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@bawomolo: « #7 on: Today at 04:07:16 AM »

but Islam and traditional Arabic culture are intertwined. did the hijab come from Greece? The koran isn't exactly that progressive when it comes to gender equality.

Hijab was not an arab thing. But a muslim thing. During the formitive years of the Islam, in Makka and before Islam of Muhammad (AS), there was not Hijab wearing mandate or custom in the whole of Arab. Proof; the muslim women would not have been commanded to wear it, which by wearing it, they are "identified as muslims, so that they will not be molested." You see the arab men, in sexually agressive behavior used to cat call/whistle, at women, to get her attention. Arabs are still very sexually agressive, even today.

It was Umar Khattab, in Madina who raised the idea, because, he saw the evil of the overt sexuality of the men. And immediately Allah revealed to His Messenger (AS) the verses concerning it in Surah Azhab. The claim thereof as a "traditional Arab" thing to wear Hijab is false. Rather it is clearly Islamic, which the general arabic culture may try to assimilate themselves in. Let me give you an example in the traditional Western culture. I do know the west pretty good. The muslims, indeed the africans among us for the most part put on the garb/garments of the west, in our everyday living, even when we can afford to be ourselves, because of relative independence. We have muslims who even conc, or rastafy their hair, and shave their faces just that they may fit in. Rasta hair in yorubaland was frown on. Now, its almost acceptable to be that weird.

And gender equality was practiced for the first time on earth by the proclamation in injuctions from Qur'aan. Look at other religious texts and general cultures of all peoples before Muhammad's brand of Islam. The arabs used to bury their daughters and used to see their wives and women as mere properties. It was islam that put an end to both by forbidding killing of daughters and allowing inheritance, in agregates for sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, and father's share is even less than that of the mother.

Women got the same responsibility as men, including the matters of knowledge, etc. Look into all the religious texts. You will not see where any early scholar was a woman, except in Islam; all the surviving wives and followers of the prophet (as) were scholars. His wives were termed therefore as "mother's of believers" whereby one could behave as a son in front of them. " Mother is an elevated status.


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hey it's not fornication as long as the women am sleeping with are considered my wives.[/quote]You are in "make belief" in your wifey thingy. This is not the same with Islam. A true muslim, male and female know the seriousness of husband and wife relation, as a contract before Allah, in the way of the Prophet (AS) have been instructed in Qur'aan, and humans have witnessed it. There is not "fornication" or "adultery" permissable. Those who indulge in either, do not know Islam or are deviants, at the time of their practicing it.

@TheBlessed: « on: Yesterday at 08:13:57 PM »  

Everyone deserve the right to be treated like a human being.  

Muslim women are being treated better than animals in Afghanistan.

The normal and actually ideal condition is full treatments as human being, and no less. Unfortunately the males in every society try to subject the females, into clearly second class group of its citizenry. Unfortunately, it is not only in Afghanistan that you see these evil behavoirs. The beating and the hitting and the deprivations of women from the goodness of the society; education, etc. These men themselves are educated. It is unfortunate. But Islam is by no means the culprit. I know. I am a muslim. I know that any evil I do is not encouraged by Islam. And I can not find a source to justify it, from Qur'aan and or Hadith/Sunnah.

They are being denied education, forced into marriages they are not interested in, force to marry men and worse of all old men they are not in love with by their families and relatives.  Why?  Is marriage compulsory?

Marriage is compulsory in Islam. However the process it follows, is different from all the repressive methods you see , unfortunately, around as you have systematically outlined, above. Unfortunately, what you see is that many have mixed up their pre-Islamic culture with authentic Islamic culture. By the way the Arabs are guilty of this, too.

As a result, these women are now commiting suicide everyday to escape such hostal and brutal treatment by their so called families.  The Holy Koran condemns this brutal behaviours - What are Moslems all over the world doing to stop these forced marriages and ill-treatment of women in such countries if they believe in the words of the Holy Koran?

As you have rightly stated; Qur'aan condemns these evil acts. As I have stated above, the cultures of these societies are responsible for these misdeeds, and unIslamic behaviors, towards women. It is always surprising to me, even as a muslim when I see these things happening. Unfortunately, the muslims are not united, as a unit of people, with a single head person, a just man, a Kalifah.

Since the family heads are not even protecting their own, resorting, first into their Pre-Islamic culture, then the kalifah would have instituted "decrees" that the Injuctions of Qur'aan as expantiated on in the Ahadith of the prophet (AS), will carry the day, in all matter and marriage is a major issue in Islam. And so is education. And so is good behavior and noble treatment of everyone in the society.

