₦airaland Forum

All the people here are shouting and talking past one another. How can you here any one. is anybody even listening to another person. You may disagree with each other/somebody, but may also learn something about your belief at the same time.

There is no dialogue that should be wasted. If you are not won over by an argument, you might win your opponent over. Inshort, until you listen, you will not gain anything.

Even though I will never become a Christian, but i am willing to hear what the christian have to say. The christians should do the same too.

I believe that we should not generalize and therefore each other very carelessly as if are not pating any mind to our fellow Human being.

From the ranks of the Jews and Christians I have close associates and we do care about each other, both within white and black, yes the african and Nigerians- christians, I mean here.

To all the Muslims; males and females alike, to the rest Nairaland, christians and atheist. Greetings.
To the Muslims, I offer my salaamualaykum, warrahmatullahi taAllah wabarakatuhu. Alhamdulillah, Subuhanallah, laa illaha illala, Allahu akbar. it is Allah alone who guides. I thank Allah, the Lord of the throne supreme, who gave guidance to our new brother in Islam. He, this brother is always our brother in mankind, now he has become our brother in the way of Al-Islam.

I ask Allah, the Almighty, who without Him, nothing is possible, to open His mercy for our other brothers and sisters, on nairaland, indeed in the nation of mankind. May they come flowing into Islam as it has been the case in the West among the indegenious, whites and black and other hues, both young and old among them, the female and male.

there will never be a true muslim anywhere on the surface of the earth who can disbelieve Jesus (AS). The believe of what is true about him amounts to true Islam; his birth, the miracles and ascendancy to the heavens, all of this is Islam.

Again, thank God who gives brother babs787, words that affect the earth and brother Kama_C the ears to hear it and the heart that softens and accepts guidance. May God Almighty bless all of us.

As long as one is alive, the door of the mercy of the Merciful is always open.

To all who can't answer in the proper context that is logical that is acceptable to the heart and mind, Allah (Chineke), (Olorun) is always alive, pure and complete, always. Go to Him directly. There is none but HE.

@TayoD; It is true that the Qur'an confirms that God sent down the Torah to Moses, the Injil to Jesus. It is true that the Qur'an confirms that God's words are unchanging. It therefore proves that no one is permitted to change it, even the receivers themselves.

In this case it is not permissable for Jesus to change whatever he received from God, word for for. It is also true that even Jesus can not change whatever was sent to Moses, before Jesus was raised up to minister to the children of Israel. This was one of the reasons Jesus declared that not even a jot of what came down to Moses will be changed.

A jot is even smaller and less important than a single word. If Jesus was this precise about preserving the body of revelation, in the exact wording that came down to Moses, then I want you to consider which is the true BIBle;

Why do you have so many different Bibles; for example the Catholic Bible is diffirent from the protestants.

Then there are the othodoxy denominations. What happens to the ever so often revisions, in every few generations. There are so many bible that i wonder will the real Bible please stand up.

It is because from the time that Paul enter the ranks of the Original companions of Jesus (AS), that the corruptions, indeed in actions and in word, as it satisfies the new Intent of the writer. In this case Paul being the chief of them, with the hypothesis of Trinity, a paganic concept, etc.

@Olabowale;
I am a Muslim. So was my father, his father and so on in that family. All of them, in that part of the soth, in Nigeria. My sister, there was no one forced to become Muslims in ijebu ode. So in my mother's family. there are christians and muslims. Fortunately, in my mother's old age, she accepted islam. I am working on you and I am a very determined fellow. Nothing impossible for God to do. I will pray to God to guide His light into your heart, the hearts of your colleagues and those who are sincerely hoping to receive the mercy of their Lord in the day of Judgement.

My sister, what crime against a society, indeed an individual that you will consider serious enough that will meter some harsh punishment and I will show you another individual who may disagree with your metered punishment. Who are we to have an opinion about the commandment of God and His messenger (AS). all we have to do is hear and obey. In the days of old, up to jesus time (AS), believers used to fast, the fasting that will be considered very harsh in todays standard. Even the christians are still fasting this way which is not permissable for the Muslims to do.

I believe that if you are married and you find your husband cheating, what will you like to do to him. Remember that hell has no fury like a woman scorned. My sister, you should be sincere. The crime of adultery and its consequences are dire and no human being should stand for it. No one who engaged in adultery for the first time is ever caught. It is the repeated offenders that became very complasant that it is now second nature, this adultery they do not see as a crime and spead the evil all over the community. The symptoms of it could be devastating to the family because, AIDS could be brought in and some body is infected. You know the story, its very common in Africa.

