the means of it, and transfers it on to Jesus, without given direct evidence to support it, excepct you shoild believe it Blindly without questioning its source and thereby, the Christians cancelled out altogether, many of the commandments in the Tablets given to Moses (AS)! By postulating Multiple God/Lord; The Christians cancelled at least 1-3 commmandments. By not making circumcision essential to being Christians, the Covenant between God and His servant Ibrahiim was broken forever, and further the laws concerning diet/food intake, especially as it relates to what flesh is allowed and what is forbidden, was disregarded, to nothingness, though Jesus was circumcised, declared that his God and Lord is One, the same as the Children of Israel, and never ate pork. And he never developed a religion, or advocate anyone to do so after him, and was not a builder of Churches!

So therefore, you need to read about True Singly Giod, from the pages of Qur'an!

There's a slip in that line. Christians are not atheists, and to lean to the idea that they could be considered such is simply to ignore the core issue in the question - the existence of god(s). Not for one moment does the Bible deny the existence of 'gods', and any Christian who takes the Bible seriously knows that fact. The difference is in which 'god' they believe in: "For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth -- as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords" -- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist." (I Cor. 8:5-6). Others may believe in other 'gods' (such as Zeus or Odin), but Christians believe in a different God as indicated in the verses above.

The (ICor.9:5-6) will contracdict Mark 12:29. The former speaks about God as father, but Lord as Jesus, two distinctive entities. Then the later speaks about God and Lord being the same entity. But the speaker in this later material, Mark 12Verse 29, is Jesus himself, declaring that he himself has the same GOD and LORD as his listening audience, the Children of Israel. But the speaker in the former material, 1 Cor. 9 Verses 5 and 6 was not Jesus. This is the speaker who proclaimed Jesus as the Lord, thereby disagreeing with him, in this 'Lord classification and entity identification,' but agreeing with him, in the 'God classification and identity identification.'

My question therefore to the Christians are two folds, which speaker should we believe, if one of them should be believed? Is there a possibility that both of them could be right at the same time, on the same subject of God and Lord, while partially disagreeing with each others and also partially agreeing with each other? Can both of the speakers be wrong at the same time?

To the athiests, am not one of you: The mere fact that you argue that God does not exist, is a direct proof that God does exist! If His existence does not exist and agreeable to your 'conscious part,' which is the source of your 'conscience,' you will have HIM written up in your source of materials, which you use to argue against HIS existence.

Let me give you an example: There is no TRINITY in the Bible, hence the argument for it does not make sense, from the Bible! So there is an idea developed, which the CHRISTIANs attached to TRINITY, trying desperately to give legitimacy to Trinity thereby. But you can not define a word that you are not even familiar with, in the first place. You can write a book/novel or present a material, on something you the presenter/writer does not know exist, because in your presented material to give definition to whatever you are trying to define, that thing was not written down in your presentation. If you are giving a speech to describe me: you never mentioned my name, no one will ever know that you are talking about me, unless I can be seen fitting your description!

In the case of TRINITY, the word never exist in the PAGES of the BIBLE! How could the 'Inspired writers,' have missed such an important 'word,' the center of what CHRISTIANITY stands for? How could anyone have known about the Jesus of the Bible, except that he existed, by name. In the Old Testament where there Christians try to onnect him, you rad and hear the Jes and the Muslims disareeing very firmly against such a claim! The reason is simply that the Christianswere just drawing up unsubstantiated conclusions. The samething can be argued against Trinity: the idea for it is really unsubstantiated.

By the way, I am a Muslim: In Qur'an the evidence of ONE GOD/LORD the CREATOR abounds! The evidence against TRINITY (more than ONE GOD/LORD, multiple gods (God and then something else Lord, as evidence in the above 1 Cor.)), abounds! Trinity as a word is writing to iconoclastically disprove it, while it is not written in the Bible to present it as a word that even exist, let alone develop an idea about it, before it is evidentially supported by reasonable proofs!

@KAG: You have not reasonable explanation for anything, it shows! You truly have no answer, by your evasiveness! I want to use you as evidence of God, therefore I want you to negate your own existence? I Propose that KAG, does not Exist! Provide prove(s) for or against my hypothesis; Proposal!

