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2.286 0f Baqarah is a verse that brings calmness and reassurance to the heart of the believer, if one were to consider the firmness of the information in the earlier parts of this chapter. This chapter is full of legislations, instructions, warnings, commandments and examples of punishments meterred to those doers of evils in generations gone by.

286 calms down the heart and reassures the nervous soul, which is clearly yearning for the love and reaaurance from Rubbil Alamin.

David, am not home. But on a journey. Thanks for the Phone calls. I love you for the pleasure of Allah. May The One Who can truly reward, rewards you mightily my brother.

But if you look at the beginning of 2.286, you see the reference to limitation to burden. I think the man who quoted 2.285 actually meant 2.286.

@Bawomolo: « #11 on: Today at 04:48:37 AM »

So you support the Majority encroaching on the minority?

And you are supporting the "minority" to encoach on the Majority? You can't be serious, man. You need to get out of Chi-town if this is your view. America is not big enough for such whooper of an agenda! Tell me which society the minority rules the majority, except by oppressive mandate/means; guns, fear, etc?

I hope your agenda can work in America because I will love to see Islamic law overcome Judeo-Christian ideas of the "founding fathers!"



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Can such perfection be achieved. Sharia has been exploited over and over again. Doesn't that give you a clue that its an oppressive and archaic system.[/quote]No. Your premise is wrong. It is better to say that those who are using it, have their own "different agendas!" Sharia should be practiced on yourself first, before trying to implement it on others. A person who is not willing to live within the guidelines, yet wants others to, is a complete hypocrite. They say do as I as I do is better than do as I say!

@Dayokanu:

Then what I heard was right. "Light beating" for a fellow human? So when the men are wrong who carries out the light beating?

And I forgot about your men being beating "lightly" when they "wrong." As you can see, different strokes for different strokes. Even on Nairaland, you have dominatrix (lol) who likes to chastise her man with pepper. We have also a talker and she knows who she is, since she can talk up a storm. Between these brands of women, i guess if a man is married to either group, and he is a woosey, I will not be surprised if you hear a grown man bawling like a child.

They say some like it hot. However that will not work for almost all muslim man. If my wife gives me the same light beating (yelling) that I give her, am okay with it. As the yorubas will say; Ojo gbogbo ko lodun. Sugbon orirere lo je faya to ba mo ke oko o.

Spinsters in the house (and you know who you are since you should have been married at least a decade or so ago) get married woman and leave a boo who can't commit to his own spit or shadow! Is not always about Benjamin.

@Jairzinho: « #54 on: Yesterday at 07:57:22 PM »

Of course,what kind of room is that?? That permits you to KILL converts

Ogbeni; a convert out of Islam who lies to enter it the first time, without pure intention to remain in it, and even those who are born in it, when they convert out, begin to intentionally, because of deceitfulness lies against Islam deserves death. Let me help you to understand my position; if a christian were to convert out of christianity to judaism or hinduism for the sake of our argument, if he then maligns christianity by saying that all Christians believe that Jesus is not god or that trinity is not part of the christian belief and or Paul is not revered by the christians in a way that he is beloved, then he deserves to die, if he continues to postulate these ideas after he has been warned!

Even me who is not a Christian knows that the Christian belief is not short of these three. Islam should be defended by its adherents. If you can't defend your religion, especially when blatant lies are told about it, it is not my fault. Blame your weak conviction. You can't tell me to take after you, since my religion and my conviction are not the same as yours. And as much as I love women, I will not marry (Am allowed four, you know) a woman who is not a muslim. And I dont care if she is Chucha of Brasil or the pretty woman of Bahia or the international models from Brasil.



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Herein lies the difference btw Christianity and Islam,whereas muslims believe they can 'help' God carry out His will,christians believe God is Omnipotent(all Powerful).[/quote]The same way Messenger/Prophet Musa (AS) helped God, so shall Muslims help when Allah/the God commands. Allah says in the Qur'aan; "It is not befitting for believers to have an opinion when Allah and His Messenger (Prophet Muhammad) (AS) have decided on a matter. A believer says I hear and I obey!" In another place Allah says a believer will say I hear and I obey and i seek forgiveness. yet in another Allay says obey Muhammad (AS) when he calls you to what will give you "Life!" In this case even though you are alive, not following Muhammad makes you a spiritually dead being. Now whats your beef if I obey Allah or "help" as Moses helped? Afterall Jesus was tryng to help since you said that he came to rescue (lol) lost souls!?

I think muslims believe in pre-destination,why then would you think God cannot take a life he CREATED,and requires your assistance? If the convert is destined for destruction already for leaving the true path(Islam),why KILL?

And no life is taking except Allah has ordained it to be so. If an evil person is snurfed out of the community, there is no blame in it, since if he is not terminated, his being alive may be a bigger trial on many and probably the whole community. Look here bro, America thought that Osama bin Laden is evil, they are still chasing him around. They thought Saddam was bad, they killed him. So whats wrong in eliminating a "cancer" from the mist of "good people; the society at large?" I beg ol boy, lets have a good thinking as we argue this matter.

You're also saying if a wife enters a marriage deceitfully ,deserves death??

I forgot that you understand Portuguese only. I never said such a thing. I used the similitude of deceitful person who enter marriage for other than love and hope that they will grow up together and "death will be the terminating reason of the marriage". Hence such a person does not deserve to inherit any part of the wealthy spouse when the marriage ends. Thats what I said, since it was built on deceit! Get it together, man.



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You people take the battle narratives in the Koran ,literally, I don't have these verses,but where one isn't free to convert,thre's a problem. It isthe moral/lesson of these narratives the Holy Prophet intended for you to take.[/quote]I know. We are true to the words and its spiritual intents. Unlike you who have to find every which way till sunday to change what the Bible said you should do. Very good example; Verse 29 or Mark 12 says that Jesus said that he and his companions/listeners/followesr have the same Lord God Who is One God. But you have to find a way to make "trinity" dominate, even though the word does not appear on any part of the "Old or New" Testaments! Now tell me; you want me to abandone what I can read for what i only have to make up in my head?



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Harm??

I honestly don't need your advise on it,I'm only contrasting a Christian's reaction,to a muslims'.[/quote]How has he harmed Christianity? I know you don't need my advise, so quit complaining to me. If a woman were to have a problem with a husband who is marrying another wife, she may seek divorce. I think that she has a legitimate reason, since Fatima Zara, binta Muhammad (AS) has same objection. But that is not enough to leave Islam and then use this to malign it, since a man is not forced to marry more than one wife.

Now if a person left Islam and bad mouth it, with a lot of lies, and the muslim community calls him out on it, and he does not desist, should he be allowed to continue to carry on business as usual? You must not be serious if you think this will be the case.

In my caseI would try to speak with the convert to find out why,so i can show him relevant scriptures and then pray for him,whether his reasons are genuine or not isn't the issue here. His spiritual well being is paramount. I have no authority over his life and neither does anyone else.