I lived in las vegas and dealt with and still do business with Shia people and non muslim. Your questions about my opinion on suicide bombing, shia/sunni killing, zionist killing and others is the same answer; I do not engage in anything about killing people. Islam does not sanction it. Muslims is not supposed to fight in fragmentation and there are rules of war. I do not see that in all the efforts of the struggles that the muslims are engaged in all over the world. You need to know the ruling which is very clear to all.

After the civil war in Nigeria, the was a sudden wave of armed robbery, etc. It become acceptable that a thief was put afire or stoned. I never participated and even would stand by to watch such a spectikle. This does not mean that if i were to defend my family and loved ones and all the people that God my put under me to protect, even just that i happened to just walk by when there is an attack on this innocent person, then I will have to act on impulse to protect this person, my family or loved ones. You see i am a patient man, but i am not weak. i stand for justice, all of it through the prizm of Islam. The law of God.

This is why i speak up this way about the condition of Nigerian Ethnic or religious rifes. I do talk about this with friends in New York whenever I hear it happening; I never stop telling my brothers in Islam the evil of intolerance and my country men about patience and good citizenry.

So, I ask you what do you say about the evil that the christians, nations and communities are transporting all around the world. We all need peace and human to human cooperation. this earth is God's and we are the custodians. we need to keep it safe and secure it for future generations. We need to do good by ourselves and by others.

I will continue to pray for you. By the way clear your mind of all hatred.

@Babyosisi;
About my having problem with the wrapping is not the issue. I do know that stoning is permissable , they are there in the laws given to Moses, Jesus as well. (AS). You see i am not ashamed of Islam, but i could be ashamed of the character of the Muslims, me included. For me, i know how rough I could be if there are no laws guiding me and hence i control my behavious. Just as terribly the Nigerians are projecting sharia, I am not surprised that you will have this type of NEW ISLAM, even among the so called Muslim country. There are no Muslim countries. No one is practising sharia. What is unique about Islam is that we are willing to remind each other to go back to Qur'an and Sunnah to seek correct practise. We still have within our community, freely available to wealthy and poor, equally , the Qur'an and Sunnah. I know you are hurting and may God mend your heart. You have a friend in me, just in case.


At least you are honest enough that the shia is the group that practises it.
Further, the story you just told is not sanction by the law of Allah and the practise of the Messenger (AS). The unfortunate thing is that you do not consider what Iddah means; it is a 90 day term , what you in medicine call the period of the first trimester. for if a man and his woman get divorced, the waiting period is at least 3 months to see if she is pregnant from from their most recent sexual relation. After 3 months, she is free to marry any new suitor, except and only if her ex-husband wants her back and she agrees to the request.  This window is open for the newly divorced up to 3 month, the total length of the iddah.

However, if they were divorced from the third marriage, the husband and her cannnot come back together unless the wife, who is the one that is sexually limited anyway, will have to marry a new husband. This marriage is not by the above arrangement as your piece have indicated. That will actually be against Islamic law. The marriage to this new man will have to be of free will, man and woman are interested and agree to marry. If they marry, and for some reason they divorce and after the iddah, the old husband if still interested and the wife is still interested can marry each other, again and it will be permissable. InshaAllah. The scenerio that you lay out in your piece amounts to ignorance and who ever practise that is performing an evil deed, indeed.

Finally, there is no arrange or lets live together stuff in Islam. there are people who do it, but there is no justification in Islam for it. When you see it in Qur'an and/or adith let me know. This is a good assignment for you. You need it. With this zeal and enthusiazm that you have, you will be a good asset for Islam. There are people like you in that religion and their life become a shining light.

I have enjoyed doing this with you. In all, from my heart, I pray that God guide you and all to the path of rightousness.

Sonu Momo, momo sonu. That was the joke in the west in the 70s after Murtala Muhammad was killed by Dimkas coup. The Yorubas stated that when Obasanjo got to Murtala's mother, he combined yoruba and hausa together to greet the bereafed mother. But of course, he speaks hausa very well. Do you as well as Yoruba. I already know you speak Igbo. But do you speak the other less known Nigerian languages. To me a person who does is really a true nigerian treasure.

@Babyosisi; I saw the site you recommended on stoning. However, the way it was carried out, it has no presidence in Islam. No wrapping of the body and it was not necessary that hole is dug and therefore there is restriction to escape or even recount the confession and then spared of death. You see, the process of punishment is not as simple as the website stated it. The a witness to an illegal sexual intercourse can not accuse the parties who performed the deed. Even if you see the act of the organs intimacy, yet you have to be careful.

When a person is accused, the accuser will have to swear 3  times to what he/she was witnessing to. Then the accuser will swear that if he/she had lied, that the curse of Allah is upon him/her. If the accused does the rebuttal as to swearing 3 times that he/she did not engage in illegal sexual act, on the fourth swearing he/she invokes the curse of Allah on his/her own head.

