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@Cgift: Evidently, the typical Yoruba christian, which you are, does not know that there are norther Christians. Islam, contrary to the belief of Nigerians, is not a northern Nigerian religion. The religion is not even Arab people religion. These two people are not 100% muslims.

Unfortunately, you just talk and have no cultural sense. My children, are cultured in a manner that, InshaAllah, will not steal, and there is no fear of them being amputated.

However, in Islam, Allah's mercy is limitless, hence a first time offender is not usually exposed. However, when the type of bad behaviour, like stealing, becomes a second nature of the thief, he becomes careless. Hence, he has no moral compass to distinguish this evil behaviour from what is morally sound. God Almighty, may, if He wills, expose the thief, to be caught, in the act of thievery. The amputees, are not first time offenders. If the Northern Nigerians muslims practise Shariah, properly, there is no blame in the judgements handed down. I do not live in Nigeria and am not a scholar of Islam to seriously comment.

What I know, however, is enough to make me live a relatively honest life. I do not engage in any of the others may engage in. For sure, there is a rule that the Muslims have to follow; it involves in Shariah court, witness and hearing procedure before decisions and carrying out the justice, about any offense.

You failed to realise that Jesus himself did not throw any stone at the woman, he used wisdom and mercy from his Lord Allah to extracate, from the peril. Yet the condition of Jesus , all along was that all the laws and rulings given to Moses were to be fulfilled including the littlest of jot! Moses law called for the stoning. So why didn't Jesus stone the woman, himself? Except, there was part of Moses law that allows for mercy and Jesus used that part, which the Jews had always neglected. Afterall, Moses expressed mercy, from his Lord, Allah, toward Pharaoh, for a while, before the drowning at the sea.

In any case, if Jesus, showed mercy on the poor and helpless woman, it was not Jesus' sole perogative. It was from his Lord, who had instructed him so.

Muhammad and his supporters, upon conquering Makka, did not visit a wholesale slaughter upon his former arch enemy, who as a people ran him and his supporters out their native city. He declared general amnesty over the city and that has never been equal in the history of mankind! It is a whole city, full of people who had offended him and treated him terribly.

Yet, Muhammad, like Jesus in the Qur'an, was not arrogant and not proud. But gave all the glory th his Creator.

@Davidylan: Sampling of the 71 sects of the Jews: You have the reforms; There are many of them. You have the orthodox; so many to mention. Go to eastern parkway, in Brooklyn, you will have a fill of whatever you want. You have conservatives; Also many branches, mostly in manhattan and longisland and beverly hills types. Some Jews, dont even believe, in this or that. They eat pork, in the form of processed bacon. I know, I hang out with them. I can not avoid them, in my line of work. You will see plenty of them when you begin your practise. I pray for your success innthis regard.

From amongst the jews, you have Buhddist and other eastern religions. Yet they go to synagogues, when its their annual ceremonies and get togethers. Some only go to temples. What do you want david, you get it among them. Its like ragu, its in there.

The ones who demanded miracles, even the miracles of the splitting of the moon, are not his followers! They are the disbelieving makkan population! David, be honest. You do not know what you are talking about. Just shooting mouth will not cut it! this is about saving souls. You just can play with it. fast and loose will not work. You are rigid in your belief. We agree, but speak the truth about your religion, and do not lie about others'.

Yet the astronauts from america went to the moon. They saw a crack/fault running along the diameter of the moon. You do not have to believe, but it did happen. Moreso, not all of us will be able to go to the moon. Qur'an in its unchanging text, stands as the highest of all assurances for the prophethood of Muhammad. Unlike the ever changing Bible, with skips so amny you may think there is a grand prix race going on!

Again, I follow Muhammad, the leader of the largest believing nation, amongst the nations of prophets. InshaAllah, I and all MUSLIMS, males and females will be in PARADISE. Muhammad will sheffah before Allah. Muhammad appeal of intercession has been guaranteed. Read the Qur'an, you will find it in many places. In Surah, Mariam, Surah fajr and many others. I have no illusion. I am nit arrogant, this is why I said InshaAllah. The Lord how delivered Makka to Muhammad. He will make all believing Muslims, under their last prophet inhabitant of paradise.

