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@Texazzpete: You asked why is Islam associated with violence; I think all the explanations to the contrary are more than sufficient. Most muslims on this site had spent enough time on the Issue. If you want to rehatch this topic, go ahead.

Evidently, you are not satisfied with what you have. The issue really is this, you have members of your own family who are muslim, ask them this same question. People are people. All over the world you have groups disagreeing for many reasons. Remember the Yugoslavia wholesale killing of the Muslim minority in the 90s, no one has charged the christians about it.

When you shake your head, do it gently, I do not want you to break your neck.

4get_me: Have you heard this statement: Awa la le ko o. Another; Awa la wanbe. The speaker is speaking about himself, alone. The British royal family members and all royal person around the world use prural term for when each is talking about him/herself.

How then do you expect that God will be less in Qualifying and showing His majestic Identity. Read Qur'an, for the first time. Your eyes will open.

@Davidlan: You must be sincere. You have never heard me talk about any violence. Have you. Killing and all kinds of ills are not by style and I did not see it in Islam.

Where ever I find injustice, I try to do something about it. This may mean going against myself, my family or other Muslims. I fear no one. My hope is only in God. I struggle with my own soul and heart every day of my life. I try to restrict myself from all evil However, this does not mean that I am a good man. I am struggling to improve myself.

About blood letting, you must read about the fars that the Muslims fought under Muhammad (AS). Then you will know that you are completely, wrong and I hope you will educate yourself out of Ignorance. I see muslims doing things that that are unislamic every day. I also see none muslims doing things that are righteous every day. Yet, this is human nature.

About the earth and other scientific observations in Qur'an, I bet that you never read the Qur'an. If you did, you would have known that all the essential indications and findings are there, in the Qur'an for you to see. You have no foot to stand on.

Again, I will not worship Jesus,Jibril, Muhammad (AS), etc. I will only worship the God that they worship.

@4get_me: I intend not to waste my time who do not reflect on matters which are very important to life and death. In the past, I have stated that the Qur'an has confirmed that there is corruptions in the Bible as a whole. This corruptions started some times after the prophet that received the portion in revelation left the stage. So for Old testament, there was some form of corruption before Jesus came to the stage. In the case of the whole Bible, the corruptions had become the norm by the time Muhammad (AS), entered the stage of Mankind.

You will find in the Qur'an argument indicating this corruptions. This is not to say that the whole of the Bible is false. In the Bible you will see where is declared as One. Not two, three, etc.

As to the fights in Qur'an, you will find that the first fight and every fight that the Muslims were involved in, none did they initiate. You are allowed to defend yourself. It is a honorable thing to do. It is natural. When you push a person against the wall, even the meekest of individual will defend his/her honor. People fight back.

Why don't you read and reflect before you respond to me. I thought my entry went directly to your einquiry.

Maybe, I disagree with you. Hence, it was natural for you to think that I have no brain. My idea is to aggitate your thought. The Bible is a very romantic reading. I give that to it.

@4get_me: Thanks brother. I no want it. This is my best. I am trying to say that created is not my Creator. I worship only the Creator. Nothing else.

@Xkape: I think you should be able to say a thought provoking statement. However your language must be decent and fairness of manner must be applied. I will not fault a man/woman who is not subjective from the onset of a dialogue. Unlike other religions, there is no ambiguity in Islam. God Himself have provided all guidelines. He has allowed His Messenger a full explanation, sufficient to guide and shape every individual, from birth to grave.

@ Davidlan: All kneeling down, bowing and prostration belong to God. I do not do it for anyone and do not permit any one to do it for me. In truth, I reserve all my standing up as a sign of respect, until the day of Judgement. The day where there is no place to hide, everything laid out bear.

4get_me: You do not have a Fatawa coming from me. Afterall, I am learning, as we go along. My mind is very clear. I do not insinuate anything, I try to make my action very plain. Being married to more than one woman is not a sin in Islam. Infact God through Islam shows His mercy as to condition of marriage. It is very clear. There is none of the artificial, human restrictions which creat hardship on man and woma. One wife and many a girlfriend is not allowed. There is clear guidelines.

Fortunately, Islam marries faith and reason together. This is the crock of the Pope's misadventures. Christianity is telling God that there is reasoning that must be applied as a litmus test to God's law if it is to be accepted.

So I ask myself; Where is that litmus test of reasoning that gives the fool proof results to Jesus godship, Jesus godsonship, God unfair dealing that He sent Jesus to unfair death, so much so that Jesis have to cry out on the cross. Where is reasoning when one is deducing that God, the Most Merciful have to forgive through blood letting and grusome death of an innocent man in the hands of hudlooms and thugs. Where is reasoning my people. I do not see an shadow of it. This is saying it very mildly.

