₦airaland Forum

@Nwando: God's own country? What happened to the country that gave your bloodline its character? where you received, almost all the education you ever have? That belongs to the devil now? Don't sell your people short, my dear! Every land belongs to God Almighty. No one will enter paradise or condemn to hell, because of his or her country or gender. At least these and color of your skin and many others are irrelevant to God. It is your God Consciousness and obedience to His commandments and laws and doing good for His pleasure are the qualities that will matter to God! Don't be naive.

The whole of Igboland is mine to capture, by the will of Allah God the Almighty. He is the Lord of the Igbos and well as the Americans. there is no true discrimination with Him about these two lands. I will make plenty of Igbo men and women, Muslims. You my friend, I can see you prostrating your face now, you and your beau and your children and the rest of the extended family. Allahu akbar kabira, will be beautiful from your lips

Allah, Who gave Muhammad victory over Makkans, without shedding any blood in the conquest, will make Igboland Islamic. It is easy for Him

@Nwando and davidylan: Here and now. Hear ye, oh my people in Christianity: Your Bible is a watershed from its original. Its like a completely tasteless, liquid that was lemonade, before it encounter its so many dilutions! Though, it has a somewhat cloudy color, but it has lost a great deal of its lemonade taste and its lemony fragrance. Could you sincerely call that lemonade? The answer is no. Can a naive and innocently ignorant fellow takes it as a good quality lemonade? Yes, if all he has ever tasted is always the watered down batch, and never had tasted a good make of the stuff before.

Ojibi jibi, this is for you my friend.

@Somze: Please tell me how do you deal with issues od adultery and or fornication, in Christianity? Then compare that with authentic jurisprudence of how Islam is coded about it. I know that you are in Nigeria. We are not talking about Nigerian's one sided and emotional version of it. I am asking you to check out Qur'an and hadith/sunnah to compare it with your Gospel.

Further, if she is your sister, will you be happy that she is having relationship with somebody, that may or may not marry her? Worse, he may malign her and destroy her reputation and chances for a good relationship of marriage with somebody else. While this guy is blocking the right guy, he is neither going out or truly coming in! Again, you prove my point; is either you are selfish, that you do not care what happen to her, since she is not your blood, or you have no shame, you will not care what happens to your sisters reputation anyhow.


@Nwando; I know plenty. You are just talking like putting up a front. You are me are good friends. how can you be a friend to Devil. Unless you are one?

How ya buddy any how?

If you are serious about her, then there should be no sex before marriage. Further, you should go and learn about Islam and convert, before you marry her. Thats the greatest achievement. If she is from my family, you will have to deal with me, if you go out of the boundaries set by Islam.

@Davidylan: Have you heard about the hadith, which says that if the heart is spiritually unhealthy, the whole body is unhealthy? Thats just a hadith. The Qur'an abounds in spirituality. It talks about the heart, the eyes and ears of disbelievers, though physically functioning, but spiritually dead. The whole Qur'an is about encouraging people to do good and shun evil. There are stories to support the arguments.

The point is this, you and me are friends. I want you to finish your exams, and then we will have a very hearty conversation. You may also call me this thanksgiving holiday. I can wait to hear your voice. I know yourTiger is untamed. I have plenty of raw meat to quell the growling.

I wish you well on all that you do.

@Olowo Tee: Per your prayer group's goal, my question is this, who is the altimate answerer of your prayer, God or Jesus? I want an answer fro you, because you have christianized the group. So give me your answer from the prizm of christianity, because you have made it very difficult for me, who is not a christian to join. Although, you were calling all nairalanders. It would have been honest if you have specified the group you had in mind without mincing word.

@Davidylan: Finally. You bite. So could not resist. I thought the Bible has solution to everything? Very simple matter, you can deal with it. When you are me get together, I will teach you everything, the Bible did not touch up on. Just remind me. Like you said, even how to sneeze!

@Davidylan: Since the Bible has answers for everything under the sun, please tell me what the Bible teachs and comments about the ettiquette of entrying, using and exiting the Bathroom? That should be very simple enough. I have tons of questions for you and i hope the Bible resolves each and every on eof them.

@Backslider: Somewhere earlier, in another thread, one of the Christians called me a child of the devil. Here, you called even a prophet of Allah, a devil or possessor of demon! Wow, there is no limit to the evilness and tactics of evil that man will not employ
Just to win an argument and make others look bad.

As I remember, backslider, your family, specifically your father is still a Muslim. Don't you know that you have him in this group that you so violently oppose?

Have you taken into account that if you die and you are on the side of the losing time, that the consequence is dire? Please be careful and just do not write what is not true. That in itself is a great sin.

@Koladz; Sarah. Thats a very beautiful name. The original bearer of the name, Sarah, was a wife of an upright believer in One God.
She believed with her husband. Her husband, Ibrahiim, started out from a culture that worshipped idols. But had a purpose for him.
So he, Ibrahiim, packed up with his family and even his nephew, Lut, and left his native land. His purpose was to find the true way to worship God.
In the end, he found the proper way to worship his Creator. It was not easy and it was not an overnight thing.

Your husband, even though, he seems to you to be a lukewarm Muslim, or even less than that, is on his way to a renaissance/revival. If you are my
sister, i will advise you to be patient with him. To encourage him to improve in his duties to keep his responsibility to you. It seems to me that you are saying that you carry more responsibility of the family than him. His action is more of his culture, and its very little about Islam. But give him the chance
to grow. He will in time turn to be a good man, that your heart will be able to be happy about.

Religious difference, should not be a reason, for you to be fed up with love. It should be the reason for you to love him, even the more.
Imagine him still drinking and carrying on bad behaviours? By now, either one of you or both of you is having health issues, and even possibly, worse.

In due time, you will see a great improvement in him. The fact of the matter is that you are now spending more time at home, on a one on one basis.
This is a great opportunity to learn about each other.

About the choice of names for your future children, am sure you will appreciate that even in Christianity, it is the father that has more traditional right to name the children. It is a great thing that you are married and will not be having children out of wedlock. This is a plus on the character of both of you.
However naive his action might have been with you, it was a great start and you have to improve with him, from there.

What is interesting here, is that there are many whites, men and women accepting Islam, without any love interest for doing so. Even if love is the interest for it, that is not to make light of that great improvement. God can use any process has He wills to improve any live.

I was involved with Christian woman before. Now, I am married to a former Christian. I have a great live with her. You should look at how your end will be
a great end. In this life and after death. You are still young, but that should make you naive of death. Islam guarantees a path to ultimate success.
You are at least by your own effort, your own ambassador, before God. You are not foolishly hanging your salvation or success, with God on some other
person.

No bearer of burden will bear the burden of another soul (RUH/Nafs). My dearest sister, you can email me and instant message me. I am here to support you. Do not let the deceiver deceive you. Not all that glitter is Gold. Most are fools gold. They look good, but has no weight.

My email is aqeedahfirst@yahoo.com, or lfhb_maw@hotmail.com, and my YM is lfhb_maw.


