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Hebron, Jerusalem, all in Palestine, duh! We are talking about Palestine, hello.

The 'World,' as Jesus knew it was within the 12 tribes (Nations of the children of Israel; from the drinking places, we see that each nation had its own, during Moses time). Jesus never, ever meant anything more than Children of israel, otherwise, he would himself had preached his gospel to them, as his instructions. Remember Jesus was do as I do not as I say, without doing? I guess all of this is too soffisticated for you.

@4Him: David, you are all over the map! You never stop! Do you bit for christianity, get a legitimate yam to chop, raw, boiled, fried or roasted! Just do it, before you burst a tube.

And at that time, there was no Jews/Children of israel alive, at the time that Ibrahim arrived in Palestine! Was ibrahim, from the children of Israel? This is a 60K Dollars for you and you should answer it. No wonder yiu did not get my drift, when i was just telling you that Ismail was born in Jerusalem, before he and his mother was taken to Makka. Definitely, he drank the water of Jerusalem/Palestine at least, 13 years before his little brother Isiaq!

Okare, Omo Yoruba! Finally, the Jews, opps, the Children of Israel, do not recognize your Nigerian support! They you, as a black group, whose brain is 'New!' See how much they bid for your brain! A proof of this is how they played your Government and win, twice when it came to umar Dikko matter, in England. Every which way, you lose, with the Zionist, opps its the Children of Israel. Sorry I keep forgetting! All other names sounds anti-semetic! Yet they are not the only group that is semite you know.

You have disingenuously forgot that the land that we call palestine was there even before father Ibrahiim left Iraq! Or wasn't? What was it called at that time, before his grandson, Jacob began to have children, who are known as children of Israel, and a branch later was known as the Jews; Remember Israel and Judiah after King Prophet Solomon (as)? Now tell me what was that land known as?

4Him: I wo omo david yi. Agidi e ti poju. You argue blindly.

there is no point being decietful . . . even athiests know that the mosque (al aqsa) was deliberately built over the site of Solomons temple (temple mount).
If that is not true then why have the arabs vehemently and violently opposed excavations at that site?

Solomon that you claimed worshipped Idol? Excavations under an existing building, a masjid, by a Jew and/or Christian or others? What a dishonest man you are! What condition will be masjid come out with, if it survived the evil drive that is making people suggesting and eager to excavate? Let me ask you, will you allow an excavation of the holy sepucal church or the nevity church? David get real. I will not let a starnger come to excavate my family property, and I am sure you will do the same. But Masjid Aqsa is more important to any individual's person's family propertiy. Aqsa is a community property, belonging to the Palestinian Muslims, specifically and the world body of the muslim, in general. Afterall Masjid Aqsa is in the Qur'an. Unlike your Book which does not carry Trinity as a word on any of its pages! How in the world can you claim that Trinity is a thought, worse an ideal and worst a reality?

which "palestinian territories"?

Is it Yoruba territory? The last time I check, it is in East Jerusalam, a palestinian area.

ask fatah and hamas.

You have no shame. The unfortunate thing is that you are showing a sign of heartlessness. I should also ask the Zionist, if I could. Orisi, rishi david ti po ju.

the palestinians are the only people on earth whose population is growing so rapidly despite all cries of a "genocide".

Unlike you who have to wait till old age to chop the yam, while you are salivating at every Yam the shelves of every grocery store. It shows your insincerity, because you have not factor that what if they were not been killed off, what would have become of the palestinian population, in palestine?

Have you cried about the recent Lebanese army incusion into the refugee camp in Beirut?

And the puppet masters behind the scene are not others but , !

Is it Isreal's duty to provide palestinians with water? Last i checked they do not recognise Isreal.

It is their duty to not put guns over their heads every minute. Believe me, the palestinians, (all of them without distinctions by religion, etc), will be fine. If the Zionist will not be arm wringling everyone against them, there are ways to covert water from the sea to satisfy their needs. But the Zionist will not let off pulling their weight through America nd Europe and of course the hypocritical arab leaders.

why all the intifada, why all the rockets, why all the suicide bombing?

Caveman david, you always lick through, regardless of what you wrap yourself as, Dawid, 4Him, davidylan, all of these are just different cuts, but the water, which is you is the same, with the bad foulling taste. You firget the Israelis is top in the world regarding her military organisation. Tell me, was there any incursions recently from them?

