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Where in the Qur'an is 'Holy spirit,' used and for who; Jesus, Jibriil or who?

Pilgrim.1; Before you will die, which is still a long, long time, please do this for me: Do you believe any verse or some verses in the Qur'an? If the answer is yes, then I wanna know which ones and why? Please give us some spiritual basis for believing these verses. I will like to caution you that your Bible does not provide you any base for any Christian to make any reference into Qur'an. The Bible is not aware of the existence of the Qur'an. I will wait for your answer and exegesis, so that we may properly have a serious dialogue, not a debate. Debate is very confrontational.

In the long run, I will prefer that you come back to a religion that honors a family and does not promote a rancour in the family, even if you call that a lie. But it is better than deceit which is abounding in the Bible. But lets leave that aside, the story of Jacob with his brother, and others are stark examples. But more importantly is the 3 in one God. The God dying and giving up ghost or committing soul to the hand of another soul, etc. That is more dangerous and leads to disaster.

@Davidylan: Crusades are from Christians Europeans, primarily championed by French people. It has nothing to do with the presence of the Arabs in spain. Infact, it is after spanish inquisitions. Further, it is only and exclusively to Jerusalem. Jerusalem is not in Europe and it is not a European land. Sir, you are bending the truth. I could have called you a fiction teller in clearly a 4 letter word, but I do not want you to develop hypertensive symptoms or bust some gaskets. David, I could sometimes be very reasonable. I hope am not teasing you. For sure I don't wanna drive you up a cliff.


Try to relax. Paddy mi ni e. I know with a wink that Nwando's song is not about physical warring. You feel me, blood? Bruder men, huh?

@Davidylan and all: And the lamb, did not go willingly to the slaughter! Contrary to what is being projected. He cried out, 'My God, My God, why has thou forsaken me!' Then, he gave up the ghost! If this is a willing and wholesale blanket of forgiveness, then its very strange, indeed. God could have easily forgiven everyone, without this grusome event!

@Davidylan: You are too much. You get angry so quickly! Wow. How are you going to deal with your patients with this kind of raging inferno? Omo mi, pele. you still have to tell me what songs did the Crusaders used, in there several campaign to the holyland?

@Davidylan: Google to the christian missionary atrocities, be it in Iraq, Afghanistan, or other lands. Maybe, you will tell me a diffrent story, about the bible and wars!

I simply asked you, if the CRUSADERS used the same song. What circa is that song, anyway?

@Davidylan: You mean the devil is a Yoruba man? Is he still alive? My father died in 1966. may his soul rest in perfect peace. He was not evil nor a devil while he was alive. I seek refuge in Allah, from the devil the acursed.

Your statement is from your own interest. Not mine.

@Pilgrim.1: If you are a pretty woman, my dear Olayiwola, is 24 years old. Maybe I should start talking to you parents about you being his bride. Then I will remind you when you complain to me as your inlaw, that he was honestly frank about any subject matter that may relate to you. Supposed when you are pregnant and he sincerely tells you that you are unusually overweight. I will simply tell you that you had throw the gauntlet on such and such occasion, hence, you just have to grin and bear it for now.

Obe o dara lorun. stop and face the truth about life. You know many married women in your own family. Ask any of them. The truth will be told to you, exactly as Muhammad (as), told it, some 14 centuries ago. This is reality and please face it squarely. Abi I lie, Nwando? Your beau will not sleep in the same room with you, if he dare to say something that may even resembling putting you down a notch. demeaning your self worth or your own perception of yourself.

@Pligrim.1: What I have simply demostrated with Bioscan, since that simple idea is too complex, is simply this, Knowledge is continuous. Discovery ain't stop yet. What is not known today or flatly disagreed upon, because of the available knowledge of the day, may be analysed and then be agreed upon in the future!

I will simply answer your theorem about the alphabets in the Qur'an with Verse 7 of the Third Chapter, known as Al-Imran; He it is Who sent down to thee the book; Init are verses basic or foundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book; Others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except God. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say; 'We believe in the book; the whole of it is from our Lord;' and none will grasp the message except men of understanding.

Pligrim.1, so you see what is explained in the Qur'an, the basic or foundamental parts, and not the allegoric part, is enough to guide anyone, from before conception to after death! You are seeking the allegorical part, as to want to belittle the persperious book, you have your answer. It is self explanatory.

I encourage you to read suratul Zumar, Chapter 39. Please read it. May God guide your soul.