Don't just sit there, act on it! You have just met your MATCH, InshaAllah, Mr. Disbeliever in EXISTENCE of any force that acted on that matter/particle at the very initial time, before everything else began to happen and continues, till this day! When will the activities going to stop; sometime or never?

@holythug:

olabowale may God help u

I remember talking to you in less than three weeks ago. I remember that you said that you are a Muslim. Now which God are you seeking (its) aid/help for me; Christian God or Muslim God (Allah)? As they say in Ijebu land: Igi eleera lo ma yo ra e ni nu ino!You act like a none Muslim, and you claim that you are a Muslim! It may be that you are a Muslim, but your action is unIslamic. We call people like you Munaffiqiin! There is greater punishment for hypocrite than disbelievers, Jews, Christians etc.

If you are a Muslim, you have not displayed Islam in you. If you are not a Muslim, my guess was right in the first place.

@Obanikoro2:

My dear olabowale, you are asking us to prove the Trinity the same way I'm asking you to prove PAIN.
Can you see the AIR or WIND? You feel it don't you? Prove to me that what you feel is WIND!
oh! You can see it blow trees and your shirts right?
My dear, that's how the Trinity works in us too!!!

It works so well, that the Bible did not mention it. No even on any page! At least pain is written in books discussing sensations/feeling. At least wind/air is written in books discussing energy transfers, eg sound, heat (temperature differences).

@KAG: Proof to me that there is no Mover! See, I did not say movers, which is what more than 1 will be denoted by! I call my MOVER GOD! Do you believe there is any mover, or you do not? If you do not, don't just through a statement around. Please present your argument.

@Inhotep:

God cannot die. So He took the form of a mortal man, and died AS MAN. Death could also not hold this Man, because He is God

You forgot tot address the part of stage acting and the killers are truly believers and should be hailed as such, eg Judas Iscariot! What do you say to what Bab 787 brought forward?

All you did, is to choose what made you feel good! True to your religious form, the feel good religion, never wanting to face reality.

My dear +Osisi, what do you say to that? Please I want full blown answer. No one liner will do here! The Gauntlet is thrown, you gotta walk it!

And some of them are in Motel 6 room, etc!

@way4real:

NB: i just called my friend shes a muslim (anyway enjoyment muslim) and she didnt find it funny, i will keep her rxn because its personal to her.[/qoute] From your tone, and I do not know what you really mean "anyway enjoyment muslim," it seems that your Christianity is lukewarm at best! +Osisi, didn't you quote a verse about yoking with unbelivers, the 'Muslims?' See what your brother in Christianity is doing!

Finally, if I were to talk to your 'anyway enjoyment Muslim' woman, I will remember her to be mindful of her Creator! To comingle a Keferi is a great sin, especially when you as a woman is not married to him. Marrying a Keferi, which you are away4real, is bad enough, but relationship out of marriage is a double wammy!

@+Osisi:

I wonder

lol/rofl. I finally got the lingo of the hip people/the generation next?!  So sisi, you kept me waiting last night, how dare you? Thats my nigerian man coming up! Let me talk to your brother, away4real!

@ Wale you really are a nutcase, so the versions are different keys (ref to misical key notes  ) of the Koran. Your piece on ogbono and pounded yam is just dam lame, in addittion the Hafsat woman stroy is just pathetic reminds me of tales by moon light.

If I did not know you are not from my family, I would have thought that you are my big brother. Thats just going by the 'wale,' you called me! I see you tend to be so familiar with me. But I do not want us to be this familiar. I am at arm length from you. But did not get it, my drift that it, since I did not put 3 heads for 1 head, you see? The rest of your thought is puff!

Point is simple  the more u try and cloud it the clearer it is. You have stated that there are different keys,tones, ascent of the Koran. Since its not one, its a version another ascent, another key. Geezz what wont i read on naira land.

Big time liar you are: Segun, Shegun, is pronounced the same way. So is favor favour, flavor or flavour, color or colour, (Suprisingly, schedule is pronounced differently in North America from the Brits (The Colonisers). My great grandmother knew how to pronounce Segun/Shegun. She did not know how to read it, or to write it (ra)! However, you can say the same about your Bible? If you can tell me in what language you will demostrate it, then get ready, because InshaAllah, I will be in Nigeria, in March. And I will wager 1 Million USD, cash or in any form of payment that you want it. I will put it on the table, and let you go for it. But I have to warn you, no 419 gimmick, because I will defend my treasury, hard!