It is not permissable for women to abandone their family name, even after marriage. Also, it is not a must that the wife cooks, cleans, etc for the husband. Women are given unfettered "honor!" She is not supposed to be forced to marry, any man. She is the sole person who should make her free will choice in marriage and hers, alone is the ownership of the "Dowry; whatever the agreed on with the husband."

So Ms. You do see that Islam is separate from Muslims. It is the muslims who have to elevate themselves to the injuctions of their Holy Books; Qur'aan being supported as in its explanations, the Hadith/Sunnah.

Please don't give me excuses, I want facts.

The fact of the matter is that Muslims have to search their collective conscience. They must ask themselves, if they are muslims or they want their ethnic and cultural innuances to be over Islamic guidelines. I think that at this moment, the muslims are suffering from theillnes of leaderless society.

Fortunately, there are individuals who try to practice Islam, as best as possible. majority of the American indigenes; blacks, whites and others, who do not carry their "ethnical cultures" into this noble way of life called Islam do. They take care of their family and next of kin and kilt. They protect their women and their youngs. I know many of these people.

My advise to myself, first and many and indeed all muslims is to be God conscious. Allah the All Knowing sees and knows all deeds. Fear Him, before you do evil.

give us the site, man.

I went to the thread named "Today's Rhema," and saw nothing!

@Davidylan: « #6 on: Today at 02:41:41 AM »

Olabowale the slowpoke . . .

And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2). S. 5:46 Al-Hilali & Khan; cf. S. 57:27

Either you can produce it or allah is a liar. Make up your mind.

If you believe this very verse, since you are using it to process your argument, then please note that Jesus is sent, in the "foot steps" of those who came before him. Those individuals (AS) were human prophets and messengers. Almost all came from parents; fathers and mothers. Except Adam, the first man who had none, and his mate was made from substance (rib) removed from him. Yet none of these noble people was made to be anything other than what they are.

To produce an Injil is not my responsibility. Allah says the Bible; Injil and other parts have been corrupted. That is enough, proof. However if I proceed to give you visual proofs; I will ask you to collect many Bible Versions, and editions. Whatever you do you will find that no two versions and or editions are alike. Infact, there is no concensus among Bible versions and or editions. Think about it. The mere fact that you dont have a "Bible" that all Christian denominations will agree to as the "Bible for all" proofs that you have only NO ORIGINAL! What you have are Not Originals, but corrupted unoriginals!

It is you who have to think hard, therefore that what you have been passing as "Bible" is not 100% as was giving to the last "prophet" of the bible; Jesus! I made up my mind and i hope you will see that from the Lead lensed Glasses you are wearing to cover your heart.

« #7 on: Today at 02:42:41 AM »
"People of the Book, you do not stand on anything, until you perform the Torah and the Gospel [Injil], and what was sent down to you from your Lord." , S. 5:68

What was sent to them which is in Torah and Injil that they need to perform, that Allah is giving them injuction about in this verse? It is to abandone their "corruption" and follow the Messenger, Prophet (AS) who is new in their mist, alive with his latest revelation the Qur'aan. Their prophets (AS) have told them about him. Jesus (AS) spoke about him, in a nicknamed "Comforter, Spirit of Truth", since he was also that, himself. Moses spoke about him, since they say there is no prophet like Moses to come among the Children of israel, in the way he liberated his people, collectively uniting them together as a single people with a single purpose. Removing them from altogether from the yoke and laden burden of evil and idolatry of Pharaoh. Giving them a new religion. Jesus never gave a new religion, in his lifetime. Moses did in his lifetime.

This was exactly what Muhammad did to the arabs; stopping them from endless feud, removing idolary from them. Making them a single people and nation under a banner of the new religion with a single Lord God the Creator Allah. Yet before this people had not experience this classical birth before. It was not a renaissance for them, but a renaissance to all humans, starting from them. The exact thing that the Children of Israel had and was suppossed to carry forward from Moses to the end of time. The blew it after Jesus.

Somebody else had to carry it. It just not have to be from Children of israel anymore, since they are not the only people from Ibrahim (AS). There run was finished, and that was that.

Where are they? Was allah lying?

Today is Sunday. I hope you go to church. When you get there, before the Reverend/Pastor, ask him or raise your hand and ask about the "Xerox" copy of the Original Bible; even in English (I will be making it difficult if I asked for Hebrew or aramaic), that all Christians; Catholics, and all the other Orthodox sects and all protestant sects can agree on.

If he waffles on an answer or can't meet your demand, just get up and say to him, "so you have been preaching from "not original" all along? No wonder the muslims are saying the Bible is corrupt. Then storm out of the place and give me a call, man.