MAY GOD ALMIGHTY GIVE YOU STRENGHT and MAKE YOU VICTORIOUS, ALONG WITH HIM and YOUR FUTURE CHILDREN.

@Nwando: I went to your Khaled's answering islam website. Below is what your beef is? It is not a problem, for any muslim. Even to an unlettered muslim like me. The first thing you should get into your mind, is that Qur'an, is an oral document. You do not have to know how to read letters before you can recite it. A good illustration, is a baby who is a reciter at the age of say, between 4 and 6.

Secondly, there is room for dialect or accent accomodation. For example, an asiatic reciter, from India will say va instead of wa. Yet he sees wa in his Qur'an. The Yorubas and so many of the west african tribes will say sa instead of sha. Yet what they see in the Qur'an is sha. Khaled, through to his sleight of hands gimmick as a magician, is trying to keep you and the likes of you in ignorance, which in the end will lead to hellfire.

He knows, as an arab, that wa, fa, qaf are represented by the same letter. The arabs of macca and madina, during Muhammad (as), the primary audience, did not need the vowel and pronounciation as to enlongate the arabic character to know what it is and what is before or waht is after.

It is the same thing with you, if some one is writing igbo, whether in shor t hand or without the accent, you will not have difficulty to understabd, the word and what word follows or after it.

I will IshaAllah analyse this difficulty that khalid, the magician has conveniently put forward to continue keep you on the side of the group that will definately fail in the day of judgement. Yes, it is true that you are not a fighetr, but your love is not without condition. For not being a fighter is your gimmick. You carry a big ammonition in your heart and i will not be fooled by your exterior.


There are in fact many more Readers and Transmitters than those listed above. The table below lists the commonly accepted Readers and their transmitted versions and their current area of use.

The Reader The Transmitter Current Area of Use
"The Seven"
Nafi` Warsh Algeria, Morocco, parts of Tunisia, West Africa and Sudan
Qalun Libya, Tunisia and parts of Qatar
Ibn Kathir al-Bazzi
Qunbul
Abu `Amr al-'Ala' al-Duri Parts of Sudan and West Africa
al-Suri
Ibn `Amir Hisham Parts of Yemen
Ibn Dhakwan
Hamzah Khalaf
Khallad
al-Kisa'i al-Duri
Abu'l-Harith
Abu Bakr `Asim Hafs Muslim world in general
Ibn `Ayyash
"The Three"
Abu Ja`far Ibn Wardan
Ibn Jamaz
Ya`qub al-Hashimi Ruways
Rawh
Khalaf al-Bazzar Ishaq
Idris al-Haddad
Abu Ammaar Yasir Qadhi, An Introduction to the Sciences of the Qur'aan, United Kingdom: Al-Hidaayah, 1999, p. 199.

What the above means is that the Qur'an has come to us through many transmitted versions. There are more versions than those listed above but they are not considered authentic. The different versions are judged in the same way that Hadiths are judged; some are judged to be weak and some strong. Not all of these versions are printed or used today but several are.

All these facts can be a bit confusing when you first read about it. If you are feeling that way don't worry; it's normal. To make things simple we will now look at two Qur'ans from different parts of the world which are printed according to two different transmissions. We will compare two Qur'ans to see whether or not they are identical as the Muslim quote referred to at the beginning of this article claimed. The Qur'an on the left is the most commonly used Qur'an and is according to the Hafs' transmission. The Qur'an on the right is according to the Warsh' transmission and is mainly used in North Africa.

When you compare these Qur'ans it becomes obvious that they are not identical. There are three main types of differences between them.

Graphical/Basic letter differences
Diacritical differences
Vowel differences


Let us now look at examples of these differences. The following examples are from the same word in the same verse, however, you will notice that on some occasions the verse number differs between the two Qur'ans. This is because the two Qur'ans number their verses differently. Thus surah 2:132 in the Hafs Qur'an is the same verse as surah 2:131 in the Warsh Qur'an.

GRAPHICAL/BASIC LETTER DIFFERENCES - There are differences between the basic printed letters of these two Qur'ans. It was these letters that Uthman standardized in his recension of the Qur'an [1].

THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO THE TRANSMISSION OF IMAM HAFS THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO THE TRANSMISSION OF IMAM WARSH

surah 2:132 (wawassaa)
surah 2:131 (wa'awsaa)

surah 91:15 (wa laa yakhaafu)
surah 91:15 (fa laa yakhaafu)

surah 2:132 (himu)
surah 2:131 (hiimu)

surah 3:133 (wasaari'uu)
surah 3:133 (saari'uu)

surah 5:54 (yartadda)
surah 5:56 (yartadid)

The above examples show that there are differences between the basic letters of these two Qur'ans.

DIACRITICAL DIFFERENCES - Arabic uses dots to distinguish between certain letters that are written the same way. For instance the basic symbol represents five different letters in the Arabic language depending upon where the diacritical dots are placed. For the above example, the five letters with their diacritical dots are as follows: baa', taa', thaa', nuun, yaa'. However these dots were a later development of the Arabic script and were not in use when Uthman standardized the text of the Qur'an. Thus the Uthman' Qur'an did not have any dots to record the exact letter and pronunciation. The text could be read in several ways and was in this way ambiguous in places. It served as a guide for the different Readers of the Qur'an, but not as a complete guide because the diacritical dots were not yet in use. The two Qur'ans that we are examining come from two different Readers and so have two different oral traditions. These traditions have their own unique system of where the dots (and vowels) should go. Here we see another difference between these two Qur'ans for they do not have the dots in the same place. We see that for the same word these two Qur'ans have the dots in different positions thus making different letters. (Remember that verse/aya numbering differs between these two Qur'ans.)

THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO THE TRANSMISSION OF IMAM HAFS THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO THE TRANSMISSION OF IMAM WARSH

surah 2:140 (taquluna)
surah 2:139 (yaquluna)

surah 3:81 (ataytukum)
surah 3:80 (ataynakum)

surah 2:259 (nunshizuhaa)
surah 2:258 (nunshiruhaa)

From the above examples we can see that there are many dots that are different between these two Qur'ans. The oral traditions are not the same.

VOWEL DIFFERENCES - In the Arabic script of the modern Qur'an the vowels are indicated by small symbols above or below the basic printed letters. Like the diacritical dots, these vowel symbols were a later development in the Arabic script and were not in use when Uthman standardized the text of the Qur'an. Thus the vowels too were not written in the Uthman' Qu'ran. With the vowels we see another difference between these two Qur'ans, for on many occasions they do not have the same vowels used for the same word. Consider the following examples of how the vowels differ between these two Qur'ans.

THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO THE TRANSMISSION OF IMAM HAFS THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO THE TRANSMISSION OF IMAM WARSH

surah 2:214 (yaquula)
surah 2:212 (yaquulu)

surah 2:10 (yakdhibuuna)
surah 2:9 (yukadhdhibuuna)

surah 2:184 (ta'aamu miskiinin)
surah 2:183 (ta'aami masakiina)

surah 28:48 (sihraani)
surah 28:48 (saahiraani)

Some Muslims claim that the differences between the diacritical dots and the vowels are not the result of the ambiguity of the Uthman' text but that the "accepted variants" are all part of the revelation of the Qur'an. Thus there is not one way to recite the Qur'an but many ways - many different oral traditions. Other Muslims though disagree with this; they say there is only one way to recite the Qur'an and that the variants come from The Readers [2]. Regardless of the answer to this question the fact remains that there are real differences between these two Qur'ans and that is what we are considering in this article. There are differences in the basic letters, diacritical dots, and vowels. These differences are small, but they do have some effect on the meaning.


Your guy, khaled, who has not seen fit to change his name, to say Paul, is knowingly distorting the Qur'an. Let me give you a good illustration in Yoruba language, so I advice you to ask your Yoruba friend, about the validity of my illustartion.

Shola, sola, , with or without, a dot below the s and or o, still means a name of a person. Looking at it, from untrained eyes or somebody who is bent or deceit, will proclaim that these are differerent things. No they are the same and Qur'an is an oral document. Afterall, Muhammad, the one who received it from Jibril, did not know how to read or how to write.

@Nwando: If you understand and speak Yoruba, I will be writing to you, in Yoruba language, the meaning of Qur'an. Unfortunately, on the other hand, I do not speak and do not understand, Igbo language. It could beeen the language of choice between you and me. You of all people know the difference between a word in one language and what its supposed to mean in another language.

I am bery sure thare are some words in Igbo that has many meanings, depending on its usage, and there will be a thing that could be described by many different words. English is a language that you and me can communicate in and it is one of the few languages that are impacting the world, presently.

Stop being disgenious, because you are trying to win an argument. Regardless of however beautiful a wrapping is, if you have garbage in the gift box, it will stink, at the end. Again, your tunnel vision outlook to the world and to your own soul is showing, by your statement that Allah does not understand any other language than Arabic! Nay, your words are blasphemous, at best. You should restrain from such vile and naive statement. If this is the way you used to cajole innocent Aisha to your religion, she will soon come to realise that she is on a reacherous path.

Nothing will come out of deceit that regret. When I prostrate my face in Salah, I ask whatever I want, in supplication to my Lord, in the language of my mother. Thats Yoruba and Allah hears all things. I am not worshipping a God that has limit in His power. That belongs to the christians. I worship just One God. You worship a threplet God!

My God is never wary and is always full of power. Yours, as you claim, did not know the nature of what he had created. So he had to come and get the experience, just like his creations, before he can make decision and judgements! Thats a very weak god you worship there!

I did not twist the hand of Zainab, your sister, before she accepted Islam. I did not paint a picture of fallacy to her either. God opened her heart. Let the same happen to you. If Jesus, as we read in the Bible, cried something before he gave up the ghost, on the cross and had earlier prayed for that samething to take the cup off his head, I think that you should be worshipping that something instead of Jesus.

You and the rest of christianity will be in the group that Jesus will deny in the day of Judgement. You will be from those who performed miracles by his name and called him Lord, yet he will not help you on that day that is very certain to come. Everyone shall taste death and everyone shall be recreated for the day of Judgement.

As much as I love you, you have a cross to drag, and Alhamdulillah, I have no cross to drag. Cross will benefit you nothing.

@Pligrim.1: This is Ruh and Nafs, being the same thing, in the Surah of maraim. I don't know if you know how many meaning a simple word may have, based on the usage of that word. In your native tongue, Yoruba Orun, can mean sleep, dead of night, smell, wrinkling, Sun, etc.

Until, you ask the arab muslim the usage of Ruh in that verse, and they agree with you that it means spirit and nt soul, you have lost. Yet you can never have Ruh Qudus, other than Jibril.

The Ruh and the Nafs

As-Suhayili mentioned the dispute among the scholars over whether the Ruh is the same as the Nafs, or something different. He stated that it is light and soft, like air, flowing through the body like water through the veins of a tree. He states that the Ruh which the angel breathes into the fetus is the Nafs, provided that it joins the body and acquires certain qualities because of it, whether good or bad. So then it is either a soul in (complete) rest and satisfaction (89:27) or inclined to evil (12:53), just as water is the life of the tree, then by mixing with it, it produces something else, so that if it mixes with grapes and the grapes are then squeezed, it becomes juice or wine. Then it is no longer called water, except in a metaphorical sense. Thus we should understand the connection between Nafs and Ruh; the Ruh is not called Nafs except when it joins the body and is affected by it. So in conclusion we may say: the Ruh is the origin and essence, and the Nafs consists of the Ruh and its connection to the body. So they are the same in one sense but not in another. This is a good explanation, and Allah knows best. I say: people speak about the essence of the Ruh and its rulings, and many books have been written on this topic. One of the best of those who spoke of this was Al-Hafiz Ibn Mandah in a book which we have heard about the Ruh.

@Pilgim.1: Its okay. You live your christianity to the fullest. Then if you desire to hang your hope on a man's death on the cross, who did not go willingly to that death and cried out for why he was abandoned, then be my guest. I on the other hand, prayed that i will die in the hope that my Lord, Who is always merciful will have mecy over us all.
Your verse 71 is well known to all of us. It is you who is afraid. Not the muslims. For instance, I was never afraid to die, but never pray for it. It will be forbidden. We all have to pass on the bridge over Hellfire. The non belivers will fall into hellfire and InshaAllah, the true believers will pass over it in the speed commensurating with their believe and good deeds.

When you read that verse, if it does not affect your heart, then wait and I will wait. Allah will be the judge of all.Then, verily, We know best those who are most worthy of being burnt therein.) Then, at this point Allah attaches one piece of information to another. The meaning here is that Allah best knows which of His creatures deserve to be burned in the fire of Hell and remain there forever and who deserves to have his punishment doubled. This is as He says in the Ayah that was previously mentioned,


[قَالَ لِكُلٍّ ضِعْفٌ وَلَـكِن لاَّ تَعْلَمُونَ]


(He will say: "For each one there is double (torment), but you know not.'') [7:38]


[وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلاَّ وَارِدُهَا كَانَ عَلَى رَبِّكَ حَتْماً مَّقْضِيّاً - ثُمَّ نُنَجِّى الَّذِينَ اتَّقَواْ وَّنَذَرُ الظَّـلِمِينَ فِيهَا جِثِيّاً ]


(71. There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell); this is with your Lord, a decree which must be accomplished.) (72. Then We shall save those who had Taqwa. And We shall leave the wrongdoers in it, Jithiyya.)

@Pilgrim.1: You are very funny. Islam have been firmly established, for over 1400 years. All the Arabs and the Jews already agreed that it is immovable. This was while England the country you now live in and educating you, is still in its darkest of dark ages. You from Nigeria, with a flare for controversy, thinks you know Ruh differently from what Muhammad said to the Jews it is.