Let me ask you, do you think God Almighty Who created all thing is (are; I can't believe I write this) 3; son, father, and ghost? What happened to the father and son when ghost is mounting/sorry overshadowing Mary? What happened to father and ghost when son is in the "fetal stages in the belly of Mary?" What happened to father and ghost when son was helpless baby before he gained strength? What happened to father and ghost when son was still without wisdom? What happened to father and ghost when son was begging, crying, weeping, praying to God to rescue him? What happened to father and ghost as son was betrayed, arrested, whipped, beat up, bleeding, hung on the cross and in the cave; lifeless according to you? Am waiting for answers. Just maybe you can provide any, in good conscience. Okay in logical reasoning! Do the Children of Israel/Jews administer oil on the body of 3 days dead person?



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This is a gross misconception. Christianity believes that we are saved by grace of God and not by our efforts,but one still needs to live according to the Word of God to claim these promises. Just like you have muslims who don't pray,fast during Ramadan,you also have Christians who don't live right.[/quote]I expected that you write Jesus in there. Insteadyou are writing "God!" Which of the God are you talking about; Father, Son or Ghost?

The Holy Prophet Mohammed(pbuh) recognised the Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus is referred to as Messiah(Al Masih)he encouraged muslims to read the gospels(Injeeen),I wonder why you are meant to read it and not believe it?

Show me a verse in the Qur'aan or an ahadith where Allah or His Messenger encourages muslims to read the Gospel? There will not be an answer worth the question from you. To believe in the Injil is not to believe in your Bible. The injil to be believed in you don't have in the christian community.



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Even an atheist could be truthful and courteous in business. Whereas some other muslim may not behave properly ,so leave that out. Political Islam is is where muslims want to impose islam on others by force,trying to mirror the military /political conquests of the Holy Prophet. If indeed Islam is the only path to Heaven,why the FORCE(COMPULSION)?[/quote]No one is forcing you. You are free to be a non-muslim. But you are not free to lie, except that you will be call out on it. I will be very happy when the Muslims can imitate the prophet, not by word of mouth alone, but also by deeds!


@bawomolo (m) Re: « #55 on: Today at 05:02:02 AM »
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May Allah strengthen HAMAS and shame the enemies, sons of pigs!!

Javalove's signature.

and you wonder why you guys are easy targets of the media.

[/quote]It was reported that the Pigs and Apes have "Children!" So there is no actual sons of pigs/apes!



@OLAADEGBU (m) Re: « #56 on: Today at 11:49:43 AM »
[quote]See where the modern day terrorists get their inspiration from while committing their atrocious acts:


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"Fight in the way of Allah." 2:190, 2:244
War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
If you die fighting for Allah, you'll be rewarded in heaven. 3:157
Those who die fighting for Allah will go to heaven. 3:195
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91
God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 4:168-169
Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41
Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. 5:45
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[li]Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72
Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80
Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 6:125
Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167
Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17
Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60
Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111

Ogbeni, you are still peddling this, without letting off? O ga o. I wish I can get you a job to do. At least I am sure you will go at it with one track mind. You are dependable, except you must be giving all the blue prints without allowing you to develop any idea of your own! Bawo ni, anyway?



@argent Re: « #57 on: Today at 02:32:37 PM »

And they come to tell us that Islam is the religion of peace!!!!

And you told me that you turn the other cheek!!! Stop it, man. I dont believe you.



Where is **Osisi? Lol.

@Dayokanu: « #22 on: Today at 03:10:18 AM »

People beat wives does not mean they are given the right to.
People steal Yes. Are they allowed to by any law or religion? NO.

so if thats the case, whats you beef when we said "light" you seem to say that somebody is covering up something? Now tell me is Chris (the Musician) who gave Music Diva "Rihanna" the actual black eyes, muslim? have you seen is Bling Bling Cross? You know muslims don't wear bling. Yes?

Islam gives right to administer "Light beating" YES If the law allows it then what else can we say.

We both live in Yankee. If you my friend, you would have known that I don't raise my hand to a woman. And it is not because that I am a yoruba or black. But for sure because I am a muslim! I asked you to get in touch with a muslim man in your town and learn about the love and respect "Islam" commands a man have for his wife!

Unlike "turn the other cheek," which is impossible in reality, Islam says "beat lightly" and this is demostrated by loving acts of Muhammad (AS) and the gentility of Umar (Sheriff; the gentle giant) Khattab and the knowledgeable believers who have developed the culture of "expressing displeasure" by gesture without ever hitting their spouses, you are still in doubt? I could have let you talked to my women and learn "how genuine" our love intensities are. Love does not have to hurt and thats why "light" is the expression of anger/beat since we are sincerely human.



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If my wife upsets me sooo bad, I would walk out and drive out and not come back for hours till my anger has subsided.[/quote]Unlike you who is allowed to go "hang out at Watering holes," we in Islam do not abandone our spouses. We have to let her know where we are. When a lover does not see each other for many hours and dont know where the one who is out of the house is, for hours, many thoughts will run though the minds. Shaitan may suggest all kinda evilness. Though untrue, and this is why we don't go out of the house and wonder around while keeping the wife in the dark, not knowing what happen to us for hours. Maybe you run to the arm of another woman, girlfriend, but not for muslim men.

If your wife upsets you and you administer "Light beating" Do you know of 911 and "Violence against women act". Aside laws, it even shows bad upbringing beating a woman. My younger sister upset me soo bad several times and the worst thing I did to her was to throw a Live chicken at her. That was when I was 12 years and she was 9. I was scolded badly for that act self.

And since no 911 have been called on me, ever, this shows you that my "light beating" is yelling or gesturing of displeasure. Man, real man wear beard and don't beat his wife/wives! While you have shown anger at 9, my women; mother, sisters, nieces, cousins and yes my wives do not have my hands on them.



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You are not mad enough to hit Arnold Schwazeneger but roused enough to hit a defenceless spouse. What do you call that? You can control your anger against men but not against your wife? Because the cards are in your favour with your wife you can beat her up.[/quote]Read my post, above, again. There is no place that I said that I hit a woman. I remember when my second child, Oladunwo was about 2+. I used to take him to my office. So you can see that there was a great bond between he and I. I remember one time that I had to show that I was displeased with him, by just raising my hand. He started crying and felt ashamed. Have you experienced letting somebody feel sad without ever hitting him/her? This is what happens when lover "beat lightly", without striking his spouse. But there are some women now who think that they can beat men and they don't do the beating of their "man; boooo" lightly. They leave scars on him.

We in Islam don't do that. Seriously. A muslim who follows the Sharia and Sunnah will never do any hitting of his wife!



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Lightly as in How many blows or how many strokes of cane or is it belt or cutlass, electric cables or Gas chamber[/quote]Lol. Dayo, you are funny. Iyawo e keron. Anu omo no shemi. Temi she Olorun. No wife of mine is ever going to be beaten. I leave the kinky stuff to you, Mr. Christian man! If you welch her, you have to deal with broken skin and damaged goods, later.



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Alagba Olabowale e ye ma pe aja ni obo fun wa, Ohun ti ko da ko ni oruko meji Koda ni.[/quote]I am sure you know that the Yorubas even say ti nba laya tio loyaya akeru e jade. When you can show me a muslim who beat his wife, I will list many christians who give wife black eyes. Heck "black eyes" is Oyinbo invention.

Do I have to be in Belgium to know its Illegal to kill in Belgium? Some things are universal laws. So I have to be married to know its criminal to beat a woman.
You finish beating her and later in the the evening hump her? Na wa o.