The point of the matter is that it is you who needs to get the reality of your Biblical quagmire. I know that you don't have Original and uncorrupted Bible, considering the many Bibles on earth, today! Point to an Original from collection pile of the Bibles! Show me the Money, man.

David, show me an authentic Bible, that will stand, head and shoulders above the rest. You have something like that, man? Lets dubb it "Original." I wanna see it. lol.

Jihad means struggle. Harb means war. They are two difference things.

Now about the "rape and illegal sex" thats bad and unislamic. It is unhuman and there is no elevation of humanity in it!

@Davidylan: « #2 on: Yesterday at 07:26:46 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 02:59:37 PM
Why Versions, always? When do we see an ORGINAL, if there is ONE?


1. Where is the original quran?

Committed to memory, in PURE ARABIC, by many already! Do you have something similar about the bible?

[/quote]2. Why was the first quran written 300yrs after Mohammad's time?
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Did Abu Bakr (RA) existed 300 years late? Or Uthman the 3rd Kalifah existed 300 years after Muhammad? Stop lying, man. I love you, but I hate your lying heart!

3. Where is the injil and torah allah lied to have sent and confirmed?

You could have proved it a "lie" if only you can show me the original Bible; Torah or Injil part, without passing up to us "versions and editions." You know the difference(s) between versions, editions, from ORIGINAL? Or don't ya, man?

Before you hypocrites come here whinning about "originals" pls take your time to answer the above.

I did, already. Please stop whinning and step up to the plate and give me answers to questions raised, above!

Besides what do you mean by "original"?

Original means, the thing that will not be called "version, edition, etc!"

The God of the bible does not deal in throwing books down from heaven neither did Christ ever claim to have written one.

Allah did not "throw" the Qur'aan. Revelation came from God, Who is not on earth, is not the same as throwing! Big difference, man, unless you are blind by intention!

By the way Muhammad (AS) did not write any book. Remember he was unlettered and for this reason, Jews and christians pride themselves, emptily as "people of the Books!" Jesus who came from pedigree of "prophets" and revelation receiver; Moses, David (AS), can be denied as a prophet who did not receive any revelation from his Lord?

If you do, please know that Muhammad (AS) is in the company of nobles; like Moses and David (AS) who people stated received revelations. This alone put muhammad in greatest of level and companionship!

@Davidylan: « #13 on: Today at 09:12:06 PM »  

Quote from: Riskie on Today at 08:50:22 PM
David, all Muslims do not condone foolish behavior (suicide bombings, child marriage etc). I have attended many Jummah services in which Imams openly denounced such activities and expressly tell the congregation that Allah does not want anyone to commit evil acts in His name or "for His sake". Maybe you just never came across these things or perhaps you are simply ignoring them.


We dont see them . . . we dont hear you . . . even on this thread most muslims have prefered to ignore it . . . the few who show up simply come to cry "you too!" Where are the muslims who frequent the "Jesus" threads? Why are they not here reinforcing what they allegedly learnt at jummah services? Is it not true that the marriage of a 15yr old was approved by the sharia council of Britain?

All we hear are the same mudane "i dont condone it" only when muslims are literarily pushed to the wall.

David, I have news for you; you are Keferi! You are not "important" in the day to day "conscience" of the muslims, that we as muslims, need to satisfy you, about our individual or collective conscience.

I have not met any group of people in my life who "self examine" themselves than the Muslims! Like "Mandela" told Ted Koppel on Nightline in 1990, the internal rift of "ANC" is not the dirty laundry for Public consumption.

If ANC, a mere political party could see wisdom in this statement, then imagine the wisdom that lies in it when it comes to Islam. Come to our "communities," around the US. No one will bite you or beat you up, even if you wear the Biggest Cross bling bling!

You will see and hear muslims cautioning themselves, helping one another to experience the highest form of humanities.

When the Muslims warn the would be "evil doers" amog themselves to not go evil, they do not need your approval, hence they are not gong to announce it to you in Ice Box Rochester! You will not even hear it anyway, because you will be frozen solid, like the people living in Minnesota.

No good muslim will engage or encourage anyone to do evil. Or discourages anyone from doing good.

Oh, David. The brother said baseless ACCUSATIONS, not baseless ALLEGATIONS! Read before you post

@georgecso: « #521 on: Today at 08:57:31 AM »

@ Olabowale


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a).The Koran forbids the existence of the Jewish state,


1). Give me a single verse to proof this?

2). I don't need to remind you of the objective cardinals of Hamaz and my main man Ahamadeen Najad

"a" was your statement. And "1" was my questioning its truth. When you responded to me with "2", I wonder if you understood my demand from you, at all in my "1", above.

If "Hamas" or "Ahmadenejjad" the "VERSE" in the Qur'aan as "Prrof?"