Do you know what Ruh is then? Please help the Jews out, who did not have any responsecontrary to Muhammad's answer to them. They never again tried to ask him any question about Ruh again. They knew, before hand that they would  not like the answer they got and they received exactly what fitted their evil intent. Read my entry and discuss it with your Church leaders. Ask them if they know what Ruh is? Then ask them if they know what Ruh Qudus is?


Everyone , who has any understanding of Islam knows that Ruh Qudus is Malaika Jibril. Everyone knows that Ruh in the verse 85 if Isra is SOUL, which makes mankind alive.

@Pligrim.1: Read the usage of Ruh and Nafs to mean the same thing, in the Body of Human. Read it under the heading Ruh and nafs. On the second line, you will see that Ruh is what the Angel blows to the body as Nafs, whereby there is the Body and Soul. Its right there. The gimmick is open. You are not a muslim and you can not deffirentiate Siin  a from Shiin.

Alhamdulillah, I live and breath Islam.

@rianat: How good is your islam, if you are involved with a christain man? Its bad enough that you are involved, with any man. If there is sex, it is Zina. You must fear Allah.

For sure, Christians have no ruling about any moral compass/code. Am very concern and really think that you should rethink your position. If any man is interested in you, he should sincerely be a Muslim, who practices. If he is not, he should go and acquire the knowledge, first and then with true conviction, become a mustlim.

But for you to be unmarried and going about with a non muslim, is truly a double wammy. Two times the desaster. If he is never a muslim, then you will be the loser. You will be raising disbelieving children , plus the fact that you are sharing your life with a disbeliever.

This is against Allah's commandment in Islam. Are there no eligible Muslims in Nigeria? This is shameful. Connect to be by email and we can talk about this, more thoroughly. You will get my details from my profile. I pray that God Almighty guides your heart. Amiin.

Cambridgeport Baptist Church
Islam
Notes for Week One
Notes for Week Two
Notes for Week Three
Notes for Week Four

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Week One
Muslims among us:
Islam makes up 20% of the world's population. Islam is the fastest growing religion in North America. There are 6 to 8 million Muslims living right here in the United States. They are the second largest immigrant and religious community in America. More than 30,000 Muslims are in Greater Boston area. South Asian and South East Asian Muslims are the majority here. Only 1% of the total population of Muslims in America have heard the Gospel, even though many viable churches are around them.
The meaning of the Term Islam: "Submission" (the Arabic root), submission to God and the person who submits is a Muslim.
The Founder and his background: Muhammad was the founder of Islam. Muhammad is his title. In Arabic it means "the praised one." His actual name was Abul Kashem. He was born in A.D. 570 in Mecca. At the time of Muhammad, Mecca was the center of idol worship and the name of the temple was "Kabah." The city was the center of commerce. The region was populated mainly by polytheistic desert nomads. Although scattered groups of Jews and Christians lived in the Arabian Peninsula in the years prior to Islam, there seems to have been little spiritual vitality among those Christians and there was no effort to evangelize pagan Arab tribes. The two mainline churches, Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Church were fighting on different issues. There were many heretical teachings among Christians. Monophysaites, Nestorians who denied the two personalities of Jesus and the Arians who denied the divinity of Christ later on influenced Islam because Muhammad never confronted orthodox Christianity.
At the age of twenty-five, after conducting a successful caravan trade to Syria for a wealthy widow by the name of Khadija who was then forty, Muhammad accepted Khadija's offer to marry her. One tradition says that Khadija was a Jewess and another tradition says that she came from a group called Sabian (a distorted Jewish community). Their married life was very happy and Khadija protected Muhammad in many ways when he faced strong opposition even from his own tribe. Muhammad did not practice polygamy until the death of Khadija.
In A.D. 610, at the age of 40, Muhammad received his first revelation through the angel Gabriel. He got a series of revelations after that. Almost all of his revelations were about the confirmation of his prophethood and the introduction of the strong monotheistic idea of God. Because of that he was persecuted by his own people. After the death of his wife Khadija his life became more dangerous.
In A.D. 622, he fled to Yathrib, 200 miles north of Mecca. Muhammad renamed the city Medina (the city of the prophet). This event is known as the Hijrah which means migrations. Muslims now look to the year of his flight to Medina as the beginning of the Muslim calendar. In 630, Muhammad and his army took control of Mecca. Upon entering the city he destroyed all the idols in the Kabah. Within a year he was able to unify all the tribes of Mecca under the religion of Islam. In 632, Muhammad died.
The major beliefs of Islam:


God: Absolute monotheism. God is one and no partner is to be associated with Him. He is transcendent, Creator of the universe. He is sovereign.
Angels: In the gap between the God and humankind exists a hierarchy of angels. Archangel Gabriel is of the highest rank. Each person has two angels assigned to him/her, one to record the person's good deeds and the other to record the bad deeds. At the bottom of the hierarchy are the jinn, who are usually bad.
The prophets of God: Muslims believe in almost all prophets who are mentioned in the Old Testament, and John (Yahia) the Baptist, the forerunner of Jesus. Tradition (Hadith) says that 124,000 prophets came to this world, and Muhammad is considered to be the seal of the prophets.
The Holy Books: Tawrat (Torah, 5 books of Moses), Zabur (Psalms), Injil (Gospel), and the Qur'an (Recitation) which was given to Muhammad. The Qur'an affirms Torah, Psalms, and Gospel.
The Day of Judgement: There will be a day when all will be bodily resurrected and stand before God in Judgement. On that day each person's deeds will be weighed in the balance. Those whose good deeds outweigh their bad deeds will be rewarded with Paradise; and those whose bad deeds outweigh their good will be judged to hell.

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Week Two
Obligations/practices of Islam:


The confession of the Creed (Shahadah). In Arabic shahadah means to bear witness - "I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is His messenger."
The performance of Ritual prayer (Salat). Five obligatory times of prayer. Early morning before sunrise, just past noon, in the afternoon, just after sunset, after evening.
Giving Alms (Zakat). Muslims are commanded to give one-fortieth (2.5%) of their income, primarily to the poor and needy.
Keeping the Fast (Sawm). The fast is approximately thirty days and takes place during the Muslim month of Ramadan. Since the Muslim calendar is based on the moon rather than the sun, their year is approximately eleven days shorter than the solar year. Hence, this month begins eleven days earlier each year. The fast is to be kept from sunrise to sunset each day of Ramadan.
Going on the Pilgrimage (Hajj). The crowning act of the Muslim religion is the pilgrimage to Mecca. Muhammad made it obligatory once in a lifetime for those who are healthy and could afford it.
Understanding the idea of God in Islam:

In Arabic the name of God is "Allah." It comes from two Arabic words "Al" "Ilah" which means the God, one who is worshiped. Allah is the name of the Supreme. Arabs of pre-Islamic days, despite all their idolatry, knew and acknowledged Allah's existence as the supreme God but He did not dominate their minds.
Nature of God (Allah):
He is one, transcendent, creator of the universe, sovereign and omnipotent
He has spoken to humanity through messengers or prophets, through angels and through the written word
He knows in intimate detail the thoughts and deeds of men
He will judge the wicked
He is a singular unity (not complex unity)
He is not a father; God in Islam is unknowable/not personal
He provided guidance. He did not send a savior to this world
He loves not the prodigals but desires to afflict them
His standard for judgment is that our good deeds must outweigh our bad deeds.
he provided a messenger, Muhammad, who warned of His impending judgment
The Qur'an:

The Qur'an means recitation. Muslims claim that while in the cave at Hira, Muhammad heard God's voice through an angelic spiritual intermediary, most likely the angel Gabriel. The words of the Qur'an are said to be part of a book that exists in its entirety only in heaven. Thus, Muslims often speak of the Qur'an as having descended upon their prophet Muhammad. Muhammad memorized everything that was revealed to him and recited to his disciples, who, in turn, memorized or transcribed it in various scattered portions.
The Qur'an was not collected into book form during Muhammad\s lifetime. It was compiled into present day book form and officially was approved in A.D. 657 and all previous texts were condemned and burned. There are 114 chapters (Surah) of the Qur'an.
The Hadith:

In addition to the Qur'an Muslims rely on the Hadith, or tradition. The traditions form a vast library of recollections about what Muhammad said and did. Some of the material also comes from Jewish and Christian tradition (not orthodox Christianity). Some Muslims suggest that the Hadith has the same authority as the Qur'an, but most put it on a lower level. Basically, traditions act as a supplement to the Qur'an.
Division within Islam:

Islam is divided into two main branches: Sunnis and Shi'ites. The main issue of the division was the selection of leadership as Muhammad's rightful successors (Caliphs). The vast majority of Muslims are Sunnis.

"Sufis" - Technically Sufism is not a sect of Islam but an esoteric mystical movement within both Sunnis and Shi'ism.

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Week Three
Humanity: Good by nature.
Sin: Sin is thought of in terms of rejecting or forgetting right guidance. Sin does not cause spiritual death. Islam flatly rejects any notion of original sin and says we are all born pure. Yes, Adam and Eve sinned, the Qur'an says, but God forgave them when they asked for His mercy. No sin was passed on to their descendants. The major sins in Islam are: Committing idolatry, stealing from an orphan, committing adultery or fornication, disobeying parents, collecting interest on investments, accusing a chaste woman falsely, giving false testimony, committing suicide, committing infanticide, enslaving a free person, engaging in slander and gossip.
Salvation: The standard of salvation is having one's good deeds outweigh one's bad deeds. Therefore, it is based on human effort. It is our cumulative faith and actions that determine our salvation. No atonement is necessary for our salvation. God does not need to sacrifice Himself to atone for the sins of mankind because he can forgive anything He wants, anytime He wants.
Jesus (Isa): One of the Major Prophets. To associate Jesus with God or to call him the son of God is blasphemy. Muslims affirm the virgin birth of Jesus, his sinless life and the miracles that he performed (The Qur'an 3:45-47)
Christ (Masiih): In Arabic, the form of the word Masiih (Messiah) suggests the meaning "the anointed," but most Muslims understand it as a personal name rather than a title (The Qur'an 3:45).
Two major titles of Jesus in the Qur'an: A Spirit (Ruh) from God (Ruh Allah) The Qur'an 2:87. Word (Kalemah) of God (Kalemat Allah). The Qur'an 4:171.
The death of Jesus: According to the Islamic tradition, Jesus did not die on the cross. Instead, he ascended to heaven, and some one died in his place. One tradition says that Judas died in his place. Muslims believe that it is disrespectful to believe God would allow one of his prophets and especially one of the most honored of the prophets to be crucified (The Qur'an 4:157). But at the same time there is a contradiction. (The Qur'an 3:54).
The second coming of Jesus: Muslims believe in the second coming of Jesus - but when he does, he will break all the crosses. There is a tradition (Hadith) and many Muslims believe that Jesus (Isa) will become a follower of Muhammad in his second coming.
The Bible: Corrupted and abrogated by the Qur'an. But, there is no Quranic proof about that. It's only tradition. The Qur'an affirmed all previous Scriptures, the Old Testament and the Gospel (The Qu'ran 10:64; 6:115; 5:45,46,68; 10:94; 3:3-4; 35:31; 4:44; 5:68).
Jihad (holy war) and relations of Muslims with enemies: In Arabic it means to struggle or strive for something. Often assumed to be holy war, that is not a correct translation of the Arabic term. However, the word jihad is most often associated with the act of physically confronting evil and wrong doing; hence, it can be applied to the act of fighting as well. But the goal of a physical jihad is not to have a big war, gain riches, or kill people; it is to further the cause of Allah and to create justice on earth. Then, when the evil is removed, or the other side wants peace. Muslims are to make peace as well. There are many Quranic references about Jihad (The Qur'an 4:74-76; 9:28-29; 47:4; 5:51)
Perhaps the idea of jihad or holy war was borrowed from the Old Testament and Muhammad copied it from the Byzantine emperor Heraclius who launched a seven year "holy war" against the Persians in A.D. 622, the same year Muhammad had to flee from Mecca to Medina. It is sad that instead of serving as a check and balance to the Byzantine's militaristic excesses, the Church (Eastern Orthodox) joined with it, thus weakening the effectiveness of the spirit and teaching with which Christ wanted to establish His kingdom. How tragic that Muhammad, watching a Christian empire in action, drew the conclusion that one's faith should be wed to the sword. Later Muhammad adopted this idea while he was in Medina and encouraged his followers to raid caravans between Mecca to Medina. This might be the beginning source of the idea of holy war.
The Trinity: The Qur'an does not say anything against the Trinity (1 x 1 x 1 = 1); rather it disputes the tritheistic view (1 + 1 + 1 = 3) held by many people who called themselves Christians in Muhammad's day. Following are some Quranic references: The Qur'an 4:171; 5:19, 76.
Evangelistic Approach to Muslims
Love and respect your Muslim friends.
Don't be critical of Islam, the Qur'an, and Muhammad while talking with them. Try to avoid such subjects. Instead, accentuate the Good News of the Gospel. Consult the Bible often to explain and support what you believe.
Be patient, persistent in prayer for Muslims so that the Holy Spirit will work in their hearts.
Try to meet with them individually. Witnessing to Muslims is best done one-to-one. When you meet with Muslims in a group, they will dutifully defend their faith in front of others so as not to expose the doubts they might have.
Focus on Jesus as often as you can without being offensive. "Christianity must decrease, Christ must increase." Don't preach Christianity, preach Christ. Islam does not reject the message of Christ; it does reject the caricature of Christianity. Muslims always see our outside which creates so many stumbling blocks for them. Our lifestyle and some historical events block their mind: The Crusades and the idea of Christendom, the western colonialism and the complex of the supremacy of the western world.
Use Jesus' parables and stories. Muslims are more influenced by stories and parables than they are by logical arguments.
Handle the Bible with respect. Don't throw the Bible on the floor or don't use it as a pillow. They even consider it a sign of disrespect to write in the Qur'an and the Bible. It's always preferable to use a Bible which has no marks or anything written in it.
Understanding the people groups and their culture is most important. Don\t take your Muslim friends to Church until you know they are ready for it. It is only applicable in the western world. Many things happen in the western Churches that the typical Muslim would find dishonoring to God and offensive to his/her culture.
Learning the Islamic terminologies are very effective.
Use the Qur'an as a bridge.