Sex is not meant for evenings, alone. Its good anytime.
Listen man, when Islam says we dont beat women, in the same manner that we don't consume alcohol, then believe it. If you don't I can't believe your impossible "turn the other cheek", too. Of course, you know if Arrnoold hit you hard, you will be foolish to turn the other cheek. Thats the height of foolishness and if a person dies for being beat down because of it, then tough.

Ogbeni; bawo mi? She south ndun? take care.

@Dayokanu: « #18 on: Today at 08:28:42 PM »

Then what I heard was right. "Light beating" for a fellow human? So when the men are wrong who carries out the light beating?

Dayokanu, you must be a regular comedian. You live in the US, right? All the wife beatings here in Obodo Amerika is by Muslim husbands? You want to play dumb? I know how to wake you up! I live here, too. I am in the islamic communities. Almost all my friends are muslims.

None of them have ever beat his wife or wives. Nigerians, Africans, non-africans and whites husbands included. Lie to the Nigerians in Mother Afrika. Not Olabowale. I know what time it is, man. You are fronting as if Christian men in Amerika or 9ja don't put out the lights of their wives. I have been around the blocks, man.

Light beating might include a black eye or even decapitation. Light beating on someone of a weaker sex who is weaker physically?

Dayokanu, se you get wife? Nooooo! If you do, you will know that light means light. A culture of anger that is subsided without the hitting or hurting is "light". In the case of my bride(s) the worst I have done is to yell; "stop it!" Then I am guilty, but happy that that is my light beating! What do you do when your wife (which don't have anyway; am just playing with you) upset you and said you aint no good? They say "hell has no fury like the woman scorned!" You heard before man? Luke here, luke here man, ask the muslim black man in your town; they will tell you that they have waxed "well and couth" for it by Islam!

Olabowale If Arnold Schwazeneger or "TRIPLE H" rouses you up too I am sure you can use the "Light beating" too.

Those are men, man. My yoruba culture tamed me enough to know that I should not play russian roullette with a full chamber because the card is stacked against me. Now, Islam even give me a better guideline to be gentle with them, in their ignorance. You remember the yoruba adage; Ti owo omo o ba kaa eku ida, ko gbodo bere iku to pa baba e!" However, since I depend on Allah for my Victory, if I am "aroused or wind up to get upset with them, since they are no spouse of mine," I can say "asbiya lahu wani amal wakil. Wa laula wa lakuwata ilabilla aliu li azheem, Allahu Akbar!" My brother if they are evil doer and have done me wrong; if i strike them, it will be Allah who strikes!

But let leave that alone, because your faith can't "touch this!"

Anyone who attacks anyone weaker than himself is a coward and weakling. And deserves to be jailed.

lol. You are a piece of work. I wonder if you knew that, when islam says "lightly", and we the Muslims tell you that it does not not mean "hurt, pain or black eye or Spiked heel (lol) on her neck, you didn't believe! Aburo, which one you dey!

If you must adminster light beating let it be on someone of your size and strenght not on women who are weak and frail and are much younger in most cases.

Enu okuro ki seje o! Iwo to ma fee gbemi obinrin no. Oh boy let me hear word! It is only Islam that gives directive not to "damage, hurt or unjust" to woman. Where is it in the Christian or jewish Bible? A bachelor can't educate anyone about marriage.

Obinrin ti o loko o mo adun okunrin. How can "solo" people know what "combination of items is?" Emi nsoro Oko ati iyawo fun e, O nja mi nyon!

@Jairzinho: « #52 on: Today at 02:29:00 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 09:20:49 PM
@Jairzinho: I never said anyone who "converted" out of Islam deserves to die. If a person left Islam for a genuine reason, other than wilful deceit that others might leave it, which was his intention of entering it in the first place, there is no verse that says he should be killed. Otherwise the verse that speaks to leaving Islam and return to it, many times will have no place in the Qur'aan, and definitely no usefulness.

For example, one of my brothers converted out. And he just came back into it just few years ago. Many people are muslims, born or revert, yet don't understand a thing about Islam. Do you kill a person like that who convert out? is there not a chance for him to revert back in? What about the verse that says there is no compulsion in religion? You can be a believer, a non-believer or irreligious. Islam give room for all kind of beliefs.


I attach your previous quote on this: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-185191.0.html#msg2964296

My argument them is the same as now, above. Is there a discrepancy between the two?

who determines if one converted 'for genuine reasons'??

You will hear it from the speech.

You or the convert. If I decide I want to leave christianity and become a moslem,why do I have to give a good reason to christians

No one leaves a better thing for a worse situation. So when a person leaves a religion, he or she should be able to give a genuine reason for the action. AQllah who knows whats in the heart, gave instructions to kill a "jew" who left Islam because his entering it in the first place, was of deceit to influence many to leaving it, along with him as he will leave it, later. It is the same Allah who allows many at least a friend of Umar bin Khattab to leave it in Madina, while he returned to his people in Makka. And later when the verse of "Don't disper in the Mercy of your Lord" was revealed, the man returned back to madina, becoming Muslim. It is the same Allah who allows wholesale forgiveness for the Makkans upon Victory over them. I have provided the verses in the Qur'aan which allows freedom in religion and also the reentering of Islam. Do your own research.

A person who deceitfully enter Islam thinking his coming out of it should have an adverse impact on it deserves to die, just like a man or woman who deceitful enter into a marriage deserves to get Zero out of it, when the marriage is over!

Many years ago there was this guy that led one of the biggest fellowships in UI -IVCU (Ibadan Varsity Christian Union),he later converted to Islam,and he always came back to UI almost every year to preach to people on why they should embrace Islam & not Christianity.
Tel em does he deserve to die according to your definition?

What reasons that led him out of Christianity? You should ask him that and act according to your Christian judgement> I am not a christian and so you are asking the wrong fella about this matter.

Yes,Christians felt (and i assume he's still doing this,still feel) really angry when they hear him preach Islam,even the posters and flyers of his event annoncing Imam so, so former head of IVCU was really provocative,but what can one do? He has made his choice,we can only pray for him that he sees the light.

You continue to talk about your "unhappiness and provocated emotion against him." Yet, you have not provided a single lie that he made against Christianity. The former Muslims who lied against Islam, should be asked to recount their statement, or give overwhelming evidence from Qur'aan and Sunnah/ahadith about their statement. If they can't and continue to spew the lies, I am certain that they deserve death! They may never be killed, but they can be written off as dead in the minds of believers. If a person leaves Islam for reasons that are matter of factly in Islam, say multiple marriage for example, they should not be harmed.

But when a fellow says things that are unsubstantiated, for example, there should not be any doubt, if they do not refrain that they do not deserve death. Allah says that those evil doers should not be allowed to spread their evil all over the society. If a people are not morally checked by another people, those who have immorality will spread and dominate the community. And before you know it, the immoral acts; lies, slander, backbiting, adultery, fornication and all evil actions will become the norm.

Now imagine ,on that same campus,the head of MSS(Muslim Students Sociey) converts to Christianity and decides to hold crusades on this,what do you think would happen ,by your own definition? . . . . . . . . . . . . your guess is as good as mine.