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Please dont waste my time with materials from these new age idiots. They amount to nothing. And truly, I hate typing

Please bro don't call this whole debate a waste of time. We should open our hearts and minds to comprehend each other. Yes we can![/quote]Obama Junkie. In this case, no you can't. I have been muslim all my life, with Christianity at a hearshot, as a youth. In my adult life, I live for at least 15 years or more consistently, without any significan break with Christians and Christianity. Now I deal with Jews, Christians and others, for almost 23 years, straight. I hear Church or Christian songs being played around me, at least daily or many days in a week.

There is no time I am attracted to it, with all the lures, and worldly immediate benefits and gratifications; women, money, etc that some are almost literaly throwing at me. Just to support my statement, that I am alone in this. Shekh saliu, a Jula tribe man of Guinea Conakry, started a masjid at the corner of Lewis and Halsey Streets in the Historically Preserved section of Bedford Styvesant of Brooklyn. he works for the New York Correction System.

Some of the Christian Chaplains have asked him, not once, but many times, since 911 to abandone Islam, and the rewards of trememdous amount of wealth awaits him. He had to even tell us, that he felt sad for himself, because what is it that he "Christians" who are asking him saw as a form of "opening" in him? He from this incidence, beginto increase his effort in bettering his Islam. And before, he had a master's degree from Al Ahzar University, in islamic Jurispudence. Also, a Master's degree in Economics from University in New York, after his arrival to this shore in 1973.

And to go back to my case; the Primary disqualification of christianity to all in islam, is the very thing that attracts and renders Islam very uthenically true; There is no god, by the Only God Whose personal name is Allah. He alone is worthy of being the LOrd God Creator, Ever Living, (Never dies, full of no fatique or stress), The Knower and Possessor of All Knowledge and The Power, Whom everything is under His control and everything is in need of Him!

When you know this, you will definitely eliminate, Angels, all Human Messengers/Prophets, Genies, all known and unknown entities as your Lord God Creator! You see why no one, Jesus (Son of Mary), included could not be God Lord Creator?

Kindly Read the Part 3 of 5 before you manke any conlcusion.

I already concluded, before I was born. My aged mother, Victoria Mariam Samuel will tell you that. SHe is now a Muslim, reverting in just less than 4 years from Christianity to Islam. Every Glory Belongs to Allah.

Why Versions, always? When do we see an ORGINAL, if there is ONE?

I will only respond to the "dearie" of georgecso, "**Osisi", because she has more information, than the "just agreeing" georgecso!

Babe, question for you; a woman who is nicknamed "mother of believers," should be the one sending believers to a certain death mission, of suicide? One; Suicide and unjust killing is forbidden in Islam.

There is no "mother of the believers" outside the "wives" of the prophet (AS). I am just at least giving you the credit that your "News story is true." I will come to the possible fallacies of it, soon enough. For a woman to orchestrate the rapes and cajole women to kill themselves are abnormal behavior. Every point you gloat about in your post, from the Sun "a sensational News Print, similar to the EnQUIRER" seem to me, at least things that calls for the help of "Shrinks." Yet I am not a Dr. You are. Is there anything wrong with the story, if the accused players are normal, or could you, from your knowledge of ordinary people, behaving ordinarily, would behave in this way?


Now, I have my doubts in the story, if the accused characters are what I will call "normal and or ordinary" Muslims. I happen to be normal and ordinary, the very reason I know that they are not, if the story is true.

I will leave the Shia versus Sunni issues alone. But please keep that possibility in your mind as we go along in the story.

Islam says that a Muslima is a sister to another Muslima or Muslim. The Muslima rights of honor, blood and property are all preserved. These are things that must not be violated. Further every Muslim, male or female has a right over another muslim, or muslima, for just sincerely belonging in the same faith. If they are neighbors, that is an added right over each other. If they are member of the same family, that is also another added right.

If we consider all of these, I wonder how a true muslim woman, will get a muslima or any woman, regardless of her religiousity, to be raped by "man or men", muslim or not? And then persuade her to "kill" herself, based on this very same "evil" which she herself was the mastermind or at least played a role.

Can this woman, who was a major figure in every evil plot be called a "Mother of the believers" of any kind? What believers are we talking about here? On a funny note: if she is a mother of believers, it is even looser that if I call you, a married woman, who had spoken gleely about "Aboona, Dumbbell, grabbing here and there", mother of "kids" as an "INNOCENT VIRGIN!"

One of my associate is a Psychiatrist. When we talk about people who we find their actions untrustworthy, she will put the psycho spin on it. Now, my dear, tell me if these persons are normal as muslims, or is it me and over a billion others who are the abnormal muslims here? Do we credit Christianity/all Christians of the evil deeds of any "Christian", since this is what I see you do with Islam, in your posts?