You need to read about these subject matters and no that the rule governing it is very strict and allows a way out. I remember that i read a piece in one of the nigerian owned community prints in New York few years ago when the amina case was going on in Nigeria. The writer was a Dr. Adegbita or so. He was also a member of Muslim scholars from overseas who toured the USA with the first year after 911. In his piece he quoted an adith where in the case of Amina, it was possible to temper justice with mercy.

You will read in many adith where it was very difficult for the prophet to allow many apeople to confess adulterous act. The case of the woman in medina who confessed almost immediately the act took place was a good example. The case of the man who also tried to confess immediately as well was another. The prophet gave them all kind of excuses that just maybe they thought, but really they did not engage in any illegal intercourse.

The woman delivered her baby, nursed her and whined her and the baby was independent from her, yet she continued to ask for the punishment and finally she was stoned to death. As for the man, when all excuses for his freedom were exhursted by the prophet, he finally told the community to stone him. As the man was being stones and the pain of stoning is too much on him, he began to run away and the community began to chase after him. He then began to declare his innocence. however, the people continued to pursue him and he finally died. When the community came to tell the propphet about his recounting of the sin that he had freely confessed to, the prophet was so sad and told the people that they should have left him and stopped the stoning the moment he began to deny this grave offense that his condition was withAllah. maybe he was already forgiven at the time of his crying out because of the pain or at any time in the process of the punishment.

By the way why is a person who is married engaging in illegal sexual act for.

Your definationof Nikah halala is not correct. You can only divorce your wife once regardless of how many times you say you devorce her. You have to marry her again and divorce her and marry her again and devorce her (this is the third divorce, you can not divorce a person and marry her 3 times in one day, not to even consider the one occasion that your information source used). To devorce a woman three times is not in a single occasion, but really theree different occasions. You can appreciate that if two people can not stand each other that much that they have to divorce and marry 3 times, I believe that they need not marry each other any longer until they marry somebody else and devorce from that new marriages and then realize and make that effort to come back for the forth time. This is the rule of relationship between man and woman regarding devorce.

@Babyosisi; There are many paths to reach a good destination, as long as the path chosen is a right path. I was amused reading your entry, using the USC information. One thing you did not put into consideration is that of the honesty of the muslims. There are classifications of adith. You might not have realsed that you quoted a weak adith or not. the chain of naration is very important, etc.

For you to know that an adithis sound, you have to go to the experts. This is an advanced descipline.

Greater enemies of islam, the person of the prophet and his follows, through the ages, from the infancy of Islam when the prophet (AS) was still alive and up to now and even in the future had become muslims and will in the future if it is the will of the Merciful. Allah knows your condition and I sympathised with you.

But i can see you in Hijab bringing Islam to other people and struggling in the path of the religion that will make you alive.

Isn't Islam great, a woman is saying all othis in qatar. i wish i can meet her too, someday. I will invite her to nigeria so that she can educate the people who might have forgotten that you can not restrict the freedom that god the Almighty has given to every person. This is not new in islam, but she is a renaissance woman in this present day state of Islam.









Whatever Muhammad did, if he did it, it is true. Whatever Jesus did, if he did it is also true. However both of them can not oppose each other, so this is our differences.

There is potential in you and I will hope that you realise it. It is not impossible. Islam is already in Igbo land and it will grow, God willing.

As of the surah Nisaa verse 24 that you quoted justifying Mutah, you will have to read the commentary to understand how that verse was practiced after it had came down. Please bear in mind that before Islam, people the world over used to have as many wives and others as they can afford. The number of wives was a means of status symbol. In many part of Africa and nigeria and the Yoruba tribe that i come from, you still have from all the religions this mindset. Is it okay, i do not have any opinion if it is more than what is within Islamic law. Further, the Arabs of today, are still some of the uncontrollable sexual people I know. The Nigerian/African women go to arab countries even for this. the two parties should be ashamed of themselves. In NYC, there is the notorieties of the Corner stores in poor neighborhoods, where these store owners take advantage of the poor females for other exchanges.

If you consider the condition of the persons who were so sexual and now have to restrict their appetite, then when in war the re is what is known as spoil of wars. But wars are fought under a certain condition; people stopping you from worship and war was declared per the other party or your party.

Babyosisi, you did not read the commentaries and then read the next verse, 25 and the commentaries. This was how the Young nation of Islam practised it then. Of course, is there any war in that restrictve fashion. Even the wars that the pocket of muslims are engaged in, presently, i can not see how a woman can be subjected to this condition by a true Muslim.
No one is disallowiing any muslim to pracise the religion.

By the way, i am not making myself to look good to you or any one. I do not need the approval of man for trying to speak the truth. I am sure you are not correct in your reading of that subject of verse 24. But i do hope you open your mind and when guidance come please take it.

