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@+Osisi: Long lose your voice. I can hear that you are yelling from your presentation. I still need you and yours in the fold of Islam.

@Davidylan:

The story you quoted was not about pharaoh but about Joseph that just happened to have taken place in Egypt.
lol Joseph was a Isrealite . . . whether u call him a jew or not he was not of the lineage of ishmeal . . . please bring QURANIC stories of the ancestors of mohammed . . . surely if ishmael was the first born and child of covenant (according to deluded muslims and mohammed himself) allah in his "wisdom" would have granted them their place in history. Where are ishmeal's prophets?
Enough of plagiarising biblical stories and placing an islamic spin on them just to make islam look like it had any shred of history before mohammed.

Go ask your pastor, he will tell that I am correct. By the way the covenant, as you call it covers believers doing good. It does not cover the disbelievers, even if they were the next of kin of a prophet. Remember the wife of Lut, and the the son of Nuuh? The wife of Nuuh, you not know a thing about her. So I will use her as an example here.

And the prophet from the branch of Ismail in Ibrahim's lineage, was left for the last. Have you heard saving the best for last? Thats the story of Muhammad! Bible (the New Testament) does not have any real story that its exclusive to it. All belongs to Allah. Remember we're all under the heavens of Al Rahman. The Jewish Torah did not have exclusivity to Adam, Idris, Nuuh, Ibrahiim, Isiaq, Yakub, to mention a few. Their individual stories were stories of believers and doers of good. Their stories are human stories, carrying a faces of people who put their trust in One Supreme God!

[/quote]Joseph was a prophet and Abraham was asked to slaughter Ishmael
Muhammad should have paid more attention his neighbour read him the Torah so that he would have at least gotten the stories right.
The same way he said trinity was father son and virgin Mary
and Mary the mother of Christ was the sister of Aaron.[quote]

Let me just tackle two of the so many issues you raised: If Yusuf was not a prophet, then God must have really blessed him and loved him over and above this brothers and even his father (Israel) Yaqub! Remember that he dreamt about 11 stars prostrating to him? That was before he was sold by his brothers to slavery, but lied that he was killed by wild animal. Remember that udah, his brother was one of these conspirators? Now remember when his family all moved to Egypt now that he had become the treasurer of Egypt, that his parents and his siblings all prostrated to him? Do you have that story in your (Bible, the New Testament at all?) book, or you have to go to the Torah of the Jews to learn/read about it, even though you do not believe in their religion? This is the first and i wish you will ask your pastor about these things; if 'Joseph,' (as) was a prophet or not.

The second is your Trinity and Virgin mary, the woman that you claimed later had two sons for Joseph the capenter. How could she had continued to be a Virgin after having two sons with a man that she had sexual relationship with? But here is my point: What are the components of the Catholic's (the Christian sect, that you, the Protestant sects copied their Bible to produce what you call your own Bible) TRINITY; Father god, son god and what again, (did I hear you say mother of god Mary)? Even that you the Protestant sects changed to holy ghost god, just to be different from Catholics, the point is this, the Protestants do not have any sound religious foundation to think that they are better than Catholics! To borrow a line from you and it is very appropriate in this case; How can there be a fake/copy cat, except there is an original. Between the Catholic and the several sects of the Protestants, it is the Protestants that are fakes and the catholics original. But in general the fake and the original in this case, both missed the marker by a long shot.

@Davidylan: Nothing is physical in this your religion, Omo boy! Finally, the issue of Pharaoh is in Africa. Not Jewish and Sayidina Yusuf was not a Jew, but the first set of Bani Israil (Children of Israel), Duh! The who Qur'an was revealed on an Ismailite, Ha!

@Holythug:

wasnt playin or jokin i read it somewhere, and as a matter of fact am a muslim, i b liv in d 5 pillars of islam so you're NOBODY to tell me ow my hereafter will look like my work and bliv and d mercy of Allah will see me through your curses, about d one eyed maidens d beauty was derscribed but i dnt knw why they were named "one eyed maiden" but as Allah is d perfect judge, may he judge me according to my knowledge of this & 10q for your advice
Chief Justice olabowale

Thank you. But am not justice and definately not a Chief Justice. However we see that there is no place in the Qur'an that you will find 'one eyed' maiden or person, in Paradise as a reward for being in Paradise. I did not curse you and i have no ability to curse. Maybe, you behaved like a non Muslim, as per your entry then and in your entry immediately above this one. You might have read 'wide eyed,' maiden but definitely not one eyed! Allah describe things of the hereafter, using what is best in this world as example of the good of it. Even though they are not exactly the same. Between a one eyed woman and wide eyed women, all sane men will chose the wide eyed. And all sane women will like to be like her.

Look my brother, Islam is more than you and me. Allah's Messenger (as), said that Muslim ia brother to another Muslim. He further stated in a nother place that Muslims are one body. When one part is sick or hurting the whole body hurts. He further said that Muslim honor, blood and belongings are secred in the hands of other Muslim(s). During the Emirship of Abu Bakr, there were a group of Muslims who refused to pay Zakat. They said that they were Muslims and that since Muhammad had passed away, they do not have to pay the Abu Bakr.

What did Abu Bakr do; he mounted a campaign against them. He said that their rejecting a part of the tenets of Islam had removed them from the fold of islam. He fought them until they paid the Zakat to him. Yet Abu Bakr (ra), was a mild mannered person. Finally, Allah cursed those among the Muslims who were deemed lukewarm in their faith (Munafikuun). Read the beginning part of Surah Baqarah. My brother, may Allah forgive us both. May he not make us be people of littiest of faith, whereby we are counted among disbelievibg people. Amin.

My brother, let us always find ourselves on the side of the religion of Allah. Regardless of what the conditions of the Muslims are, we must never forget that it is the religion of truth. Muhammad (as) said that there will be a time that those people who worship in truth will be scared. Even then, the few will be in the majority, because Allah will be on their side. Muhammad also said that when it becomes clear that there are so much evil doers, then when you fear that you may be part of them, then go and restrain yourself, even if you have to hold to a tree trunk or bite it so hard that you are not easily swayed to join evil people. My brother, again forgive me. Do not charge it to my heart, but charge it to my head. May Allah guide us all aright!

@Dafidixone:

In truth, we all have the 4 wives in our lives:

Our 4th wife is our body. No matter how much time and effort we lavish in making it look good, it will leave us when we die.

Our 3rd wife is our possessions, status and wealth. When we die, it will all go to others.

Our 2nd wife is our family and friends. No matter how much they have been there for us, the furthest they can stay by us is up to the grave.

And our 1st wife is our Soul. Often neglected in pursuit of wealth, power and pleasures of the world. However, our Soul is the only thing that will follow us wherever we go. Cultivate, strengthen and cherish it now, for it is the only part of us that will follow us to the throne of God and continue with us throughout Eternity.