We know where the temple mount is. your mosque is built on it. Was it not that same spot that Muhammad said he took a night journey to heaven? Didnt mohammed tell us he tied his donkey to a pillar used by the old prophets at solomon's temple?
all of a sudden you decietfully can no longer find this temple mount?

'we', you are now a jew? The temple mount belongs to the christians now, or the nigeria christians or the nigerians on Nairaland or specifically david along with the Jews? The old prophets you said were idol worshippers? Did you believe Muhammad? You have no claims, david and the Jews do not have any either? And inshaAllah, you will live long and die off without finding your temple mount! Amin.

@KAG:

For the lurkers: you'll notice that he's completely ignored the bulk of my post, and avoided the positive evidence and individual lines of enquiry I've provided to satisfy his foolishness. You'd also notice that he hasn't bothered to provide any such thng about the subject of the initial debate.

The bulk of your entry is irrelevant. I do not waste my time on irrelevance. If I ignore anything about you, that was my answer to you; 'Silence is the best answer to a _______!', as the adage goes. My debate with you is about your baseless denial of your Creator, God! I am using my denial of you as a living thing, if you are and you are not a machine (see I have doubt about your being a human being), to express your exact position about God!

@KAG; What I have just done, if you are a human is to deny your existence, the same way that you denied the existence of your Creator, God! Afterall, you were once a none existing thing (before your parents got together in a conjugal way). Infact, all of us were not in existence at sometimes in the past. There was something that brought us to existence, at least crank up, into motion the stationary (Potential energy loaded thing, (the thing you atheists hypothesised to be the giver of life), and long time before the thing came into existence?) matter/particle, into a kinetic energy loaded thing, which in your mind brought you and all things to existence. This initial matter/particle, was it a Biological materials or what was it actually, if you know, which in time metamorphosised to life giver (the Bilogical part of of existing thing is what am referring to, you machine!)?

If it was easy for me to deny your human existence (I still believe that you are a machine because you are to mechanical in your responses, which is devoid of any human emotions), by just saying that you do not exist, since I have never seen you, yet we are both of the same species (If you are human, since i have limited knowledge and also zero knowledge of what the future hold, since we are not in the future yet. But at least I am human enough to admit it, while you are mechanical enough to deny all that you are not fed information on), in the creation, you can imagine how easier it is for you to deny the existence of God, though it is false denial, without any possible rational support of your position. Afterall, God is a being which does not look like you and you tend to be a visual person, and you have never laid eyes on Him, wanting to test all conditions by sense of sight, if possible. The same God is far away from you, having an elevated status, and exists in a place at minimum, heaven, a distance to earth, which is not known. Yet you believe that the 'heaven,' exist, even though you have never seen it. Further you have not heard the voice of this God, but yet you hear the rumblings of the Thunder, and you have seen the lighting flashes. But none of these things; thunder and lightening and heavens and the earth, do we have absolute knowledge about, and can claim that there will not be any new discovery on them, in the future!

You will have to accept that your knowledge is very limited about yourself, afterall yor can never see your own eyes, neck, nostrils, back, without using a mirror! Then you have never seen your own inside and the workings of the organs, except you have MRI or other image providing devices in medicine. Since you have not seen God, then look around you at His creations, on this earth. Start from yourself, then your family, how much you resemble some and yet not so with others, even though you come from the same source. Reflect and ponder about the animals and how the trees look aa dead and forgotten in the winter and yet in Spring, the come alive! How has the earth been able to float all these while since it came to existence, without going off course. I know its the magnetic forces and other forces, but how did they come into being? These are your problems: you and me have limited knowledge, but you fail to admit it, but try hard to expalin away the unexplainable.

@Focused:

I am sure you know nothing about Hitler. Hitler was not a christian. Hitler is an atheist, When you read the history about Hitler, please try and understand what you are reading.

I guess all those Sunday Church he attended, were places where Atheists gathered!

I am sure you don't even understand the Quran and Hadith you claim to be reading. You see you know nothing about Christians and neither do you know nothing about Jesus Christ.