But me, a Muslim, will read the Qur'an, in Arabia, the language in which it is revealed. Now what language is your Bible, revealed in again? Thats what I thought, you have never seen it in that language! You have been taken in, by KJV!

The fact that i don't have to learn Hebrew, Greek or whatever and that the life transforming power of the bible is not tied to a language of men actually tells much of the authenticity. No matter how hard men try to distort the message, the bible has only become clearer, its all about the spirit, which the Koran offers little about.

Go ask the Buhdists, Taoists, Shintoists and Hinduists, etc, will say the same thing you have said about 'life transforming power!' The unfortunate thing is that you do not realise that regardless of how you slice it, the ultimate success is on the day of Judgement. But you will know your position, when at the point of death, your reality sets in. But it will be too late.

Alternatively on the christain end we are glad of the many translations and versions, it makes it clearer. I was once told by a learned lady that every reported speech is distorted, that the only reported book in human history that is yet distorted is the bible, don't you know its the best selling book of all time.

Since a complete fool is born around the clock, and others in different degree are born in shorter time span, every day, it is no wonder you have a single book with so many versions in the same language, selling like hot cakes to the gullibles! I wonder if I can talk The old man Chinua Achebe to allow many versions of his master piece in English, so that he can get more royalty!

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On a lighter note, i have a friend named hafsat, i will start calling her mohammeds wife, am sure she will kill me.

Believe me if she is a Muslim and understands that you have honored her, your death will be from another hand, and not from her! But when your death truly comes, there is no way to escape it or delay it for a moment!

@Osisi: Iam in a good mood. Am laughing at his temperament.

@+Osisi:

I wonder

lol/rofl. I finally got the lingo of the hip people/the generation next?!  So sisi, you kept me waiting last night, how dare you? Thats my nigerian man coming up! Let me talk to your brother, away4real!

@ Wale you really are a nutcase, so the versions are different keys (ref to misical key notes  ) of the Koran. Your piece on ogbono and pounded yam is just dam lame, in addittion the Hafsat woman stroy is just pathetic reminds me of tales by moon light.

If I did not know you are not from my family, I would have thought that you are my big brother. Thats just going by the 'wale,' you called me! I see you tend to be so familiar with me. But I do not want it to be too familiar. I am at arm length from you. But did not get it, my drift that it, since I did not put 3 heads for 1 head, you see. The rest of your thought is puff!

Point is simple  the more u try and cloud it the clearer it is. You have stated that there are different keys,tones, ascent of the Koran. Since its not one, its a version another ascent, another key. Geezz what wont i read on naira land.

Big time liar you are: Segun, Shegun, is pronounced the same way. My great grandmother knew how to pronounce it. She did not know how to read it, now to write it (ra)! However, you can say the same about your Bible? If you can tell me in what language and get ready, to demostrate your ability because InshaAllah, I will be in Nigeria, in March. And I will wager 1 Million USD, cash or in any form of payment that you want it. I will put it on the table, and let you go for it. But I have to warn you, no 419 gimmick, because I will defend my treasury, hard!

But me, a Muslim, will read the Qur'an, in Arabia, the language in which it is revealed. Now what language is your Bible, revealed again? Thats what I thought, you have never seen it in that language! You have been taken in, by KJV!

The fact that i don't have to learn Hebrew, Greek or whatever and that the life transforming power of the bible is not tied to a language of men actually tells much of the authenticity. No matter how hard men try to distort the message, the bible has only become clearer, its all about the spirit, which the Koran offers little about.

Go ask the Buhdists, Taoists, Shintoists and Hinduists, etc, will say the same thing you have said about 'life transforming power!' The unfortunate thing is that you do not realise that regardless of how you slice it, he ultimate success is in the day of Judgement. But you will know your position, when at the point of death, your reality sets in. But it will be too late.

Alternatively on the christain end we are glad of the many translations and versions, it makes it clearer. I was once told by a learned lady that every reported speech is distorted, that the only reported book in human history that is yet distorted is the bible, don't you know its the best selling book of all time.

Since a complete fool is born around the clock, and others in different degree are born in shorter time span, every day, it is no wonder you have a single book with so many versions in the same language, selling like hot cakes to the gullibles! I wonder if I can talk The old man Chinua Achebe to allow many versions of his master piece in English, so that he can get more royalty!