Thought for the day:

Good rythem. But in all of this, you forgot to tell us, what dies which makes 'you?' You mentioned, body, soul, wealth and family, as the four (4) wives, you did not tell us who is the husband that dies. What is the name if not body, soul, etc. How does it die and what makes it different from when it was alive.

@Focused:

A dream is generally a revelation or vision of the activities going on in the spiritual world. A dream happens when a man is sleeping and his spirit is alive. It is a scene of the occurrences in the spiritual realm.

Dream of eating in the dream, is a very bad dream indeed. it means that the devil is either introducing demons into your system or the enemy is draining your virtues. Immediately, if you wake up, you have to cancel the dream and ask the Holy Spirit to purge you and tell the devil that his instrument of attack against you will not prosper.

Before you sleep, make sure you soak yourself in the blood of Jesus.

Soaking in a blood. Is that healthy or hygienic? Dr., we need you here. It seems as if Focused has a container of blood in his house. Could you tell him how to preserve it, before it becomes to degrade and all kind of things stench and crawling things are happening inside it.

My people, your faith did not take you back to true meaning of dreams. You should have gone back to dreams which involved prophet(s), and there were foods and eating in it/them. I know Christendom does not have a clue, because everything is Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, forgeting anything about his Creator! (Did anyone remember Marshall, of the Brady bunch TV fame?). If you go back to the dreams told to Prophet Yusuf (Joseph for you the Christian), it did not necessary mean that all the participant in the dream had something evil happening to them. True dreams come from God Allah the Almighty, to guide the dreamer(s). For example the King of Egypt was able to resolve the fermine condition that was to come in the future, by preparing for it, in the period of plenty that occurred before the hard time ahead. Yusuf (as) was able to ascend to prominence by it and at the same time cleared his name about intended fornication levelled against him by the potential adulterer woman, the wife of the minister, who had purchased him as a slave.

The two servants in the prison/jail with Prophet Yusuf (as), were able to know there fates. One was beheaded and experienced humiliation, while the other was restored back into position of honor and dignity, where he was able to present Prophet Yusuf (as), as the one to solve the dream that the King dreamt. So, it is not always that there is some calamity to befall a person, in a dream where there is any food being consumed. God himself can feed a person who is fasting, in the dream. But of course, Christianity has no clue to anything. Christians never are good dreamers or dream good dreams.

Remember, Ibrahim (as) about his dream of slaughter of his son, Ismail (as)? I am expecting the locust to swamp my comments without thinking and having any tangible response,except, according to ' .' Think about that dream. He was tested because he said that he was a true believer, whereby he disbelieved every other thing that is against the Oneness and Worship of the True God the Creator. Think about it, and when you wake up from your dream, purity yourself and pray to God, asking Him to give you any and all goods that is that dream and protecting you from any and all evil in that dream.

In Islam, this is what we do. We wake up, make ablutions. Then we make two Rakah and supplicate for good and against evil of the dream.

@recadelide: The JWs are Christians, just like you the methodist or Anglican, etc! The deity of the lord and the doctrine of godhead, both of the Chrisrians are just what it is fables, fallacies, fairy tales. There is no deity other than God the Supreme Creator. And there is no godhead, what we have is God Almighty alone, in His Supreme splendor. To have anything else, is pure disbelief!

@Kalokalo: Thanks for trying:

Every human soul has 2 bodies which are the physical and spiritual bodies. Death is simply a separation of the soul (i.e YOU) from the physical body. Consciousness is still retained since you(your soul) is now existing in a spiritual body. The soul and spirit are permanent since they are immortal. The physical body is dust and nothing more. I hope that answers your question

My dear brother Kalokalo thinks he is explaining Spirit, Soul and the body of a living person. I simply asked anyone to explain to me if when soul is removed from the three, thereby we have two remaining, the spirit and body, will the person still be living? Capable of talking, eating, yawning, etc? The above is his rendition of the explanation! I also wonder if when spirit is removed and we still have soul fused with the body, will the body and soul still be a living being, capable of talking, eating etc?

First thing sir, the body helps us to interract and exist in the physical realm. When you "die" i.e when your flesh dies, you(your soul) will still continue to exist in your spiritual body. Your soul is the real you. It can also be seen as your mind, character. It is that individual consciousness that makes you unique and different from any other person on earth! Your spirit is the spiritual body that helps you exist and interract with the spirit world when out of the body. It is immortal.

In Islam, the spirit that is the breadth of life in people is soul! When a person is alive his soul is a spirit that is alive. When the soul is separated from his body, the spirit is not alive in the body anymore and of course, the person is dead and all you have is a lifeless body. In reality, soul in man is the spirit in man. Both are the same thing! Human being has just two components, body, the physical part and the spiritual part which is the soul. Both have to be attached for a person to be alive. There is no way spirit can be attached to the body, and there is no soul in the body. There is no way soul can be attached to the body, and there is no spirit in the body. Spirit and soul are just one entity! And the way it is not the flesh that dies.

@+Osisi: I just can not resist just this once;

Now have you sat to ask yourself  this very simple question.

How come Jesus asked his followers to buy a physical sword,they did not heed that command instead the Muslims not only bought swords but use it to snap the necks of their neighbours?

+Osisi, if what you just said about the followers of Jesus is true, they are either disbelievers in the messengership of Jesus, while he was with them. They must have been bunch of hypocrites! Lack sincerity! If the followers did not believe, then you must have been taking the story from the mouth of these disbelievers to mean something. The book they produced as eye witnesses must be filled with lies and deceits and fallacies. No wonder Qur'an says that it is corrupted. It is from corrupt people! No wonder the larger body of Jewry did not follow nor believe Jesus.

Now if the followers obeyed him, then you have embelished to the point that you bent the rule of truth. I do not want to say that you are telling bold face lies. I do not want any woman to be angry at me! Either way, Mrs., there is a bit of a whale of a whopper here. I think the overwhelming power of the Mob that came for Jesus was just the reason the Sword purchased did not amount to anything. If the 12  apostles, less Iscariot had put up any struggle, they would have crushed like flies! But God's plan was to extracated Jesus the way He did, so that can come back to fight the Anti Christ and 'the Jews in the battle of Amageddon.' Good night! Everyone is casting Pearls. When will some dame wear a good strand?

@Davidylan:

From the same bible you said is corrupt? There is no point casting my pearls before swine . . . interested christians can read Romans 10 and 11.

Emi o nje elede. I wo keferi/kiriyo lo nje elede. So casting your pearl is only a cliche. Yiou should not have pearls in the first place. You would not know its value. You are what you eat.