@babyosisi; I read the transcript of the Qatar woman, the clip of the information that youprovided above. My Allah guide your heart and the hearts of all manjind.

However you failed to hear her say that Mutah marriage is not permitted in Islam. You have to show it to me in the qur'an and in an authentic adith.

I will show you from Qur'an and ahith otherwise.

She also criticize her people about the marriage where the husband does not live in the home.

You will see that she spoke about the culture of the arabs, not truly islamic culture. The marriage of more than one wife did not start with Islam of Muhammad (AS), rather it limited it to a maximum of 4, with specific conditions.

If Muslims would follow 1/10th of what the prophet did, then you will not be speaking ill of this religion that civilized Europe and will civilize people even greatly in the future generations.

About the energy of the prophet, I will ask every man alive, is there any that will not want to be as energetic. many a relationship and family broke up and bitterness emerged because of lack of sexual interest.
Low sexual activity can result in adultery and bitterness and divorce. I am sure that you will want a man that has enough energy for your appetite, you are a Doctor, you know more than I do.

It is permissable for cousin to marry, but it not compulsory. God did not make it compulsory and please you are the Doctor, you know that family relationship is really begins to water down at this cousin/cousin family strenth. Even the American are now doing it. In some cases, it is meant for men/women who are shy.

For some who are bold, they need people from other towns/cities/cultures/coutries and even nations and races.

I for one like exotic persons, so I do look outside my core group for mate. This might bridge that divide, us and them.

There is more than one path to reach a particular goal, as long as the goal is right.

Islam is perfect. Unfortunately, the Muslims around the world are bad, at best malaised in general as a body of a community that the Lord of the world said has been raised as the best of manking benefiting it. In another part of Qur'an, Allah stated that we are the community of moderation, enjoining the good and forbidden the bad behaviours.

Why then are people around the world do not see this great quality from our ranks. I will then echo the cries of my Nigerian brothers and sisters who are not Muslims. We must as muslims stand with them and stop, if to weak but protest loudly to those people doing evil against them , persecuting them to the point of killing them. Who among us will not be sad about this.

Isn't it said written in the Qur'an that if you take a life, it is as if you had taken the whole mankind; Isn't the story of Adam and his wife enough as a proof of this verse. Can you imagine if either one of these two fore parent had died before the birth of their first set of children. there then could have been the case where mankind would not have existed. Further, we need to reflect and take the quality of our prophet, copy his kindness towards his friends and family and even his enemies.

Allah the Almighty said that you should be patient, if you are hard, they will all get away from your side. Allah said that if it was His will He make everyone a Muslim, but He allows people to make free choice of religion, hence people could have said Allah 'had twisted my arm /force me to islam'. I hope that our muslim brothers and sisters , indeed those in authorities among us to have good characters, do good work, do not kill, do not incite others to do it. Do not do any mayhem, do not oppress none muslims or muslims anywhere.

I remember when the young journalist in Nigeria said that if our Prophet were to have been alive , he would have taken wife/wives from the pool of the Miss World contestants. All of a sudden, the muslims in Nigeria ran her out of the country and many people were killed before there returned calmness to OUR beloved nation. I was very sad. What would have been the response of our prophet if this was said to him. Do the Muslims of Nigeria that worse statements/accusations were not levelled against this noble soul in his lifetime. Please study his character and how he restrained his companions and encourage them to be patient and not to get angry.

I had asked a lot of friends in New York to locate her for me, but still unsuccessful. I will like to know what was in her heart to have thought this way, then I will endevour to open her vista to the life of this noble man (AS).

Allah said that those who do not know the prophet will abuse him. It is our responsibility to introduce Muhammad to the people of the world and specifically Nigerians, home and abroad who do not know him. But we can not do this by being of less than stellar character. We are the reflect of Muhammad, if it is truly that we follow him.

Please, those of us who are not up to par, please improve your character and help others to do the same.

I ask Allah to help us all and relief the one ones who lost families and loved one in all of these conflicts and melt away their sorrow. We in Islam should thank Allah for letting the NonMuslims call us to correction, since they expect greatness from.

@ Owo; I commit myself and I am sure there are Muslims waiting to read your proof. please only from the mouth of Jesus directly. From the revelation given to him by his Lord who sent him(AS). You must show it and none of the Paul and interpretations will be acceptable.

Let me help you because i want you to try very hard; What language was the revelations that came to Jesus, in other words, whats Jesus language. So please get me the revelation in that language. please get me a copy of it word for word. I read arabic, I am sure somebody will be able to read it , eben though, very purely. Ask your leaders and the scholars before you write anything. Please refrain from your own opinions and give us proofs. You must be willing to stay the course. Allow questions, please.

happy trails.