@4get_me: Thank you. Insha Allah, not that it is only very late for me, it is compounded that I ask Allah the Almighty to let me die only in submission to His Will, in Islam. Therefore it is too, too and very very absolutely very late for me.

I like it like that. I shall never bow to any creation, when the Creator is the Only One that I bow to.

@Maligbe: This is simply that he should work hard to improve the ecomomy and military advancement of Nigeria. The pakistanis, do this with tremendous passion. Every one of them is military ready. Weaponry is in their second nature.

If he runs for political office, i will support him. i can see a strick of stubbornness in him. This is a good quality in politics. At least as of today. Remember, the christians separate politics from Religion. Muslims do not.

@havila: When I say middle age, thats what I am. Thank God, I am young looking and have the strength to match. This is due to the Wudu water for my salah. As you know, people die young. Some babies are delivered dead. Yet others live for just a short time. Others also live a full life. People live to be 100 years and above. But all must die.About lack of comprehension, I am very grateful to allah who has given me enough knowledge to know exactly what will benefit me. Yet, i went to a very good engineering school in America.
Further i hold my own in business, internationally. I am grateful, always to God. The point i have made to you which you did not realise is this; No matter how you color it, a terrible presentation is a terrible presentation. It just does not work. You are the same chap that started a thread that Qur'an should not be read. You are talking to over a quarter of the world's population. From these people, you have scientist, academicians of different fiels. You have people whose bloodline have been in this religion for many generations and yes, you have the western people, Blacks and white and the new immigrants. It is not unintelligent to make such a proposal. Yet, there are young Ibo lawyers who have just accepted islam. My mother at her old age just accepted Islam. i was her as i was growing up, eating pork. Yet she was the same woman i suckled from, her womb i started my existence.

there is nothing new about your grandmother from your father side going out of islam at 90 and dead the following year. God knew her heart. Are your parents also christians? Nothing new about that, if it is so.

Muhammad's beloved Uncle, who did not fail to protect him as long as he lived, died as a non Muslim. Yet that Uncle's son, Ali Abitalib accepted islam from the first moment of the first five verses of Qur'an were revealed. Inshort, he said to his cousin, Muhammad (AS) who asked him to take permission from his father before accepting Islam, the young man replied that his life is different and separate from his father.

I am just a muslim without any label. I wear suit when I feel like it. I also wear others, including the nigerian clothings which i am now acquiring. As to the fact that we pray to the sun, I now realised that you may have been refering to this by your asking me about direction of prayer.

Unfortunately, you have so little knowledge about islam. Yet, in London you have so many Muslims and a means of acquiring an English translation of what the Qur'an verses may mean. Then I ask you where do the people who are in the vicinity of the Ka'aba face when they pray? That will be your answer. You can googgle it you know.

So now, some of the christians hypothesised that the Muslims worship the moon on moon god, yet you may have started a trend that the muslim worship the sun or sun god. Can you imagine if your idea is unchallenged and it is allowed to run free for many years, decades and centuaries. What will the enemies of islam say at that time. Some wll day, they worship the moon, yet some will say it is the sun.

In truth all will be lying. For sure, all worship belong to Allah the Almighty alone.

Havila, why all the cursing? This is very unbecoming. You should stop it. Afterall, you are supposed to take a slap on one cheek and meekly turn the other for good measure. But here, no one has slapped you, but you started the beating down. See what is going on. If you continuw to insult a woman, then where is your manhood. Yet your christian brother is eager for fornication, which is against Islam. I hope it is against yours as well.

Take care.

@Havila: So you got scared. Yet you want us to believe that you are true believer in christianity. You are scared of death. Oh, it will come, whether you want it or not. Give yourself another 100 years, you will die off. If at that time you are not dead, you will ask for death to come for you.

I simply stated that verse in the Qur'an to show how clear is Islam. Yet, you professed your believe in the death of Jesus, but are not wishing to back it up. Afterall, you you said you are a believer and his blood had washed away your sins. Aren't you ready for paradise. Oh, you are not sure now. You cower like a person who has no faith. See, only empty barrel will make the loudest noise. I only asked that we all pray to God and ask for His decision in a wrath to come upon the liars.

Thats too much for you. Brother Havila, 30 something years ago, i thought i was the king of the hill. Today, I know that i am a mere mortal. In those days i feared nothing. Today, with the slightest sign of middle age, I definately know that i have to seek God in the truest path to victory, not pardition. I ask you to do the same. Afterall, you are not an infant. You have acquired some sins, impurities on your record. What will you say to your Lord on the day where there is no more bargaining. Jesus died for my sin? What will happen when you hear jesus denying your claim of him, what then? Think about it, men.