My guess is not the same as yours. My older brother was a senior research fellow at NISER some 30 plus years ago. He left Islam for many years, before he returned to it. I do have family members who left Islam and told me to my face that they do not like Islam. They are trying to convert their mother, an 86+ year old woman to leave Islam. My answer to them is tell me what Christianity has that Islam does not better? Or tell me what islam has than christianity is equal in goodliness? I am still waiting for answers. The problem is that Christianity is a lazy and I already put by sins on Jesus religion!People who do not want to shoulder their own responsibility for their salvation look away from Islam, because it is unpopular.

So lets learn not to get unnecessarily emotional about our faiths,everyone should apply the spiritual aspects of his faith and leave majority of the socio-political out. All faiths believe they are the right path to heaven,isn't it?

Socio-political of Islam has helped mevery much. I am not trying to blow my own horn, now. Less than a month ago, my business partner was telling me that before she entered into partnership with me, she had a different opinion about how Islam treat women. She was surprised since all my words to her are words of encouragement and kindness; head and shoulders in gentlemanliness over white men from Australia, and many parts of the USA and even the "cultured England and rough Irish!" It is Islam that restricts me. It is not my yorubaness. I am sure even on Nairaland, I could pick fights with many, if it is not my Islam that has guided me so.

@Spoilt: « #14 on: Today at 03:40:56 AM »

beat lightly? Hehehe ehe ehe .

Hey sis, are you married? If you are not, then the emotion between spouses can't be understand by you. The Boyfriend girlfriend issue, I will use here so that you may understand, just a smigget of what "Love" is and why beat her "lightly" may be a foreign thing to you.

It is a known fact that the caring intensity of "fornication or adultery", boyfriend girlfriend can not be equated to that of which is between husband and wife. If it can, then I wonder why there is a reason for "churching it" or "city halling it", etc in the West, where you live? Everyone knows at the end of the day, girlfriend or boyfriend has no recourse for anything belonging to the "fake partner", since the society does not recognise the relationship.

With the above in mind, regardless of how the 'fake lovebirds' say they love each other, when they get angry with each other, "watch out!" The gloves come out and its all bare knuckles. Often atimes, one of the duelling party is damaged. It is not always the women, since some of the women can be mean and very head strong bent on revenge in anger. When you see a boyfriend furiously 'put the light out' on his "cheating" or "ungrateful, mean, deceitful" girlfriend you will know what am talking about. You live in LA and all the homs/hombre are right around you. You can see them in the hoods or on the Boulevard.


Now, wives are supposed to be spoilt (I found a way to incorporate your ID into the argument). I spoit mine. And as I see it, I have been annoyed more than once in my marital life. If I have no emotional ties of marriage, I am sure I would have let off my anger, if only in speech. So because of marriage, I bite my tongue even as I am annoyed. And definitely I do know that it is not "shariah since Sunnah explains what it is" to hit a spouse. I will come back to this. But I must use some Bambara tribe in Mali's saying about women;

They say; women are mysterious (Muso kawako). They also say that a woman say things that she should be killed for everyday. Yet you have to smile. Now back to the explanation of beating lightly. It is Muhammad (AS) who understands and have the explanations of the verses of the Qur'aan. So our attention must turn to him, to see how he dealt with his spouses. It is his examples that his companions (RA) followed and we who say we believe must follow.

I will therefore use Umar bin Khattab (ra), the first Amir of the believers and the second Kulafah of Muhammad, as my example of "good behavior or how to deal with disobedient wife." During his leadership, a man was having problems with his own wife, so he came to the leader, Umar to report her. He heard Umar's wife voice as he knocked. While he was waiting for the door to open, he heard her saying that the husband is no good. So this believer was quickly walking away from the door, because he did not want to be "the one" that heard the leader being abused by his wfe. But it was too late, because Umar opened the door and asked if there was anything he could do for the man?

The man explained his delimma with his own wife. But stated that when he heard what Umar wife was saying about him, he knew that he had no complaint at all. The Amir Umar Khattab had to tell him that the good quality that the wife has is more than the temporary bad quality she is exhibiting at the time of anger. This is the best way to deal with a wife.

MUhammad (AS) said to the men; Oh believer your wife is made from the "bent part", be gentle with her as you may break what is bent. (Lady, you do agree with the story of creation? Right?). Muhammad (AS) should be the example that should be used in dealing with wives. Afterall, even the Qur'aan says beat her lightly, which you have a big laugh about by your hehe and show me your 32 oh, in the statement of Lagbaja's Feyin ee's song. I do need to remind you that his sunnah is also a revelation. If you look at the way punishment is meterred for adultery: Zina in the Qur'aan, it says flog, and it is in the Ahadeth/Sunnah that you find out that the married people are stoned to death, while the unmarried are flogged 100 lashes! It is also in the Sunnah/ahadith that you have the instructions of washing hands, rinsing of mouth, cleaning of nostrils, and of course washing of bare feet, instead of "wiping it" when making Wudu which you will call ablution.

You will also find in the Qur'aan that when Job got well, he fulfilled his promise by touching his wife with a bunched up 100 stalks or blades of grass, since he had said that he will whip her 100 lashes, because of her annoying continuous request while he was sick. The Allah who made Job fulfill his promise by the touch is the same Allah who used the word lightly later to qualify "beat her!"

Spoilt; how do you define lightly? When it comes to beating a person, lightly gives the meaning of no pain, at least bodily pain. For a man who enjoys his wife to decide to beat her, he must not be doing it out of act of endearment. Remember we are not talking about those people who like it rough, in the choking, strangulation, the black and blue beat me until I pass out bits.

If a man is annoyed and then decides to beat his wife, what has been demostrated in all the Islamic speeches that I have attended where "beat her lightly" is explained amounts to restraint where in the worst case scenarios; a small edge of the cloth is used symbolically to "touch" or even the miswak (chewing stick) in the same manner. I do know for a fact that a woman who has "shame" will feel remorse that a loving husband shows his anger of displeasure on her this way. It will remind her that if it was acceptable for him to beat her, it probably would have been "goodnight Irene!"

For me, and all who fear Allah and following the Prophet (AS), we know that wife beating is not "Islamic." Allah says when a man divorces a woman, he should even restrict himself from doing any evil to her. The Prophet (AS) states that the divorced woman is supposed to be a future wife of another brother (Muslim is brother of one another), hence no one should speak ill of his ex. I don't of my first wife. I respect her, yet she is not even a believer, except she is the mother of my children!


I hope you, Spoilt, will marry a muslim man so that you really can be spoilt. For sure. There is no better man than a Muslim man. Proof is that Islam elevates the humanity of man. He will not put your "light out" in anger, if he is a true believer!

@Bawomolo: « #9 on: Yesterday at 08:58:30 PM »

Secularity is an act of religious tolerance and civilization. Gone are the days of theocracy

Not true. Religious tolerance and civilization is Islam. Verse 256 of Surah 2 allows people to be who they are, muslim or not.
Civilization as in elevation of human's humanity since we should clearly display God consciousness is Islam in its saying that mankind and all things are not created for nothingness. Then Allah the almighty declares that Jinn and Man, whom He gave "choice of will" are not created but to serve Him.