[[quote]On a lighter note, i have a friend named hafsat, i will start calling her mohammeds wife, am sure she will kill me.

Believe me if she is a Muslim and understands that you have honored her, your death will be from another hand, and not from her! But when your death truly comes, there is no way to escape it or delay it for a moment!

@Osisi: Don't worry about what away4real said. Am in a cheery mood. Am laugh at his temperament!

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@Dawid:

your violence thinly disguised as the "wrath of allah"?  

If you are looking for blasphemy please look no further than blabs787 and olabowale . . . oops they are muslims so you don't regard their outbursts as blasphemous. Why am i surprised . . . simply perpetuating the culture of deciet.

You can cry about the "day of reckoning" from now till tomorrow . . . i am not moved.

The same way the people of Noah were not moved! However the regret was unparallel, up to that time. They perished, in a way that was never was seen up to that time. But no body had threatened you with violence. Afterall, Rochester is far away from where he lives! Its not around the bend, from your pad! So, when you are reminded of the punishment of your Lord for association and claims that God is three entities and that He has a son. If I stop on these premises alone, you have lost. Pointing out to you, further that you lied on Jesus as claiming to be god and commanded you to worship him, the holy ghost (Angel), with false claims that Jesus died on the cross, ressurrected, etc, are just elements, to buzz you to the reality of your fallacy. Maybe, just maybe, you can find your way back out of the maze of the greatest confusion of presenting God the Almighty as 3 heads in 1! It is so sad.

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somebody tell your neighbor "moses is dead". . .

It is true that Moses (AS) is dead. Yet he had singly, by God, impacted the Children of Israel more than any other prophets from them! But when one pen down your fallacy of 3 godheads, son of godhead, cruxifixion, ressurrection and salvation, you get bent out of shape! See how disingenuous you really are? Its easy on the other foot, except in your foot, its all lead, it weights you down, very hard.

+Osisi: Here I am. lol and rofl. You kept me waiting all night yestersday, I just got tired of your nigerian woman gimmick: Hurry up and wait style! (Disclaimer: I love Nigerian women, Okay!).

It stand for that and the acutremens which goes with it. When you lie, like the Aborishas of Yorubaland, some group aught to be able to stand up with the truth and put you and your fallacy in your place: Defend it or quit talking about it!

And the Qur'an have stood on this singly theme ad continues to gainstrength. How long will it stand before it falls? Never! The SUPPORT is none but THE MOST BENEFICIENT, MOST MERCIFUL!

@JeSoul:

and if this were true, so what? whether it mentions it one billion times more than love, the message of the whole bible, when taken as a whole book, still stands strong.
The bible talks about hundreds of subjects, you take the bible as a whole book, the one singular message is that God tremendously loves this world, and sent Jesus to die for us. And if you don't accept Jesus, you will perish in His terrible wrath.
The Lord is a God of love as well as one of justice. He is also to be feared, to be revered.

So what you boldly asked? My sister, don't be silly. This is about your Soul, which you seem to no to seriously care about. To say the Bible still stands strong, begs the sincerity of the questions asked? What is it that the Bible stands strong against? Stands strong compared to what? Which Bible are we talking about here? KJV ? And what happened to the standing or the swaggering of the Bible(s) before it? They are also standing or falling? What happened to the Douwy that the Grand daddy of the Protestants, the catholic uses? That One is standing strong, too? Get a grip on reality and get of the fairy tale train Express.

The Central theme of religion, is who is deserved to be worship; The Bible fails in that. One one hand it says God is One, Check out Mark 12 Verse 29 and Deut. 6 Verse 4. Then on the other hand the New Testament opposes itsself and the Old Testament, by presenting ideas, conjectures, inuendos, yet never having the WORD, "TRINITY." ever written anywhere! This is what you call strong and a singly themed Book? Dear sister, the same way you can not justify the position of Jesus, except by BLIND FAITH, is what is leading you to be postulating that if one rejects the multiple heads god you are trying to make us ingest, we will perish in terrible wrath! Which of the godheads is going to inact this; the son god, or the passive holy ghost! Go think about it! Every time you associate something with God, eg your usurping Gods responsibility to Jesus, is as if you are an Idol worshipper! You might as well have a structure, or object of worship in front of you!