You wanna prove the authenticity of the bible, you are using Romans 10 and 11! Whats in it? You could not find anything that Jesus said, directly? Or was Jesus the author of Romans? What you have just done, which you did not even realised is that you poved by Romans to all of the readers that the Bible is corrupt; in it what could be considered as statements of God, Prophets and other people are in the Pages. If this is so, how can you therefore say it is all from God? The prophets and other people are now God? Good night my dear brother!

alhaji we are getting bored of these nonsensical statement without any proof to back it up. Allah claimed to have sent down and confirmed the torah and gospels . . . allah also claims his words can never be corrupted so our bible cannot be the copy he sent down . . . were then is allah's copy?
Produce it first or put up!

Allah never change His Message to Mankind. But when the Book of messege is left with the people after the prophet that received it as revelation, is no more with the people, the people are free to change it: The words from its original place, being replaced with now desired words and ideas. This is how it was possible for Saul/Paul for example to eradicate the value of the 10 commandments. Then the idea of 3 god persons were developed. Remember your Father god, holy ghost god and son god!

since when did muslims start dictating to christians who are biblical prophets and who are not? Besides mohammed . . . where are the other prophets of islam from the ishmealite lineage?

Ismail had greater right to Ibrahiim his father, Isiaq his baby brother, Yakub his nephew! Whats more? You are me are from Yoruba land, far away from the Epicenter of the action, unless we have to go back, to the Migration source of the Yorubas. That will be Makka! And by the way one of your Christian brother was telling me above that the Bible is only the New Testament. So in reality you only have Jesus, John son of Zachariah and his father. I do not know if you wanna claim either in your NT!

I think it was pilgrim.1 who made a very important point earlier on . . . while the bible reads like a compilation of experiences of REAL people, REAL situations, REAL and LIVING hope of salvation . . . the quran is a monotonous jumble of the incoherent rants of a false god.

Its a mercy from God that you at least say that the Bible is from 'REAL people,' compilation of experiences, etc. Yet you will conveniently tell us, when it suits your purpose that it is from God! David which one, God or real people or both at the same time? You see where your real problem lies? You can make up your mind and stay with it. You go this way and that. Always cahnging. Always a developing Pupae, but never a Butterfly!

you're simply confused. How can you make an inference "based on what Jesus said in the NT"? Were you not the one who earlier told us the bible was corrupt? Produce the gospels and Torah allah sent first!

His words here corresponded with what could be found inthe Quran. So here he Qur'an is being used as theQualifier of the Bible verses that we consider to have truth in it.

again you are making categorical statements based on a book you earlier claimed is corrupt. Show us this story in the injils allah sent.
The spirit of the antichrist working in you is reluctant to honestly state that Christ upturned the table of the money changes in the TEMPLE and not the SACRED PLAZA.

The money changer place is what I remembered from some documentary. I sincerely do not pay any mind to the Bible. So you have to pardon on my mising the place. And thanks for correcting me. Even though you could not deny my statement that Jesus disagreed with the people of the Old Testament on the rules of lending money. By the way, it is not permissable to charge interest when you lend monies. Unfortunately, the Jews are charging interest when they lend monies to the gentiles, but never between themselves. The iterest is called RIBAS. We have the same thing in Islam we call it RIBA. About Injil, go ask your Pastor. It is you who holds a corrupt book and passing it up as pure! I know better.

The same bible you earlier claimed is corrupt?

Yet, we can find some aota of truth, as we get the validation from the Qur'an!

stop making noise . . . the issue is not about garri. Bring the copy of the original bible were Muhammad's presence was very glaring.

I am not making noise. I present good argument, and all you can say is this? I used used low Garri content in full bowl of water as illustration of how difficult to get worthy verses in a Bible full of words, but carries less verses reflecting any truth from God (Revelation sent to Prophet). I could have used Obe Egusi Ijebu, which is watery from the beginning, then imagine how watery it will be when you add more water? You will even get less Egusi grains to stick on your Eba! Or should I remind you of the Lemonage in a pitcher and as you pour glasses of it but continuing adding just water, to mentain the quantity, not the quality. Soon enough you will have just a colored water, having no taste, flavor or the aroma of lemonade! This is the result of "corrupt" brewing! I can use other examples, but you are smart man. I know you finally get it!

The rest of your empty drivel is not worthy of my response.

You did not have any worthy response, so you honorably copped out!

@Davidylan:

more nonsense. When the bible accuses the Jews of unbelief it gives clear reasons. Such unbelief was even more evident in the gospels, the book of acts and in the ministeries of the apostles.

Yet you did not find it prudent to list any, from the Bible.

When the quran makes bogus claims that the jews and christians are unbelievers it gives NO proof at all neither does it attempt to explain what this unbelief is all about.

The Qur'an says that your Bible is corrupt. So we see that the handiwork of non Prophets are on it. First, in the NT, we see Acts of Apostles, 'revelation books,' and letters, and the writing and opinions of Saul/Paul. We see that your New Testament projects more than One God; father god, Son god and holy spirit god! We also see that in the Old testament based on what Jesus said in the New Testament has been modified from its original to fit the intent of rabbis and scholars and nobilities of the Children of Israel! A good illustration is the illegality of money changing practice that prompted Jesus, the gentle giant to violently overturn the table of the 'Money Changers,' in the sacred plaza.

Look alhaji, the bible does not need to make too much noise calling the muslims unbelievers. It can stand on its own . . . unfortunately the only way islam can claim credibility is by undermining christianity which is why muslims spend 90% of their time struggling to prove the bible is false or trying to insert mohammed into it. Can islam not stand on its own? Why the overwhelming need to prove the christians wrong?

No one has to prove Christianity wrong. The evidence is over whelming. Islam is different from both Judaism and Christianity in its book(s) and tenets. Muhammad is in the Bible. But it used to be very glaring, now you have to read between the lines to find it. Today the truth in the Bible is like the traces of gari remnant, in a bowl full of water. So you can imagine how hard to get any tangible amount of gari in your spoon, from the mixture of gari and the sand settled in the bottom, of a bowl full of water! Yet when the revelation was pure with the prophet who received it, it is like the newly soaked gari bowl. Then as time went on, after the many full spoons of it been consumed, finally what will remain in the bottom of the bowl, is little gari with the grains of sand. Hence it is as easy as when the bowl was just fixed to get any gari in the spoon, from the mixture of sedimented gari and sand in the bottom of a full bowl of water. Its what is called watery grave! So you see, the traces of Muhammad and any truth still in the Bible is like the small gari in the big full water bowl. But of course, the truth in the Bible is confirmed in the Qur'an. For example about God being One, in the Old and new Testaments, you will see it very clearly and it is supported by the Qur'an.

Can there be a counterfeit without an original?

Just because something is earlier does not mean it is correct or original. Counterfeit, is pegged against original. But the Qur'an is not formatted upon any Bible premise; not by chapter, or content. Do you have Suratul AL Rahmn, or Baqarah, or Waqiah, or Insan, or Alaq or please tell me which of the 114 Chapters reminds you of any in your Bible? Please, provide 1 verse that is exactly like anything in the Bible, in over 6000 verses in the Qur'an. Mrs. Nwando, before you think i am tailing you all over the places, tell me anything that Qur'an and the Bible have in common> We have One God, you in Christianity have three persons of god! We have Muhammad, Jesus son of Mary, etc. You have Jesus, and disregard Muhammad! The Jews in their Torah also disregard Jesus!