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not all Afghans are muslims. Islam can rule your home but not as official government policy.[/quote]People make government. As you know, even "democracy" states government of the people, by the people and for the people. Is the governance of america, even as it tries to run away from the "Christian England (Church of England)", still manage to put Judeo-Christian spin on it. Alas, we see the wabbliness of that "not so pure "democracy", as people are now talking about government partial take over of financial institutions. Welcome to the reality of "human nature!"

Charity begins at home. The muslim society, even only by name, should be able to rule themselves, if only on paper by Islamic rulings. Majority rules, man.



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I'm talking about Pakistan's version of Sharia Law not the idealistic one. Countries that have implemented sharia law have high rates of gender inequality.[/quote]I am talking about "idealistic One", Qur'aan and its Sunnah/ahadith explanations. Anything less is not Sharia.

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can you name a perfect Islamic Society or are we being idealistic here again.

No perfect islamic Society. I said that before. However we have individuals who are aspering to "perfection" as much as they can.

@Dayokanu: It is not permissable to beat your wife. Many verses in the Qur'aan speak about the protection and respect for women. However, those who get roused up enough and lose it with their spouses are told to beat them "lightly." This was at the beginning of detoxication. Like when it was allowed that Muslims could drink but must not approach Salah in that state of intoxication. Later the whole alcohol consumption was forbidden.

When you examine this verse, you will understand that it actually prohibits beating women, since in almost all cultures, men are the dominating gender. Hence, men do have the upperhand. The Arabs who were elevated by Islam used to beat, rape and kill their women without recourse.

People like these were gradually elevated by detoxication from harsh outright beat down to the stage of "be considerate" if you beat to the final stage where you and her "are set to be equal in all thing", and warned that as to be in restraint because you are stronger gender.

My wife Zainab is a 6ft tall woman, much younger than me. I was surprised when she said that she hoped I never beat her. I had to tell her that it is not permissable for me to beat anyone, especially the woman I love. Islam restrain hitting the face, even.

However you will find ignorant men beating their women to the point of damaging them. In the same way you find people consuming alcohol. In the same way people indulging in fornication or adultery, etc. All these Islam is against.

When you look for exemplary entities in Islam, you look at Muhammad (AS), then his companions. Then less the next generation. Then less the following generation. In today's islam, you should look at the best of men in belief, good deeds, kindness, etc. Not just those who say they are muslims and their actions are outside Qur'aan and or Sunnah.

@Jairzinho: I never said anyone who "converted" out of Islam deserves to die. If a person left Islam for a genuine reason, other than wilful deceit that others might leave it, which was his intention of entering it in the first place, there is no verse that says he should be killed. Otherwise the verse that speaks to leaving Islam and return to it, many times will have no place in the Qur'aan, and definitely no usefulness.

For example, one of my brothers converted out. And he just came back into it just few years ago. Many people are muslims, born or revert, yet don't understand a thing about Islam. Do you kill a person like that who convert out? is there not a chance for him to revert back in? What about the verse that says there is no compulsion in religion? You can be a believer, a non-believer or irreligious. Islam give room for all kind of beliefs.

Don't lie on me; Oh Brasiho.

Nigerians in Nigeria, need not portray Islam as a tribal or regional religion. neither the Makkan nor the Madinan can even do that, since Muhammad (AS) is the Messenger and prophet for all mankind.

There are enclaves in the pure Igboland, where Islam is not a stranger. Enugu has masjid, even way back when, because my friend is married to an Enugu woman. He had said that he went to masjid in that city for prayers. I guess one need to know where to go, especially when you are new. Then the Nigerian Muslims need to make plenty Dawah, all over the places; north, south, east, west, central, etc.

We still must make dawah on ourselves, because we do things that are not Islamic, more often than not.

@Bawomolo: « #5 on: Yesterday at 12:44:47 AM »

why is it a welcome development if it's supposed to be a secular country.

Secularity is actually an act of irreligiousness. A believer should not be irreligious. If Afghanis are muslims, should there be any other rule(s) on them except Islamic rule? For example, I caution myself of things that could be secularly acceptable, but Islamically unacceptable; Interest taking or giving is one of them.

You support this law even though it would lead to the discrimination of women?

A sound Islamic law; Shariah or Sunnah based will not discriminate on women. Please give me any law that discriminates against women and I will show you how far is it from Islam of Muhammad (AS), which his Lord gave him.

do Saudi-Arabian women drive?

And their reason is not rooted in Islam, if we consider that Aisha (RA) rode to the battle ground all by herself. And many of the women companions (RA) rode camels and horses, the mode of transportation of that time. Still a mode of transportation, even now.

Friends and I were talking about this, yesterday. None considered Saudi Arabia as the perfect "Islamic Society!" I will not let my women folks hang around there more than the period of hajj, since arab men, indeed the saudis have no good sexual morality in the Islamic sense of the word!

Subhanallah: Oniranu ke? Wow. I am shocked. I thought you are not a child and probably will have some "morality!" I have never chased you around. For if I did, you would have known the differences between the "fantasy that you are in" and the "Reality I will put you through." I would have came to "Germantown" and snatch you off the rack, like that! It will not take me more than a split second to do it. I am a man in the truest sense of the word.

If you can't say anything without being caustic, like that little girl, then this is my last conversation with you. You must have heard the yoruba statement; O ba takiti ko firi shonle, a de bi ti a fe de!

Why will I still be your friend if you insult my wife? Yet my mother is more important to me. Yet Muhammad (AS) is the most beloved to me in all creations! Think man.

I do not even insult you, yet I called your home and you refused to pick up. And never you called me! Stop showboating, man. lol.

I hope you do have some jealousy in you. I am saying the good kind of jealousy.

@St. Funmi: Why don't you marry a muslim man and tame him. Afterall, you like to beat/hit your man alot! Sorry, you like the dominatrix mannerism. There may be a muslim man out there who will calm down for "Funmi!" lol.

@Olaadegbu: « #43 on: Yesterday at 11:38:54 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 02:05:57 PM
@Olaadegbu:
Which father; King David or Capenter Joseph? Oh boy, Olaadegbu, you are so confused!

How can a slave know what family members are talking about? You cannot understand it with your islamic spectacles, its called family talk.

A bere oro lowo iwo ogbeni, wo esi tio fun wa! Tell me who the father is; David, Capenter, who? Don't humor me, man. lol.



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Is that to refute that Mo preached death to the infidels or that he inspired terrorists to commit atrocities in the name of their god? For your information, Jesus' prayer showed a forgiving heart to the sinners being used by the devil to crucify Him, as he is still using his men to persecute God's children today. To defend your nation againsts terrorists is not a wrong thing to do.[/quote]The word "infidel" is in Timothy. Timothy is a Book in the Bible! That kills the Infidel association with Qur'aan, since you can't even argue that Kafir means infidel. Or you will say that? And you need to watch plenty of Youtube videos of "ChristianMissionary attrocities" before you continue, please. Evidently, you are are not up to date in the "evil" of christianity and its biase against "palestinians" who even have Christians amongs its ranks, which is not what we can say about the Zionist Israelis!