@The christians; You conveniently forgot that Jesus, at least his mother's lineage is from the children of Israel. He preached to this group without going outside its bounds. He asked his followers to do the same.

Through all of this, you forgot that Ismail was before Isiaq, the grandfather of the children of israel. Further, the Arabs, who are the children of Ismail, by the fact that ismail was before Isiaq are older in the lineage of Ibrahiim, their fathe. Ibrahiim was from Iraq. All of these, you all have amnisia about. Good.

The Africans are giving us, the name of God as if they have a signed contract with the Almighty. They say the Muslims are idol worshippers. Yet you have never seen in any Masjid any picture, a graven Image and/or a representation. It is forbidden in Islam to make, sell or by any object that has a soul. Yet the christians stooped so low to have a diaper on the botton of an innocent child,who the nicknamed Millenium Jesus in 1999/2000.

I pity your ignorance as i pity mine. At least, i am working on mine. But you are so dead to your complete lost of sense of sensibility, that you are telling us about Allah not being God!.

At least, Muslims respect Moses, Jesus (AS) and all other true prophets of God. If Moses is the leader of paradise, the muslims will enter Paradise because we believe in his prophethood. Will the chrsitans enter paradise if this is the case.

If Jesus (AS) is the leader of paradise,we muslims will enter paradise with him because we believe in his prophethood. Afterall, he called himself a Prophet. Will the Jews enter paradise with him.

If Muhammad (AS) is the leadre of paradise, we Muslims will enter paradise with him. We believe him to be a prophet of God. Will the jews and christians enter with him. The Muslims have all options to enter paradise, while christians and jews have limited options, at best.

Some christians and jews will say that Allah is referring to moon god. No. Allah is the God of every creation. The moon is a creation of God. Muhammad splitted the moon as a signof his prophethood. This was by the permission of Allah. Maybe, you people, the journey come lately to the scene of Mankind should take a good account of your stocks. Even the ones who said that they are Yorubas do not even know that their bloodline is from this same Arabs in Makka.

What islam took away from the arab, the idol worshipping is still within the Yorubas. You will find out who is telling the truth in the day of Judgement. unfortunately, for the liars, it will be too late.

@4get_me: Did you know that every Muslim at the United nations, yesterday, started his speech by praising God, the Almighty Allah!. No christian ever did the same. God, to the non Muslims has His place. He does not belong in the political arena. Unlike the Muslims, God is the Holder of everything. His Honor abounds over all things. So when the Muslims begins an event, praising of God is necessary. The affairs of the Bedroom is never began without seeking the protection of God, from the evil one.

Your mentioning that jesus said that he should be followed is true. The people who were to follow him were the people of his generation, before Muhammad (AS) came on the scene. From the time of Muhammad, until the end of the world, everyone must follow Muhammad. There is no exception to this commandment of God. Who ever then cling to any old prophet or other form of leadership, that person has done it to his/her own personal Peril.

Every prophet was the commander of his time. Jesus time has came and gone. He was a true slave of his Lord. The One God Who created him, without a conjugal relationship between a man and his mother (AS).

There was atime in existence that jesus never was. Infact Jesus soul was taken out of the back of Adam (AS), at the same time the souls of every man, inclusing the not yet born was taken.
Yes Jesus was a word coming forth from his Lord. Jesus was a command of God. Your word is your command. Every creation is a word/command of God. The command/word clicks our being to begin. The big bang theory concept of the evolutionist is nothing but the command of God, 'BE'.

In this command of 'BE', the thing that is commanded to be created begins to take form, until its full completion. The voice of God is audible, to those intended receiver who are being instructed. Moses heard God voice. So were other prophets. The Angels hears Him. But no one has seen Him!. He is above all His creations. Jesus (AS), was seen by his followers and people of his time. Jesus (AS) ate and carried on activities and functions of mere mortals. Jesus was a sign of the might of God. Just in the same way you and me and all God's creations are.

The earth floats in suspension, without any visible fulcrum. The heavens are layered on top of each other, as if one envelopes the other nearer to the earth. Yet you will not find any pillar! God and Jesus are not the same. God is so unique that He declares His uniqueness in the 112 Chapter of the Qur'an. You have never seen anything compared to Him. If you believe that God is Jesus, you have transgressed all bounds. You should return back to your senses. Ask God for forgiveness. Follow the path of salvation in religion. The path that is direct to God's Mercy. For God is the Owner of true Mercy. No one else.