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Week Four
Using the Qur'an as a Bridge:

What is the Biblical Principle of making a Bridge?
Answer:
LUKE 10: 1-20 -- (Disciples' on-the-job training) and their assignment to identify the person of peace.
ACTS 17: 22-34 -- TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Unlike other places Paul's context was different here. So, he got his idea from his context which was familiar to his audience. Paul used to go to synagogues in order to prove from the Old Testament prophesy that Jesus was the Messiah. In Islam God is unknowable. But, at the same time the Qur'an says that Jesus (Isa) is the Messiah.
Should we use the Qur'an as a bridge to the gospel? Is using the Qur'an as a bridge an acceptable means for Christians since we believe that only the Bible is the true Word of God?
Answer:
There is a great divide, or chasm, between Muslims and Christians. Good Muslims have been taught from their childhood that the Qur'an is the only true word of God. They may not know the meaning of the Qur'anic text, but nonetheless, they believe it is true. When approached with the Bible, Muslims immediately become defensive. A confrontation is imminent-your holy book versus their holy book. A Muslim can not and will not deny the Qur'an. Relating to a Muslim from the Qur'an guarantees a listening ear. If attention is given to the verses in the Qur'an that deal with truths about Jesus, then you and your new Muslim friend can enter into dialogue on neutral ground.
Why do we use the Qur'an as a bridge to the gospel?
Answer:
We must start where they are.
Using the Qur'an enables a Muslim and Muslim-background believer (MBB) to relate to his family and friends and minimizes persecution.
We can use the Qur'an to lift Jesus out of Prophet Status and closer to Savior Status in the mind of a Muslim.
Using the Qur'an as a bridge allows us to go deep into Muslim communities.
Note: Avoid spending too much time in the Qur'an.
Why do we avoid spending too much time in the Qur'an?
Answer:
Unlike the Bible we are not so familiar with the Qur'an. When we are witnessing to a Muslim, we may be nervous and not remember all of the verses of the Qur'an which we want to use.
It saves us from accusations of abusing or misusing the Qur'an.
We are only looking for a person of peace and only need enough spiritual meat from the Qur'an to draw him out.
Don't stay too long in the Qur'an because there are anti Christian verses (the Qur'an 5: 51; 9:29).
Concentrate much on those verses in the Qur'an which talk about Jesus, especially about his virgin birth, his character, his authority and power: The Qur'an 3: 42-55. After reading these verses of the Qur'an no Muslim can honestly say that Jesus (Isa) was merely a prophet.
We can show them the Qur'an 46: 9 comparing it with Jesus' words of assurance in the Bible (John 11:25-26; 14:1-3; 6-9). When you find a Muslim seeking to become a believer, set the Qur'an aside and pick up your Bible.

Christianity and its leadership have stooped this low, in order to cajole innocent people to their perilous way! Shame.

I know how to tease, plenty. As the yorubas say in their old saying: Omode o le laso titi ko lakisa to agbalagba.

But I will stay above the frail. What i want you to do now is to support all your arguments, with facts, not fictions. In Yoruba we say that even a lye has a headstart of 20 years in a racing competition, it takes a day or part of it for truth to catch up and surpasses it. I have more where that comes from.

@Pilgrim.1: And the other supporters of her, you have the answer of Ruh, being the SOUL of man here. It addresses, completely the matter of Surah Isra, verse 85. I know that you will have a feat. Please take it easy. Allah, the Almighty will open your eyes, in due time. My prayer, is that you continue to be alive, and be well until then. And to your future deceit, Allah will expose it. InshaAllah.

From the Surah Fatiha, here is your answer, in a general sense:

(When the Imam says, `Walad-dallin', say, `Amin' and Allah will answer your invocation.)

In addition, At-Tirmidhi said that `Amin' means, "Do not disappoint our hope'', while the majority of scholars said that it means. "Answer our invocation.''

Also, in his Musnad, Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah said that when the Jews were mentioned to him, the Messenger of Allah said,

«إِنَّهُم لَنْ يَحْسُدُونَا عَلَى شَيْءٍ كَمَا يَحْسُدُونَا عَلَى الْجُمُعَةِ الَّتِي هَدَانَا اللهُ لَهَا وَضَلُّوا عَنْهَا، وَعَلَى الْقِبْلَةِ الَّتِي هَدَانَا اللهُ لَهَا وَضَلُّوا عَنْهَا وَعَلَى قَوْلِنَا خَلْفَ الْإِمَامِ: آمِينَ»

(They will not envy us for anything more than they envy us for Friday which we have been guided to, while they were led astray from it, and for the Qiblah which we were guided to, while they were led astray from it, and for our saying `Amin' behind the Imam.)

Also, Ibn Majah recorded this Hadith with the wording,

«مَا حَسَدَتْكُمُ الْيَهُودُ عَلَى شَيْءٍ مَا حَسَدَتْكُمْ عَلَى السَّلَامِ وَالتَّأْمِينِ»

(The Jews have never envied you more than for your saying the Salam (Islamic greeting) and for saying Amin.) rgiveness). veneooA ? Further, it is recorded in Sahih Muslim that Abu Musa related to the Prophet that he said,

«إِذَا قَالَ يَعنِي الْإِمَامَ : وَلَا الضَّالِّينَ، فَقُولُوا: آمِينَ، يُجِبْكُمُ اللهُ»

(When the Imam says, `Walad-dallin', say, `Amin' and Allah will answer your invocation.)

In addition, At-Tirmidhi said that `Amin' means, "Do not disappoint our hope'', while the majority of scholars said that it means. "Answer our invocation.''

Also, in his Musnad, Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah said that when the Jews were mentioned to him, the Messenger of Allah said,

Then from Surah Isra, here is the gentle but sure force that trips you, then you loose your argument and fall flat on your face. Its better to be sure of your argument. Islam is not a religion for the faint at heart. God Almighty has completed on Muhammad. Even though he had started it on previous prophets, inclusding Ias bin Mariam, (as).