@Nwando: Your last entry, posted yesterday, on this subject has a name: Fiction! Produce you Nigerian born Aisha who you have been raving about! She left a path that is straight and narrow and began a journey that will end up in hellfire? So much for her thinking. Even a child can tell the diffrerence between suitable condition and unbearable one.

Don't you call my zainab your sister? Yet you are not related. Except you share the same ethnicity in Nigeria. Are not all black people indeed related? Are not all men realated through Adam? Why is it so difficult for you christians to get it that mary the mother of Jesus (as), is from the priestly line of Aaron, who is a full brother of Moses. Hence she could be called whatever she was called in the Qur'an!

Is it not in your book, that you are giving us the lineage of Jesus, as son of so many men, all the way to Adam? Yet, in the two paths of lineages which you have in your book, God, who you claim to be his father never was written down in either! Yet there are names in one that do not appear in another.

Being God, as you said Jesus is, maybe he is actually his own father. Just maybe. can you explain that to me? How does that work?

Is it not true that Moses' mother was hired as wet nurse for her own son? You find it very hard that he was returned back to his mother, while still a babe, who needs his mother's attention? Is this impossible as a sign from God Almighty Allah to bring to bear?

Islam is very far away from your grasp. You limit the power of God, almost to a human standard.

Show me your Nigerian Aisha and let me talk to her for a moment. You have my number. If you want it, again, i will supply it. Don't lead yourself to hellfire. There is a chance for a turn away frm a path fromdestruction, while you are still alive. Definately, do not be a means of leading others to the same destruction.

Yes David, Nwando, etc in Christendom: Who gave up the Ghost on the Cross; God or who? The man who asked the question, deserves a resounding answer. Who huh, huh, huh? I know Pligrim.1 is attending to end of semester matters in Ilu Oba, so she can give us her tangential take on this one. David, are you not busy the same way? Go study and also be ready for winterrim.

@Nwando: I am very carnal. I agree. In my head. May God Almighty forgive me. Unlike those who may not be carnal, but they fornicate and/or perform adultery.

Whats your thought? To not talk about it, but do it? Or be tempted to doing it, but never, but only talk about it? Which one is better? We are not talking about perfection here. Nor are we talking about excellency. We are talking about striving towards excellence?

Its a good thing that davidylan, is true to form, in every post. Don't mind him. He is just being himself. Its the Untamed tiger in him. Now we know from that everything is fair in war. Yet he claims to come from nonwarring religion, that only peace and forgiveness are all there are to it. He reminds me of ghostly neuclar plant owner in The Simpsons. When he was medicated, all you hear from him is, 'I bring you peace.' As soon as the medication wore out, it was oppression and more oppression.

To your post; unfortunately, the world is not utopic. People choose to obey or disobey God, the Controller of all. So it is no wonder that a good number of muslim guys are dating christian girls, probably not in the manner prescribed in the Qur'an and demostrated in the hadith. If the relationship is for the purpose of wholesome union in marriage, then there should not be any premarital sex. There should be a chaperrone, always to prevent the possibilty of this. Guys and girls, if left alone, unsupervised, the possibilities of what may happen is out there for any to guess on. Its like leaving a goat unrestrained in courtyard, with a heap of yam, etc. The hungry yam will have its fill before anyone get it from the yam.

@Pain: If you have a Creator, then follow the true rules and commands of that Creator to you. However, if you only pay lip service to your Creator as to make yourself feel good that you are cdonnected, it is all a sham and will lead you to ruin. The first thing is that your must truly find who your Creator is. Then know if there is a manuscript of guidance provided to you from that Creator. After knowing these two above, please follow it with all your might, body and soul. Never let it go.

@Nwando and Davidylan, et al: In that your great song, there is nothing perceive about it, as to indicate that it is not for combat/hand to hand fight/dropping of bombs and ammos on people, innocent or otherwise. Did the Crusaders also sang this song, to victory, in the slaughter of Muslims, men and women, young and aged? infact it connotes aggressions and advancements of frontiers and war enterprising.

Where is mercy expressed in this song? I asked, by my expressed opinion about three things, you only responded, very anemically to one, about the song. What happens to the cloth of your back and empty your pocket for the little guy, without asking for anything? All of these are impossible and can not be truly defined and defended by any of you. They are only a charade. A facade for which you disingenuously gain converts!