@Davidylan: And the Qur'an, over 1400 years ago and counting, made a bold claim that the Jews and the Christians are unbelievers/disbelievers. And clearly, that is still the case, today, tomorrow and till the last man on earth dies!

@Aaly2020; Good work there, my man.

Hullo, Why do you search the Bible scriptures for some truth when you Muslims declare the Bible as been tampered and changed You Muslims even claim the Bible is not the truth, but here you are using the Bible to declare it talks about Islam. Well if its a lie and changed doctrine, start seeking other ways to prove yourself.

You will agree that the Bible, I guess you are referring to the New testament here, and I do hope that your Christian brothers and sisters will follow your examples, and do not add the Old testament, which you refere to as the Toral to be part of the 'Christian Bibles!' Before I address your question, I will make the following observations about the Christian Holy book as containing the Bible (NT) and Torah (OT). Since you do not believe as the Jews, who use the Torah, why then do you have the Torah in your Holy Book along with the Bible? Why, knowing fully well that the Jews who use the Torah do not believe your lord/god Jesus is even a Prophet and therefore they are still waiting for the Messiah, do you stubbornly cling to their Torah, when they do not even rekorn with your Bible, the NT? Do you just have the Torah in their as a decoration, a show to just make your Holy book feel heavy and full instead of light and small? Why do you have what you do not believe in your Holy book? Now, as to your claim that your Bible is not true and why are the Muslims looking to find Muhammad (as) in it, I will just say this: The New testament, is what you call the Bible, so lets deal with that. You see the Qur'an says that your Bible 'NT,' is corrupted. So we see that the Epistle of the Revelations is not from Jesus, but from other folks. Saul who became Paul is a glaring example. And please do not claim 'inspiration' with me. We see that in couple of verses he said that that was his own opinions. And you do not have the original to actually cross reference whether lies had entered your "Bible,' or not! The case of your Bible is like trying to get a spoon full of gari, after you alread depleted the bowl of gari, without ever reducing the water, to keep up with the gari water ratio that you had when you began, without taking any spoon of the gari. This is the condition of your Bible of today, full pages, with the littliest of truth! And the truth that remain can only be known through referencing of similar verses in the Qur'an.

Go back to the Torah of the Jews. Nothing claims Ishmael as the promised seed. He is a slave woman, Hagar's son borne to Abraham when Sarah was childless. God promised Abraham that Sarah will bear a son and that to Isaac, his offspring is the promised seed. That seed refers to Jesus lineage. And if u check Mary's ancestors, they came from David's line. Even Joseph came from David's line. What God said about Mary was that she will be with child through the Holy Spirit, not through God's seed. It is blasphemy to even say such a thing! God is not borne by anyone! No christians claim that and neither does Christians claim that Mary was God's wife! So get your facts right.

If Hajar, a Princess from the house of King Pharaoh of Egypt, was a slave, we did not see the proof that she was captured in a War between Egypt and Ibrahiim led army! Can you show us anything about a war going on whereby she became a slave of Ibrahiim and his wife sarah? You will not and then think, Kings do not give there bloodlines to anyone as slaves! WE also know that blood ties is always on the father lineage,so it will be a misjustice of the highest order to say that Ismail do not not share in the blood of his father. Who is best to know about blood ties of a child; the father, the mother or you a disbelieving Nigerian, who would not even follow the footstep of Ibrahiim, even in the wrong precept of taking Isiaq as his 'only son!' You know that a second child can not be an only child! But all of you, your surrogate masters, the jews and you all cling to this great imagination and fantasy! I do not want to react to this fakery of yours from the Toral and the Bible!

Isaiah spoke about the Messiah, the same Messiah the Jews are waiting till today. The muslims call Jesus Isa Al Masihi! Go back to your history and find in your very QURAN it claims Jesus as the Masihi (Messiah) and they even call Jesus Ruh Allah! Read this and tell me about it - "the Qur'an calls him the Messiah (Al Masih), the Word of God (Kalimat Allah) and the Spirit [Soul] of God (Ruh Allah). (4:171,172) These supernatural descriptions and titles have caused many Muslims to seek the truth about who Jesus really is."

Thereis no reason to start spitting or foaming from the mouth. In all the ways that Allah spoke about Jesus, never once did He call him, son, or partner! If you can find it, I will leave Islam right away and worship Jesus with you. Read Surah Al Imran, Nisaa, Al Maida, Isra, Mariam and others, including Saffa, and tell me about Jesus!

Another verse - We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs [of Allah's sovereignty], and we supported him with the Holy Spirit [ar-Ruh-al Qudus]," (Surah 2, Al-Baqarah, The Cow: 87).
About the proclaimation that Jesus is the Messiah, refer to Surah 3:44 which says - And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah). (45) He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous.
Notice in Surah 3:32 Allah proclaims this - Lo! Allah preferred Adam and Noah and the Family of Abraham and the Family of 'Imran above (all His) creatures. Who is Imran? Mary's father right? Christians know him as Joachim, husband of Anne. They are from the lineage of Isaac, not Ishmael.
Well start seeking your own Quran and find those words "We" that Allah says in most of His sentences. e.g.
Surah 2:33-34 :
And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever. (34) And We said: O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and eat ye freely (of the fruits) thereof where ye will; but come not nigh this tree lest ye become wrong-doers.
Notice the "WE" in this verses?
Surah 2 : 38
But they who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful owners of the Fire.
notice the "Our" in this verse?
Surah 2 : 48
And (remember) when We did deliver you from Pharaoh's folk, who were afflicting you with dreadful torment, slaying your sons and sparing your women: that was a tremendous trial from your Lord.
Notice the "We" again in this verse?
Surah 2 : 50 - 52
And when We did appoint for Moses forty nights (of solitude), and then ye chose the calf, when he had gone from you, and were wrong-doers. (51) Then, even after that, We pardoned you in order that ye might give thanks. (52) And when We gave unto Moses the Scripture and the criterion (of right and wrong), that ye might be led aright.
Notice the "WE" a couple of times here again?
So tell me why did Allah proclaim "We" so many times in just 1 surah that i read? Does this not claim the Trinity? God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit? DOn't be mistaken that the trinity is God, Jesus and Mary! It is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

If the we means plurals in individual enties, like the head counts, as you are making it to mean Trinity, then tell me how come Allah says what he say in Surah Al Maida about Jesus on the say of Judgement? Tell me why Allah says that He will send all those who say Allah has a son to Hellfire in Surah Mariam? Tell me why did Allah simply call part of the responsibility of Jesus as announcer of the coming Messenger whose name is Ahmad, in Surah Saffa? You have a big explanation to give!