We in Islam say, There is no god except The God. He is the ONLY OBJECT of OUR WORSHIP. We negate everything else.

@Obanikoro2

@olabowale & samsonola
By the tone of your replies I assume both of you are not Christians (correct me if I'm wrong).
To us (Christians) Jesus is the Son of God (the Father) and hence He is God!
The fact, truth and reality of the Holy Trinity further strengthens the above statement.
And Jesus is the only Way to God the Father; that's why we pray in His name so that
He can present our requests and prayers to God for answering. Jesus is God!

If you need more clarification, just notify by your next reply and I believe we will be able to
explain further, outside this thread, as it is obvious that this thread is dedicated specially for prayers. Thanks!

Obanikoro2, you must have been asleep through out the whole episode, and now you just woke up to know that thre are some Muslims in your mist. I get it. But to the Christians, wasn't Joseph, the 'future husband,' of Mary told that Mary's pregnancy was by the Holy Spirit? Why not the Christian say the father of Jesus, since you have to attach 'father,' to his birth, since all you understand is that creation process is limited (father and mother), is Holy Spirit? Why shifting the the fatherhood, to God? Since the three of them are inseparable, and always one, I guess then that Jesus participated in his own making, as in the pregnancy or impregnating of Mary?

Unfortunately, you do not have Trinity in your Book, so I don't know how you can define it to the point that you developed an idea around. Take for example, if Lagos was not a word that is know, how can one define it a name of a city and develop an idea about its area, boundry, and the location, inclusive of its importance, then before Abuja and now that Abuja is the federal capital? Am talking to a friend, a woman, a wife of a Baptist pastor in NYC. and as I seek her opinion about a word that is not know, but an idea is being developed around it, she said it will be difficult to accept the process, because there is not 'center theme' for the idea. I simply asked her if somebody were to write a novel about me, and not once my name, Olabowale appears in it, she said how would anyone know its me, or how can that novel define Olabowale, a concept that was not known from the Book, because it did not appear in it, as a word?

Of course, I did not tell her that I was challenging TRINITY as a word or an idea developed about it, from the Bible. One present, the idea, and the other not present, TRINITY!

When you set up Jesus between you and your God, the Creator, you are not sincerely better than the Songo (Sango, Shango, or Shongo) worshippers. Except you did not have a carving infront of you, but in your heart.

@Dafidixone:

Jesus said Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing.

So is applicable to olabowale.

I wonder who holds the absolute authority here: Jesus or the One he is supplicating to? I worship theOne who Jesus is supplicating to. Except that He is father to no one, but God and Lord and Creator of everyone, include the slave/servant Jesus, son of Virgin Mary!

@Kingsikaz: And today, my man I have not gone to Google! How about it? Thats how intensely googleman I am!

@Olowo-Tee:

Oops thank God, I'm a Child of God and not a servant as some are. . . .I post no more on this issue to you, Mr. Olabowale. . . .

The last time I checked, God was not from Ekiti State? Where are you from, again, in Yorubaland? See, your problem? You can just say whatever you want about God, whether it makes sense or not, it should just be okay and be accepted? No, not on your life!

Olowo-Tee:

maybe we should just let him (Olabowale) be. He reminds me of a roaring lion. . . .unfortunately his targeted preys are too big/strong/mighty for him to devour.[/qoute] Identify my preys above? Then I will identify my MOVER, the ONE I Worship, bowing my will to HIm, submitting myself, willingly to Him, day and night, while and conscious and unconscious! Olowo-Tee, in my poor Ijebu language, 'Wee muu mii.' You have no inkling who Olabowale is! I am a humble slave of my MASTER, thoroughly away of HIS Awesomeness! There is none like HIM! He stands alone always, complete without any deformation, perfect, in every way. The Angels pray HIM, day and night and never tited of adoring HIM. I will never submit and never will I coworship anything with Him. NOT MONEY, NOT WOMEN and NOTHING, will satnd in my way! I worship the same GOD that Jesus referred to in Mark 12 Verse 29, the same Lord that defeated Pharaoh through the hands of Moses and the same Creator and Master of Muhammad, whom HE sent with the religion of truth. COME JOIN the RIDE that will lead you to the altimate MERCY OF GOD, in this life and hereafter.