The Ruh and the Nafs
As-Suhayili mentioned the dispute among the scholars over whether the Ruh is the same as the Nafs, or something different. He stated that it is light and soft, like air, flowing through the body like water through the veins of a tree. He states that the Ruh which the angel breathes into the fetus is the Nafs, provided that it joins the body and acquires certain qualities because of it, whether good or bad. So then it is either a soul in (complete) rest and satisfaction (89:27) or inclined to evil (12:53), just as water is the life of the tree, then by mixing with it, it produces something else, so that if it mixes with grapes and the grapes are then squeezed, it becomes juice or wine. Then it is no longer called water, except in a metaphorical sense. Thus we should understand the connection between Nafs and Ruh; the Ruh is not called Nafs except when it joins the body and is affected by it. So in conclusion we may say: the Ruh is the origin and essence, and the Nafs consists of the Ruh and its connection to the body. So they are the same in one sense but not in another. This is a good explanation, and Allah knows best. I say: people speak about the essence of the Ruh and its rulings, and many books have been written on this topic. One of the best of those who spoke of this was Al-Hafiz Ibn Mandah in a book which we have heard about the Ruh.

[وَلَئِن شِئْنَا لَنَذْهَبَنَّ بِالَّذِى أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ ثُمَّ لاَ تَجِدُ لَكَ بِهِ عَلَيْنَا وَكِيلاً ]

[إِلاَّ رَحْمَةً مِّن رَّبِّكَ إِنَّ فَضْلَهُ كَانَ عَلَيْكَ كَبِيرًا - قُل لَّئِنِ اجْتَمَعَتِ الإِنسُ وَالْجِنُّ عَلَى أَن يَأْتُواْ بِمِثْلِ هَـذَا الْقُرْءَانِ لاَ يَأْتُونَ بِمِثْلِهِ وَلَوْ كَانَ بَعْضُهُمْ لِبَعْضٍ ظَهِيرًا - وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِى هَـذَا الْقُرْءَانِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ فَأَبَى أَكْثَرُ النَّاسِ إِلاَّ كُفُورًا ]
(86. And if We willed, We could surely take away that which We have revealed to you. Then you would find no protector for you against Us in that respect.) (87. Except as a mercy from your Lord. Verily, His grace unto you is ever great.) (88. Say: "If mankind and the Jinn were together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another.'') (89. And indeed We have fully explained to mankind, in this Qur'an, every kind of similitude, but most of mankind refuse (the truth and accept nothing) but disbelief.)

The Ruh (spirit)

Al-Bukhari recorded in his Tafsir of this Ayah that `Abdullah bin Mas`ud said, "While I was walking with the Prophet on a farm, and he was resting on a palm-leaf stalk, some Jews passed by. Some of them said to the others, `Ask him about the Ruh.' Some of them said, `What urges you to ask him about that' Others said, `Do not ask him, lest he gives you a reply which you do not like.' But they said, `Ask him.' So they asked him about the Ruh. The Prophet kept quiet and did not give them an answer, and I knew that he was receiving revelation, so I stayed where I was. When the revelation was complete, the Prophet said:

[وَيَسْـَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّى]

(And they ask you concerning the Ruh (the spirit). Say: "The Ruh (the spirit) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord, '') This context would seem to imply that this Ayah was revealed in Al-Madinah, and that it was revealed when the Jews asked him this question in Al-Madinah, although the entire Surah was revealed in Makkah. This may be answered with the suggestion that this Ayah may have been revealed to him in Al-Madinah a second time, after having previously been revealed in Makkah, or that he was divinely inspired to respond to their question with a previously-revealed Ayah, namely the Ayah in question. Ibn Jarir recorded that `Ikrimah said, "The People of the Book asked the Messenger of Allah about the Ruh, and Allah revealed:

[وَيَسْـَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ]

(And they ask you concerning the Ruh, ) They said, `You claim that we have only a little knowledge, but we have been given the Tawrah, which is the Hikmah,

[وَمَن يُؤْتَ الْحِكْمَةَ فَقَدْ أُوتِىَ خَيْرًا كَثِيرًا]

(and he, to whom Hikmah is granted, is indeed granted abundant good.)' [2:269] Then the Ayah

[وَلَوْ أَنَّمَا فِى الاٌّرْضِ مِن شَجَرَةٍ أَقْلاَمٌ وَالْبَحْرُ يَمُدُّهُ مِن بَعْدِهِ سَبْعَةُ أَبْحُرٍ]

(And if all the trees on the earth were pens and the sea (were ink wherewith to write), with seven seas behind it to add to its (supply),) [31:27] was revealed. He said, "Whatever knowledge you have been given, if Allah saves you from the Fire thereby, then it is great and good, but in comparison to the knowledge of Allah, it is very little.''

[وَيَسْـَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ]

(And they ask you concerning the Ruh.) Al-`Awfi reported that Ibn `Abbas said, "This was when the Jews said to the Prophet , `Tell us about the Ruh and how the Ruh will be punished that is in the body - for the Ruh is something about which only Allah knows, and there was no revelation concerning it.' He did not answer them at all, then Jibril came to him and said:

[قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّى وَمَآ أُوتِيتُم مِّن الْعِلْمِ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً]

(Say: "The Ruh (the spirit) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.'') So the Prophet told them about that, and they said, `Who told you this' He said,

«جَاءَنِي بِهِ جِبْرِيلُ مِنْ عِنْدِ الله»

(Jibril brought it to me from Allah.) They said, `By Allah, no one has told you that except our enemy [i.e., Jibril].' Then Allah revealed:

[قُلْ مَن كَانَ عَدُوًّا لِّجِبْرِيلَ فَإِنَّهُ نَزَّلَهُ عَلَى قَلْبِكَ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ]

(Say: "Whoever is an enemy to Jibril (let him die in his fury), for indeed he has brought it (this Qur'an) down to your heart by Allah's permission, confirming what came before it.)'' [2:97]

Qur'an makes clear many things. You will know the diference believers and disbelievers. Qur'an makes it very clear who are the enemies of Allah. Qur'an makes it clear who are the enemies of Jibril. Qur'an makes it very clear who are the enemies of Muhammad. Qur'an makes it very clear the destination of the enemies of Believers, Muhammad, Qur'an, Islam, Jibril, Allah. Their destination is Hellfire.

@Pilgrim.1: You made me work so hard. And its for nothing. You could have easily checked the tafsir of that Ayah 85 in Surah Al Isra. And you would not have made me do your job for you. Ma da agbalagba la amu. I am so upset, its uncanny.

@Pilgrim.1: In the next post by me or somebody else, I will have for you an adequate explanation, of Ruh. However, as you have fraudulently claimed that Ruh is not the soul of man, I had called many persons, some of them hold various forms of scholarship, in Islam. All of them are Arabs. Each one of them says as to the verse, in Suratul Isra, the verse 85's ruh means soul. You see, I read arabic Qur'an. Almost every muslim, who has any knowledge of the Qur'an, even the ability to read, will tell you that what I have said is the correct meaning of Ruh, in that verse.

If the Ruh Qudus, is Jibril and Muhammad had contact with him, for all those 23 years, how is it that Muhammad (as), did not know an ordinary Ruh? Yet he was able to know the only Ruh Qudus, when Qudus is a qualifier of the Ruh?