This guy in Ilu Oba, knows me well; he is able from long distance to dial me up and know that I know nothing about Qur'an and Hadith! And he is correct, again about my not knowing that Jesus was the son of Virgin Mary. That Jesus was a prophet/messenger for the Children of Israel and he was given a revelation. Of course his revelation had since been lost and what we have is the tampered with 'new product,' being passed up as original.

Of course the blood of JESUS was shed on the cross of Calvary. When I say blood of Jesus, if you don't understand, please ask.

Was that blood the same as the blood of god? Sorry god the son or maybe son of god? Come to think of it, if the three are inseparable and always the same, then from the Bible, you will have to say that the Bible is saying the blood of the three!

Your problem here is ignorance. I see you are deeply involved with this messenger of the devil called Muhammad (piss and faeces be upon him). I cannot say peace be upon him because his false religion which he founded is causing problem and mayhelm all over the world. Take a look at the people who are dying everyday either as a result of suicide bombing or being killed by all these Islamic fanatics, who act and behave like psychotic donkeys. Take a look at Sudan where, Arab Muslims (supporter of APC) are busy killing black muslims like Eid el fitri rams

From this point on forward, I will not respond to you. I think that you are very immature. You need to grow up. When you abuse a prophet, then you have abused the prophet you have chosen instead of him. Good bye.

@KAG: That figures. They did not program you to have human feelings and be able to identify that 33 1/3 % is what I meant, since I was discussing 100/3. I should have known that when I am addressing a Machine, all he reads is th punch cards (Binary informations on thems).

A lot of irrelevances just to make it appear you have something to say? What a cunt. You've contradicted yourslef so many times that it's hard to know where to begin in that block of crap. I guess I'll start with the most obvious:you've shown that you actually believe I exist and capable of human reason How? You stated: " I state this idea for your edification." I'm hoping you can work out the rest for yourself.

Whatever cunt means here! I have used the contradictions, to confuse the one track mind of the Computer program/Machine!

KAG, I do believe there is a thing I dentified as KAG; possibility is that it is a Machine being fed information, so that the lazy Mr Hyde, can continue his experiment of "Human like responses from a Machine, code KAG" The edification is for you Mr. handler (Dr Jerkell) of Machine code name KAG! Mr. Handler, you need to refine the programming, because I can see your machine is about to break down!

@4Him: If the fight is over the 'Temple Mount,' where is that located exactly? I see the Masjid Aqsa complex, and I do not know where you and your jewish handlers have your "temple MounT." Maybe you need to be clear about your location!

But if the conflicts is about the Mount, from the Zionist perspective (Maybe I just have to say the Jewish perspective), then why the so many incursions into the Palestian territories? Why the curtaining off the West bank from the Gaza strip? Why the systematic killing off of the Palestians? Why the killings in the refugee camps of Shatilla, etc in Lebanon, for example? Why depriving the Palestians basic amenities like water? Why all the petty evils, which cumulatively begins to take its toll on the old, (Some of the palestians happen to be Christians)? Yet, no single Western (European and North American) country have said anything substantiative all the 60 plus years that Killing and forcibly taking the lands of the palestians from them, yet never have stopped long enough to give an impression that its ending?

They have not gotten the 'Temple Mount?' Still searching for it, in the Middle East? Maybe they need to step out of Middle East and probably ask the Nigerian Christians to locate 'Temple Mount,' for them, since they have not be able to pinpoint it, all this while. They need somebody like Davidylan to do it for them! I could also suggest +Osisi, but I know that the Zionist will not regard her much! She is a woman and the women get it bad with the Jews!

@Imhotep: What does Jannat hold for the people behind 911, you said? The question should be complete, since Pentagon in Washington DC was also hit under the same condition. Here is how your question should read, instead of the half stepping question, you asked: What does Jannat holds for the people behind 911, which brought down the whole of World Trade Center complex buildings, and tremendously damaged the Pentagon? Now thats a better and more complete question.

Imhotep, please answer it for us?

Your sentence constructions; (Muslims are very arrogant) and (some christians can be, too) are two telling signs. When you spoke about the Muslims, you were very clear and firm, but as you spoke about Christians, it be came mild and conditional, almost reactionary.