I wonder what we should do when we see an extreme and abnormal behavior from a person that would definitely identify him/herself as a Christian? Should we then say, without any reservation that all Christians and Christianity as a religion are guilty? How about a person who kills, cut the body into small pieces, store it and even eat part of it? This is a Christianity compartable act? What about the many evils of mass murders, while using the Bible as the instrument of coarsion?

I miss you, anyway. I hope you and your family are fine, Innocent Virgin? lol. Stop the insincerity. Islam will still grow though, inspite of your effort, in the contrary.

@~Lady~: Efe. We are (I am) the only one who can call you that, on Nairaland, because am "Daddey. I know you miss me, terribly.

Now whats your take on the excommunicated "former Ohio State first lady" woman priest, with the other women priests by the catholic hierrachy in Rome? Give me your take. Ko yo o!

@Georgecso: « #24 on: Yesterday at 05:15:17 PM »  

@ Olabowale
Its simple bros bring out the uncorrupted Book or Bible out as  you claimed. There should be a copy with the Ahmaed Deedat or any of the arab state

I use my marble man. But I am happy to be affiliated with the late Sheikhu al Islam; Ahmad Deedat (ra).

My man, you should show us an "uncorrupted" Bible that is acceptable to all Christian denominations. What I will do is that I will eliminate each "Bible" that you bring forward, until you dont have any to put forward.

The answer therefore will simple proof my point; you aint get an "uncorrupted Bible!"

Olabowale!!!

Please tell us what the word "We " stands for or meant in the verses l quoted above please. Besides is Prophet Muhammaed (SAW) a yoruba Man?  . Open your eyes and think well  before you make any point.

We, in Qur'aan means Allah, alone. You know that He has no partner, right? Also, when you read some of the places, where the Majestic pronouns are used, it continues with "singular pronoun or Allah's name directly. In the rest of the places, it continues to the adjacent verse or verses, where you will get the complete story that Allah speaks about Himself in a befitting pattern as above!

But the Prophet was not the speaker or user of the majestic pronouns. However let me address your question; The prphet was not a Yoruba man. However, yorubas are not the only people who dignify themselves, based on their status in the the society. Every culture of people have the same common human humanity snd dignity.

By the way, the yorubas story runs through Arabia. That should tell you something.



@ttalks:

The answer to the questions:

Yes, Jonah was dead inside the belly of the whale/fish.
He died before he was swallowed.

Proof(s)?

Jon 2:1-10
(1) Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
(2) And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
(3) For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
(4) Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.
(5) The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.
(6) I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.
(7) When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.
( They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.
(9) But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.
(10) And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.

Dead man praying, etc? No wonder you thought that Jesus died, too!
Interestingly, Salvation is of the Lord, not of Jesus! Read where God or Lord was mentioned. You will not find Jesus in there.

Note the bold portions.

- "Out of the belly of hell cried I"
Hell represents the place of the dead. It is refered to as hades,sheol or grave in different translations. Obviously, it is only the dead that can be in the place of the dead.

Since Jonah came back 3 full days later, alive and well, then Jonah has exactly or even a greater power as even than Jesus. This simply destroys the unique ressurrection quality thye Christians have been raving about.

-"The waters compassed me about, even to the soul"
This is an expression of death.

Why then don't you call Jonah like Jesus, god then? Or matbe now you will call Jesus like Jonah ordinary human and a prophet!

Georgecso: Please dont waste my time with materials from these new age idiots. They amount to nothing. And truly, I hate typing.

@georgecso:

of Allah: Al-lat, Al-Uzza and Manat.’ The verses caused another storm within Islam because it showed rejection of monotheism in favor of polytheism. But Mohammed later returned to monotheism and subsequently received revelation of Allah’s ability to ‘abrogate’, that is, cancel a past revelation and replace it with a ‘similar’ or ‘better revelation’.

I clearly remembered that the Judeo-Christian "chosen people", the Jews even made an Idol which they worshipped as their god, and "golden calf" is what this is known by. The "chosen people" returned, then and again to worships of gods of this kind or another, throughout their message carrier time, before Jesus came and the "christians" became the message carrier.

Now, during the Jews period, even the people proclaim that King Solomon, the wise worshipped some gods.

Now lets get to Christians; you have your own idols; the crucibles or crosses, Jesus, The holy spirit and father. Of course, I dont wanna disappoint the Catholics who pay attention to "mother of god", Mary.

Now lets talk abot the Muslims. It is very clear that "the verses were rendered useless", immediately. I I can tell you that no one worshipped any of the so called "daughters". Infact, they were debased, along with all of the other idols in Kaaba and around Makka, the very moment Makka was opened and came under Islam.