@Cgift: Go look into your book. See the many discrepancies. Within the NT, paul disagrees with Jesus and others who knew Jesus. Well we do not have the writing of Jesus or the Gospel that he preached about the places he went. So Paul and others like him are the latest in town. Even then, christianity has no single Bible as the standard bearer from the onset. The muslims just have look and point to you. Between your rank, there are so many diffrent types, one not totally agreeing with another. Even your learned are saying that, while they dispute amongst themselves.

How then you are saying all these things? Tell me from the Bible, what should be the response of the community to illegal sex, even though consentual, what about rape, stealing when there is no need ti do that, what about any form of immorality? Just one!

In the OT, the rules of communual relationship is changed, even though Jesus did not dare todo it, except to fulfill it. All its jots, etc. Then paul changed the rule and pattern of Jesus, which then allowed him to change the Laws of Moses, etc. maybe thats how you Yoruba, who is not from the children of israel got in under amazing grace. There used to be a film of that title, in the past.

Who is unjust, the one who changed the laws of God which were given to prophets, or the prophets who delivered and followed the Laws? The laws which a later prophet never dared to change, but fulfilled even the jot in the laws. Yet this Eraser of God's laws claimed the prophet that fulfilled even the Jot in the laws is God Almighty!

@Cgift: I will not dignify your statement. Personally, how many Olabowales do you know amongst the Yorubas? This is a very rare name. I could easily provide a similar makeup name as you have. Your name does not identify you. Oruko ma nro ni. Ask your elders in your family. You are not God and my hope is totally on my Creator! Unlike you, who is banking on a mere mortal, who was powerless to defend himself in the hands of ragtag Yahud, Jews! Yet he yelled as he was giving up the ghost. Read your Bible and then think. Then in the future don't write without putting your innerworking to proper use.

Go ask. Have you ever heard about any Olabowale who is poor? My father named me well. The name fit me to a t. Whats cgift and how does that relate to YORUBA tribe?

Allah is Alive, full of Power, always without being under conditions that your dead god is. I do not worship creations, be it angels, prophets with two parents, or one, or none at all! Nothing except GOD ALMIGHTY. I am walking softly, but I have big stick in my hand. I am muslim. From Ijebu Ode.

@Ricadelide: Paul this, Paul that! haba, my brother! Is there anything Jesus himself said? You people are using his name to cover your religion. Yet you use, almost exclusively another man's writing to define that religion!

Wow. The Aborishas are even ashamed to use Onishogos ideas of worship rituals to conduct their own worship. Yet, recadelide, you do not open your minds eyes to see how far away you have missed the mark of reality! Jesus has nothing, zero, zilch, nada, to do with christianity. Even if you change your religion name to Christ or Jesus or Messiah. This will still not help the case with God ALmighty. The case of Jesus with his Creator is already defined, before Jesus was created. Stop all the nonsense.

The writing above is HOGWASH. No surprise there, since you eat Hogs anyway. Catholics is the mother of Protestants. Protestants copied the catholics. If the mother is bad and the child copying har can never fair better. My main man, Yeparipa, leavy Christianity, in all its forms alone. Come to Islam. Don't let my esteem cgift tells you to continue in what he, himself has some disagreement with. This case is like a person who says he hates to eat beef for example, but he uses the stem of beef to eat his fufu. What a hypocrite!

@Ndipe: The verse in the NT, that says Jesus went about the places preaching the Gospel, what does that verse mean? It is not teaching the OT and definately not teaching about his life, according to you. Since the four gospels in the Bible, never mind others equally important, but the christians refused to accept, are about his life. Which Gospel did he teach then?

@Davidylan: If your God Jesus had declared he was God at youth and then fell under the BRICKS of pure mortals, is that not enough sign that he was not God, all along? Subhanallah. Davidylan, I love you. But you can't get pass the fact that Jesus was an ordinary man? Deal with it, david. Deal with it. Nobody says truth will be a sugarcoated pill. Truth is truth. Jesus was a man. A prophet and nothing more. GOD ALMIGHTY is his Creator and LORD. Take a full dose of that and call me in the morning. Good night, Tiger.

@Davidylan:you should have screamed. I would have loved to hear it right here in manhattan! Even though, there is a lot of activities and so much comotions. You do not get it! i see your problems. I wanted you to tell us whta does it mean when jesus was preaching the gospel about the place? We all know that the 4 canonised gospels were written long time after jesus was raised up to heavens. But just did not think that i was asking you that what he was preching was a revelation, known in islam as injiil, in kiriyo, NT or Gospel. Was it collected by his followers? If it was collected and written down and passed on as it was given to Jesus, who repeated or preached it as it was given to him, without a single change, you would have an uncorrupted INJIIL.