@Olabowale
arguments isn't in my blood. I only answer sincere questions. . I wish you could feel me whilst i sing this glorious song. . . ."All that I need is in Jesus, He satisfies, Joy He supplies; Life would be worthless without Him; All these in Jesus I've found. "

You need Peace of heart? Come to Jesus He'd receive you gallantly. You need Jesus man.

You are amazing, not wanting to dialogue, yet you put forward an idea that you can not support! You break into a song, praising a creation, but disregarding his CREATOR. Alhamdulillah, My peace of heart is from Allah the Almighty Alone!Yes I need Jesus, as a prophet. Yes he is clearly written in the Qur'an, and his mother is defended, while the whole Bible never even see it fit to one time, with a single sentence respect her! In the Bible, we see that the 'inspire' writers even penned that Jesus said 'who is my mother?' And he point to the audience as his mother when he was told that his mother wanted an audience with him. Yet we see that in the Qur'an he declared that he was commanded never to be a burden on his mother! You see the type of Jesus I need, along with oah, Abraham, Moses and Muhammad (AS to all of them)? I do not need to hang by my spiritual responsibility on any man. There is no bearer of burden that will bear the burden of any other, but his/her own, alone.

Stop deceiving yourself! face reality. You can sing all the songs you want, from the point of death, you will find that it has no use with the One who Judges and all decisions depends on HIM! Jesus is not it. He has his own burden(s) as well and he will not be concerned with yours. Afterall, he did not ask you to worship him!

@Kingsikaz:

@ imhotep
there is only one olabowale on planet earth

@ gamine
you are not 3 personalities.you are gamine!

this is d bottom line

You are a spirit, you have a soul, then you live in a body.period!

Your spirit connect 2 infinite knowledge
Your soul to the realm of imaginations or realities
Your body - an ordinary monitor which display what it's been fed by the spirit /soul.

check my post on spirit, soul, n body. kingsikaz

You are wrong my man. There are many Olabowale in Yorubaland. Then I have met others who are not even Yorubas! It seems as if you know that spirit and soul are just names of one single entity or part. Prior to it being fused into a human being body, it is in spiritual realm. But when it is fused and the man is slive, it is a living soul that has a physical body! But when the man dies, the soul is detached from the lifeless body. The soul returns back into the spiritual realm, which it was before being connected to the mere body which brought that body into being!

Now am gonna quiz you for good soul searching. Remember I did not say spirit searching. If we are to assume for a moment that the soul is not the spirit, or vice versa, then i will like you to answer the following questions for me:

a. During Pregnancy, if the soul does not fuse with the body, but it is the spirit will there be a living baby delivered?
b. If its is the Spirit that does not fuse with the body, during the same pregnancy, but the soul that fuses, will there be a living baby delivered ?

c. If the soul is detached from the body of a living man, but the spirit is still attached, will the man still be alive?
d. If the spirit is detached from the body of a living man, but the soul is sill attached , will the man still be alive?

Do you now realise that soul and spirit are inseparable entity in relationship with man, dead or alive (lifeless or living)?

Now we come to understand, if either is absent in a man, that the result is death, hence we can conclude that the two, soul and spirit are just names of the same matter/element in a man. If you do not have this element, the man is dead! In Islam, we see that the souls of the children of Adam, were taking from the back of Adam, and were gathered in a single gathering. Then Allah, the Creator asked them, "Am I not your Lord?' And the souls affirmed it. Hence, the soul had confessed in the Lordship of its Creator. This soul will witness against the person, (body and soul) who worshipped other(s) with or completely separate from or deny the existence of this Creator.

The spirit in man which is actual soul, is not the same spirit as tje spiritual beings which we call "Angels." The holy spirit therefore is not but Angel Gabreil!

Your point is simply an assumption! You can be precise that you will know my emotional demeanor from my writing. Evidently you are not familiar with the essence of debate/dialogue. You do not see me and don't know how i feel. I am simply telling you the truth. Evidently you are wrong in your assumption of my temperament, just as you are wrong and can't admit it about you understanding of God the Creator and Jesus the created Messenger and holy spirit which is an angel, both of them are Messengers of God. One Messenger is spiritual being, the Angel (Archangel Gabreil) and the other is physical being, a human/man (Jesus son of Mary).

When you understand that you will begin to know how Unique is the Creator! (Mark 12 Verse 29).