@Focused: I happen to be a Southern man. Hello! Islam is not a Northern Nigerian religions and not even a Makkan or Madinan religion! Stop being so unintelligent, in your presentation. You claim to be in England, am certain that you must have seen Muslims who are not Northern Nigerians or even Nigerians. If this happens to you, in the future, do not panic. Stay calm and put your think cap that you must have acquired from halls of learnings, on! lol. Your blood of Jesus is on your hand. Infact dip yourself in it, before it bgins to degrade. I know, it is nit physical. Nothing is physical in Christianity! Even you are not physical. No wonder when Jesus said in Mark 12 Verse 29 that the God of the Children of Israel and his God, is but One God!, is not taking literarily for its weight and connent, even though as it came from the mouth of the master Jesus, directly!

The Christian had to put a spin on it! The same way they put a spin on Jesus instructions to his 'apostles,' about selling their cloaks and buying swords (ammunitions) instead. Just the same way that Trinity is being rammed into our throat, even though, as a word it does not appear on any page of the "Bible!" Can you imagine if Laa ilaha ilallah, does not appear on any page of the Qur'an? Or that Jesus was not a more than a man prophet/messender, a creation, or Salah, Zakah, Saum and Hajj. If any of these is not on the page of Qur'an, how can the Muslims then talk about it? This is your problem; go and find your trinity on the pages of the Bible, you will never find it! Here is what you need to do, tell me if Focused is never known on the Nairaland as a male, how can we define this unknown (Focused), by claiming that we have a develoed idea, which we suddenly claimed to be 'FOCUSED?'

So holythug, when you line up to pray, you are concerned about gay and the likes? You need to grow up man. You want me to meet you at Wendys, Burger King or Mickey Dee? I try not to eat everything/everywhere if I can help it.

@Defidixone: You simply approach my entry with walking on egg shell caution. Holythug already had answered your simple question, which seems to be troubling you some. I asked you about Ibrahiim's father and his progeny/pregeny. You did not even try to approach it, yet you are yepping about Muhammad's father, who was dead before he was born! Now that you got it, what are you going to do about it? Now respond to my inquiries about Ibrahiim's family; his ancestor (father) and his grogeny (sons).

@Imhotep: You always make no SENSE! god/man; Hogwash, Cowdung!

Your prayer goes to you first, if you are wrong!

Then act on it and stop being a lukewarm, or like an amaphrodic. When the Christian insult Muslim or Islam you are always happy. No, you do not know me. Maybe you need to step out from the shadow of Gotham city. I am in Gotham city. It will be easy for you to know me! Name your place of meeting. I would prefer a Musque or a halah restaurant.

@+Osisi: All you do is just give versions, in English. Give one in Igbo for a change. Afterall, neither Igbo, nor Oyinbo is the language of inspiration of the Bible writers. Too many cooks spoil the broth! Too many writers spoil the master piece, the best seller of all time, the novel! lol/rofl. You inspire me, like the way the bible writers were inspired; there emotion and demeanor changing as they face this audience or that audience, trying to satisfy the needs of each!

@Dafidixone: The Salvation in Jesus Christ (as), ended prior to the very first revelation (the 5 verse of Surah Alaq), to Muhammad! So today, the Salvation in Jesus, falls under the salvation in Muhammad (both of them slaves and messengers of God Allah the Almighty)). Hence the salvation in Jesus is ZERO! Those who believe in him and reject Muhammad as the current prophet/messenger are indeed in error.

@Chi Baby:

this trend is an abomination. my eyes should not behold things or statements like this. therefore i don't wish 2 say much oda than ''MAY GOD 4GIVE You'', hu eva that posted ds thing. is ok if that is what your q'ran says but pleaseeeeeeeeeeee, respect oda people's religions ok? cho!!!!!!!

But in the Qur'an, Jesus is a slave. The Muslim who posted it, did not refer to the Bible, but his reference is the Qur'an and Islamic belief! whats your problem about it?

If you are a muslim, you will know that there is One God and He does not have a parent(s) and He does not have a child! He is Independent and everything depends on Him! Until you get to know the True God, you will always be going about in the darkness, having a belief in more than ONE True God!

@Hotfunmi: Prepare for your funeral! Its only a matter of time!

