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Can any christian help tayoD to know the relationship between Catholic sect and the Protestants, etc. Which one is first and which one is an offshoot. By the way if any one can help himto understand his porprted religion it will be nice, too.


I am very tired of him. I am trying to understand him, but it is very difficult. He does not understand and he quickly forget his own writing and fails to refer back to any when it is required.

I almost believe that he and davidylan are good for each other. hence i am ignoring them altogether.

@Dayokanu, Babyosisi, et al.
It will be interesting to know that even thought the entries about thecompilation of the Bible, clearly pointed to the real issue of Bible; it is a book that has had man's hand in it, hence it is not devine any longer. This is not to say that you will not find some remnants of truth in it.

This is the way of God. When it is His decree that He makes something clear, the process is but put in motion . You know, Qur'an confirms what it confirms.

Slavery of Blacks in Africa and in the new world and Europe, is based on Biblical foundation. Unfortunately, there might have been Muslims who participated in the trade, there condition is with the lord of the world. However, no one can say that Qur'an teaches superiority of one race over another. The Caller of Prayer in the time of Prophet Muhammad was a former slave black Africa. The position of calling people to prayer is a honored one. Poor and wealthy, young and old wants to be the one occupying that position.

Even the the position of papacy, a Nigerian cardinal was qualified, they passed him over. Here in America, the most known Muslim is a black man. Yet there are many notable White americans, but the ranking or leadership in Islam is measured only by Piety and God consciousness.

Some of you christians call the beloved of the Almighty, your Creator and mine names and descriptions that you will be burnt in hellfire for when you come before the One Mighty in Power, Wise. My advise to you is that you turn back and seek forgiveness. God is capable to do all things.

@Twikledew;
Sallam is really spelled; Salaam. In English it means "Peace" Now you can translate it to any language that you wish.
A rose is nothing but a rose.

@Kazyjabani; Okare. Washere Bami. Beni tienri. The only thing I disagree in the way you describe yourself is the Iku-Baba-yeye thing.

If you see Iku, you will want to run, but you can't.

I wish you well. If you are a muslim, Happy ramadan. If you are not, i wish you well, too.

@TayoD: I am already gone about my business. Except that the Catholics will be happy to know from you that they are not christians. Don't you know that the protestants broke away from Catholizm and your Bible is based on the cathlic Bible. It really shows how much you know about the origin of "Christianity".
Stop wasting my time.

@TayoD: Catholic Website. Please Google and search for original sin and then read all your entries on the suject matter. Otherwise you are wasting my time. If I stop responding to you, it is not because that I think that you are right. Rather you have wore me out and i give up because i just can continue with you seeing that you are not paying any attention to your own writing.

On one hand, you had mentioned Original sin even as early as May. When I asked you about it, you began to exercise your 5th amendment right. My real question to you is that what is the reason that Jesus will have to take any body's sins on him especially when everyone is responsible for his/her own action. You either belief and do work of righteousness or you truly disbelief and even when you do good work, the disbelieving in you is the greater ingredient that will bar that individual from paradise.

You belief there is paradise and hellfire, no? How do you get there is only by obeying the commandment of the ONLY GOD. There is only One way in every Generation about this, There is no association of anything with worshipping THE GOD, not even the angels, any prophets (Jesus is a prophet(AS)) and then you do good work for the pleasure/sake of the ONLY ONE GOD.

I am trying to practice the PRACTISE. First I do not associate anything with THE ALMIGHTY. What you are doing is that I begin to associate anything in the person of Jesus with GOD! You will never succeed in this with me and any Muslim. (INshaAllah).

You can put the Sun in my right hand and the moon in my left . I will never come to your camp. there is no need that you continue to try to convince me. You want to remain the way you are, good for you. I will remain the way I am. Thank you.

@Davidylan; You must be getting-off on this hardness of your tone. You are not going to drag me into your mess. you wanna wallow in the mud, hey bud, continue. I am sure its good for your ego.

@TayoD: The unfortunate thing is that I did not study Qur'an as a child. Very typical of good number of the Yoruba Muslim families. Fortunately, i remained muslim and the lord of Things brought me to America to understand islam. Of all places on earth, i learnt Qur'an on this shore.

Now to your issue; It seemed to me when you quoted "Original sin" in your response to the Reverend in the month of may, you must have used it as a Biblical/Christian terminology. You did not use it as a person who did not believe it means something. I am asking you now, what do you think it means Biblically/in Christiandom. If you do not know and did not believe it meant something but used it nontheless because you like how it sounds, or any other reason then its okay.