But since that was not the case from your thesis, above, what you have is at best is not what Jesus was given 100%. Hence, you have corrupted Injiil in your possession. For example, was quoted to have said that none of Moses revelations and laws will he not fullfilled or enacted. However, after he left, what happened? Paul led a revolt against this very statement of Jesus: Abrogated some part of the laws, circumcision, diet are just a few that i need to mention for our purpose. That alone qualifies your Injiil as corrupted.

Further, some people advanced the hypothesis of Jesus being more than a prophet to son of God and co equal to God Himself! madness, pure madness! Moses spoke about God being One and if Jesus was part of God head, Moses will never have forgotten to mention it! Jesus would have corrected Moses. while Jesus was still not lifeted up. He had 33 years of life and 3 of them as a Gospel preacher to say it.

He did not say it, because anything said after him is pure fabrication It just does not make sense.

@Davidylan:I am not a christian, so my interest is zero on Christianity, considering the slippery slope of the Bible. However, Reverend david Jide kayode of Metro church, a baptist establishment in manhattan, was my room mate in school. I have asked him about christianity without wanting to upset him.

However a very interesting situation happened between he and me, about few years ago. In a friendly conversation, he called the Aborishas Keferi. I told that Alagba, keferi is a word that the Qur'an uses to generally describes Non muslims. hence, you, reverend kayode, you belong in this group too. it is then reality sets in. We have been friend for about 30 years, so am praying for him and his family to be able to move from this unfortunate label that will lead to certain destruction: Hellfire.

@Davidylan: Se bi medicine lo nka? Wow! The abrogated verses are at least left in the Qur'an for starter! When a verse is abrogated, the new verse that abrogated it, is a form of approach that brings the condition in question to a process of acceptability. Let me give you a very clear example of what i mean.

The arabs were well known for their use of Alcohols. The final process was to stop them from its usage altogether. The process of this final goal, was not reached until it was made into law in mmadina! Howver, it was mentioned, before abolishing alcohol consumption, that if a person is drunk, he should not approach salah, the prescribed prayers. So even though it was still okay for him to drink, while drunk he should not pray until he comes out of that drunkenness.

The same process was applicable to the command to make salah. They used to pray even when they were still in makka, before Hijra to madina. It was always compulsory for the Prophet to pray. Others prayed with him. The rule sof prayer was given to him at Isra wa Miraj. However, the command of it as full obligation came later.

I wonder if you were just told to abandone the Bible in one go, since tradition dies hard, we know that will be impossible. However, if you are to be led to see the fraility of this book, because of the inconsistences, which it contains, it will be easier to move away from it.


Jesus was given no book, you said. From this statement, one sees that there is an authority that is capable to give Jesus a book or not. But from your statement, we also see that this authority did not give jesus a book. However in the Bible, it is stated that Jesus went about the places preaching the Gospel. What does that really means? How can he preach the Gospel, when the Gospel was later provided from the Four according to First name only Gospel writers?

Which Gospel did Jesus preached all over the places he went? Is that part of throw us the many CURVE BALLS already thrown?

@Ricadelide: I am sure you are a committed christian. I have no problem with any religion, including Hidu, Onisongo, etc!

Innyour entry of Yesterday, we see where you are mentioning to me, about Jesus being the son of God Almighty. I just simply asked you to explain to me, how do you say Jesus is son of God the Almighty? Did God sired Jesus or how? You went about telling me a long story of nothing! I expect it from you, because you are a christian! All your hope is on this empty and unproven idea, that is so weird, it begs all reasonings!

The God Who created all things and gives them their measures is not able to forgive without allowing a sudden and tragic death on an innocent soul? Come on, mister!Yet, as you claimed this person died for you, in the first place, he was scared crazy to die. Even before his arrest, he was begging as if he was not raised for that same purpose. He should have known it all along, because he was sent to do this and he should have been courageous and take it like God, Son of God or both! Then when on the cross, he should not have coward like a person who lacked courage and then finally cried my God, my God why has thou forsaken me!? Forsake, that a word you need to analyse in that last sentence. (All about your dead God here as I try to open your eyes about, is not what we believe in Islam. It is contrary to the Absolute Power of God Almighty!)