@+Osisi: Pele (its always spelled without the k. But I am going to use your version; Kpele, accented when spoken, but meant the same thing as Pele, an oral word, means easy or something like that. Imagine, there is no accurate single word in English for Yoruba's PELE! Then you wrote it with, starting with a K! So it is no surprise that the english effort of the Qur'anic translators are different, just as there is no clear single word for Pele in English. The Warsh, Hafs, etc stands for the Pele, Kpele, etc!

But have you ever seen a Bible that could be the Pele, Kpele, etc (Warsh, Hafs, etc writing, all in the original language of revelation, but in your case "inspired into the pen/thoughts of men?" Is any inspiration in Aramaic, Hebrew and where are they? Is any inspiration in latin/roman/greek/English and where are they?

show me a derogatory word on the first post.
I merely pointed out a fact that you folks like to "dodge" and olabs confirmed it to be true.
Why should the fact that there are different Korans make anyone mad if it's a true saying?

What are you talking about lady? Where did I 'dodge?' Rather it is you have dodged me, all through the process I have been on this board! I know your hatred for islam is deep, because it ven affect me a Yoruba man (I have laugh at this, because it is true!). Where are the different Qur'ans, you, you, " !" See it is Islam that prevented me to speak my mind as a Nigerian male to you a Nigerian female (Rofl; Since we are from a male dominated society. Indeed all society is. And USA is not an exemption. I know better, so don't even try to front!)

@Logical:

Yes Some Muslims are very arrogant when they defend their beliefs, Some Christians can be too. I just wished they could both be humble.

You have assumed that Christianity is always right. That is the same assumptions with Islam and the Muslims. The arrogance of the Christians! lol/rofl. (And +Osisi, thanks for bringing me upto date, in the lingo. I pray that I can return a favor; bring you upto date, in true belief!)

@Holythug: Not all banks and banking businesses are "haram." What are you? Please declare your religion and do not play the role of Munafiqiin! that is an evil thing. If you are Muslim, stand for Islam and if you are not, don't pretend! You have been doing too much of pretense, lately.

@defidixone: The bearer of burden shall not bear the burden of others. Go back to Ibrahiim, what was his father's religion and what roles did it play in the final outcome of Ibrahiim as the father of faith, being covetly claimed by the three so called monotheistic religions? (I personally takes the stand that Christianity is not, and Judaism is not in the sense that monotheism is classically defined). To complicate the issue further for you, dafidixone, what is the name of the religion of Ibrahiim, his children and what does Ibrahiims father name mean in the Ur, Iraq language? You see, you people are so childishly petty. Your presentations are stripped of any real substance! When you realise that Ibrahiim's position with God is not depending on his fathers or his children religion(s), then the same applies to Muhammad, who is also a prophet/messenger like him!

Run alone and get me some weak opinions you will pass as answers, and wait till I use my sledge hammer on them!

@Focused, +Osisi: Just one man Router, see how many shameless locust bees came out of their grazings? Then surprisingly, dafidixone, was pleading the blood of Jesus! Was any shed? And this blood can it cover/prevent Hitler and Mussollinni (Just to name a few unjust Christians, in the human history), from going to the 'lake of fire'/(Jahannam)? If your answer is no, then the blood if ever shed (not) has no real power behind it!

@KAG;

Wow! I guess you couldn't make it up - or maybe you could, but we'd be inclined to suspect idiocy even if you did make it up.

In any case, there are several lines of enquiry that can be used to show that I do in fact exist. Where "I" is at the very least a persona represented by the username "KAG".

Well, I'm communicating with you and other internet characters in a way that is empirically testable. That is, not only am I responding to your - and others - questions and posts in constructive sentences that indicate human intelligence, that fact can be verified by anyone who wishes to test it.

Following from that, it soon becomes apparent that even if we decide to try imagining alternatives which are unlikely to be testable, that my existence will still the most parsimonious of the lot.

I'm sure there are other propositions that can be raised, but that's it from me for now.

I am amazed that you simply can propose and think that everyone accept that (those people who have seen you, and people like me, who may never see you, physically, that), you exist. That you are a physical material, a matter, a substance, having quantumfied properties! How do you think I will fall for your mere saying that just based on your KAG identity, which is a staged (Nairaland is a computer board, you know) name? I have never seen you and I am going to assume that no one on Nairaland have ever seen you! Nobody knows your true identity. For me you are only a voice/writing, but without anything that is testable/verifiable behind it! The possibility is at the minimum 50% that the responses we read under the KAG identity, is from a computer program/a machine generated responses. Proofs: The Old American TV series titled 'Charlie's Angels, feauturing Farah Faucett, in the 70s and early 80s, is a good inkling of my hypothesis, rather theory and possible theorem about your none existence! There was a Movie in the 90s called Ferris Beular day off, about high school students playing hoakies from school!