Immediately, alLat, alManat, alUzza, were all broken and there is no relic of them in Makka or with any muslim, anywhere.

The idol worshippers, even today, while claiming to be monotheist are the "Christians!" And you know you can't escape that label, especially when you worship, or have a Father god, a Son god (it may just as well be Sun god with a helo on the head of some "picture", when we know when Camera was develpoed later, even after Muhammad (AS)), and a Holy Ghost god!

The ‘Satanic verses’ were not included in the text of the Koran

Please post the Satanic Verses, if you have them.

After Muhammed’s death; they were ‘abrogated’.

No one abrogated any verse that was recited during the life of Muhammad, after he died. Can anyone provide a proof?

‘The literature on the ‘Satanic verses’ is so vast that an entire volume could be written just on this one issue. Every general and Islamic reference work, Moslem or Western, deals with it as well as all the biographies of Mohammed.’…While Mohammed was trying to encourage the Jews to accept him as a prophet, Moslems prayed five times each day facing Jerusalem and also kept the Jewish Sabbath and other Jewish laws. When it became increasingly obvious that the Jews were not at all interested in becoming his disciples, the incensed prophet changed the direction of prayer by turning his back to Jerusalem and faced Mecca instead.

The "Jews" were not interested in Jesus, either, even though he was one of their own. Is the refusal of the Jews to follow a prophet the litmus of that prophet's truthfuness of purpose? The answer will be no, because if it is yes, it has totally renedered Christianity false and afftected Jesus as well.

Muhammad (AS) even showed great courage, since the Jews, as Children of Israel on the whole even discriminated against his progenitor, and their grant Uncle; Ismail (AS). I am asking myself how did the Jews ended up in Madina, rather than any other part of Arabia and Makka, prior to when Muhammad (AS) arrived, and never left, even when he arrived? What was their purpose of being Madina and why did they stay, if they had impostor in their mist? Was the reason they went to Madina was because their expected prophet was supposed to appear there, thinking he will be a son from amongst them, to liberate them, starting frommadina?

He also dropped the Jewish laws,

Which Jewish laws dropped, that were practiced before then?

and adopted the pagan Friday Sabbath in place of the Jewish Sabbath…

Did Christianity,uner Jesus followed "jewish sabbath?" And who did the Jews followed, because they were not the first to believe in One God. Noah for example believed and he was not a Jew. Now as for Islam, being the newest and latest of its form under Muhammad (AS), the finality of guidelines had to come and ratified under him. It is therefore not surprising that his "Islamic" system gradually and in time took a final form. By the way, Adam was created to fully alive human on Friday. And the day of Judgement will be Friday. I just want to throw these for your your need to know, so that you can see the Importance of Friday.

Muslem scholar and statesman Ali Dashti writes: ‘The historical evidence is crystal clear that Mohammed adopted the pagan religious rite of a pilgrimage to Mecca to worship at the Ka’abah in order to appease the Meccan merchants who made a tremendous amount of money out of these pilgrimages. Thus, for financial and cultural reasons, Islam adopted the pagan pilgrimage to Mecca…

Can this guy be called a muslim? Just bearing Ali and coming from the arabs and or Islamic family is not enough. If Islam was to break all idolatry ideas, can it be said that hajj is idolatry when Ibrahim himself started it, under the commandment of Allah? I could have responded to the monetary gains hypothesis, but I find it ridiculous, since Muhammad (AS) died extremely poor, in the face of such potential wealth!

The roots of Islam are buried in Arabia-in Mecca-in a square, stone building called the Ka’abah…In the Ka’abah, there were 360 jinn (genies-idols, angels and demons), one of whom was called Allah….’ ‘Allah is a purely Arabic term used in reference to an Arabian deity.’ ‘Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities.’ ‘Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Baal, were both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars.’ ‘In Arabia, the sun god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god…The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god.

And Muhammad (AS) cracked the "moon!" Do the christians crack Jesus, or holy ghost or father? Or have you seen a Buhddist smashed his box, before? The fact that Muhammad cracked the moon is enough that the moon was not an object of worship of the Muslims, except as discribed in the Qur'aan, as a borrower of light from a light source!

’ ‘Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called ‘the daughters of Allah.’ These three goddesses were called Al-lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat [of the ‘Satanic verses’].’ It was the Jewish refusal to accept Mohammed as their prophet that instigated the raw Islamic hatred against them…Allah subsequently commanded Mohammed to destroy all the other idols in the Ka’abah, and thus Allah, the moon god, became Allah, and Islam,‘absolute submission’, was born…The Middle East is the homeland of Islam. It is where Islam was born…

This is a pure waste of my time and energy. I find the whole story from these ignorant twarts and disbelieving goons amusing. Pathetic.