Further, you went about your 100% grace and called yourself blessed! Good for you. Later you spoke about repentance and acceptance of 'His son', the great idea you have. Wow! I am shock that you have not seen the direct opposition of the two issues; If truly, you have 100% guaranty to go to paradise, because of your belive, and work is not essential, then what ever you do or dont do should not matter. All you have to do is to simply believe. However, you then turn to repentance and total change of mind and commitment to shun evil and doing good is a must. Thats according to you, in addition to thsi phantom crazy believe in death of an innocent man. Then if the death was 100% coverage, in the first place, why is there a need for repentance? Except that your idea does not make any diddly sense!

In Islam, we do not believe in inheritance of original sin. So from that point on forward, we are under the mercy of God. If a person dies before the age of puberty, like say 2 years old, we do not believe that he will end up in hellfire. But for your original sin wurped idea, that person has no prayer!

Since we follow the last prophet and he confirmed to us that Jesus is a prophet and so is Moses, we follow all of them. We do not discriminate against them. However, we recognise the true nature of jesus. His birth and his miracles as a prophet of God. Unlike you who has a diffrent idea about him, there is no dilltsion in our knowing him. We deal directly and not through any of these noble prophets! Having said that, I want you to understand that Jesus will disappoint you in the day of Judgement. He will not count you as a member of his nation, because he was not sent to you. He was sent only to the house of Isreal. I just dont know how Omo ekaro, ee jire, fits into that! Secondly, you lie against him; calling him what he is not. This is enough to find you guilty in the court of the Most Mighty in Power! Jesus will defend himself against all you atributed to him.

I invite you as one man to another man can do, to the table and fountain of mercy. Do not die except in the state of Islam. Your responsibility of salvation is upon you alone. Do not be deluded.

Can anyone tell us, that the man raised up from death, will not die, again? You can only truly die once! Will the esteemed pastor, who himself raised up the dead man, will never dies, or he will one day dies? Why raise a man up from death, only that the man will die, again, in the future? Even when you the raiser can not prevent your own death from occurring? Nigerian wonders!

@Davidylan: If an individual is imformed, he is not wearing any cloth, he should know that he is being informed, a civilized way, that he is naked or at least, not decent! Davidylan, if you want to to leave garbage, get out of the dump. You can not connyly, tell me to spill the beans, unless you stand up as a man to commit to my demand! Thats if you have a backbone. We already know that Nwando, will not leave the tradition.even if that tradition is a one way ticket straight to Hellfire.

Fortunately, the information that I have is easily obtainable! You are a human being first before you became christian. Do your research and know the truth, before death overtakes you! If you were raised as Onisongo or any one of the Yoruba's many traditional religions, would you at least have considered that God may not need an intercessor, because He is capable of dealing without a middle entity, a broker. This is the same thing. You want to eat your take and have it, too. Thats impossible.

We might as well be playing on this site. Your soul is not ready for the truth. When you are ready, you can contact me, privately. Go on, play on.

Sugbon, iku o do jo. Arun o do sun! Death is not only by age.

Hell is real and so is Paradise.

@Davidylan: Enu o puro kin nse jee. Where is your response? You can wiesel your way this time! is either you have or lack backbone!

@Jesoul: Don't be so sure. These guys listed by you are running scared. You should, too. I have an offer on the table to blow the lid off the bible. Two Bibles, from the same publishing company, one printed after the other; One has John 3:16, while the other does not! Which is the true Bible, between them? We do not have to even talk about othe BIbles, one different from the other!

If I can point this flipflopping in the Bible to you, I want you and your loved ones, to get out of christianity. Then study islam with open mind. maybe you will receive guidance!

@Backslider: I make you an offer, I think you should jump to accept, if truly you are certain about your religion. I made the same offer to davidylan, Nwando and co. None has the certainty of faith, in Christianity to accept it, yet. Nwando has chickened out. She will not wager her religion on it. david is tragging his leaded feet. before he was very whitty!

My offer is this; I will show you a Bible, printed, in the past that does not contain the so called 'God so love the world, he offered His only begotten son, yarry yarry yah, ' You know where am going with it.

If I show you that there is protestant Bible that did not have that verse, I want you to quit being a christian. You and any one you love. Okay? It will show that sometimes, people did not even believe the verse that you so much hang your hope on. Therefore, they did not include it in print. Then later they were pressure, after about 20 years, to put the verse in the Bible. One will ask the Question, which Bible is therefore real? The one that has the verse or the one without?