If the rudimented technology at that time of Charlies Angel TV show, could fool a host of American and indeed the world, then Imagine what the technology of today can do! Today, computer had advanced to the level that a man-like machine is being tested and being further refined! Afterall, computer gave Andre Gasperov, the chess world champion a run for his money in a chess match!

If you think I will fall for your gimmick, giving a false, rather weak argument about your existence, just because you identify 'yourself,' by 'I' and a pseudoname, 'KAG,' you have assumed that you are talking to a dummy! I could be everything, but a dummy! Finally, you have assumed that you are communicating with me, in English language. But this language is a very young language, which has her root from germanic root, and other languages of europe. Now that English is refined, I bet some people with some form of delution or out right denial will claim that English language is a language that has nothing to do with her father(s)/mother(s), indeed the european language! Yet some old languages of the world are already dead (Old Egyptian language long time prior to Moses, and others Babylonian, Byzentin and other) and forgotten and yet some are in some degrees of death! I state this idea for your edification, in the sense that you are using a young knowledge (in this case English Language) to identify and justify your existence, whereas, the languages which English originated from are even denied by some, assumed dead by others, and to some, yet relegated to insignificant, compared to English. But those who have knowledge, will always acknowledge this collective languages as identifiable and at least an oral means of passing informations, within the community of people, in Europe before the now dorminiaring English language.

Yet the English language of England, is almost distinctively different from the Ameicans. Some words are different and even none existing, yet some common words are written differently. Since knowledge is continuous, we have not gotten to the end of discoveries! So, there will be some new things to learn, always. Hence, KAG, if you are a human being, (50% chance that you are), your knowledge is very limited, even about the time that you live in, presently. You do not know everything. You and no technology had penetrated so far to the end of space/galxies, milky ways, etc, to get to a possibility to discover the heavens, or disprove their existence. However, if you are not a human being, say you are a machine generated voice, (50% chance that you are), your ability of today, however lifelike you are in structures and performance, especially your claimed ability to respond to others and me, in answers to questions, as you stated above, even in your best effort to immitate human beings, will be primitive to what the future machines can do!

In whatever way you exist, presently, as a human being lacking a good knowledge of your enviroment, except that you read from those who have greater knowledge than you, hence using other people's knowledge and opinions to come to your own, or as the best designed machine, of all times, to date, giving an out put of 100% efficiency, in total, your limited knowledge has not proven your own human existence, hence in the same knowledge you can not prove that God (The Great Mover) does not exist! Just the same way I do not see you, and you are not a tangible/physical essence to me, and your handiwork is known to a small group of people, you could not disprove the existence of God Whose handwork is known by several Billions of people, presently around the world. Even the Hindus believe that there is a MIGHTY GOD, and He is different from their many gods in their temples and their homes!

As I think about you, I tend to believe that you are a machine, whose programmer is more like Mr. Jerkell!

Hubris stinketh, and it doth cometh before a fall.

Whatever that means! I thinketh, it is a computer language, like Cobol or Fortran! Thats all you have mustered all day, on your own without the programmer's on sit!

What activities? And why should I know?

You Just proved my theorem that you are a machine! You are not capable of independent thought! Creation activites, you inefficient machine! If I were your builder, I will dismantle you and scrap for parts, especially the softwares for the recycling bin!

@Obanikoro:

ah-ah!!!
what happened to the two mighty dragons in the house?
una done tire to fight?
who win?
abeg make una continue una show jare
na entertainment for us.

You are very childlike. I really do not want to say tha you are childish. There are no dragons here. I am a human being, bowing my will, voluntarily to my Creator. Maybe you are proposing that KAG may be a possible gragon, reducing the chances that it is a computer or he (assuming that you a male) is human to 331/3% each? Thats a possibility. Hopefully, someone might even suggest that plant is also a possibility! Therefore taking it down a notch to 25%. I will stop at that so that we do not ditute the conversation to meaningless babbles.