To all the Muslims, male and females, As-salaamualaykum.
I am sure the best Muslim is the Messenger (AS). Since he was the walking Qur'an and in other adith, this noble prophet had said that the best of generation was his generation then the next generation, then the next. Further, it was stated that if the sahabah (RA), the companions of the Messenger were to have abandoned 10% of their Islamic quality, even that will qualify them, which ever, to hellfire. For us the very very late generations, never did see him (AS), except if in a true dream, if we can practise 10% of true Islam we will go to Paradise. The question is are we sure we are up to this meager quality in the vastness of what the REAL ISLAM offers.

How is it that we in Islam neglect our responsibility of goodness and goodneighborliness. The actions of our Muslim brothers and sisters around the world and in Nigeria will not be acceptable to the Messenger (AS) if he were to be alive to witness the low quality that we are now calling ISLAM. Where do you see this bad manners in Qur'an and Hadith.
The Nigerians from the East are complaining that the Muslims, specifically are killing them. This killing mindset has to stop, it is unislamic and unacceptable. The Yoruba Muslims should stand up and remind their Muslim brethrens in/from the North. Unfortunately, I do not live in Nigeria, so those of you Muslims who read this entry, spread it on. How do you show the nonmuslims that islam is truly a religion of good conduct and excellent character and peaceful when all they experience is hardship from the hands of the Muslims. The quality is not better internationally either. now you hear that some group are saying that they have to convert people by force. How what support is for this madness in Qur'an and Sunnah.

How will the citizens of Nigeria from the east begin to know islam when all they see is death of family members because of actions and deeds of other people outside Nigeria. please do not misunderstand me, however were not deeds which were worst done to the prophet while he was alive. What were his actions; remember the behaviours of the Quraish, abujahal, abulahab, etc, the woman in madina who used to put feaces on the path of the noble prophet, yet he went looking for her when he did not see the evil action as it was expected. i can give you many many more.

You muslims should be happy that you have people who are not muslims reminding you of your responsibilities, if you are truly a believer, then accept it and act upon it. How do you reject it when they have suffered death in their family and they fully well that it should not be so, not from the hands of those whose religion is to practise peace and their neighbors are supposed in their hand and practice justice.

Oh muslims, fear Allah, the lord of the world and do right. Lets protect mankind and all of the creations of Allah. Let's improve ourselves and our characters. May God help us and hest of rRamadan. May God accept all our good deeds and forgive us all our sins and guide people of good conscience into Islam. Allah is able to do all things.

@Babyosisi; I understand. I am sorry that you and others have lost family members in religious clashes in your country. First I am a Nigerian Muslim, a Human being who understand the pain of losing a loved one.

In my understanding of Islam, the things muslims do, can sometimes be against the teneants of Islam itself. The best of the Muslim was the prophet (AS) himsef. You need to read the story of his life and pay attention to how merciful he was towards his enemied, Idol worshippers, Jews and Christians. There were so many stories about his goodliness and then you will understand that the bad behavious of the muslims through the ages and up to now that you are talking about your country folks, those bad behavious are really unislamic.

If the messenger were to have been alive, he would have disapproved of the bad behavious. A muslim is to be kind to his/her neighbors. A muslim is a person whose neighbors should feel safe around him/her.

I pray that God the Almighty relief you and all those who lost loved ones in these unnecessary clashes. Its a shame that the large numbers of Muslims are behaving badly. However, you must understand that islam is pure and different from its adherents. You judge the Muslims by the books of Islam, Qur'an and Sunnah. A case in point, if it true, the supposed new group in Gaza strip stating people must convert to Islam or the Al Qaeda statement about the same suibject; this is not allowed in islam, because there is no compulsory in religion. No muslims can confirm that from the two holy sources.

For me, I know what islam is not. If it does not agree with human heart and prper reasoning. However if you lock yourself away from people because of their religion, then you may miss out of a potentially good experience.

I wish you well. Ndo, Obigaylee. laugh. this is the playful side of me.

@Babyosisi; I checked your profile and if I had seen any private means of contacting you I would have done it before my public entry on your agreeing with those people who had something to say about Ramadan,. It is your fried/roast lamb and the cartoon issue warning all southerners that I can not accept. The others, I did not care too much about their entry, but you, maybe I expected different. If I am wrong about you, then accept my apology.

By the way, they sell Ogogoro in the Northeast of the USA. Thats poor man's wine. All alcoholic are bad.

@Seun; Yes Jesus son of mary (AS), will come back. His arrival on earth is one of the signs of the end of the world. However, jesus can not know when that time is, it is entirely the decision of the Lord of the world. Jesus did his job, performed his duties excellently, but it not include predicting exactly when he is coming back.