@Davidylan: To answer your question about about fake versus original; when you have so many fakes, you should ask where is the original? If you claim that they are all originals, then how are they different from one another?

I have a standing offer for you david: If I show you two Bibles, from the same publishers, one printed after the other. But they are not exactly alike in content,say one has at least a verse which the other does not have, will you then leave christianity, with your love ones? I only ask you for a truthful commitment here. And then, you at least study islam with open mind? Am not even demanding that you become a muslim, because only God makes muslims. Can I have your commitment, if you are truthful?

@MrPataki: I thought somebody asked if you were ibo, in the past. And you wrote fluent ibo language, in return. So, its my mistake. Okay am sorry. At any rate a Nigerian who can speak all the languages of Nigeria, is a better Nigerian. I prefer that Nigerian, to others, who can relate to another, outside his/her own tribal boundary. Again, i will take the blame.

But what about my offer? Abi Bibeli e o da e loju ni ee? Thats Oyo yoruba for you. How is Dutchland?

@Nwando: Please excuse my ignorance. I do not know that from my writing to you, just above, that you can deduced that I was saying that Jesus was not from a virgin Birth. Please forgive me. What I am saying however, is that just because Jesus was from a virgin Birth, it does not automatically translate to God being his father! This is what I have said! Contrary to your asumption, God is very capable of creating the impossible, like to command a virgin to get pregnant and deliver a bouncing baby boy! You, on the other hand has to bring the act of conjugation to it. You limit the power of God Almighty! this is the same God who created all things, including the Angels, heavens and earth, including the moon (I mentioned the moon to amuse davidylan's mindset about moon god!), etc! Yet this God is never tired and there is nothing impossible for Him to do!

Are you going to take me up on the offer of you leaving Christianity, including all your loved ones, if I can direct you to even a single verse missing in any published and accepted Protestant Bible? Yet the same verse is entered or added into another published and accepted protestant Bible, from the same publishing company? I will not even include the Catholic's Douwy version, in this presentation. This single proof of two different Bibles coming from the same publisher, at different times, should be enough.

You are a smart individual. Just accept my offer and be saved! OJIGBIJIGBI! Thats a new ONE! But I like it. Lets go.

@Mrpataki:Since we are not christians and we merely pointed out to you that your Bible is not a pure document of the Words of God! Is no wonder when the Yemeni woman looked at you with a look of bewilderment! You should ask your learned leaders in your church, that the Muslims said that your Bible is very Swiss cheesy!

Now, Mrpataki, if I can find a Bible in the publication history of christianity, that has any verse missing from another Bible before it or after it, or even what is in usage today, will you then make your own inquiry? If you find it to be so, that is missing a single verse, at least, will you then walk away from Christianity? Will you then investigate Islam using its Books, Qur'an and Sunnah/Hadith? I am not saying ypou should become a Muslim, only God can make Muslims, but walk away the unsteadiness that permeates the Bible, indeed the Christianity?

Mrpataki, you are an ibo man. the ibos are enmass catholics. What about the Douwy version of the Bible? The catholics are inexistence before tha protestants. It gave birth to protestant. How can protestant, copying the catholic Bible, even unashamedly obliterating some up to 7 Books, can claim that its Bible is the real mccoy? Think about.

Thats is not even my presentation. I want you to know that if you accept my proposal, and you are a man of your word, then your days, indeed hours in christianity is almost up!

@Nwando: If I can give you a reference to a single Bible, that has no verse that you just quoted above, will you then accept that your Book is corrupt and then abandone christainity and try to study islam? I am not even saying you should become a Muslim, but first walk away from what ever is flip flopping like a cheap flipflopper?

I have respect for your commitmnet. Please commit. You too, davidylan, Pligrim.1, etc. can we shake hands on this, yes?

@ Recadelide: What do you mean by son; not made or sired? Please, explain.

God made everything through Jesus? Please explain.

If the jewish holy book is also christain book, in addition to the gospel, they must not disagree, yes? If they disagree, which then is correct? The one that came first or the one that came later? What did Jesus say about God; One God or how many? What did Moses say about God; One God or many? What did other prophets say about God; One God or many?

What did Jesus say about God having any son, or begotten son? What did Moses say about the same Subject? What did any and indeed all the prophets in the Bible, befoer the advent of Jesus say about the same subject?