I gave you the google search process so that it might best help you to understand that some christians believe there is original sin. In Islam, we are of the belief that Adam/Even sin was on them. They asked for forgiveness, God accepted their repentance. There is no where in the Qur'an and no one can tell me that Adam/Eve will go to Hellfire. It is not reported anywhere that they sinned again or that Jesus will be the intercessor for them.

As as muslim it is my responsibility to share the truth which is Islam with you. I am inviting you to good. If you like, accept it, if you do not like, reject it. To you the deeds of your soul, to me the deeds of my soul. God who is merciful, having a mercy that encompasses everything on eartha nd in even, the known and the unknown is capable of forgiving every one. He does not need to slaughter/punish/let somebody else be killed as an attoinment/means of forgiveness for you or me.

God is not unjust and He is able to do all things. I personally do not have the time to argue with you or anybody who is stuck in the Mud and do not want to learn.

I can discuss with you matters of the heart and other branches of living, but we are writing pass each other and it is not beneficial to you or me.

@Davidylan;
So you will not be raised up after you are long dead for Judgement day? It is easy for Allah the Almighty, He will raise our fore fathers and mothers up, starting from Adam, to the last generation of mankind that will live on the planet earth.
Oh, when jesus (AS), son of Mary comes back, he will out his remaining life and dies. he will be recreated by God, like all mankind before him and all that have came after his first appearance on earth, and so on. If you do not belief in this, then you never belief there will be a day of Judgement.

Therefore, I am finish with you. I have been cordial with you all along, disregarding your tirate, screams charging it to the cold weather of Rochester. But if you want to play ignorance then I will just leave you alone to your fate.

Except that people are aware that what goes up must come down. It is a common proverb/adage among the african tribes that nothing that is falling from the sky that the earth will not be able to take the impact.

Just because Einstein explained the nature of gravity, as is known today, did not mean that he had anything to do with it. Maybe in the future, a greater man than Einstein will give his generation a better and more thorough knowledge of Gravity.

God is always present. There was a time that Jesus never existed even as a Soul. There was a time that God was alone without any of His creations, even the Angels.
Jesus was alive for some time, yet God continue to be the Majestic. After jesus was raised up, this is by the Might of the Mighty God, God continue to be full in Might, Powerful

God remains the same in Fullness and every face shall perish, on earth, in heavens, including the Angels,Jibril, Michael etc. Even the Angels that carry the Throne of the Owner of the Throne Majestic. The Angel of death shall die as well. God the Almighty shall remain.

After all of these, He will recreat us from dead for the day of Judgement.

The Judgement belongs to Him, alone. No one will come to Him except as a servant/slave, under full Humility to the One Mighty in Power. I pray that we are not dying when this realization hit us. then it will be too late.

@TayoD: If you do not know what original sin is, why did you use it in your response to Reverend? You just use something without being able to stand up and defend it.

You should ask your pastor/preacher or somebody who has better understanding of your religion than you. Obviously you do not have enough know how of the religion, because you should not be asking a MUSLIM to research it for you.

Anyway, just to prove a point, I Google search ORIGINAL SIN. You and others should do the same. What you will find in the Catholic writeup on it will surprise you. Its too long for me and I am not a specialist in Computer, I do not know hoa to cut and paste. So there.

You should know that the Catholic sect of christianity is older than the protestants as a whole and you have so many mini-mini set in the protestant. Which one are you. Even Nigeria have there own special mini-mini set; The cele, the Aladura to name a few. Are there newer groups now in Nigeria.

TayoD, stop and smell the coffee. Think about your own destiny and do not be blinded by feel good and unnecessary idealog.

@OWO; Did you go to the thread that I had mentioned concerning tayoD's response to Reverend? If you did and read through what TayoD entered therein, you will probably not have responded to me the way you did, in your last entry. Probably, you would have asked TayoD to explain himself.

To support my statement, again, below is what Mr. Simon Kolawole of This day (African views on Global News) Journal wrote. This is on Nigeria.com Website, under an article Titled: Atiku Vs Obasanjo: The Original Sin.

Mr. Kolawole is probably a Christian, but Sure a Yoruba . Is Original sin stated here as part of the title of his topic and repeated on the last full line of this article a Yoruba based or christian based. You know, a whole bunch of people use this Original sin expression outside Yoruba tribe, indeed outside Nigeria, Africa.
My hope is that you should Mr. Owo write Mr. Simon Kolawole to explain to you what original sin is and if it is in the Bible. If it is there is your answer. If not, then I want to know why are Christs saying and claiming things/ideas that has no clear basis in their religion and passing it out as something natural/real/acceptable.

Mr. Simon Kolawole's emailt address is simonkolawole@thisdayonline.com. He made this entry of his with the Phrase'Original Sin' on the 10th of September, 2006. His email is a public record, clearly available from the article.