And for those who had a field day, of laughter: the Qur'an is only in Arabic. Any writing therefor, in another language is only what the writer may think the meaning is. You live in England, and other parts of the the west, eg. U. S., ask annoynemously by your phone calls to Mosques. If I need to know anything in Igbo language, I will ask an Igbo person whose mother tongue is igbo language.

@Pilgrim.1: From your own knowledge, did any Jew, with any tangible knowledge of Judaism, became a companion of Muhammad, during his lifetime? This is where u you will fall flat, in your weak argument. You will quickly know that there were many Jews and some of them were learned!

@Piligrim.1: Its very easy to abuse and rant with rage to cover inadequacies. The Qur'an has made it very clear, at least just before the verse to indicate the corruption of the whole Bible was revealed, your holy book became diluted. There is your answer
Now go get me a Bible from the 1000s that are available today and put it to test
It will will not pass muster


You cant get it
When I have the time with you I will give you the verse. The whole of Islam knows it. Its about Badr. Thats beyound you.

@Jerrymani; I know its difficult. Please, and please again, always put your thinking cap on before responding. Did you see the question marks? It is not that I agree, but neading davidylan to fessup. He knows, but you don't know.

@Pilgrim.1: Which version, revision, editions, etc in all of the centuaries and up to the several hundreds that we have today, should I read? Will you show me the real Bible? Since there is none, I guess your statement is incorrect!

@Pilgrim.1: Stop baby, stop. I simply asked you to tell us, in your own view, what exactly did the false pen write, which is a lie. It is in your Bible. The Jeremiah, you are quick to quote. Yet, in all that you wrote, I found 0% of it addressing my question. Here is your problem, which you can not see, because your heart is not accepting the truth: Jeremiah says that the false pen has played a part in something, you need to ponder what that something is.

For me, it appears in your Bible and God Almighty confirms it in the Qur'an. That is enough. Not that I needed jeremiah of the Bible to validate what's in the Qur'an. But it makes my heart strong on that verse in the Qur'an! If I look further, I see, Paul and the other remnants, in the NT writing above and on top of where Jesus left it. Unfortunately, I have asked if david, Nwando and othersof the christian community, and now you, what does it mean when it is stated that Jesus went about preaching the Gospel? Was he preaching a true message of revelation, which is recorded in the Bible's NT? Or was he preaching the Gospel as you have it in the NT? Please fall into my trap, because I have already laid it and cover it with beautiful camouflage; as you have the Gospels in the Bible, it is only Jesus' life story. Thats what Davidylan said and I concurred with him. But Jesus was an arrogant man or a false prophet. So on one hand, he could not have preached his own life story, and he could not have preached anything opposite and disagreeing to what the Old prophets, say Mosess preached.

For you to even have an argument, you will have to research and locate, the Torah of the time that Jeremaiah penned this famous verse, that you can not explain its inference/what makes it come about. You will also do us a greater favor to get for us, the Torah of John the Baptist era, for a closer examination. These two, as example will be compared with each other. If we find them to be exactly alike, we will compare it with a Bible of a later generation, say at the time of Paul entry to Christianity. Further we will have to compare all of the present versions and revisions Bibles that we have today with our control/model copy from the old times, mentioned above. This is your assignment. Until then, your argument is baseless.

You should not forget that in muslim thread, what did you learn recently title, we have an ancient Qur'an. Go and look at it and then go back 600 years before this Qur'an, and get me an Injiil that we can use to compare with the skiddishness of the Bible of today. We even know of older Qur'an, a mere 19 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad. Can you you get for us, an Injiil 19 years after the ascension of Jesus? Then use the same methodology to fish out a Torah and sabuur. If you wish, you can take up this assignment, after your finals are taken care of. At least you will not be thinking about academics so that much. I will wait.

Your explanation of Jeremiah's famous verse is your own subjective opinion. I understand you, but its unacceptable to me, from a clearly religious point of clarity. From your logic, you could not tell us that Jeremiah gave the explanation that you provided. Infact there is not record of jeremiah explaining anything. No prophet of the bani Israel, children of israel explained any verse or revelation. Jesus did not explain anything either. If these great men left things unexplained, you can never be the one who will expalinit to us. That responsibility falls squarely on the Comforter. My dear sister, you are not the comforter and none of the preachers of christendom is the Comforter.

Surprisingly, you are confusing the Soul, in man with spirit in the Qur'an. Let me tell you; The spirit of truth or spirit in Qur'an, is Malaika Jibriil/Angel gabrael. Muhammad met him, throughout his 23 years as a prophet. I will not even go to when he was a little boy with halima, his wet nurse, in the episode where his heart was first washed and Iman/belief was put in it. You should know that Angel Gabrael wad was acquinted with Muhammad.

What the Jews asked Muhammad was about the Soul; the second element that makes us human. The Body and soul should be familiar to you. He answered them, because it was a test of his prophethood; The complete information is with Allah alone, and what was told to me is very little. He never said nothing was told to him. He proved it by sayibg to the makkan deads at the battle of Badr, the first war that the Muslims, under Muhammad fought. He said to Abu Jahal (Lana tullahi ala kafiriin), that if he has seen what Allah has prepared for him? This is fire and torment! The companions asked him, why are you talking to the dead, when they can not hear you?

He said to them, they can hear, just as much as you can hear me now! Such is the immense knowledged of God impacted on this humble prophet. So that I remind you of a good reminder, Allah says in the Qur'an, about the action of Muhammad, throwing a hand full of sand into the dirsection of the makkans, at the battle field, even before the first charge, from either side. Allah said that HE throw the sand, and it was not Muhammad that throw it!

This goes to show, that Allah performs miracles directly, but through HIS prophets, who are human, as a sign of their Human prophethood! No wonder Jesus said that I can not do any thing out of my own power. But the One who sent me dies all these Miracles, through me. (The language is mine here and I do not want any of you to cry foul, but the idea is correct).

@Pilgrim.1:Your quote of the Qur'an verse above, from Al Imran, verse 85, is a testmony to you and will be against you, if you die while still practising another religion. The hadith quoted dealt with Arab penisula, alone. Am from Ijebu ode, and I did not hear from any Ijebu man that there was an invading arab military that brought Islam to that land. Maybe, you may enlighten me, because you may have a better information of how Islam entered Yoruba land.

@Davidylan: Your medical Book, what if a disease like cancer is reduced to footnote, yet it is still a top killer, because there is no cure for it. How will the medical community treat such a decision, by the publisher, author, etc? We are talking about Word of God here, being reduced to footnotes?

@Combatant: Please do not upset our dearest sister Pilgrim.1. Don't take her to task on so many issues at the same time. She will then cherrypick whatever from it.

@Pilgrim.1: Please tell us, what did the false pen of the scribes into a lie?

Before you talk about anything in the Qur'an, you have to go to what Muhammad said about the thing. Qur'an was not revealed to you and to borrow from kate senator Lloyd Benson to Danfort Quail during the VP debate, many seasons ago; My dear Pilgrim.1, I know Muhammad, he is my propphet. You my girl, you are no Muhammad!