John 5;24; If you crosss over from death to life, then you should not be punished, because you believe, even if you die when performing adultery and any of those evil deeds, right? Your salvation from death is simply the belief and you are free to do whatever, because already has lifted the pen on your record?

Matt 1;21: To save his people; where is nigerian yoruba place in this house of isreal? Was not that we hear Jesus saying that he was sent only to this specific people, the jews/lost sheep of the house of Israel? Please explain. Enquiring mind wants to know.

If Jesus finished everything, right there on the cross, because of the big event, why do you quote to me Jer, rome, Hebrew, corinthians, etc? It should have been enough to stop at whatever jesus said on the crosss, period! Why do we have all these extra in the Bible and not Gospel of jesus, since jesus preached the 'Gospel,' all about the places he went.

Which Gospel did he preach, the four innthe Bible or another? What is that Gospel, a book he carried or what?

Am listening, Omo ya, talk to me!

@Cgift: Give up on what? The questions above needs your attention, too. Please hurry. I must leave for Jumu'ah. soon.

@Ricadelide: You prove the point of Islam. If the death of this beloved son/being can not wholesale cover, which is what you said is impossible, then its your believe in God as in His true worship and doing good deeds that will bring you the Mercy of God. Why can I send my son to cover your death, which I already write off, but then my son says to you that that the former condition of payment is still inforce? It means that my writing off of your debt is only a lip service. You still have to pay the debt.

Before Jesus, was there any process to receive mercy from God? Was there analytical conditions of sins and punishment, versus good deeds and reward? What then truly changes if you do evil and Jesus can cover you, as to against what Moses said long time before Jesus came. please take into consideration that jesus came to fulfill all the laws that Moses brought. Please list them and you will see that you as a christian only py lip service to it, nothing else!

As to Muhammad and the Qur'an, which he claims that is from God, the process of how to guide yourself, from sins and advocacy of doing good abounds. God says do not dispire in the MERCY OF YOUR LORD. He forgives again and again! He said, even if you come to Him with sin that you know is unforgivable, He will forgive. The condition is not to associate any with Him, worship Him as He prescribes, and be a doer of good deeds.

The condition of the christians to the muslims, is the same as the conditions of the Jews to the christians. The Jews will never tell you that there is a trace or remnat of Jesus identity in the Torah and Psalm. Inthe same token, the christain will never accept that there is remnant of Muhammad identity in the Injiil.

Read the Qur'an and then read your Injiil and Toral. Then come back for us to truly talk. Don't let us be emotional.

@Nwando: Thanks for the numerous English language quotes of Jhn 3;16. I aappreciate it. Please tell us, who is the writer/speaker of this verse John 3;16? Jesus or who? From the tone of this sentence, one is led to believe that the son have offered up for death! Meaning the action of death must have overcome this special son!

Why would any father offer his son up for dead, in order to give salvation to his creation, which is not so beloved to him as his only begotten heir/son/progeny? This father suddenly lost his grip on power, which he always have, up to the time of this special offer to salvage his creation?


Does this means, then that since this noble gesture has happened, whoever believes in this son, sent to death, that individual is free of all sins? Definate to end up in everlasting life, as in paradise? No hellfire for this person, regardless of anything that othersmay regard as sins/evilactions? Eg. fornication, adultery, stealing, murder, backbiting, embesselment, usury and any other evil ills, including idol worshipping? I throw idol worshipping in there because, there is nothing about worship in that verse that says its not permitted. More so, many christians are also buhdists and many other eastern/oriental religion followers.

To have a child, son or daughter, there must be a spousal conjugal relationship. Did God Almighty did that with Mary, the mother of Jesus? Or that God just commanded this action of pregnancy to happen, as He alone is capable of doing?

Is the essential makeup of this special son in its earthly form, diffirent from any other man? He did not bleed blood, did not eat, did not tire out, did not deficate; numbers 1 and 2, did not sleep, did not make prescribed prayer to his God Almighty, did not supplicate his God Almighty, etc, etc, etc, ?


You limit the power of God Lord Almighty! Did not this God make Angels, far superior beings than mere human being? You claimed that he was led by satan, at the same time, you said in death he went to hell and defeated satan in hell and took power from satan: Now tell me, if he could not even have power to stop satan from tempting him while he was alive and even ordinary bands of Jews tormented him and then slaughtered him, how did he suddenly have this power in death? If he defeated satan as you said, then at least those who believe him, as their prescribed lord and savior, will not have to worry about satan tempting or having any power over them, yes? Why is there still many christians having to be crumbing under satanic influences: Jimmy Swaggart, etc. Lets leave our beloved Nigeria and Africa as a whole out of this. Lets talk about the bringer of christianity, the Europeans/North America.