@Cgift: From the mouth of babes and the mouth of Timothy as quoted above: The verse gave a 50/50 probability of maybe or maybe not!

By cgift, you did not use the words of Jesus himself, in Mark 12 Vese 29 (Bless you and God guidiance of your heart, +Osisi), the Gospel, rather you are quoting Timothy a simple epistle/letter, to encourage a group. You can write anything, including your own opinions, like what Paul did!

Iyen iwo, where did you ever respect Allah, the Prophet and the Qur'an a book that is firmly writing down, yet you want me to respect an ever changing and never stable Bible? I do respectyour book by writing the B in capital. But I disagree with any lies that is against Jesus! And that is what we are point out to you guys.

Do you understand your own idea? You said I should ask the Jews/Children of Israel about not believing that Jesus was god! I just told you that its been 1400 years and counting that Islam of Muhammad said categorically and not refusing it as an idea, but as the essence of belief that there is no god but One God, Allah the Almighty Creator and Jesus was a servant and a messenger slave of this God! Yey when it was said, these two places, Makka and Madina were just nothing among the major centres of the world. But since then, they have climbed steadily to Major cities and beloved land at least by 25% of the world popuklation of today! Indeed the greater middle east had improved based on this idea alone! Get real, man and get with it. You seem to be unclear of what I wrote before, but you can never deny it now.

THE ARABS ARE IMPROVING, AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT>WHEN THE FOOLISH AMERICAN POLITICIAN STATED THAT THEY SHOULD BOMB MAKKA, A LOT OF US PRAYED THAT THEY DO IT AND SEE WHAT THE OWNER OF KA'ABA WILL DO! BUT OF COURSE, THE REASONABLES AMONG THE POLITICIANS SAID WHAT THE MAN SAID WAS FOOLISH. THE REPEAT OF SURAH FIL (THE ELEPHANT) WOULD HAVE BEEN EMINENT!

Just the same way you have failed in writing it down! Explain it again, I wanna read it from you, in a new entry, please! So that I understand you: When Jesus came to being, the word of God was flesh then? Right? Is there still any word with God, Who remained in His Majesty, separate and apart from Jesus? Was this God's word audible: "this is my son, in whom am well please?" Was that statement from from God, His 'word?'

If father and holy spirit dwelt inside Jesus, then when Jesus died, crucified on the cross, according to the Bible (and of course, the Muslims do not believe it), the enties that dwelt in him (father and holy ghost), must have died with him, or did they escape the cruxifixion, leaving Jesus alone to bear the brunt of the all thing? You have a lot to explain or this should open your eye!

Inhotep: Stop your unsubstantiated gabble. Makka and Madina are good examples of your failed hypothesis: Its over 1400 years and these two cities wer outposts then.

Olowo-Tee: You can't respond to my queries? So you have to result to yelling, Iya Ekiti! Ora. Oya o. After a long and quite over due response, yet you could not provide any. Mr. dafidixone, the poster, answer my inquiries, man. The seventh day rest thing: Was the christian God tired? Why did he need rest?

A fool (full/complete) is born every hour. I don't wanna exagerate, i could have said every minute, but it does seem so? Isn't it the great attachment to Jesus, a mere creation, but all the while forgetting his Creator!

@+Osisi: While you pray for me, don't mention Jesus or any other entities' name. Go to God directly and talk to Him! Finally, tell me what is meant by the Bible when it say 'our own Image,' and 'His own Image?' In the Our, does that mean ( Gods, Jesus and Holy ghost Images or is it Image?) all the composition of each one? If it is then we will realise that Jesus was always, prior to the creation of man. And that will be impossible! We will also know that the Holy spirit and change to physical being, otherwise his hovering over water during creation of the earth, would have just being in Spirit and could not have described as a physical manifestation. I just do not see man, who is physical changing at will. Hence the idae of our Image to include the holy spirit's image will be incomplete. Or is the holy spirit also physical like Jesus, too?

Finally, we come to God's image as stated in the Bible: Is this image or likeness like that of man? Is man miniaturised physicality of God? Is whats onman what is o God, too. Which gender is God, then?

+Osisi, you have a lot of explanation to do! And I bet, if you go to the'Scripture (lol and rofl), you will be wrong.Go to Qur'an and realise that God is completely different from His creation. Their Images are not similar in any way! But am waiting for your diversion(s), which you will call reply or replies from the locust cloud!