And in 1948, the Jews (whom Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, belittles in the Koran and urges his followers to kill) disposed Allah from a portion of his land…

If the Victory of the Jews is the ignominy of Islam, then 1948 was also a destarous year for Christianity. The funny thing is that Christianity has not even a leg to stand on in the "so called land of the Jews!" Noticed that the writer says it is "part" only. This brings about the remembrance of how Salaudin sacked the Crusaders, at long last. And before that, Masjid Aqsa dis not see any prayer for 99 years. Jews victory is only from 1948. A mere 61 years. Yet, the disgraced Muslims still have Aqsa, and the victorious Jews don't have a Temple built! Who has actually been disgraced here?

For this reason, 1948 became ‘the day of the greatest shame in the modern history of the Arabs.’ The ‘face’ of the Arab nation was ‘blackened’ with shame, as was the face of its god…No true Moslem can rest until Israel as a nation is obliterated, Allah, the god of Islam, has been dispossessed of a portion of his land, and his honor has been sullied, as has that of his ‘warriors’-Israel must be annihilated to restore that honor…

Islam extended beyond the arabs. Allah says in the Qur'aan; Al arab (the ignorant, uncouth among them) is a clear evildoer. Does Islam live or die by the existence of Arabs? The answer is no!

But I wonder what happened to the face of Jews, if it was blackened or not, when they were being defeated right and left by nations, including the people who took their Original things that Moses gave them (Ark of the covenant)? This haters of Islam are in the pits, man.

The Koran forbids the existence of the Jewish state,

Give me a single verse to proof this?

and there can be no peace in the Middle East while it exists…Mohammed, who all Moslems revere, said, as he was dying: ‘Never do two religions exist in Arabia.’…Mohammed, the founder of Islam, who taught his followers that: ‘A day and night of fighting on the frontier is better than a month of fasting and prayer.’…Mohammed’s teachings urged his followers on, and still initiates, statements like the one previously cited from the Moslem cabinet minister, that ‘Violence is the Moslem’s most positive form of prayer.’ ‘

Viotent over Salah?

Let the reader make no mistake; both the Jews and Christians are targeted for total annihilation,

This will be impossible, since the Christians will still have to be the ones to kill the Jews unless they convert to Christianity! You see how ridiculous the whole darn statement is?

unless they are willing to submit to Islam…Christians must heed what Moslems in the Middle East chant in their demonstrations: ‘First we will fight the Saturday people; then we will fight the Sunday people.’ ‘…In their holy war against the infidels of the Judeo-Christian faiths, they declare that they will first reckon with the ‘Saturday’ (that is, conquer the Jews Then ‘Sunday’ will succumb to the conquering hordes of the prophet and his god, Allah. Islam will thus triumph over the ‘Christian’ world.’ ”

I think the songs that the arabs are now singing is their effort to immitate the Christians in their "onward marching soldiers, !"

“Philistine”, by Ramon Bennett “In 1831 Alexis de Tocqueville, a young French aristocrat and ambitious civil servant, made a nine-month journey throughout America. The result was “Democracy in America,” a monumental study of the life and institutions of the evolving nation. Tocqueville looked to the flourishing democratic system in America as a possible model for post-revolutionary France, believing that the egalitarian ideals it enshrined reflected the spirit of the age and even divine will. His insightful work has become one of the most influential political texts ever written on America and an indispensable authority on democracy. ”Amazon.com (Democracy in America - Editorial Review by Isaac Kramnick) The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam
Alexis de Tocqueville on Islam: “I studied the Quran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so violence."

And when the jews were killing the peoples of the nations they encountered in their exodus, and even under their "kings', just imagine what the victims were saying? definitely, not heaping praises at the killers. Same condition when the Christians were conquering the nations of Africa and others around the world. is it not interesting that the only place that Chrsitianity of the west or even that of paul did not remain as a factor today or unable to conquer is the middle east the arabs, directly?

But let stop for a moment to look at the early Christians, since Muhammad (AS) is the archilles heel of you people. Jesus of the bible started out table turner at young age. At adult refused to answer hsi mother, and his people accused him of treachery, and he asked for the purchase of Swords.

Now tell me do we have a person who is meek here? It is no surprising that Muhammad (AS) followed good companies, in the personage of Moses and Jesus. But wait a minute; Didn't father Abraham fought wars, where in his victorious return, he was blessed by Melchesedek, the King of Salem?

You guys are a blast in your shortsightedness, in your quickness to malign Islam!