Please do not argue blindly. Your defense does not bode well in this case.

I have stated it again, that Islam has nothing called Original Sin in it.

@TayoD and all;The fourth and last paragraph of a response to Reverend on a topic: The concept of the Original sin was Developed by saint paul not God.

TayoD made this entry on May 1, 2006. It was logged in at 4;58pm. I hereby quote TayoD's stated paragraph;

As pointed out, the Original Sin has nothing to do with Sex. It is the Sin Nature> I know you have no clue what that is all about.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, this is the same tayoD who has the strenght to ask me yesterday , Friday, September 8, 2006, that where in the Bible is Original sin mentioned.

My question to tayoD is this; If it is not in the Bible and if the Christians do not tell people that it does exist, then tell me where do you learn about it that you enter it as quoted above.

You may need to rethink your understanding, rather than get so roused up that you are not even following any logic.

For sure, Islam does not teach original sin. Every one is the Architect of his/her own destiny; true belief and worship and doing good deeds.

@Babyosisi;
Your statement is not worth its value in Salt. Now this is the amount of salt that maybe sprinkled on just one meal. My dear Sister, when you want to talk and its not just idle talk and in jest, we can start over again; respecting each other, one another and pondering on what is said with clear mind and adequate intelligence.

@TayoD; Obviously, I need not rspond to you and your ilk any further. The only reason is that you all chosed to ignore any ounce of Reasonibg.

Your saying that I am unintelligent is not so important to me. Afterall, you are entitled to your opinion, but it may not be true.

I am not personally offended, except I believe that our contuing on this path of tit for tat is not in my line of objective.

I need people whose hearts are eager to absorb real KNOWLEDGE. Whenever you are ready, God willing, I will give you food for thought, none of this close-nindedness that has been exibited so far, even from person with specialized descipline.

@Babyosisi; Goodnight. However when ever you want constructive conversation I will provide my contact. I gave you evidences to the corruptibility of Bible, but you seemed not to have read it. You are so angry.

Take it easy. Drink cold water. No alcohol.

@Babyosisi; You lie. Gigantic lie. Its like the Count MoncheHousen issue. No, worst.

may God the Almighty Who is able to do all this soften your heart.

Sorry sister. No one can help you by lying to you. No one will live forever, not even the Angels. You are born, you live your appointed time and you die. Inbetween birth and death there is function/duty/responsibility.

The greatest of this is to worship God in the prescribed way. If you do not know that, then i must introduce you to Islam. Go and read the first few chapters and then we can do this again.

God said in the Qur'an "And I did not creat Jinns and mankind, except that they Worship Me'

@babyosisi; It is true that Prophet jesus was peacefu, so was Jaoh is Cousin, Zakariyah, Joseph, Yaqub, Isiaqa, Ismaila, Ibrahiim (AS) their father.

Jesus was not unique in this character. It is a trait of Prophethood. When you know Muhammad their successor, you will see the same thing. His suffering at the hand of makkans was for ten years, it was gruesome. Within that period, many muslims, men and women alike were killed. He went to taif to preach to them to worship God, they stoned him so much so that his whole body was bloody.

The Angel that God put in charge of the mountain and Jibril came to him for Muhammad to give the command to destry the people of taif. If Muhammad had given the command, taif would have destroyed by the mountain crushing it. Muhammad (AS) did not give that command, stating that maybe later generations from that city will become Muslims, even if the present inhabitant would not. Today the whole of taif is Muslim.

He left makka and took refuge in madina, then known as Yathrib. He organized and formulate a constitution among its inhabitants; Jews, Christians, Idolators and the small bands of the Muslims. they cooperated among themselves and Muhammad (AS) and the Muslims never broke their alliances. It was always the non Muslims that broke each and every alliance. When alliance is broken, it is natural that all bets are off.

Whenthe Muslims began to fight in wars, it was in self defense. there was no time that the Muslims started the aggression. The Muslims won many war and were very merciful to the captives; The victory of badr for example.

When Muslims under the leadership of Muhammad (AS) conquered makka, without shedding blood, he entered the city not riding on his animal. He lowered his head in reference to the God, Allah ta'ala, who made the victory possible.

He went to the ka'aba and tumbled each and every one of the 360 idols in this Holy House. All of them were destroyed all the while praising Allah the Only GOD> This destoys the baseless hypothesis of each person that we Muslims worship Idol (Some say the moon god)

The God that we worship is the same God that Jesus and all the other prophets (AS) and those who truly followed them worship.