I did not read the Quran to seek Christianity and its truth but I seeked to question its own verses as claimed by you Muslims, is the original WORD of God.

I did not see the Jews reading The Bible, 'New testament,' to seek Judaism. I as a Muslim never would read the Bible 'New testament,' to seek validation of Islam, nor do I read the Qur'an to seek Christianity in it! I know better and I am sticking to Islam!

Thus, its not like the Christians simply read the Bible without questioning it and asking God. Its time the muslims also read the Quran and question God who is our Loving Father of Nabi Adam's family lineage. In the end we shall meet at judgement day but notice the Quran claiming the reward is with the People of the Book as well ?

Your biggest problem is that you question your Creator! The boldness of you will lead you to go straight to hell! In Islam we do not question God. Allah says that it does not befit a believer to have any opinion on any matter after He and His messenger have decided a matter. The believer simply says I hear and i obey, I seek your forgiveness! Then you say that God is your father, we Muslims are very different from you. You rejected a prophet and you elevated another and then you reduce the prominence of another! You are never constant in belief!

Read this - Of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (The Noble Quran, 3:113-114)"
"And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], those who believe in God, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to God: They will not sell the Signs of God for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account. (The Noble Quran, 3:199)"

Both refer to the Christians and Jews, who convert to Islam! Not dying as Jew or Christian! If you think you have any reward thinking that you can say that Jesus is god, son of god and still qualify for paradise, and you are justifying your position by the Qur'an, you better be ready for jahannam! The fire is waiting to consume Mushrikuum, kafiruun and Munafiquun.

So shall we debate on it? professionally?

InshaAllah, I am ready for yah.

Na wa for these muslims o,first,Deut8:18=mohammad,next mohammad=Holy Spirit/comforter,then mohammadin mentioned in hebrew's bible of song of solomon 5:16,now isiah's prophesy=mohammad. I hope you people wont bring mohammad out of sango and ogun too at this rate

Please my man, tell us about the characteristics of Holy spirit, comforter, and then go and read the Sirah of Muhammad, hadith and Sunnah and Qur'an, which Muhammad (as) was dubbed as the walking person of. (Muhammad the WALKING QUR'AN)! Got milk?

I will love to live as long as God Almighty will permit me to live, in good stength. With complete faculty of course, having the body and mind of a 40 year old, still. I would love to have my great, great, great grandchildren and all my people, who am older than still alive. I would love to have propagate Islam to uncountable peoples, and that Millions have accepted through my effort, and by so doing they would have started their own dynasty of Islamic families. Then finally to die, while I am in Prostration to my Lord the Cherisher, in Salah! Thats my hope. May Allah the Grantor of Prayers accepts it and grants it for me. Amiin.

@Hannydarl, holythug and +Osisi:

babs, we are not saying nations serving Jehovah in the old testament never fought wars oor destroy those whom they see as a threat to their religion even Jesus himself was a victim and nobody is judging islam based onn the past wars nations practicing it fought. I think most people mistake those events as christian desrtoying others. the jews and some other sects don't believe christ has come that was why jesus died. We are saying that true christians never lay hands on their neighbour not only were ther good to fellow christian but non christians alike they spread the gospel and never killed anyman who rejected it. they were peace loving and they obeyed the laws of any foriegn land they ventured into. From the word go christianity was peaceful and it encourages peace to this day if i may say can you relay any event of violence carried out by christians shouting Jehovah is great,Jehovah is God on the streei with a victims head or sucide bombing, mercy killing,kidnapping,murder from the yr2000 to this day?Compare the statistics to that of muslims even killing other sects of muslims as blood letting has entered their bones compare and tell me why a peace loving individual will not believe muslims are trained to be violent in defending anything be it religion,property or sharia law.The world wont believe that your imams thaught you peace when all the products from his school are violent. show the world how peaceful muslims realy are and we will have faith in you guys again as our peace loving brothers and neighbours.YOu can't just say you denounce acts of violence when every day we listen to the news the main headlines are violent acts carried out mainly by muslems on innocent citizens and people who have done tham no harm.

Hannydarl, know that the God of the Old testament, was the God of the New testament and still the God of the lastest testament, the Qur'an. He ordained fights for the people of the Old testament. He did not ordained it to the people of the New testament and He ordained it for the people of the lastest testament! (When I said people here, I simply mean the prophet/messanger and his companions, at that time, all the way through the generation, before the deviations/corruptions began to sip in through into the revelations; eg as the OT before NT and NT before LT (Qur'an)).

However, you do realised that Jesus commanded his companions/followers to sell their 'cloaks,' and purchase instead 'sword,' instead with the proceed. Sword was the Bunker buster bomb of that time. So the meekness of Jesus is what you want us to believe, we believe it already. But the truth is known. All one has to do is to read the passages relating to it in your NT! However, we see that the Christians, when in power, from the inception of that religion, are always hell bent to force people to change, as if they have a mandate to do so. All you have to do to prove me wrong is to see the videos on Google about "Christian Missionary atrocities," all over the world, including their on going efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq, to name a few of Muslim societies they have invaded with their 'fake religion of truth,' where you have no choice to say no, when they have upperhands!

Shall we start with the peaceful Christian eras in history, since its 2000 plus years of beginning? During Jesus time, even though he was not a Christian, but since you borrowed his name for your religion, hence the analytical presentation: He commanded his companions/immediate followers to buy swords/ammos with the sales of their clothing/properties. Maybe for all out war/battle against the unbelievers of his mission. We already know about Moses and the OT companions. Both conditions were okay with me, because they must have been under the direct commandments of God!

But we see Christians engaged in Inquisitions against the Islamic Spain that had brought Europe out of the coma of civilization and enlightenment that she had fell in! We see Crusades mounted many times against Islamic Palestine. We see the hordes of invading colonizers, who grabbed, looted, stolen, carted away, oppressed and indeed raped our people. Today, the Fante subgroup of Akan tribe of Ghana are mockingly/jokingly called White blood of Ghana!