Its in the same pattern of the 1 God, but truly 3 gods in 1 God! Which is why Jesus could die off, even though, reluctantly so, because he cried to ask why he as God forsook himself as a father God, while the ghost God did not do anything as the son God was even hoping for intervention! Wow!

I need better explanations which can answer my questions. Can any of the women or men gave up their garments, right there an then when asked, even thought they may be stripped naked? Can the Christians stop consuming interests, either as a lender or borrower, etc?

Sometimes ago, I spoke about the same subject matter of turning the other cheek. A disingenuous man said that he may surprise me that he will let me slap him on the other cheek also. He should not deceive himself, to project such an imagine. First he should asked our learned Doctors about the agony of excruciating pain. If he is so foolish as to want me to slap him, however I desire, he might as well prepare his own burial, before I do it. That will be his last heroic gesture! He knows full well, that he can not do it, unless he will yelp in the same way, my God, my God, why has though forsaken me.

@Nwando and Davidylan: Aa udhu bilahi miinaa shaitaanir rajiim, Bismillahir rRahmanir rRahiim. I seek refuge in Allah, from the devil, the acursed, In the name of Allah, Most Beneficient, Most Merciful. This I say countless of times, daily. Even if I am about to sleep with my wife, when I yawn, entering the bathroom which I lead in, with my left foot. This is from Qur'an and also from the sunnah. (A fulfillment of leading to all things. None of which Jesus taught before he was lifted up to heaven.) How can I deceive or from the croud that support saitan or there is something about evil in any of my many names. Of course, I am a muslim and I have a muslim name. Then I am a Yoruba man. The Yorubas have a tradition of given many names to their children. In all the names, you will see a theme of ola running through. My muslim name was from the the family of my noble prophet Muhammad. I am named after his banker Uncle.

I only played you, to simply remind you that you have a war song. And from ages christianity have warred, within and with others. You can claim meekness. But we know thats only a facade. Your blood percolates with feud and always itching for wars and mayhem. You are many tongues. Truth is not part of your core mantra.

@Davidylan: For a peaceful, noncombative religion, that advocates the turning of other cheek, taking off the shirt on your back, at the first request,, even it may may result to indecency and willingness to part with all your money, even if it may lead to abject poverty: the thought of and actually having a war song, like the one above, suggest complete hypocracy. Taking of shirt off your back, is easier said than done, especially, when the mindset is based on insatiable greed for acquisition of wealth. The act of enslaving the pupolace by the few financial elites who empower themselves by all the forms of usury, they engage in is completely opposite to what they make others believe.

One will be forced to ask, where is the truth, really? Maybe there are so many shades of grays!

@Davidylan: Dan dave! You have to beg every question? Playing maradona about it? Come On! answer it david. You make me hungry. I need to eat to keep up with your dribbling showmanship!

Ore mi, if you can say with straight face that all are in the Torah, sabuur and Injiilare not really revelations, persee, I have your answer for you: Not all revelations, mean not all Words of God!

Man can not speak and attribute it to God! The secret is revealed: Extra, extra, read all about it. davidylan says that not all in the Bible is revelation as we expect!

David, I sent you a an email, did you get it? You are still my friend and brother. Even though, I flatly and completely disagree with you.


have a good night. For once, you spoke the truth. Its a big step. Onward marching _________ __________. Do you know the song? Its a chrustian war song. If you don't know it, I will sing it for you, especially the two words, I blipped out.

@davidylan: What is so interesting about you christians, really is that you will quote, corinthian, timothy, and the likes, to explain in unexplainable. Supporting your argument with very porous concept.

I am glad that I am not you. As a child, I knew with all my heart that God did not walk among men, in any form! And as i grew older and up to the time i had the time as a senior student, in high school, I became strongly convinced that Jesus was never how the christians made him up. I am glad that my mother is out of that bind bending crowd. It is the first step in recovering the people I love from certain peril. InshaAllah, you and others are on the way to recovery.

When you talk about Jesus, you can use the Gospel he preached about the places, in those three years of his ministry! You always result to using the, 'according tos,' and disgustingly Paul. David, o po ju yen loo now.


Give me real stuffs and stop this swiss cheese on bagel. they all have a resemblance of donuts. You see through it and its shameful


The man who laid down his life, if he is sincere should not have yelled, ' my Lord, my Lord, why has thou forsaken me?' Please tell me, if he is God or Lord, why was he addressing himself in that quote just now? I will make it clear to you again: Why will God be saying, 'my God, my God, why has thou forsakene?' The question is this, was he talking to himself or what?

david you know better, those who talk to themselves are considered dellusional, deranged or crazy. God can never be subjected to that kind of convoluted situation. never.