@Davidlan: Don't give yourself hypertension! You will talk ill of Muslims, where ever you can find them. Yet you come from Nigeria. You should pray that your country is at least economically and militarily strong as Pakistan. Maybe, you should prepare yourself for Nigerian politics. I will vote for you. maybe you will be a good leader. Only God knows. For sure you will not do too badly, with this kind of intensity that you have.

If your intention is to advise your christian brothers and sisters not to read the Qur'an, you are entitled to it. However, if you are athinking man, you will come to the conclusion, barring your hatred for your Northern Nigeria country citizens, that you are an insignificant person. You mean nothing to the Muslims and For sure your effort comes to ZERO, regarding Islam.

As to the ignorant claims that Al Qur'an Kariim is somewhat a copy of the Bible, give or take a little, a careful observation will point a person who has eyes to see, truly, ears to hear, truly and heart to reflect. If a person has any good soul, you will open the Qur'an and start with the first chapter. This chapter has many mnames. for our purpose, it will simply be called the opening chapter. When you read the seven verses of it, there is nothing similar to it in the Bible!

When you go to the second chapter, Suratul baqarah, you will find that the second verse declares that this is a book in it there is no doubt. I left the first verse because the meaning is known by Allah tabaraka wa ta'allah alone.

In every chapter of it except chapter 9, the praise of Allah is said before the recital. Where you have similar stories as you may have in the Bible, both in Old and New testaments, the story in the Qur'an is far different. It is different in details and eloquence. If you observe the story of Joseph in the Bible and the Qur'an, you will see extreme differnce. The story of Moses in the Qur'an is very comprehensive to it included the story of his contact witha teacher that God used to teach Moses about patience. This story you find in Suratul Kahf (The Cave).

There is a Chapter called Thunder. The story of Jesus in Al Imran, Al Maidah, Marian and others like Ambiya is very complete. Very clearly is the description of the life of Jesus (AS). God mentioned Jesus miracles, some were not mentioned in the Bible. God destroyed and emphatically states that Jesus was not god, part of God, not son of God and Jesus (AS) did not died or crucified.

Furtherobservation, you will see in Suratul ArRahman, where the Lord of the world described His power. You also see that in Suratul Hadid, which is the next chapter. You also have Suratul Waqiah. You have suratul Mulk which was about praising God Almighty.

My christian brothers and sisters, if it makes you feel good to emptily speak evil about Allah, His prescribed religion to mankind and His noblest of messenger (AS), who was sent to the world, then lets wait for the decision of Allah in the day of Judgement.

Those of you who shouts your filth about Islam, Allah said about you that your talk is tike the braying of the Donkey.

What is so interesting is that in all the over 14 centuaries of islam, Muslim have not fall into the same mistakes as the past generations, the Qur'an have remained unchanged. Its it clear that as much as the enemies of Islam have tried to infilterate this religion, with alltheir wealtha nd other resources as in Military and shear head counts, they have failed in injecting their venom into the religion. Of course, this was not by the smartness of the muslims, but it is God Himself Who is protecting it.

I was going to ask you to gather yourselves, your women and your children and your households to harnestly pray to God and then call the wrath of God on you if you arelying. We will do the same. But I stop because Muhammad (AS) showed mercy on the people of Taif, when he could have commanded they the city be destroyed. So he did the same with makka. Today, these two cities in arabia, there is no one who is not a muslim.

In my next entry, I shall list some verses of Qur'an. If you care to read them,you have to open the Qur'an yourself and do some research.

@Dayokanu; The Financial times of London, wrote an OpEd on the Pope's statement today. You should google it and read it.
Many apeople spoke out on the CSpan Cable channel about it as well. Whereever you are in the world, you can read and listen to the view points.

First, the whole world belongs to Allah the Almighty. There are two cities in the world taht are strictly forbidding to non Muslims; Makka and madina. This is from Allah and His Messenger. I cannot change it. All other places, all are free to live in peace and tranquility.

All the Muslim politicians, in the so called Muslim societies are supported by the christian west, in their oppression of their citizens. In Pakistan, there are non Muslims in the country. So is Saudi Arabia.

After 911, there were many Muslims killed and illtreadted in the USA and the west as a whole. In fairness, the government of America did its best to protect the muslim communities. Of course, America will claim that it is not a christian country. The born again will loudly differ.

During the Iranian hostages, I was peltered with stone, even in college dormatory. the people did not know the difference between the African students and the Iranians. Even the Jews from Iran suffered the same stonings.

The west selects which society that it will call a fried or foe. Spreading democracy should be accross the board. While you are in Kwaiti, Egypt and others, spread it. But let it be fair and balance. Not rejecting it if you do not like the elected in one society and forcing it in your style in another while turning a blind eye, yet in other.