My dear sister, is there a peaceful Christian society, available today that you can point to me or ever there was one, without a conquering and Spreading the 'Word,' mission idea? How will the Algerian Muslims feel about the Christian France, which was determined to destroy as much as they could, when the former embark on her struggle for freedom? Tell me about the feeling of the Tunings under the Italians, or the Egyptians under the French and then the English? What about African Zaire, Congo under the French Belgian murderers? Are these oppressors not Christians and did not read the Bible while doing the oppressions? Look at the hooties and tootsies of the 1990s. The French missionaries behaved as if the black 'servant/house keepers,' who had just dragged out and loaded their belongings on the rescuing transportation machines, were like filth to them! Yet they wore their religious garbs, showing no mercy at all. I am not saying that the Muslims fair better, but do not recluse the Christians from the people who are doing evil.

what about d one eyed maidens . . .av heard about them in al janaa
can u continue wit your wife if u still oove her in al jaanat

Holythug, true to your name. You will not find defectiveness in what Allah creates for people of Jannah. Your one eyed person is in Hellfire. You will find her there. Surprise, surprise, you will not be able to touch her. You will going through the punishment of hell and anything to relieve you is forbidden anyhow. It all torture, all the time. If you and your wife are people of jannah, and you are the only man she knew, then there is no reason for your relationship not to continue. Remember, she is not your property here and she is never going to be your property in Paradise either. Muslim women/wives have feminist freedom that the Western women are yet to attain, even if the burn their complete set of under garments, going beyond burning the bras. Thats easy and its nothing anyhow. The Muslim women must always have their family name even while married. they can add or not add the husband's name. There are also women who will go to jannah, while their husband will end up in hell. Who will be their means of enjoyment as men have theirs in the Houris women. They will have their choice from men of Paradise.

so what is the lot of a true moslem wife who is not so favourd by her husband? does the fate of a true Muslim wife concerning paradise lie in the hands of her husband?if Allah is a just god he will judge both male and female moslems by himself.

Allah is a just God. And only judges. He will judge men and women alike, in the common responsibilities and alike in the separate responsibilities according to gender. So a wife who is a good Muslim may be in higher level of Paradise than her husband. Her husband may not even be in Paradise. The woman who believes and marry a believing husband does not have to fear her husband, because her fate is with Allah the Supreme Creator!If she does her duty as a creation of Allah, as a wife of her husband and a mother to her children and a daughter to her parents and a relation to her relatives and a good neighbor to her neighbors, then she should not be in any distress. The husband has his responsibilities, also just as the wife's listed above and then some. If he is a bad husband, disobeying Allah, she does not have to follow him and indeed she can institute a divorce proceedings on the ground of any of whatever she sees to be the reasons for wanting out of the marriage.

Allah says Muslim wives that disobey their husbands get a one way ticket to hell that's after the demons have urinated in her eyes on earth.

+Osisi. Amebo, mebo, mebo, mebo. Na you sabi! You already missed the boat to experience how good a Muslim man is anyway! Lol! Unless Mr. Nwando, and you wholesale change from Kufr to people of Iman haqquh. A believing woman who disobey her husband in her husband's disbelieving will go to Paradise, while the husband will go to Hellfire. Take the case of Asia (Ashiawu, in Yoruba, Hausa, and other west african pronunciations). She was married to the tyrant Pharaoh of Prophet Moses! She was a believer and advocated that her husband stopped and changed his evil way. The husband impailed her on a pike of Palm tree to die. She is from the people of Jannah and her husband, Pharaoh (Lanatullahi alal Kafiriin) is from the people of Hellfire. The fate of everyone as to Paradise or Hellfire is first and foremost, Believing in Oneness of the Creator, while disbelieving every other things else. This is what we call Hanif. The hanifs are hanifans, Muslims, Mumins. A good example was Prophet Ibrahiim (AS)! Second is to follow the tenets of worship as laid out in the revelation given to and the Sunnah of the prophet which under his mission time you live. The mission time of Jesus ended as the mission time of Muhammad began. hence all the Jews, Christians of today are Kafiruun, just as we see the Hindu, Buhhdist Mushrikuun. They are the same thing; people of hellfire!

@Dafidixone:

Baba Agabalagba have yopu heard that version of the Muhammad life before? The desert Warrior. Do you know that Muhammad travel and he worshiped in some jewish temple and in Roman temples.

He must have gotten the whole idea of improving on the god of his dad "Abdulah" meaning "servant of allah." Since Muhammad father was the only one who worship that allah among every other gods in Kaaba. He choose to use force. He enforced allah by bringing and innovation imported from Jewish scrolls and Romans worship (Rostary counting from Rome)the Jewish(Abraham sacrifice from the Jew) (Isreal History).

Let me pause for your response egbon debo oya!

You are just telling about the 'desert warrior,' who worshipped in Jewish and roman temples in his travels. Where were these Jewish and Roman temples located and what period in the life of the Young Muhammad did he do these travels? When he was a little boy under Abi Talib, his Uncle or when? Or is it the time he commanded the Commercial caravan of Khadijah? Or is there another time before he became a prophet or is it after he became a prophet? Defidixone, awon to fun e ni odu yen, Odu soga lo ye ki won ma pee! Tell me the period in the life of Muhammad and i will read it from the many seerah sources that i can get in a jiffy!

Muhammad lost his father before he was born, duh! So your statement was completely off the mark about his father and worship! Jews and Islam? hardly no commonality. Finally Ibrahiim was not a Jew, because he was a tribal man from Iraq, prior to his emigration. I am a Yoruba person, and I will die a Yoruba, regardless of which land I dies in! So Ibrahiim did not lose his ethnicity, even though the Jewish tribe is truly culled out from the Children of Judah, who was the son of Jacob, who was the son of Issac, who was the son of Ibrahiim. Now, tell me how can great great grandfather be from the ethicity of his great great grandson? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Those who use tesbr bead links to make their supplications may not be using it all the time. it is not a compulsory thing that they must use it. Even though I do not use it, but I have no opinion on it. I do not see it as a deviation from the part of true worship! Islam is progressive. Since it does help people to count correctly, since they have so much to count, then I think it makes it easy for them to accomplish their objectives.

@+Osisi:

Alhaji,it looks like Christ is knocking at the door of your heart.
You've been appearing at unrelated threads to ask off topic questions.
Just kneel beside your bed and say Yes to him.
He is ready to accept you today

My darling +Osisi, sometimes you fell like nuts! This is my Almond joy moments. I have time to kill between business engagements. Every Prophet, is always knocking at the door of my heart. They are means of reminding me of my Lord the Creator. So I stick with the last of them, whose message abrogated what ever it abrogated in the previous messages of the prophets before him (AS jami'a). I do not kneel beside any bed, unless there is a war going on and i do not take prisoner! All my kneeling is done when I make salah: Inna salatul wa nusuki, wa mayay wa mamat, lillahi rabbil allamiin, Laa sherikallah, wa bi zhalika humirtu wa anna awalul Muslimi. I am a pure Muslim, my soul, my heart and the whole of my body testify to the Oneness of my Creator and I submit my will, willingly to Him. Then I continue to seek His mercy. Supplicate to Him for guidance and success, in this life, in the grave and in the day that is certain!

Join me, you and your husband and your future children in worshipping this Supreme and Irresistible awesome Creator!

@Davidylan:

But for the crusades, all of Europe would be under the swords of the slaves of allah. Sir, you really know nothing about Islam . . . if you did you would take one look at Pakistan, Iraq, Sudan, Palestine . . . and hide your head in shame.