Nwando, if you have a son, then your son is my cousin's begotten son. I said so, because we love you and your family. This claim of my as your son being my cousin's begotten so, does not make sense? Thats exactly the point! We are mere mortals, then you are bringing OUR CREATOR down to our level of dependence. Yet He is independent and needs not even His angels to enact any of His will. Now is He wary.

Give me this quote in Aramaic/ Hebrew in the same versions as you have. You can do it. There some expressions in Igbo, that when turned out in other language, it will lose its pure meaning. Regrdless of how many translations you have in many languages, none is Qur'an. Qur'an, is oral and the sound is the same if you factor out the accent of the reciter. If I speak Igbo, as a Yoruba man, not raised from youth in Igboland, you will know and I will not sound as any indigenous igbo villager! So the same will go for you about the Yoruba language. My name is Olabowale, yet you write it as Olabowole. This is how it sounds to you. Its acceptable. But if you are to write Olu bowale or Adebowale, every yoruba will know that you have slightly changed my name. This is the condition of the Bible, sorry Injiil, since you are a christian, I will discourse the Jewish part with my attorneys, of the time before Muhammad made his noble statement till the this present day gazillion versions! As to be put side by side with each other and then with what Jesus said exactly, word for word!

Jesus must have said something. Do you know what it is?


How yoy dey? I am sure the weather where you are is not as cold as mine and for sure not as cold as my guy in Rochester! Enjoy it.

Pligrim.1: (1) Muhammad (as) said the christian Bible is corrupted already. Proof it wrong! Lets get a single Bible out that the whole christianity will agree upon! You will never be able to do it. In a million years! Ask the support of all that you can.

Others will come after (1) is attended to.

@Davidylan: Abajoo. O fowo kon Qur'an ri. O njiyon bi omu ti. Nkon ti mo fe so, mo nro ki nto so. O de ro nu, iwo omo yi. Hen? Kilo de? K ebi laka ye lo fi nlo ile iwe? Lo lakaaye no lati fi ro nko yi. Fi oju inu gbe.

But I still love you. You are so stubborn, its uncanny! You and Rochester fit each other like a glove!

If you read the Qur'an, the Darfur and the others will be staring you in the eyes! But you will not be able to see it; There is deaf, dumb and blind syndrom in the air. The heart is devoid of guidance. Not all muslims are good muslims. Thats why the leader of the masters (Muhammad bin Abdullah, AS), said that the Jews will be divided to 71 sects, the christians will be divided to 72 sect and the muslims will be divided into 73 sects. All of these sects of 71 and 72 and 73 will go to hellfire, except One, the sect from Islam that follows and obeys Qur'an and Sunnah/hadith!

As to Muhammad, there is no leader of paradise, other than him! Go and read the Qur'an, verses about Hellfire and Paradise abound! The inhabitants of each are described. Muhammad never remotely resemble people of hell! On the contrary, you will see many verses where the Lord of All things, yes, the One who created the moon, that Muhammad split along its full lenght, attaches Muhammad name to His own name; Muhammad rRasulullah!

If Muslims are people of Paradise, then it is a no brainer that their leader has to be person of paradise! So reo. david. Start to make sense, plehseeeeeeee! InshaAllah, I follow Muhammad and all those on nairaland who follow him, will be in paradise. There.


David. Kilonsele sie Omo boy?

@davidylan: But Makka and Madina, indeed are far than Oshodi. The diffrences bewteen each and Oshodi is like Lagos to Rochester, NY State! So if you can, show us a pure Injiil. Forget Torah. Thats a Jewish concern. You as a christian should get us a single Injiil, and i will get you 10, each will not be similar to any other in its group. And none will be similar to your control or flagbearing Injiil! You can't do it, davidylan!

Jesus christ, son of mary, the messiah of the children of Israel, had 12 disciples. Yes. Excluding Judas Iscariot, you will have 11. You only have 4 speaking for the 11? The remaining 7 did not eat, sleep and suffer with the master? David, shi ko renle. ( Thats my attempt to speak my Ijebu ode dialect!).