@gbengaijot; Thanks my brother. The greatest quality that a prophet has is that God commissions him. All prophets are males, there is no single female. Prophethood ended over 1400 years ago, with muhammad, the Makkan/madinan as this last prophet and the seal of messengership. Prophet may not be messenger, but a Messenger is always a prophet. There were about240000 prophets starting from Adam our father and ending with Muhammad (AS). From this group, ther were less than 314 messengers. From this group there were about 13 who were given written revelations. The best known amoung these messengers were Noah, Ibrahiim, Moses, Jesus son of mary and Muhammad. Moses was given the Torah, David was given the Sabur, Jesus was given the good news/Injil and muhammad was given the Qur'an. There were physical signs of prophethood, it includes the seal/stamp of prophethood in the back of the ptophet, this mark is between the shoulder blades of the prophet. You need to read the life hitory of muhammad to appreciate this.

Paul/Saul did not have any of these. Most importantly, each succeding prophet does not say anything that is tantamously opposite to his predecessor. For example, Jesus stated that he came to fulfill the laws of Moses and not even ajot of it will be disregarded by him. The law of Moses stated that God is one and nothing is like HIM. Paul on the other hand goes against Jesus in this regard postulation three in one hypothesis, and equating God to man nature. There was no single prophet, including jesus who said this horrible thing that came from pauline movement, after jesus was lifted to heaven.

Paul and his cronies began to bastardize the ministry of Jesus and the concept of trinity crept in and in time became acceptable to the Pagan Europe.

You will agree with me that if you were to tell me something which I recorded for the purpose of repeating it and following the instructions it contained. If at a later date, my friend were to have listened to it, but did not copy it down word for word, if then he reads what he wrote down,you happen to have heard it, will this new wording/piece be your dictated statement to which was record. No, because it will not be it word for word. It may be be so in idea, but it has lost its originality in wording. Then if this was the corripted even further that anew idea was injected into it, will it still remain your recorded statement. the answer is no. For if you play back your recorded message and this new writing is read, you will see the changes are clear and easy to see. Now the bible had gone through these two stages as I illustrated them above. Furtehr, what we now have as present day bible are offshoots from this greater corrupted manuscript, if I could call it that. Compare the Catyholic Bible with the Protestant's. They are very dissimilar. Further you can compare many protestant Bibles, you will see difference based on time it was printed, every so many decades and whatever that specific group believes in. KJV/NKJV, American version and others. Which is the real Bible.


If I could not change your statement, how then some people or someone change the word of God and still acceptable as completely the word of God. Can you imagine that person giving you a subjective instructions and passing them as from God. What a confusion and going astray. If the purity of the Book is the only yardstick for going to paradise or Hellfire, imagine the billions of souls that are already perished . I believe that this is the greatest yardstick, for if you do not have a pure book, then all instructions from impure book, regardless of how much you try and sincere about it, it is a gamble. Unfortunately, people who are presently alive, a good portion do not see this, plainly.

@Gigiffe; My sister consider this, wave can not exist without particle. However particle does exist without wave. It is the dynamic changes of particle when it vibrates/in the state of kinetic that you will have a wave, generated due to that motion. Hence the existence of wave completely depends on particle, not the other way around.

In view of the above please consider that God is ever present, in the past prior to the begining of creation, at this present time and in the future, even after the world/creations perish. God is constant and unique. His glory is full, and complete, always. You can not say that about any of His creations, Jesus included, even Angel Gabriel was the spirit/Holy spirit that appeared to Mary for the announcement and the process of pregnancy and birth of jesus Christ the son of mary/son of man, meaning all his nature is of man, began.

Since God did exist before jesus, then it shows that jesus at one time did not exist. Now Jesus is no more after his he had existed on this plane. The present state of Jesus, presently in heaven is entirely in the hand of God. All the miracles performed by Jesus is by the permission of his Lord, God the Almighty. Without the permission of this true God, Jesus or any prophet, including Moses and Muhammad to name a few can not do anything. You need to know that muhammad performed many miracles, eg splitting the moon, (for those of you that Allah is the Moon god, there goes your theory), but his greatest miracle is the Glorious Qur'an, remaining unchanging from its revelation. This shows that Jesus is not better than any other prophet, eg Moses who heard the voice our Lord directly, more than one time I might add.

Since Jesus was not the last person to make entry in the new testament, then you must admit that even though you do not know for certain, God might have raised up another prophet to continue in the same path of the previous prophets, after jesus was raised up into heaven. After all God is capable of doing all things. read the Qur'an and you will be delighted you did; it may strenghten your Biblical belief or change you for good by accepting islam. At least try to read it. It will be a tragedy that at the point of death, when you see the reality, it will be too late. You have a chance now that you are alive.

@jagunlabi; thank you, i appreciate it.