@Davidylan: Why would God have to be like you and me? He did not know the qualitative conditions that He had subjected man to, when He created man? Wow. No wonder your God is different from my God. Yours have to experience all these human frilities, in order to be justice or merciful.

My God is different and completely above all the subjective conditions of His creation, including Jinn and man! Yet He is capable of forgiving by giving unmitigated Mercy. And He will punish, if He will, whoever of His creation that He wishes to punish, if they disobey His commands.

Yet He allows a wayout, a process of reevaluations and then charting the part to correct past mistakes and seeking mercies and forgiveness. My Lord Allah loves His creation to return or turn back from destructive ways into a path which leads to success.

Have you ever heard of any King that turns himself to suffer like any of his subjects/ slaves, in order that he may be a just king? Thats just between mankind. How do you think The Creator will turn Himself to go through the same filth that His creation, goes through, in order to be just? He Himself is mercy and He Himself is Justice. If He decides to be merciful towards any evil creation, man, who on earth or in heavens, can ask Him or challenge His decision? He is the True Giver of all things. He hold sway over all things!

Who can challenge Him and why would He have to go through human difficulties to be merciful?

@Davidylan: What God said to Moses, from the burning bush onward. Is there any revelation in it. Even, all that God said to him, from that point onward as well. Up to the point that he died. Revelation or what?

@Pligrim.1: Today's post from David, at 12;16;45 am, Jesus was proclaimed as God! Therefore, you have God the father (1st God). Jesus the son and messiah of Israel and son of man as prophet, is God (2nd God). Will somebody provide the third God, maybe in the Holy ghost, which bears witness along with the two above and then came on earth after Jesus had left? Am just giving my dearest sister, a very vivid picture of what is murky , to her yet.

David. You concort the biggest fantasies. You have a show on the strip in Las Vegas? The Mirage or any of those places are looking for crowd drawing shows. Maybe, you need to be in downtown. thats where you can get the ordinary folks. Wow.

David, the pot calling the kettle black! You are making things up as you go along. Yes it is freedom of choice. The choice to go to hell fire by reading the Book upside down. Especially after its been worded and in time a different meaning emerges. thats what you have in the Bible today. Truly a freedom of choice. You think you can plead this freedom of choice with God, in the day of Judgement? David, check yourself, before you wreck yourself!

@Pligrim.1: Please point out the plagirised verses of the Bible, either in Torah, sabuur or Injiil, side by side with the Qur'anic verses. We will like to make the decisions ourselves. Put up or cower down. The bruhaha must stop. here and now!

If any one plagirises, the original can never be inferior, intextural subsatnce and in wisdom. Infact it should be the other way around.

Muhammad said to the Quraish who came to him with dry bones which they struck against the ground and in that instance shattered about the place, in small pieces. They said to him, Oh Muhammad, you said that our forefathers and us will be raised up for judgement, after we have been dead and became decayed bones? Muhammad (as), said to them, even them after you have been dead and even become bones. God will raise you up. It is very easy for Allah, He created you the first time! The creation was without previous example.

Baby, do not be deluded. Paradise and Hellfire are real. Those who make jokes of the commandments of Allah, given to His prophets, they will be herded into hellfire! hell will take them and still ask for whoever belongs into it.


If you believe any verse in the Qur'an, then you must believe all the verses. Your Bible did not graduate enough to talk about Qur'an. It is Qur'an that can talk about your Bible. Just like the Torah did not talk about the Injiil, with certainty. All your assumption thereof, is purely by conjecture.

david, I beg make you answer them question. O boy, don take style waka. Wakaabout don take him cover off long time.

@Nwando: Just for kicks, but is reality. Muslims or not, male or female, should not be engaged in out of marriage sex. Dating should be engagement, really and courtship should not be protracted.

If you are not going to eat it, do not put it close to your nose, as to smell it first. Marriage is serious thing. Muslims are slackers, just as christians or others. However, Islam has a set of rules towards crime and punishment. Unfortunately, the muslims do not heed the injuction of God Allah and the instructions of His noble messenger (as). I am a man who would not want any man to date my woman folks, as to creat a condition of unmarried sexual activity, even just one time. I will not do it with other people's woman folks.