You even know less about world history that my little knowledge of islam! Crusades were incursions, led by the nobilities of France to Jerusalem. And they mounted such campaigns many times. Finally, salahudiin crushed them. I think you are mistaking the Spanish Inquisition under Queen Isabella and King Fernado of Spain for Crusade! You only mentioned four countries out of 180s in the world. I wished your 'White slave masters,' of Europe and her offshoots will. in their arrogance with money, wealth and military power, will stop medling in the affairs of the Muslims and stop their divide and conquer tactics, with their dangling of Carrots and petty monies in the pockets of the hypocritical leaderships of the Muslim communities around the world. I know it is long time before your time, when the movie titled Lawrence of Arabia played in the theaters around the world! It was the divisive tactics of 'England,' in the divide and conquer trick that was used to kill off the Kalifate (caliphate), under the Ottoman Turks. The hypocritical Arabs swallowed the tricks of the British overlords, whereby they forgot that Muslims are brothers; The blood, the honor and property of one Muslim is sacred with another. See the root of the problems of the 'Muslim,' is within the devilish gimmicks of the enemies of Islam, eg, the lilly white disbelieving Christians! they are always plotting the disunity of Islamsic people and the fools who hold powers among this nation, fall for it. They fear the Currencies, economies and militaries of the Kufar, but with heedless hearts forget their Creator!

How many jews are left in Mecca and Medina "where islam is currently dominating"?
How many jews and indigenous peoples were left after the hordes of allah invaded Jerusalem and northern Africa?

As for Makka and Madina (Correct spellings Dave), Allah prohibits the matter of Makka and His Messenger (as) prohibits the matter of Madina. I have nothing to do with it. See, even president Bush is not allowed in either, even though, he is the darling of the Al saud family! Like I said, if the Muslims had truly been routless as you had indicated, there would have been any Jews and non Muslims left standing these places you mentioned. Ask the Moroccans, they will tell you that a good numbers of Jews hold Morocco Passports! But prior to Islam of Muhammad (as), there were no Jews in Makka. It would have been too harsh for them. They love easy pastures, full of wealth and glory. So they were indeed in Madina, with the hope that the 'Prophet,' who will come from Madina, will come from them! Surprise!

There are indeed a few jews left in muslim nations but we all know they are but dhimmis. NONE of them can ever aspire to hold public office . . . indeed it is an offence for a jew to fly to Iran and foreigners with Jewish stamps on their passports are regularly refused entry to Iran.

If you check out the Portfolio Manager of Yassir Arafat, he was nothing less than a Jew, not in America, but in Israel! Go back to history and check the honoring/high positions that the Jews occupied in Islamic Andalusia, etc and indeed the Sultanate in Turkey! How did you think that the Zionist were able to buy so much land in the 1900s of Palestine? David, I will teach you world history and then Islamic enlightenments over Europe! Do not forget the Hundreds of thousands and indeed millions of Palestinians who have been made refugees since the creation of Israel, the people of your lord! Can these Palestinians go back home? No! What about the Walls meadering around the Palestinian neighborhoods, the humiliations the Palestinians have to endure, everyday to get from point a to point b. Depriving them even simple necessities like water, etc? This is even worse than Steve Biko's Pre 1977 South Africa Apartheid! I pray God will raise another Randall Robinson of TransAfrican Inc, for the Palestinian cause.

These are facts that lazy muslims need to check up before making noise.
Sir, is Isreal not the jewish homeland? Does it belong to your arab masters?

Except that your facts are really fables or fairy tales! The land is called Palestine, still. However there is a state of Israel in it. So will be, InshaAllah state of palestine, side by side to it. David, as a person of religion, Allah is my true Master. All the prophets are also my masters under that. Even the prophets are not my masters as in the same way that I am a slave/servant of Allah. The prophets are also in that servant/slave relationship with Allah! So the Arabs are not my masters and I do not have a true human master, be it individually or ethnically! Unlike you who chose a man as 1/3god that you serve him , along with father god , who is also the second 1/3 and then you have this passive last 1/3 god, which is dubbed the holy spirit! (What does the holy spirit do again, apart from being one of the 3 that witness in heaven and what else?). Will he be part of those who Judge or forgive?

@Kolokalo:

Why do the ignorant find it difficult to understand that God is a trinity when man himself is a trinity? Man exists in 3 different manifestations namely body(flesh), spirit and soul. Since both christian and islamic scriptures agree that we are made in God's image, it is LOGICAL to trace our triune self to our creator Himself since He too exists in 3 different manifestations which includes flesh(Jesus) and spirit (Holy Spirit).

Now the question is: since we are triune beings, are we 3 different people or just ONE person? if you can answer this question, you will understand the term "TRIUNITY"

But do not have that word, 'Trinity,' in your Bible! Do you? If you have it, please present the Chapter and Verse. And sine you claim that man is three parts, 'Trinity,' could you tell us if the spirit is out of the body, as to have 'died,' will the Body and soul still be alive, in that man? That is, can the man be able to run, jog, eat, talk, etc?

Then if it is the soul is out of the body, as to have 'died,' will the body and spirit still be alive, in that man? That is, can the man be able to run, jog, eat, talk, etc? What am trying to find out from you is this if you have 2 out of three, the body being the constant part, in every situation, can you have a live person, still?

And what is the difference between Soul, and Spirit? Can you define them and provide quantumfiable charactistics of each? Are they the same and just having more than one name. Could you sincerely tell me a Muslim, who the person of 'Spirit,' is and who the person of'soul,' is? If do not know it, them or the differences, there is no calamity. Thank you.

@Stillwater:

Do I sense unhappiness or preferably anger?

You sensed neither unhappiness nor anger. My Legal representatives are Jews. And so are some of my corporate executives. But the truth be told, my sister!

@Dafidixone:

Powerful is the Word of God

To the children of Israel. Remember the 12 wells/drinking places of the Children of Israel? Each drinking place to each nation? As the 12 nations, remember, uh? There goes your "hypothesis," of nations! It is nothing but the 12 tribes (nations0 of Israel descendants; the benjamite, the Judahrites, before they absorb every one else in the blanketedly known name of Jew!

@Bobbyaf:

Does the author of the books know the future? The bible's author is God who has declared the future. What say the Q'uran? Has it made significant predictions that we can definitively say have come to pass?

Declare thyself Moslems!

Yet, as the Bible author is God, we see the personal statements and opinions of mere mortals! We read that Paul himself cajole/captivated his audiences with his own opinions and letters, girating from this to that, just to fit his intentions with the audience! Yardee, if this is 'Purely' God's, then please pick up the Qur'an and read! I know Jamaicans, they are not timid people and you should not, too! 'Read, in the name of your Lord, who Creates!'

@Olowo tee: I have soft spot for some of the Christians. davidylan is my favorite. He knows it to. Then +Osisi, even though she is hard headed, but less hard headed than Dave. But your prayer on me goes to the dustbin!

@Davidylan:

I see Olabowale is as usual trying to avoid answering the question: Where in the bible did Abraham worship as a muslim?
What is the Abrahamic religion?