@Davidylan; About the Bible, please go back 30-40years. This is an insignificant time relative to the 2000 years of Christianity. Look in the Catholic Bible, the books and the text, then compare with the Protestant Bible of you choice since you have several of them. As to the history of the Qur'an, from your writing, it seems as if you never have laid an eye on it and you do not realize that Allah is also written in the Coptic Bible, you see this is an arab word for God Almighty. Further plagirizm is not in Qur'an.

Let me show you; In Ghana, Gari in their language is Gari, and so it is the same in most Nigerian languages. For sure it is in Yoruba and igbo. Which group copy the other here. More importantly, when you read the story of Yusuf in the Qur'an, it become very clear that the same story in the Bible is less detailed. There are miracles performed by jesus (AS) as recorded in the Qur'an that the same does not appear in the Bible. Read this in Surah Mariam.

Why don't you ask the Arab Christians what name do they call God. Further since you do not know there are many versions of the Bible and that the Bible is constantly being edited, then i can not discuss this with you any longer. Please get a current Catholic Bible and compare it with any protestant Bible and see the difference. Start from this reference point. May God help you and all of us.

@babyosisi; I do not drink. I was not surprised at the others, but you it was very shocking. I read your entry, again and I came to the same conclusion. I am not a person without my bad side, but I must say that it was impossible for me to swallow you entry about the NORTHERNERS.

@davidylan; Some have eyes yet they can not see, some have ears yet they can not hear, their hearts are deseased.

@gigiffe; did you know better than God the Creator of all. It is the fallacy of the blood and 3 in one that God destroy by sending another prophet to correct this unforgiveable claim against God and Jesus His servant. Please read Chapter called mary and the chapter called The table spread. Then let me know your findings. The problem is that most people can handle religious truth. the religion of the parent may not be a true religion, hence it may lead to hellfire. I believe we are all trying to avoid hellfire.

@gigiffe
dudette, then read it. Maybe God will soften your heart and receive guidance.

@davidylan;
In all my years alive, I have never ran away from anyone. In all my years in america I have always stood and take it like a man. Now that I am a little bit wiser, I believe that i choose my fight wisely. I am ready to discuss with a person whose mindset is not the Motorpark/garage type. Yes as earlier stated, I do not want to engage in a tit for tat with anyone.

All you said about the Qur'an is wrong. The Qur'an during the life of Prophet Muhammad (AS), was written down, every word of it, not by one scribe, but by many and it was copied by yet a good portion of the community. It was memorized and the injuctions were acted upon. The Qur'an was used and recited daily by the community in prayers and in community events, eg marriage ceremonies, naming ceremonies and even when two or more people and depart from each other/one another. Even the community members corrected one another when any reciter made mistakes. The prophet was even corrected once by a companion. This tradition remain even up to this day. During the month of Ramadan the Qur'an was recited once by Muhammad to Jibril, and Jibril recited back to Muhammad. In the last Ramadan of Muhammad, it was recited twice by each. Inshort, the Qur'an was completely written down during this period, but it was not made into a book in any form.It was during the life of the first caliphah when the pagan arab tribes in other parts of arabia were killing  a good portion of those people who memorized the Qur'an completely when they were invited amongst them under the pretension that the are now muslims and need to be taught the recitation of Qur'an.

In one ocassion, 100 of this people were lost. What the Muslims did was then collected the Qur'an in totality in a book form in order to preserve it in the way it was when the prophet was alive. After the death of the first caliphah, there was no such incident like the desasters mentioned above , even in the lifetime of the third caliphah, but the  religion of Islam had spread up to far away corners of the world where Arabic is a foreign language, hence it was essential to produce a larger numbers of Qur'an based on the first. There were 4 different styles produced at this ocassion; The Kuffa, Bagdad, Makka/Madina and Basra Qur'an. This was based on the considerations of the accents of the people. For example the Indian Subcontinent pronounces W as V. The Yorubas will recite in Yoruba accent, different from Hausa and yet both are different from the Igbo. However when you hear it you will know what is being recited. Walsh is the style common to west africa and it is the predominant style in Morocco.

About your equating Qur'an with the Bible in collection and in the purity of its present copy relative to the original, they are not comparable. You can go to many nationalmuseum in Europe you will find fragment of the original, even before it was made to the first book form. A copy is in Turkey national Museum and I think you have patchments in Britain. In the Qur'an God said that the Bible is corrupted from the original that He sent to the prophets that received it. This occurences took place after each prophet was not among his community any longer.

A proof of this corruption is the ever changing content of the Bible and the rewriting and reediting of it from time to time. A glaring example is the Catholic Bible having more books than the Protestants. Yet it is the catholic denomination that existed before the protestant. Yet they practice the same religion, but they can not read each others Bible.

My advice to you is that you should find time to read a translation of the Qur'an in English. Today, there is Qur'an inpure Igbo language. It was translated by Igbo Muslim scholars.