As for moon god, have you heard that Muhammad (AS) splitted the moon into two, each half moved so far apart that it appeared as if they were resting on the two mounts next to each other still in Makka. He did this, because the makkan said he should split the moon if it is true that he is a prophet. He said Bismillahir Rahmanir rahiim and when he spread wide his two hands as if to direct the traffic, the moon splitted.

He also brought them together by invoking the name of Allah, the True God (The God, Deity).

I believe that this will help you to begin to change your opinion. You must never forget that you have bad Muslims, that thus not say Islam is bad.

@Babyosisi; I read your last entry, and I said, neeh. So I left it alone without any reply to it.

@TayoD; Thanks for your questions.
Please can you tell me what is the reason that you need Jesus to die for your sins. If you can tell me the answer and if you belief in Original sin. What is the original sin and what is the essence of Jesus 'death'.
When you give me the answers, then I will give you a very strong and direct reply.

Further, the relevance of the language of Jesus is that is the language which revelation came to him. Not in a strange language that neither he nor his people spoke.Have you or any Billions of Christian seen a Bible in that language. If this is no, then how are you certain that what you have is pure, exactly what was given to Jesus. Since you are not sure and coupled with the fact that the Bible is ever changing in text and structure and books, then you do not even know which version or copy or denomination that is correct. When I was in las vegas, a Mormon young men came to my home and they believed that the Bible they have is the truth and the rest is not. They even claimed an angel marooni appering with jesus to appoint/anoit Sam/ whoever their 'prophet ' is. I guess America needs its own prophet.

However, you will see from my entry above from the Qur'an, it is very clear and profound that it is stated that the Bible has been corrupted and yes it has remain corrupt. You have so many Bibles that I am tempted to ask "Will the real Bible, please stand up from the many versions and productions available from the time that Muhammad (AS) from the Qur'an made this declaration of the corruption.

@Owo; Omashe oo. If i have a Dollar every time people go to the creation of God, instead of going directly to God, especially when that creation went to god and it is recorded; i would have become a trillionaire. i would have gone back to nigeria, began a renaissance of Africa from there.

Brother Owo, sorry, i had to use yoruba there to express myself. If you need to read a pure book, read the only one, Al Qur'an and then you will be alive.

@davidylan;
Unfortunately, you seem to be unsure of yourself. My challenge to all of my brothers and sisters is simple; I want you to take a sincere oath that you will abandone Christianity and become Muslim, if i show you the followings;

The Qur'an confirms that it is God that sent down, Torah, Sabur, Injil and Qur'an to the receipant prophets.

At one time, before Qur'an, Torah, Sabur and injil were pure and unadulterated. The time of each prophet was available in his community.

For our discussion; we will talk about Injil/Gospel.

I will provide the portion of the Qur'an that clearly states that the Bible that existed during the time of Muhammad (AS) was corrupted. Therefore if this is the base of the present day Bible, the so many versions and other revisions, then it proves that you have no leg to stand on.

If this is the case, then will you open your heart and accept Islam.

When you are ready, let me know.

I am even willing to provide my phone number to anyone. But i want serious minded people.

What will it benefit you in the day of Judgement to finally realize that what you have hung your HAT on is UNACCEPTABLE. Infact you will realize this at the point of death, when the soul is being removed from the body. LIFELESS.

@davidylan; I hope you have some understanding. In the Bible you still have remnant of truth, not in the exact word for word that it was originally revealed. The truth is what is supported by the Qur'an; like One God, and others. Where we differ is that the Bible is not in its original stae, in which it was revealed to those that were the prophets; Moses, David and Jesus (AS). I have challenged all of the christians on nairaland. I have responded to you, but can you accept my humble challenge that i will show you and others, including my sister babyosisi, that you abandone Christianity upon my presenting to you that the Qur'an confirmed in portion that the bible is corrupted.

I understand the Yoruba language/culture, so i will use it to tell you that even the Olorishas, the Onishangos and others who worship Idols even believe that there feet are firm on straight path.

I wish i know other Cultures, like Igbo, hausa and others, i could have used their Idol worshipping system of believe in the same way. Look Seun the Moderator believes that he is on the right path, with both feet firmly planted. If he believes that he is on a path that is crooked, don't you know he will rush to that new path that is now acceptable to him as straight away.

I admire seun, he has created something that has allow all of us to have our view points, somewhat with a little kinks, here and there. Maybe as we all work toward bridging that great divide, seun might see reasons.

@Logical; Thank you my brother for seeking the forgiveness of Allah (God, the Almighty ), for me, body and soul. may the Lord of the worlds accept that prayer from you. May God then forgive you, make your feet firm on a straight path. the path that has no crookedness.

may God the Almighty have mercy on all of us.