When the Muslims point out to Barnabas gospel, you complain and condemn an apostle of Jesus, the master. We have not even gone to Philip and the others. My question is this; Is Paul and the later generations up to this generation, more knowledgeable about Jesus mission and the exact delivery of it, than any of the 11 and indeed the 12 desciples? Why hide at least 7 and show casing only 4?

I know you will tell me they all say the same thing. Then why do you have the 4 which almost practically say the same thing? One would have been just fine. If that one is authentic and unchanging! But of course we all know that that is impossible!

Muhammad, the Unlettered, have predicted it. Your Bible will always be many and always going through changes!

This is the proof to you that your Bible is corrupt! As to the abrogated verses in the Qur'an; at least they are in the Qur'an. They are not thrown out. For example, a man who is a drinker of alcohol, if he becomes a muslim, his proces of whining himself of drunkenness is in the there. You have the Master Blue Print in there for all personal and societal ills.

@Pligrim.1: I do not speak arabic. But I do know that am commanded to believe in the Oneness of Allah, shun all other deities. Pray, give charities of all forms, secretly and openly, fast in the compulsory month and can fast for other reasons, too numerous to mention here. Go to the pligrimage, at least once after I have met its prerequisites. Believe in all that comes from God, the good and the bad events. have all my hopes in Him. Do work of righteousness. And do not despire in the mercy of this Great Cherisher! I understand the Arabic enough, Alhamdulillah to have intelligent knowledge about this Islamic way to hope for success in this world and after this world! I do not have to wait for a middle manto talk to God. He created me in the first place. he knows me intimately more than any prophet can know me. My hear longs for Him.

The conversation of Allah with His prophets, Musa, Isa and any, in the language He chose is His own Supreme authority, alone. If He spoke to the prophet in Yoruba, for example, can the prophet say to Him, oh, my Lord I am not a Yoruba, so speak Ashante to me, because I like it and understands it? No, Allah who gave speech and language and the knowledge to communicate, is capable of giving knowledge at that time to the prophet in that certain language, He is speaking to the prophet! This is also a sign to mankind. I have no problem with whatever the choce of language of Allah with His prophet! You may, but for muslims is 'we hear and we obey and we seek forgiveness from you, alone Oh Our Lord.'


But regardless of the language that spoke and revealed the Torah and Injiil, the point is that you as a christian have not even cared for the 'original language,' and what evr you have is already impure/less 1005/bastardised, So language or no language is Irrelevant.


Allah revealed the Torah, sabuur and Injiil to His prophets, but not in the text that you have today. What you have today, regardless of its language, have lost some of what was revealed, originally! Then God Almighty Allah, revealed Qur'an to His last and final messenger and vouched to safeguard it and it will never be corrupted. This is the matter.

If you have a fresh meat, and another choice is somewhat decayed and not so fresh meat, and it is stale and gives bad odor, which will you choose for Egusi and vegetable soup? Or even Obe ata, ila ala sepo,or funfun, or whatever. Unless one who is playing russian roulette, the choice is very clear!


I have to just joke alittle bit here on the soup thing since am talking to a great chef who will appreciate fresh ingredients. Unlike Davidylan, who will eat anything, because he is a Tiger!

@cgift: its your religion. You are asking a Muslim to research and teach you your religion? If you can deal with the duties of your religion, then you need to examine yourself; improve or find a another religion. Come on.

@Nwando: Fortunately, you are not me. Its very difficult to attack Sayidina Isa bin Mariam (as), a prophet of Islam. But since there is no true single New Testement, then I will have to research them all. Its a big job. I will have to go through all the versions, editions, revisions etc, that has ever been in existence. Which denomination should I use its Nes testament. What kanguage, since Jesus did not speak greek or the other that christianity so much hang their live or die on. They conveniently ignore Aramaic or Hebrew language(s).

One thing is clear, Muhammad did not kill anyone as a youth or turn over table before the age of 40! I will be back to you on your request. You gave me a tall order. Its over 2000 years of job, with so many different Bibles to aproach the subject matter.

@Davidylan: I am laughing hard because of your responses to me. The school fees thing. haba. Aburo no vex. Renle. Calm down. This is a serious issue. You need to search your soul, hard.

Bawo ni otutu Rochester? Its bruttal. Its agreeable with you, I know. You need something to tame the tiger in you. I am still laughing. You are very funny! This is no point responding to you. Its better to see the humor and that will make the heart strong. Thanks for bringing laughter to my face.