So that you know, when you read Suratul Ashura (Consultation) in the Qur'an, you will see that God spoke about freedom of people to be heard. Muhammad (AS), organized the first constitution over 1400 years ago, in Madina. Freedom is not new to Islam. Definately not new to mankind. It is a right. But freedom that has no rule, whereby it infringes on others in the larger society is evil.

@4get_me; Brother, forgive me about the woman thing. Sometimes, I will have so many things doing in one go.
The issue about scholarship is very simple. Some people are what you call, too know. Yet, they have little faith at best.

Having a son does not fit the majesty of God. Read Suratul Mariam in the Qur'an.
When God states that muslims should believe the Tourah, Sabur and Injil, books revealed before Qur'an, it simply means this; Each book was pure in revelation as long as the prophet who received the book was alive. That prophet was a living example of that book. He was using it to lead the community in his charge. However, when the prophet dies of, as in the case of Moses and David (AS) or raised up as in the case of Jesus (AS), after some time, as the true companions and true followers dies off, you will have a new generations.

These new generations may be zealots, religious superclass and/or influential nobilities who are more political that religious. These people may want to take a ruling class approach and/or political and financial advantages of the ordinary people. Therefore, they enter into a strategy, wherby they modify the pure book to fit the new agenda. Inorder word, poluting this book from its original pure form.

Please do not forget that the religious books of the Jew and the christians were in the hands of the religious upper class for a long time. Ordinary people used to go to this aristocrats of their religions to ask about religious matters.

Unlike the Qur'an. The Qur'an was from its first revelation, of a mere 5 verses, was memorized, written down and used in religious and communual matters. Everyone was encouraged to learn the Qur'an. Anyone could correct even the most learned when mistake is made.

God stated in many parts of the Qur'an that every man shall taste death. that is a sign of our mortality. In Suratul Al Rahman, God states the face of everything shall perish, except His Own face. So in the case of Jesus (AS), when he comes to the earth, in his return, he will live out the rest of his life. Then when every moment of it has been utilized, he will die like every prophet (AS), indeed like every human being. He will then be recreated like you and me, for the Day of judgement.

As to the peace on him, the day of his birth, the day of his death and the day he will be raised up, that was a sign that even the Bible did not record for him. remember this was a statement which he made in defence of his mother, while he was a babe, helpless, supposed to be too young to speak. This was definately a sign of prophethood.

We must agree that if you look at the account of him sayimg that peace is upon him in the day of his death, one would see that it is not the death that was recorded by the christian book. In the christian Book, the death is very violent. There was no peace in it.

My story about Moses was directly from the Qur'an. Read Chapter 20. You will be amazed.
The love of Muslims to God is very genuine. The Muslims begins every affair by mentioning God's name. We praise God in every occasion. When a muslim is afraid of God, that muslim runs to Him. Seeking refuge in Him against the evils of his own soul, from other creations and asking for full protection from God.

@All Muslims/Muslimas; Leave Davidlan alone. You can tell him the same thing, in many ways, but his heart is unresponsive. He can not understand it.

To him, someone was killed for his sins. Therefore, he is free of sins.

@4get_me; My dearest sister, it is true that i am not a scholar of the Bible nor of the Qur'an. However, people who hold scholarship on these books or the religions the books came for could be people whose deeds are not are in essence opposite the teachings of the books.

First, all i know is that I just do not see why the God that created all things, without prior examples needs to kill some body innocent to forgive sinners.Afterall, He is God Who is full of Mercy. He did not have to come down to humilate Himself in the hand of His creation. This last sentence is addressing some of the people who say that Jesus is himsel God! I am not sure if you are also in this group.

God Who defeated Pharaoh, at the zenieth of his power, having jurisdiction over 1/3 of the whole world. This defeat came at the hand of a runway, a person who was not eloquent in speech. this man was Moses. Moses did not have anything except his supporting stick. That was enough material for God. Such is the power of the Most powerful, The irresistable.

I have answered as much as I can of the flood of questions that the christians have asked. My Muslim brothers and sisters who have more knowledge and even greater faith/belief than me have done better job. may God reward them. If you accept guidance is for your own good, if you reject it, you are free as well.

Some people will simply hear the call to prayer, their haerts will melt. They will hurry to accept islam. It is as if the thirsty was given a cold drink to quench the thirst.

@Dayokanu: All your statement about the Muslim actions versus the west amount to this simple statement; Anybody can be good in the right condition. Most people can be bad in the extreme situation. I have read the Qur'an, fairly well enough, yet I am still trying to understand it. But I have not seen a place where it says that you are to destroy lives or properties without any justice/provocation. What it means is this, the enemies must be stoppoing you to worship God. You will have the right to defend yourself you can.