But my engaging the entity known as "KAG," will not preclude me from reminding you that you are in the grouping of Hindus, who know that their is a MIGHTY GOD, but yet have gods in their temples and homes. The christians do have crosses, crucibles in Churches and homes and around their neck, along with many saints, Mary, Fatima, etc.

@Lazy:

This is silly! Language is a part of the culture of a people and Christ is all things to all men, so that he might save them. What he is saying is that when he is being worshiped by Arabs he is Arab. So when he is Arab, and their language is Arabic, God's name is Allah. When he is with English, and their language is English, God's name is God. You cannot express spirituality outside of culture and Christ can adapt to any culture as long as you follow his laws. People have to learn how to separate culture from spirituality.

Lazy (man), if Jesus was what you said he is in Arabic; why do the Arab Christians call him, Jesus; Isa, and God Almighty Creator Allah? Why does the Qur'an refers to Jesus; Isa bin Marian, Massiah, rasul bani Israil, ruh llah, etc? Now am gonna kill your argument above by attacking what you wrote below.

1 Corinthians 9:20-22

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

Was Jesus the speaker here or Paul/somebody else, but not Jesus? If Jesus is not the speaker, how can you makethe statement above or, unless Jesus had invaded the body of Paul/the speaker of this verse, hence his reincarnate? Is this possible? I doubt it! All you have put forward is a deceitful way to lure the unsupecting!

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

See what I mean? Another classical deceit! Going outside the boundary of responsibility. You see, Jesus never ministered outside the boundary of Children of Israel. But Paul, had to ignore jesus and go as far as he can, to deceive people and gain their commitments.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

This guy was more influencial that Jesus on those who claimed to be in a religion named after Jesus! The camelion pretends to be weak when he is talking to weak people! see the graet deceptions?

@Imhotep: I have been Muslim, all my life and never one time a Muslim get the near experience episode and he relates Jesus to anyone, and then still continues to be a Muslim! I guess your statement is derailed by this simple opposite fact to your hypothesis. Jesus was never referred to as the light in the Qur'an, so I will conclude that you lied, yet again about Jesus.

@Longman83: Are those verses posted by Alphazee from the Bible? If they are please whats the fuzz at trying tio insinuate ther hosnesty or sincerity to dialogue? She is not at fault here. Its your Bible writers who are at fault or better yet, address the issues. Come on. You think you can just dismisss all of these and there is no single question about your decisions?

Please stay focused.

@Stillwater; The TV executives are mainly Jews and Christians; regular goers of religious houses of worships. And by the way, the Bible is stocked in Hotel rooms and suites around the world. I don't think anyone who brings out marketing of porns will boldly tell you that he/she was inspired by verses or section of the Bible! But you can get a common thread going through them. Afterall, the christians claimed the Bible to be the best sellers, probably the best read. But what is read for by individual is another story.

To the Poster: This is madness and your fore bearers, Adam and Eve shouldnot be objects of Jokes by anyone!

Imhotep: I meant "do not hate Jesus." Only a fool will take for granted a slip of the pen and take my intention to write hate and writing have instead. Any honest pesron would capitalized on such a slip of the pen, without reading the question which I responded to and taking into account by entire response.

The accounts of Near Death Experiences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience) reported by Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Buddhists, Rastafarians etc etc etc is consistent with meeting a Christ-like figure after death. Just as Christ appears as blinding light to apostle Paul, those who die eventually meet a 'being of light'.

No amount of Koranic arguments or Jihad or any such babble can withstand this.

Olabowale, change your ways.

I do not know about the conditions of the others, but their has never have been a person in Islam who reported a near death experience and talks about 'Christ-like,' being! How do you know about Christ-like figure after death? Somebody who aklready dead told you? This is madness of the highest order! Are you saying all being of light is Christ Jesus son of mary? What happen to the Angels? The Angel that appeared to Joseph, the holy spirit that hovers over water, the dove like spirit of god that descendend on Jesus, etc, all of these are Christ-like and therefore Jesus? Thats not possible, my brother!

You have presented Zero argument, so to say that nothing can with stand it, is really truly! Something does not have to withstand nothing, because thare is nothing to act upon, hence measure againstand it will just be a waste of time!