@+Osisi:

The Bible says in Genesis 1:26-27; "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over, all the creatures, So God created man in His own image, in the image of
God He created him; male and female He created them."

How you never punder about 'His own Image,' to actually bring to your inner thought that 'us make,' 'our image,' and 'our likeness,' are simply majestic pronouns, and not because the Speaker is referring to Somebody or Somebodies along with Himself. And not that He needed any permission from those who are the audiences or listeners! They had no choice. There was no opinion requested or required from them. See, even the audiences or listeners were silent, gave no response! See, if Jesus and holy ghost were there, they had no say in anything.

In the creation of the earth, from your Bible, and notice I have not referred to the Qur'an, the holy ghost/spirit hovered over water. That was an errand that he was sent. Jesus never did anything as a third of this 'christian godheads for One God.' What he did are after he had became flesh, and it was not a special case because Moses had did even greater things or at least similar: Staff becoming snake, in three occassions, drowning the Egyptians and saving the Israelites, providing food from heavens, providing guiding light from heaven, raising a dead person by his instructions of touching the dead body with part of the slaughtered cow (This is in the Qur'an and the tafsir of Surah baqarah, in the Qur'an), giving the order for the Israelites to kill some of them.

Yet we see in Mark 12 Verse 29 (And I have to thank God here, Who directed your fingers to type that Verse for my attention. Keep it up.), that Jesus declared that he was also subjected like every human under the Lordship of the singly God! Now in the Qur'an we learn that Allah the Almighty Creator declares to the audience (the community of the Angels; ArchAngel, Gabreil, Michael and the rest of the Angels), that He was about to creat a vieroy for the earth. And we know that Allah calls Jibril in many attributes; Holy spirit, spirit among them. So you see that there was an audience, Jesus was not one of them, because Adam, his father, from whom the souls of all man is takingout, was not yet created whe the dialogue took place!

Finally, Allah will protect me from all types of Fitnah (trials). There is no traces of madness in my bloodline and I am truly Allahs slave. He will protect me, always. Amin. I also supplicate to Him that He protects you and soften to your heart to receive guidance. Amin. Am expecting a little Ahmad, or Muhammad or Aisha to be crawling soon. Let me know so that I can rejoice with you, but thank your Creator for making it easy for you.

@+Osisi:

Olabowole the Spirit of God is part and parcel of God not just an instrument.
Just like the Spirit of olabowole is part and parcel of olabowole and indivisible from him.
I can't make it any simpler.

I do not need simplification, but truth in speech. If you do not know the absolute truth, then it is better to say nothing! You have not been able to identify to us, the Spirit, either by its nature or by its characteristics. You just say spirit and you want us to just swallow it, like the way you swallow 'Trinity,' a word that you are not familiar with, in your Bible or any supplimentary book! Before I say anything, I am curious about that word, 'Indivisible.' Was just part of this 'indivisible?' You remember what I have been saying about your 'death' of Jesus? If they are indivisible, that is, father, son and holy ghost, then when son died, the other parts died with him! Then there was no one left alive in the 3.

It will mean that there was no one left among them to oversee the conditions of the UNIVERSE. Tell me, how did the earth kept its prescribed course, the same that it had kept before this ' death of the indivisible' godheads of the Christians? We will see that the death did not mean anything to the stability/equilibrum of the Universe!

Perhaps, the true God Who is Lord, is not attached to Jesus or spirit. Parhaps, these two are not more than errand entities to Him, the Awesome Creator! Perhaps the Spirit is not more than Archangel Gabreil (a spiritual being) and of course Jesus is a Prophet (a human being), a mere mortal.

But God is unlike Olabowale. Olabowale is a mere mortal, acreation of God! God does not look like us and nothing we have is like what He has! Hence, Spirit of God is not attached to God, while the spirit of Olabowale is the soul that makes him a living person, because it is attached to the body! So your hypothesis of part and parcel, may apply to Olabowale, but not to God! Further proof, is when you speak about the Spirit over water, etc. We notice that God was not hovering over it. We see that when John 1/19 declares that the holy spirit is the agent responsible for Mary's pregnancy, we realise, Jusus was not responsible for his own pregnancy inside his mother.

you are funny. I have a minute or two.