I do not want to relist what the nonmuslims have being doing to Islam or the bloodletting it has engaged in from the beginning of man. I guess you did not see on Google search engine videos on 911. These videos are made by Westerners. Mark you, I live in NYC. I saw with my own eyes from my house the second plane crashing into the Tower. This was a very torrifying thing. There were many Muslims deads among the workers and the Medical personnels at the towers.

What you have failed to understand is this, In Oyo state, even amongst the same family, you have Muslims and christians and others. Yet, they respect each other.Muhammad (AS) did not force his family members to accept Islam. Afterall, his favorite uncle died without accepting Islam. Two other uncles also died without accepting Islam. Further, contrary to your believe, there were nonmuslims in Madina, even after the conquer of Makka.

I cannot assume the responsibilities of every muslims, good or bad. Every man bears his/her own responsibility. My Pastor friend never have been forced to any convertion. We have been friends for almost thirty years now.

However, when he comes to visit my home, I may tune the TV to Benny Hines and remark that he should start his ministry and let me the Money bag person. That was a joke with him. You want to remain christian, fine. I will remain Muslim.

However it is funny and rather Ironic that the Western leaders are working so hard to make sure that the Muslims will not Unite under an Umbrella of the Khalifah. Why?

Maybe I should start a thread about this. It will be interesting to hear the responses of the Pundits. I am sure it will quickly spin out of focus to other distractions.

@Davidlan: If you read the last sentence of my entry you will have discovered my unintended mistake.
First the christians and Jews do not celebrate this special event of animal sacrifice.
The point i was making there by was that if the Jews and/christians truly believe that Isiaq (AS) was the sacrificial son, they would be celebrating it.
We all know the hatred that has come from the pens and the mouths of those who claimed Judaism and Christianity about Ismail (AS).
The Muslims have claimed every prophet of God to be their prophet (AS). This claim includes Ismail, who was older than Isiaq (AS) by at least 13 years. Being the older son therefore qualified Ismail to be some time in the life of Ibrahiim (AS) his only son. Since we are considering these two brothers. Unless you can prove to me that Ibrahiim had a son before Ismail, this will be the only plausible reason that Ismail would not have been an only son of Ibrahiim before the birth of his much younger brother Isiaq.

In Islam, this event of sacrifice is remembered, annually. If this is so, you will believe that the Muslim know and care more about this event than the Jews and/or the christians. The Muslims do not reject isiaq as a prophet. Hence it is clear to me that if Isiaq was that noble son, the muslims would have indicated him to be that son of sacrifice. Knowing fully well his position as a prophet of their religion.

A proof of this is that Muslims do fast the fast of Daud (AS). Further proof is the clear observation by fasting in the day of Ashura, which is the tradition of Prophet Musa's(AS) defeat of pharaoh.

You will see from the above, Islam does not pride itself on lying or discriminating towards any prophet in favor of another. The Qur'an came to correct the misgiven about matters of religion, based on the corruptions entered into the books and the practices after the exits of the prophets.

What is so amazing is that all of us in time deviate from the core topics of the threads ion this site. I wish people can stay on the subject matter.

@Mukina2; You must try to have simple dialogue with the christians.Most of them do not know anything about Qur'an. They get their feeds from TV evangelizing and horrible website.

If you struggle to speak kind words to them, just maybe, God will bring His light into their hearts and His mercy on you for your effort. Afterall, you do not gain if you do not venture.

Persevere. This is how islam was spread; patience and steadfastness. Afterall, only a handful of companions journeyed to the far east for Dawa'h. They were patient and steady in their resolves. May God reward them for their efforts. Amiin.

@Dayodoku: Evidently you do not knw anything about Islam and the Europe you live in.

Have you ever heard of a military terminology called false flag? This is when the opposite side where the uniform of their opponent in order to deceive and do havoc which is then assumed that the opponents have done.

The English people, in order to foster hatred amongst the Indian Muslims and Hindu for example, they will go and dress up like a Muslim and at the same time another group is dressed up in Hindu gear. The one who is like a Muslim will seize a cow and slaughter it. The one who is like a Hindu will now cry out to alert the Hindu population that the Muslims have just slaughter their god. mainwhile, the one who is like muslim was given an opportunity to escape so easily that when the Hindu comes out, he only sees just a fading figure that may make believe that truly, the Muslims have committed this abomination.

It was also praciced in africa, pitting one tribe against another. This is a war to divide and conquer, in order to prolong their hold on the society.

My brother, say what you know. If you are not sure, leave it alone. I am not saying that Muslims are not doing that bring shame to the community of Muslims but the shame is not on Islam.