You know Jesus never forgave one of the two thieves your Bible said he was killed along with! So in aggregate, it is a 50/50% if you depend on Jesus, even using your Bible reports as my argument point. And if a group designates another group as a terrorist group, it is okay, according to you to defend your homeland against the terrosist group. Can you blame the palestianians people then or any other group who fight those who invade them?



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Really, to me action speaks louder than words. When I see Allah's name being ridiculed I don't hear or see any muslim carrying placards, picketing or protesting or burning effigies but let someone make fun of Mohammed ala the Danish cartoons, come and see the muslims in Nigeria killing innocent people, and this does not only happen in Nigeria, if you listen to the news you will realise that it happens all over the world. Do you still claim that you do not have Mohammed as your master? your imams even call him Lord and in your holy books which has highly exhorted him to the high heavens.[/quote]If you and I are friends, which we are not, and I hear you ridicule Muhammad (AS), our friendship is finished. Then just imagine if you ridicule the Lord of Muhammad (AS) and me? Only Allah will ever soften my heart towards you in each situation.



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Are you saying that Sura 9:5 is a lie?[/quote]I simply state that those who are killed, as instructed by Surah 9 Verse 5 are those who start the fight against Muslims for being Muslims. You must know what the yorubas say about a child should be grown enough to handle the sword before he asked how his father died? Islam was matured, it being a city state, while the "disbelievers" were still eager to end it by killing all the muslims. Is there any reason that they shuld not rise up in arm against the enemy of "Allah?" If Islam said people should be killed as soon as they left Islam, should there be any reason for the verses that speak about no compulsion in religion and people leaving islam and returning to it, over and again? It is you and your cohort who are the liars, man and not Surah 9 Veres 5!

If you don't know what Jesus said there is no shame in asking Christians and they will tell you what He said in Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:15-20

I know what they reported that Jesus said. I also know that Jesus cried, prayed and wept to "God!" Foolishly, some writers then turned around and called Jesus, the weeping, crying and praying man, god! How unreal is that, man?

Should we assume that the other 17 points are accurate since you only attemted to refute 5? And we can now see that all you did was to blow hot air.

I wo ogbeni yi, iwo awon 'eebo mi un" ti ko si e lara! I simple answered the "red lettered" verses, because you tend to emphasise them over the others. If they weren't important more than the other 12, you wouldn't have written them in red!

What I did was to react to what you presented as visually more important. Its like the way we left "holy ghost" alone and we iconoclastically talk abut the "son god!" If holy ghost was as equally important, you would not have relegated it to obscurity. Hence, you would be praying in the "name of holy spirit," instead of "in the name of jesus" to "father god!"

You see how I found a way to remind you that you are still worshipping three god, though you claim one God? You see very clearly the errors of your ways; having father god the most important, while son god is more important than ghost god! lol. In the famous Ijebu expression: Ema wule!

@Davidylan: « #121 on: Yesterday at 11:41:04 PM »

Ridiculous . . . someone told me the muslim was incapable of reasoning and now its confirmed.

Because of the word "Passover?" I will have to educate you about the Children of Israel's "pass-over", so that you can know the foundamental importance of the event, which is not the meal or the slaughter or the blood on the door frame; post s and beam. But the fact that their homes were skipped over by it being spared of the lost of lives; both humans and flocks. It is the same with the "passing over" of the muslims in Surah 19 Verse 71!

So everytime i say "pass over" the salt, i mean the jewish feast of the passover?

John boy, it is not the meal/Jewish feast. Duuh. The feast is a prelude to the angel of death passing over the homes. The angel passing over them is the passover, while the visit of the angel of death in the homes of the Egyptians meant no passover for the Egyptians, because they are touched with the experience of loss of lives.

The none muslims are the "Egyptians" in this case of passing over of the hellfire, which is actually loss of lives from experiencing Paradise. But the Muslims are the "Children of Israel" in the same case of passing over hell which means that they are spared (InshaAllah) from going to hell, even though they have to go through the sighting of it. And their reward in Paradise is even the most sweet, because they could have been in hell, except by the Mercy of Allah they escape it!

David, you don't have the Mercy of allah and the slaughtered lamb can't help diddlee, since it was consumed by the Children of Israel in their "feast!" Remember, man?

- The children of Israel werent spared the agony of death, God wasnt killing them in the first place - he never said he would.

Same with the Muslims in Surah 19, Verse 71. Read it david for "rebuke, for instructions, etc!" I go Bibeli on you, boyyyyyyyye!

The blood of the lamb was simply to separate his own from the Egyptians.

Laa ila ha ilAllah Muhammadanr Rasulullah (AS) and the acts of worship and good deeds have done that for the muslims. We don't have to kill any animals, except for consumption!

God sent the angel of death so the Israelites could be allowed to leave by the obstinate pharaoh.

The oscillating bridge over the hell does the same thing. Since there will be no more dying, when the non-muslims fall inside hell, it will be for ever, since it is guaranteed that they will never be in Paradise!

- If allah loved these "believers" why shld they even pass over hell in the first place? why see it at all?

Same reason the Children of Israel were made to slaughter their animals, paint their door posts and remain indoors, etc.


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Yeah because if you read through the journey of the israelites thru the wilderness, God refused to tell them His name. Jacob asked, Moses asked, the israelites also asked . . . it was not given to them for that time.[/quote]Did Adam or Noah or Ibrahim (AS), just to name a few before the generation of isaac knew the name of the universal God? If any of them knew, then you statement about some Unknown God of Jacob, Moses, etc is simply silly like a belief that preaches such a farce! Read again, aburo. I know you are angry at me, so you refused to pick up my phone calls. Ijebu aree. I called you refused to pick up, yet I know your penny pinching heart will not call me. You tight wog, or eagle claw!


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you are merely being desperately deceptive . . . if allah were indeed "merciful" he would send you to janaat straight instead of making you see suffering, sorrow and death.[/quote]Aren't you david being disingenuous by your statement? Take the case of your dead god for example; you claim that he had to suffer, and experience sorrow and death. We muslims only have to just see them and never to experience them, yet you can see how highly favored we are by Allah?!


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allah is now claiming credit for biblical miracles? Why has he NO miracle of his own in the quran? why must he borrow from the bible? Why did allah do this alleged miracle for the jews and totally forgot Ishmael who probably needed a miracle too?[/quote]If there was no "Bible", never mind the many versions and editions, the Qur'aan from the Owner of the Throne Supreme will still tell the accurate story of what happened to Musa and the bani Israil under him and Fir'awn and his junudu (army)! Afterall, Qur'aan states that they "body" of Fir'awn will be saved so that future generations shall know about it.

Please tell me what happened to the "body" of Pharaoh who drowned in the sea? Use your Bible and please quote generously from it. I also need to know that up to the time that Qur'aan reported that a drowned person's body is recovered from the water, there is no record that such a thing ever happened. Today, we see the divers recovering bodies from the waters.

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@Davidylan: « #119 on: Today at 08:25:44 PM »

How sly and dishonest can you get?
How can sura 19:71 be equivalent to the passover of the jews?

Both have "pass over" it in them. Read your Bibeli, again, omo Obanta!
While the Children oif Israel were spared of the agony of death.
The believers will be spared the agony of falling into Hell and its punishments!