@gigiffe; This is conjecture on your part since you have no real proof. You are a scientist, so think about it. i want you to read Qur'an, very thoroughly with sincerity.

@gigiffe; So why is it so difficult for you then that God the Almighty might have raised somebody else up after Jesus to refute the false statement about 3 in one and son and death on the cross, etc. I think you need to read the Qur'an and then decide.

The truth is that Jesus (AS), before he was born by his mother Mariam was just a soul like every one of the children of Adam. This is after Adam was created. Before then, only God the Almighty knows the condition of Adam and his children, Jesus being one of us. Jesus never had any role in even and God the Almighty is capable of handling His own responsibility, alone in His majesty. I declare that God is the only One to be worship and no one else. Do not worship Jesus, that will lead you to hellfire. However at one time during the time Jesus was on the earth and before Muhammad (AS) came to replace him, Jesus was the only one to be followed by the children of Israel who were the people to take obedience and worship of the One God to the rest of the world. However when the children failed in this special responsibility, God sent someone who is still from the bloodline of Ibrahiim through Ibrahiim's first child Ismail. This personality is Muhammad through him God perfected and reveal obedience to Him and it is directly available to everyone, every group, every race, every color, male and female. the special role of the Children of israel ended when Muhammad (AS) came on the world stage.

@davidylan; Is there any other god but the true One GOD. The Igbos call Him Chineke, the Yorubas call Him Oluwa, Olodumare, Olorun, etc. Every language has a name for Him. Yes God the Almighty revealed Books to His prophets, for example Moses received Torah (OT), David received Sabur (Psalm) and Jesus received Injil (NT/Good News).

However when they received it, and while they were on earth within their communities, there was no window for corruption. Each prophet could correct his followers, hence all corruptions were after each prophet had been removed from his community. In the case of Moses, it was death. Then came to David which was also by death. As for Jesus son of mary, there was no death, but he was taken up, alive in body and soul.

I think you need to ask the Christian leaders why is the Bible ever changing in text, meaning and in some cases, a good portion disappeared altogether. Take the case of the Catholic Bible versus the protestants. King james commissione a different Bible altogether because the Catholic pope will not allow him to devorce his wife and marry a another. This is shameful and even though I agree that a person should be divorced and get away from bad situation, but is that enough to start another religion. Especially when the new religion is based on the same principal that the old religion is based upon.

I think the Church authority is to answer all those questions. Those who sell the word of God for mislly price, satisfying their own desire against the commandment of God will have their reward in the day of judgement.

@davidylan; I thought one could be soffisticated, but am probably wrong so I will not dignify you with any response. Unfortunately, America is like the Old Adeola Odutola Grammar School in Ijebu Ode.

@gbengaijot; You can have any entry from any classification of entities, however do not say the whole Bible is strictly the word of God since you have just stated in your statement that others different from Prophets had entries in the Bible. I believe that Jesus performed his duties without shorking it, there was no reason for the entries of paul who was not a prophetto have been considered as word of God. Really, Paul work should never be in the same league as that of Jesus (AS). So that you know, we in Islam regard David, Solomon, Job (AS) as prophets and you in christianity may not.

@gigiffe. Since you sent your first entry to me, I had gone searching topics in advance physics. You know, I only took the essentials amount of Physics for Civil Engineering. But your paricle/wave issue is a more advances descipline, geophysics to be precise. In closeover 25 years, I have not read any materials in Physics, because there was no need for it. However, you got me curious and I went on reading on storm conditions where analysis of particle/wave and wave/wave are discussed. Most of the findings are theoretical and there are so many assumptions. You have here the web sites for your own reading; www.physics.com,searchfor particleandwave. On the 3rd topic from the top, click on it. I am sure you will find your answer; Non linear processes in Geophysics.

By the way, do you relegate your attempt to explain away your god into such a material material thing, knowing fully well that they do not parallel each other. There are something that are absolute, God is that whole. If the Qur'an did not give an challenging answer and thereby refute the 3 in one concept, then you might be able to pull one over the eye of every thinking person. Over a hundred years ago, there are many things known now that were unimaginable then, it did boguled the mind. The same question you asked about particle/wave you did not know it, yet you are the physicist here. Nice one my sister.

About how mariam got pregnant, it is very easy by God indeed to command anything to occur. What you and me agreed upo is that Mary was young when she got pregnant. The pregnancy was at some age that she was physiologically capable to be pregnant. The did not have sex with any man, however the Angel of her Lord appeared to her to inform her of this unusual event to her. The rest of it you can read the about it in the hadith of Muhammad and a book called the story of the prophets. The birth of Jesus is simply by the commannd of his Lord, Be. Immediately the process began uninterrupted.