You think the west will allow the muslims to have peace of mind. No. They are even working so hard that the Muslims the world over do not have unity under a Khalifah. Unfortunately, you have cohorts among the muslims supporting this essential ingreadient of Islam. It was this that brought Lawrence of Arabia fame. One Muslim against the other. The culprit in this disunity is The west, being championed in the past by Britain, now America.

@Piddo; Go ask any Muslim, the significance of the Ka'aba as to the direction of prayer. Every one of them will tell you it is the what God commands us to face.

I am not a christian. If i willaccept anything from the Bible, its support will be the Qur'an and/or the Sunnah of muhammad (AS). Others from the Bible that the Qur'an and/or Sunnah do oppose is rejected by me. Where Qur'an and /or Sunnah do not give any opinion, I do not have any as well. However, i will not insult any prophet of God. If I do, I will by linkage be insulting Muhammad (AS). Afterall, they are from the same source in purity. We the followers are the groups that have the differences.

@Davidlan: Tell me how many Hindus, etc are in Nigeria. Oh, you mentioned the thread, tell me one Hindu here on Nairaland. I will then tell you that you will soon see a christian starting up a thread about it. After all, it is now through the Missionaries; convertion is by a basket of food in one hand and the Bible in another.

The pseudo-christian countries on world stage are using force, their military might and the power of their monies to do the same. No sooner that bagdad fell than the Bible thumpers from America began their soldier's for Jesus skids. It is as if Bagdad did not know about christianity before America. The same story played out in Afghanistan.

Convertion is not by force. Whatever the state of your heart will lead you to the mercy of God or His anger. God knows the truth about every human.

I hear some people say that God is Love alone. But God hates association of any thing with Him.

@Pearl2; Before Zionizm and subsequently, the creation of the state of Israel by the England and the support of America and Europe thereby, Muslims in Palestine allowed the Jews to live among them. Infact the jews had properties, like lands and formed communities thereby.

It was very easy for you to forget the Crusades and Inquistions and Pogroms where by the Christians killed Jews and muslims without any regards. You will not remember the two world wars. IThe first one started when a Christian leader wsa assasinated by another brand of christianity. They dragged the whole world into it. Unfortunately, Africa was their slave, so it had no choice in the matter. It was led into it by the power that be, all of them christians. So was India led into it. It was the jewel of the British crown. You simply forgot the enslavement of the Africans by carting them away in chains. A larger portion died enroute to their bondage. Raping and starvation and illtreatment was very normal in this methodology.

I bet the African Americans, the Caribbean blacks and south American black, etc, will be happy that you know so much about christianity, yet you forgot these tidbits in its history. No wonder the Blacks rush into Islam when they know the truth.

The killing in Ruwanda, between the tribes, did you see what the christian Missionaries did when their people came for them from Europe. They left their service men and women, the blacks. Even just before the planes arrived, the same Africans have been the ones who were preparing the luggages of the white "I bring you the good news of Jesus" missionaries.

Now let me tell you about the Muslims. These black christians who have been so ungodly abandoned to be killed began to seek refuge within the small Muslim communities, here and there in the Mosques. The Muslims took every comer in. They formed a security group and through this effort, scores of people were saved from the mechetes. The ones wielding the mechetes were Christians, not muslims. Yet, i am not in no way accepting any encruochment or oppression of any person. Killing is unIslamic. Yet you have many people who professed that they are Muslims that will kill.

You have in islam that drinking is bad and the taking of toxic substance into the body is like killing, even though it will gradual death through sickness and unhealthiness, you have a lot of Muslims doing these. The point i am making here is that there are people who are born into Islam, continue to practice it, yet do not have a quanifiable elementary knowledge of it. Among the Arabs you have people who can not read Qur'an and only speak their dialect, not the Qur'anic Arabic. So if a person does not try to heal his/her own heart, correcting the ills of the heart, how do you expect that same person to care for another psoul.

The suicide bombing as a methodology was developed by the Tiger political group in Asia. Unfortunately, the Arabs adopted it in theuir so called struggle. All the Muslims I know decry  this tactics. You can struggle but not kill yourself and your future, senselessly. this is not Islam, in the true sense of it.

God is powerful to defend Himself, yet people must defend Him when others malign  Him. At least defend Him by your speech. People defend societies, nations, ideas, all are insignificant to God. But people will not even defend God, even with hating the evil deeds that are done against God with their hearts. How do you claim that you believe in God and yet you do not stand up for Justice and truth.

@Davidlan: I realise that you have a one track mind. In your entry, and so as that of others, I have been able to understand what a person was intending to write. Even if there were words omitted and some misspellings.