1. The angel of death was meant for Egyptians ONLY not jews.

Hell fire is meant for disbelievers ONLY not Believers; Mumim and Muslim.

Jews used the blood of the passover lamb on their doorposts to signify protection under the blood and as a forerunner of Christ's ultimate sacrifice on the cross.

Mumim and muslim dont need blood. We use Tawhid, Aqeedah which includes salah, Zakat, Sadaqah, Saum, Hajj and Umrah and good deeds for the pleasure of Allah, in Whom alone we hope. Duuh.

The passover is a celebration of Christ's immense love,

Oh confused heart; jesus was not even known then. Moses was the Messenger and prophet (AS) who led them out of Egypt. Tell me where jesus was, since the Children of israel say that their Lord is yahweh or Jehovah! No Jesus to be found in here! david, don't humor me. I dislike bad jokes and you are known for them.

sura 19:71 is a celebration of allah's hate of his own slaves.

Allah and i hope you do follow instructions! Surah 19 verse 71 shows the Mercy of allah, since the believers will see hell but will not go to it. With this sight, they can appreciate the Favor of Allah on them. Unlike disbeliever; hell is a raging and greedy place. They should be prepared, man.

Your story reminds me of an old friend; Kenneth Lewis Tyler who could not stand the nagging of Linda, his live in lover at that time, hence he moved out. He foolishly said to me about hellfire that he will deal with it, since he had many tours of Vietman. I had to remind him that he should know that if Linda was able to defeat him by just nagging him day and night, how naive can he be that he thinks that he could get used to hell's pain! You almost remind me of him.

If not why would he be taking them anywhere near hell in the first place?

The same reason that Allah let the Children of Israel passed safely between the water walls of the sea, while the disbelieveing Egyptians perished in the same situation.

Why, after donkey yrs of knocking heads on the floor, starving one month of a yr, expensive but meaningless pilgrimages, reading incomprehensible babble . . . . will he then take then to see hell?

And the qualitative value of one eye is higher than 5000 years of woship. Then imagine what the value of 2 eyes are? Then add 2 ears, 2 nostrils, 1 tongue, 32 teeth, 2 legs (long to the neck or short like a tree stump), 2 hands, etc. Is it not true that Allah, the God Who has Power over all things show Mercy by just a mere sight, while the disbelievers go into hell to dwell in pure punishments?

I gues you as a Christian will not know the doodoo you are in already until you finally at the point of death that Jesus son of Mary was no more than a human messenger and prophet from his lord to the children of Israel, alone. How you a Yoruba man get tangled with me is the headache you have.

Just the same way the Children of Israel who refuse to even acknowledge him as a Messenger and Prophet will be shocked at the point of death, when the true reality hit them.

Where is **Osisi? Lol.

David can't read diddle, except lab reports.

And in each case your heart lean towards it. You took steps to effectuate what it is that you are doing. You can't become a student unless you are in school. You can't become a muslim, unless you make Salah after you believe that Allah is God and Muhammad (AS) is the messenger.

And in the #8, if you had no inkling of beleif, surrounding yourself with the preliminaries that will lead you to the event, you would not have gone there to experience it!

Allah is always in control. Allowing the event to fit the situations. The people who became Muslims, say in the West (Europe, Americas, etc), take the initiatives to 'their new realities.' Afterall, there are many who are in Islamic enviroment all their lives, and never want to be Muslims!

@Olaadegbu:

Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).

What if somebody does not want to believe? Is he left alone, since thats what Muhammad (AS) did, because howelse can you have arab non-muslims, if he did what you and your puppet masters are peddling? LOL. Mo mu iwo ogbeni yi! Your fallacy is exposed.


[quote]Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).

Which father; King David or Capenter Joseph? Oh boy, Olaadegbu, you are so confused!

Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Mohammed and carry out their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew 5:9).

Yet, the USA, Britain and all the collision of the willing nations (ala George Bush arm twisting), are Christian countries. I remember that the USA rushed the military hardwares to "Zionist" Israel to kill "Muslims". Now tell me where did the Christians gat this kinda inspirations? Definitely not from Muhammad (AS) since they are not Muslims? What about "Water boading" and the likes and even renditions? Ogbeni, o je jawo kuro ninu iwa palapala to nhu. Agba ni taree. And what kinda peacemaker is christianity when the christians are the "biggest killers" of today, with their nuclear bombs, shock and awe and trying to play "God" mindset?"

Mohammed called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight . . . but now is My kingdom not from here" (John 18:36)

Muhammad (as) is not the master of Muslims. But Muhammad and all the Muslims have One Single Master, Allah. I guess the condition of the Muslims is better since we do not have human master and we are not servant to any but our Rabb! And why did Jesus fight so much not to die, if he had nothing to do with this world? I guess it looks good on paper, which is different from the reality in the heart. Didn't the Bible say that Jesus told people to buy swords? This reminds me of Fela's "you miss road" song. Only warriors buy swords because what will a peaceful or peacemaker persons "make sword do?!"

The Qur'an says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qu'ran 9.5); Christ said, "Preach the Gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).

You guys are lying without shame. If the preaching to every creature is true, then "I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel", and many other inflamatorily discriminating stataments from Jesus are therefore lies? Olaadegbu, who is zooming who then; Jesus or Christians? Definitely what came out of Isa bin Mariam (AS) was true.

I didn't feel like responding to your many lies. I just picked the ones that I think you are most "proud of showcasing" the Biblical Jesus kindness in. And I kinda slash them to shred. **Osisi, lol. Where are you? You must come to the aid of this dude. He is bleeding bad. He may hemorrage soon and it won't be fun to see him not getting the Redcross treatment he deserves, since you guys are the "rulers" of this world, at the present moment.

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@Olaadegbu: You haven't retired this old "tired" website material?! man, O se pupo. You must be the one who have eyes can not see. Heve ears but can hear a sound. Whose heart is harder than a stone, because if you look under a stone after a rainfall, it will be wet.

Who is the another comforter that Jesus promised, if we take it that Jesus was the former comforter? If Jesus is not taking as the former comforter, please tell us who are the former that he was alluding to before he told us in the bible about another comforter?

Was the first/former abiding with you now? is the another also abiding with you? Was the former comforter a "holy ghost" since i know you will sheepishly argue that the another comforter a holy ghost?

And what is the difference between Jesus and any of the two comforters, if he is not one of the two, by nature and deeds, etc? Is Jesus still abiding with us now and howif you say he is?

My muslim brothers and sisters, lets watch how olaadegbu and his brothers and sisters will trip over themselves on these matters. If you have any other ideas, lets lob it at them. I wanna see their heart take a good pounding. Lol. They don't have a good conscience, but definitely they do have hearts.

@fatezy: « #5 on: Today at 12:01:06 PM »

If i'm right, does this mean we r just playing our roles in this world? We have all been determined to carry out some actions, we r just like puppets.

If you think we are puppets, then you are not correct (right), since Allah allows us free-will. Puppets are controlled by Puppet master, without the options of free-will. We humans to Allah are not puppets, but His choicest of creations.