O mo wipe Ibrahiim ki se Kiriyo, abi? So why ask why! Look to the life  of Ibrahiim and compare it to that of Christians and then compare it to that of the Muslims. First, Christians hate sacrificing. Muslims love sacrificing, the Sunnah of Ibrahiim. Afterall, he obeyed his God Almighty and willingly intend on sacrificing his 'Only son,' which was ransomed. Hence, the Ileya sacrifice of the Muslims. Omo Yoruba nie, so ma so Yoruba sie. I will wait for your rebuttal, rather your showing that he is a Jew or christian, either by tribe or by religion. When I said tribe, I was only referring to the Jewish tribe and you know he was from a tribe before he emagrated out of Iraq! And there was no Jew until Judah's sons forcibly absorbed the other 11 tribes from the Children of Israel! But when i said religion, I meant Judaism and Christianity as religions. He was neither of them! Both of them came after he had passed on.

I have not used the Qur'an to explain the issue here, have I?

@Imhotep:

Jesus Our Lord knows human nature too well. Thank Him for telling Peter (Matthew 16:18): "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church", He settled our confusion long in advance

The word 'CHURCH,' could never have been mentioned by Jesus son of Virgin Mary! Considering that it was not in the Jewish vocabulary of his time and not even in it, still. Finally considering that he was not 'come,' to destroy the laws of Moses, how then could Church be anything Jesus talked about? It is impossible and you know it!

@Dafidixone:

@ Olabowale,

I have not said in any of my posting that I knew Abiola personally. I heard from a close relation of him about the post. True or False that is not the issue here.
The center point of everything here is that you will be redeemed from darkness into light. Isn't that a good news to you?

Iadmire your courage man. I did not know the man personally. But I know his children, from one of the mosr senior wives (With Islamically legal numbers; within 1-4). Enough said about it!

I have a story, both of fire and housing collapse. In both cases the Qur'an did not have a single bruise in the fire and in the effort of the fire fighter trying to stop the inferno with water. As I was permitted to inspect the damaged house, right inside the ruins, I was able to pick up my Qur'an, and smelled it; to the touch it was dry and there was no sign of being inside the inferno. As I removed it, and left the house, the whole house engulfed again and burnt to the ground!

The second incidence was a Masjid collapsing. In all of the ruins, there was no single dust that settled on the stack of Qur'ans on the shelves. Also amazing was that there was none of the wall hangings with Allah's name, Muhammad (as) or any Verse of the Qur'an fell down, eventhough the whole roof caved in. And finally there was no real injury on any person, that could be considered serious enough. Places was a house in Newark NJ in the very early 90s and the Masjid is Masjid Al Salaam in Jersey City in 99! Both cities are in the state of New Jersey, USA.

Am already in the Light of Guidance! What do i need 3 in one god(s) for? I humble myself in humility, as much as I can, right now, before my Creator. What do I need to arrogantly set up parttime god, 1/3 god, son god, Messiah god, Prophet god, son of man god, son of Virgin god for between me and my Creator? It is you who is scared silly out of your skin to go directly/talk to your Creator. I am not, because my God the Creator is approacheable and willing to listen to lsiten to His creation.

Even though you claimed to be son of god, you are scared of your father god, so you set up a son god to mediate between the two of you. I on the other hand, a slave do not have such a scare. God Himself emboldened me and permits me to talk directly to Him! See the difference? The case of Abiola is closed and I as his brother in Islam ask Allah the Almighty, who has full power of forgiveness to forgive him. Amiin. Just as He forgave those who He had forgiven, of old!

+Osisi:

God speaks to us in dreams and by the same token,the enemy can use the same medium.
Christians ought not be consumed by all this.
Eating,sex,swimming are part of human lives so we can also do them in dreams.
wake up daily and cover yourself in prayer and commit yourself to God.
He is able to break every yoke.
He whom the son sets free is free indeed.

Stop this 'sex' thing. Its all over the place. Seriously, now that you have separated God from Jesus, we know there are two (2), distinct entities. So from your statement I read that Christian should 'cover self with prayer and commitment to God,' because God is able to break every yoke. But immediately we read that 'whom the son sets free is free indeed!' Please explain the differences here. Who has more power, if we have to say that the power in question is absolute?

Finally, which one will you chose, if you have to chose one and not two? My dear, I want your direct answer and not Chinua Achebe Story line. Lets leave story telling to the literalists. I want facts.

This man babs787, is a true believer in his Creator. This shows that iddayah comes to peoples breast, by the Mercy of Allah. The best out of islam are always the best in Islam. It shows that Iman is not based on how long you have been practicing Islam. It is your piety and God consciousness of the heart that indicate the gradiation of believe.

Here in America, the reverts to Islam are the better in worship than the people born into islamic family, who aften take this religion of Success for granted! May Allah continue to increase you in faitha nd knowledge my brother Babs. May Allah indeed increase all of us in faith and knowledge. Amiin.

Am not a Christian, but please permit me to post this achillies heel of Bible Verses: From The Old Testament, Deut. 6 Verse 4. And from New Testament, Mar. 12 Verse 29. Both Verses are declaring that God Almight the Creator is One God. No two or three or godheads or godpersons or god personalities. JUST ONE GOD, period!

@Dafidixone: Baba d Holiness, you said? Whats Dlab Dwale? Thats from the Bible, because aint nothing like that in the Qur'an. I guess you are trying to spell my name. I wo on se omo Karo a jiree ni? Its spelled OLABOWALE! I am enjoying yor follies, but waiting to read your Phantom of the Opera, of the 'stolen page!'

@Defidixone:

I think all you need to do is leave everthing to God I am not going to do it. God will do it.  After all Abiola beleived in Bible before he died and here is a man that sponsored capsizing of Bible Ship to Africa in those days.  Relax God is in Control

You were there when Abiola (ra) died? You knew him well? You are a liar and you know it. You are not from him family and you do not know anyone who is close to him. Everyday, I do talk to some of him family members, from the rank of his first 10 Children. They all dispute your Christian assertions! Have shame and guard your tongue about lies against the dead.

Abiola went to Baptist Grammar School, in Abeokuta. With all of that, he remained a Muslim, throughout his life. Only liars would say that he believed in the Bible before he died! Whatever his supposed 'punishment,' God, InshaAllah had forgiven him, because of what his so called "Muslim brothers,' the likes of Evil genius Babangida, Abacha and Abdulsalaam had done to him. These people should have known that to oppress anyone is evil and to oppress their own brother in Islam is a greater evil.

Finally, InshaAllah, your prayer towards me that my Creator considers to be evil in the matter of true belief in Him, will not rise beyond your lips. May Allah accept my prayer of goodness towards you! I am what we call in Islam a Dhayy (Islamic propagator). I have no need for disbelive and I will never be in that rank, Amiin.