In my entry about isiaq(AS) was meant to say that you, christians do not observe this remembrance, even though you claimed that Ibrahiim (AS) is your father in faith. Also that Isiaq (AS) was the son he sacrificed, symbolically. Just because not was not in the sentence, you copuld not read it in its proper context. Yet you do know that the Muslims and the Christians hardly have the same religious activities.

So all these years, you have not been able to make out what a person writes, unless he spelled every word, correctly, in its proper place!

@Havila: What you need to do since you are in London and frequently jetset all over the world, ask a knowledgeable, what is it that they are facing when they are in prayer. You will hear, the Ka'aba.

@Davidlan; You are a Joke. Your hatred of Islam and Muslims is so apparent. Are you so concern that the christians may lose a man. If His Lord wills that he will enter paradise, your playing a devil in his life will come to Zero.

You have to know that God is capable of doing all things. His power is Limitless. You see people from Haiti, white americans and blacks and others rushing in to taste the sweetness of islam.

You as an Ibo man, how many girlfriends do you have in Rochester? Further if you are married, barring the artificial restriction that has been put on you, how many women would you like to marry. Assuming you are in an enviroment where there is no law stopping you and the wome are willing, will you stop at one? You are an insincere man. I always like people who are honest. I may not agree with them, but i will respect them.

The rest of your entry, I chalk it up to your ignorance. May God help you out of the abbyss of ignorance. Oh, I forgot, you are in lets feel good religion. Thinking that an innocent person will bear the consequent of your sins. Yet, from youir book, he did not go to the slaughter, willingly. Brother davidlan, Give Me A Break.

@Havila; Whenit got to religion, you lost your head. I thought you will reflect before you write anything. Do you think that God, the Almighty Who called Ibrahiim His personal friend will shame him by raising a wild man through him?

Most people do not think. There is always stupidity when its religion. Truly the heart is is laid out for every to see. Ismail, the son whose father loved so much. The son who was forbearing and patient. The son who was in agreement to be sacrificed. His mother was a high quality woman. She was black. An Egyptian from the royal house of Egypt. The sacrifice of Ibrahiim of his son, is in the annual rites of islamic hajj, even before Muhammad.

Why is it that the Jews and Christians observe it in remembrance, if they believe it was Isiaq (AS) was the son to be sacreficed. The Muslims do observe it, seeing that they respect every prophet of God. You can derive that the muslims will tell the truth, if it was isiaq, who is a prophet in Islam. It is very direct in Qur'an that it is ismail, Isiaq's older brother that was to be sacrificed. You cannot be an only son if you are not the first child.

@Davidlan: havila had asked me question about salah and star and crescent. Thats all. If you read his former entry you would have known better. Yet i will not fault you. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. afterall, its a free world, hence most of you want to bastardize Islam as the other religions have been made as a means of laughter, a jest.

@Havila and Davidylan: Your knowledge of Islam, hence the Salah is limited. What is very interesting about Christians is really their lack of realization that God is limiless in power. The direction of Salah is Ka'aba itself. If you are in Makka, you are bound to face Makka.

If you are any part of Saudi Arabia or the Arabian penisula, you face Makka which is the city that Ka'aba is located. If you draw a straight line from where you are, assuming that you can see Ka'aba, that will be the exact direction you face. Since this is impossible you have a general direction frame of reference. Compass are developed with city and locality references on the Almanac of world locations. You will agree that the direction of ka'aba to every place on the earth is not the same.

If you are to travel and do not know the exact direct which Ka'aba in Makka is located, you can face a location, whereby the sun is just to your left face at the time of prayer. If you are going to pray without the sun as a means of reference, then you can face any direction, afterall, God describes Himself as the Lord of the two easts and two wests. So I could be funny to you. It does not matter, except that you do not know the truth, which makes it funny to you.

If you can carelessly change the true season of the birth of Jesus to just a season or time in the year that pleases you, then one wonder how painstakingly dedicated in the regard to religious facts and timing. Yet the birth of jesus is so crucial to christians. In Islam, you can not arrange the religious matter in just any way that pleases you. there is a set order. God and His Messenger (AS) have made the decisions as to all matters of religion. A true believer will simply say I hear and obey.

Morning prayer for example has its prescibed time. You truly, in normal circumstances do it at your own chosen time. So is Ramadan fast, Hajj and the likes. Allah is God in Arabic language. Even the Christian Arab know this and that it is name for God. They do not call jesus (AS), Allah.

@Piddo; The better thing to do is that you go and get a Qur'an. Read it. Then where ever you need an explanation, God willing, somebody will explain to you.

happy reading.