Meanin we have the illusion that we r free willed while in fact we r determined? This is were I get confused

Wrong again, considering many of the verses of the Qur'aan where it has been made clear that human have the choice of destiny based on free-will, since we know obedience and good deeds have their rewards and disobedience and evil deeds have their consequences. I will just have to used the stories of Adam/Hawa (as) and Iblis who became Shaitan (Lanatullah alalkafirin) to illustrate the issue of destiny. While Iblis arrogantly disobeyed Allah, he did not seek forgiveness as he was offered the chance to do so. Instead, he compounded his offences by more sins and devices of confusion and deceits against fellow creations, the human being. No one has ever heard Iblis, now Shaitan ever seek forgiveness. He will not even as he knows that the acts that he indulges in have consequences as there is punishment in the fire of hell for them.

The other side is that of the deed of Adam (AS) and his wife; Hawa. There shortcoming was borne out of ignorance. And the momentthey knew it, they felt remorseful and began to seek forgiveness. Allah knew their hearts as good hearts, lacking arrogance and deceitfulness. Unlike Shaitan, as Iblis who was even in the company of Angels. But that did not help him, since he was a genie and basically he was known to Allah, alone as having a heart that was jealous (of the new creation; Man), arrogant to order as he disobeyed and deceitful in leading man away from path of obedience.

The point is this fatezy, you are the one who can effectuate your own destiny. Allah says that he will not change the condition of a people except that they begin to change it with their own effort. Allah also states that he will not let any work of man go into waste.

So when you work hard and you fail, it could have been really worse than what the reality is. If you are still constant and not dispodent of the Mercy of Allah, then your reward will be stored for you for later date, if not right away on earth, but definitely in the day of Judgement. Allah says that he will not be "unjust" to His creations. This shows that he is not a Puppet Master and we are not Puppets, even though we are His subjects.

Are children puppets of the parents, even though they depend on them for shelter, food and drink and maintanance. Yet Allah is more Just that any parent. And He supports the parents and children, altogether. Is there anyone who knows beside Him?

@Davidylan: « #110 on: Today at 12:39:18 AM »

Islam is perhaps even WORSE . . .

Perhaps you said. You are not sure. I agree with your perhaps, since you are not sure.

what does allah mean by sura 19:71?

Surah 19, verse 71, says that all humans (muslims, since this is your worries) will "Pass Over" Hell. This reminds me of the Passover of the Children of Israel, in Egypt. I will use this very event to educate your mind, omo.

Are ALL muslims going to hell?

Since passover does not mean you will be touched by it or go inside it, or pass through it. Unles you will say that the passover of the Children of Israel caused the same affliction on them as it did the Egyptians whose homes were not passed over! Duuh David.

why is hell populated mainly by women?

The same reason the earth is populated by women. Afterall, take a census of the ratio of man/woman. Use the same to think about all kinda possibilities. By the way there will be men in Hell: Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc, Atheists. And there will be women in Paradise; Muslim women.

why does islam claim aaron is the sister of Mary when he lived 2000yrs before her at least?

The same exact reason you rae call son of Adam, and your claim that Jesus is son of King David, when he was obviously not. Am not finished, David A_ _n_ _ ! The same reason you are called omo Oduduwa, when we know that your last name is not Oduduwa.

Why is the quran claiming that Zechariah the father of John the baptist was a prophet

It is obvious that you as a Christian don't honor or acknowledge the prophets of God, so you wouldn't know the yardstick for a prophet, even if it smack you in your face.

Take Adam for example, or Joseph or Haroun and many other, including John! You guys deny these noble men as prophets. Even King David whose name you proudly bear, and then his wise son Solomon. None of them and many others do you accept as prophet! You don't know what a prophet is, so thats your reason for misclassification.

when he was a levitical priest?

I remember that the Melchezdek was called priest. Yet many of you even called him "god" because no one knows anything about his family or his beginning or ending. I have heard you guys say that he was Jesus before Jesus. So if you are demeaning a levite "priest" you can see that you have also do exact same thing with the status of all priests; Melchezdek in this case. And since he was claimed to be Jesus before Jesus, by extensions, Jesus directly have been demeaned.

Why was mohammad confused about the direction of the qiblah - jerusalem or mecca?

What direction did he pray to in Makka? Of course the Kaaba. And read the Qur'aan again. Allah says that He knows the "Quiblah" that is "dear" to the heart of Muhammad (AS). Hence Allah made what was in his heart a reality for Muhammad (AS). He gave him the gift that will make his heart very glad by changing to Makka. Is that confusion or it is your deceitful heart that is confused?!

why did arabs first say joktan was their father then revert back to ishmael who has NO KNOWN ancestry in arabia but Egypt?

The same way that the jews say that their father was Hebrew, when Ibrahim was not a Hebrew. When Isaac was not a Hewrew. When Jacob (Israel) was not a Hebrew!

And about Egypt; was Ibrahim (AS) Egyptian? Are you a native of your mother's home town in Nigeria or are you from Ijebu Ode, the town of your father, and his father and his father and his father, and his father, and his father? David, seriously.

Christianity isnt confusing, you just dont understand what Paul was saying their you fool.

David, you must be running a fever. Paul is your role model, instead of Jesus who was not a Christian. I know you will like to remind me about Jesus being the boss. He aint the boss. He doesn't care a hoot about Christianity. You can borrow his name for all i care. However he will refuse your association (the association) in the day of judgement. I guess as the Bible said; the works would have been done in vain, since he will say " I do not know you!" Ha ha (The Simpsons).

*the hollow of God's hands*

How do you figure? I love you, but I still wanna know!

« #111 on: Today at 12:40:03 AM »
where are these things allah lied to have sent? Are they in jupiter? why can muslims not find a single one of them?

Allah is the right spelling. Have I ever tried to write your last name with"a" instead "A?"

You should tell us what you think is missing or which Prophet (as) you are under the impression has no message or something about him in the Qur'aan. And stop being a "bad boy" like Stowie in "family Guy!"

**Osisi; tell me which one of the wives of the noble Prophet (AS), did he decapitate? Could you educate us about the incident? I wanna see how honest you are!

I don't think you know that a person who you thought is moderate may just be as wild as "Ariel Sharon" who had the got to march into Masjid Aqsa, while claiming that he was a moderate zionist!

But thats just my dry humor this evening. I still want you to tell us which of the wives of the prophet was decapitated by him (AS)? Am waiting woman and I don't have all day. Okay, night!

All of the above. And when you or anyone think that you have worked hard to effectuate the new reality of your life, which is your destiny, Allah the Almighty knows your heart, the state of your "Free Will", He makes your reality fit your effort.

Hence the destiny is always contant. A pure hearted person will have the elements that will make him change from a state of confusion into a definite state of clarity. No wonder that a person may be looked at as a person of fire, hence he takes on the garb of paradise before he dies, because of his pure heart, known only to Allah.

@damola1: Believe Nostadamus all you want. Just because a handful of Muslims, including the guy accused of decapitating his wife (just accusation), have done outrageous things, can we all blame Islam for it? Silly Damola, if you are a Christian, you should know that many Christians have done worse; massive murder, wholesale murder, and all kinda evil acts!

I have not seen a Muslim who have accused the whole of Christianity because of this! And 3 million or even larger is still a handful from 1,500,000,000 people!