However, no one wants to be given an already peeled banana. This is why I will prefer that my women folks and wives to at least put on Hijab. Burqah, is very pretty on a woman. You may actually find Halley Berry under it. You as a man does not want your halley Berry to be a community property!

My taste is more of Kenya Moore, and Tyra Banks' type. I love african women.  If I get with a christian woman, my intention is to rehabilitate her. Its like clearing a heap of dump from a site and finally building a beautiful castle on it!

You must teach her how to make hestinger ( Small wudu when you make Nos 1 and or 2!) Your sister enjoys that, Nwando. And there are still an opening or two. Laughing out Loud.

@Davidylan: All you have to do to understand what the muslim is saying is this:The Qur'an says that the Torah of Moses is already corrupted as you have it in your Bible. The Muslims believe the totality of Qur'an. Just to agitate you a little bit, what will you call the dialogue of God with Moses, starting from the burning bush, which was the first time God connected with Moses, and all the way to when Pharaoh and his army drowned in the sea? What would you call the speech of God to Moses? Revelations or not?

What then is revelation to you?

Since you are pure 100% Yoruba male, what is Yoruba pronounciation of your name? You meet me have way on this one. You are not an oyinbo. Omo Oduduwa nie. Ile karo o jire loti wa.

@Nwando: I was talking to my attorney, who is also a Nigerian and a Muslim, in New York. He knows your guy, Ali Sina, an Iranian. They have had a lot of correspondences. Ali Sina, is very paranoid and very subjective in his view points. Mustapha Ndanusa, got under his skin and he started calling him all sort of names! Thats the quality of this hero of yours.

Today, on yahoo news, Mr. Robert Roy, a Senior Science Writer for Space.com, penned a piece titled, 'Incredible Comet bigger than the sun.' Really, as I have noted, in my entry to show how naive Ali Sina is about Allah's expressed power in the Qur'an, creation and knowledge are still is continuing. What was Ph. D materials 200 years are now Bsc materials, at best.

Ali Sina, has stopped learning. Even for the fun of learning. he thinks that knowlege is complete by now, in the history of mankind. Does he think that nothing will be discovered, as a useful tool for knowledge, before Jesus comes back? Today, there is something called light/photodynamic therapy in medicine. Who could have thought of it, a mere 50 years ago?

@Davidylan: Aburo. Am gonna change ya name to Daud. Can I, Uh?

If Moses did not receive any revelation, What the heck do you call the the 10 Commandment!? (By the way heck is not a bad word. I do not want anyone to get crazy with me. David knows that am his buddy. LOL)

@Pligrimage; One is always a product of the enviroment and the nature which one is from. You can conningly hide the truth, as always. But for sure your heart tells you the truth. That is if there is a conscience. You have never been married, I think. For sure, I have. In my choice of women, I use set of elements, which are usually the bases for which I find somebody agreeable with me.

The reason I do this, is very simple. If a disagreement arises between us, will I be able to stand her, while I am still under some form of anger. For her, I hope it is the same principal that she employs and then decided to marry me, knowing that we are not perfect beings. If a woman simply ask her husband to know if she is fat, and the poor fella is foolish enough to tell the truth, that she is. Go ask somebody, if you do not know, the guy will sure spend the night on the sofa,a different bed or staring at the cold back of his wife.

Aburo, am stopping here because I got to get going. But a word is enough to the wise. If you think you have a good religion, good for you. God Almighty Allah will separate the people of paradise and the rest will be people of hellfire. Please do not come from the later.

As for Mr. Ali Sina of Nwando fame, Qur'an is for all times. Yet at the end of time, there will still be some knowledge, from it that are not even discovered by man. For example, alif, lam, mim, nun, quf, kaf, etc, in the Qur'an, no one knows the meaning and therefore, the explanation to any one of them. That in itself, explain what Ali Sina does not know. In the future generation, there will be more to knowledge than what is known today. We do not have full knowledge of all things, yet.

Today, there is a company called Bioscan in Las Vegas, NV, their medical devise can detect so many deseases, even at their earliest sign in the body. It is a device upgraded from NASA's experiments and it is a higher grade of device than retinascan. Nwando, please take note of this.

@cgift: Which comes first, Elementary school/Primary school or Post graduate school? Thats your answer. Go ask Khaled of answering Islam, before you come back.

@cgift: Which comes first, Elementary school/Primary school or Post graduate school? Thats your answer.

@davidylan: If I believe in the faabu, you lap up even graeter faabus. You should resolve your issue before coming to investigate my condition.