@Georgecso: « #19 on: Yesterday at 12:15:53 PM »

@ Alam-Tara and Olabowale

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YUSUFALI: Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Do you believe in Allah as your Lord God the Creator? If you do, you are muslim, and no more a Christian, Jew or sabian. This alone destroys the 3 persons god concept of christianity. It forces the jews to accept Jesus and Muhammad as Messengers and Prophets after Moses (AS). And it forces the Sabian to abandone their ealier belief, whatever it is in idolatry. Until you take Allah alone as your All in all, you are a darn disbeliever.

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YUSUFALI: Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered

See the above shows that you can not surrender to Jesus or holy spirit/ghost or father, but Allah alone. And that all prophets, Messengers are from Allah. When you take the latest as your Messenger and Prophet whose message you should follow, you have actually in reality accept all who came before him. Are you with Muhammad since you are living under his messengership? Those who were covered under Jesus' messengership were dead and gone before the prophethood of Muhammad hit them or their people and culture.

Many Muslims are self-opinionated and insincere in their attitude towards anything outside their religion.

Aren't you guity of the same offense?

They are willing to study books that point out alleged contradictions or errors in the Bible but they shut their minds and eyes from books and explanations from Christians that give answers and clarifications to their confusions contrary to the teaching of Quran.

Qur'aan says that you already have a corrupt and unpure Book. Is this not enough? Oka. Now tell me how do you explain it when Allah says that Jesus was not more than a mere human prophet. And don't you make your observation from the fact that Jesus and his mother Mary before and in need of all human activities, even they ask God for their "daily foods" in order to sustain themselves.

So in support of this I observed that after Jesus finished his fasting period, he became very hungry to the point that he angrily cursed a Fig tree that was not fruiting because it was not yet the season for it to fruit. Now, if Jesus was not wrongly angry that the tree did not have fruits for him to eat, then I wonder why curse such an innocent tree? Then the best miracle that could have been perforemed was to have immediately made the tree abundantly fruit ladened. Or just get food from heaven, right there and then. But what kind of a god that eats the same food like human? Should God be a food eater? What for? Should God be hungry, when he is the Actual provider of foods to His Creations?

On most occasions, their problem lies in their unwillingness to know the truth. At times they twist Bible verses that they don’t understand to suit their beliefs but they ignore the clear passages that contradict their belief and call them corrupted verses.

So explain to me what did Jesus mean by the inclusive statement: Your Lord and my God is but One Lord (Mark 12 verse 29). What did Jesus mean by :My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?

To answer your question firstly, Bro do you know what a met·a·phor is ?


1. implicit comparison: the use to describe somebody or something of a word or phrase that is not meant literally but by means of a vivid comparison expresses something about him, her, or it, e.g. saying that somebody is a snake
2. figurative language: all language that involves figures of speech or symbolism and does not literally represent real things
3. symbol: one thing used or considered to represent another

greorgcso, if I take the above into considerations, then nothing is left in the Bible for even you to say the 3 can not be applied to. You have simply told us that you do not have but a bunch of suggestive ideas, only.

NB: You will never ever understand the Holy Bible if u have a bias mind towards it. Your Knowledge & understanding has a limit.

The same exact thing applies to your viewpoint of the Qur'aan, too.

@Bindex: « #17 on: Yesterday at 02:52:14 AM »

Hasn't Islam been shamelessly lying to the world for the last 1600 years? See this deluded slave of a killer God calling the kettle black when his own beliefs are more nonsensical.

Ol boy, my man Bindex, you can't count at all. 1600 years will take Islam of Muhammad(AS) earlier than when it started by 200 years! I think you need to begin to reflect at your follies, because you put your foot in your mouth, too often.


@georgecso; « #18 on: Yesterday at 11:29:33 AM »

@ Alam-Tara and Olabowale

Salam Bros l know both of you are the Ahmad Deedat of Naija . I want both of you to honestly interpret the following verses for me and other nairalanders:

wa alaykum. May Allah make Ahmad Deedat (ra), a people of the highest level of Paradise. Amin.

1) Sura 2: 53 " And when We gave Moses the Book and the Discrimination that you might walk aright"

The Book given to Moses was pure in the hands and time of Moses (AS). It was uncorrupted because Moses was there to safeguard its veracity, purity. Thats one of the purposes of a Messenger/Prophet. The book's name is Taurah. And in it, you have discrimination paths as to good, which pious and obedient people should follow. Then there is the path of evils, which a true believer in the Power of God should avoid, because it will lead to ruin. If a person walked right by following Moses, at that time, definitely, the instruction of "passover" would avert the "calamity" of the grief that those who followed tyranical King Pharaoh suffered! This person should have walked right, the Book, the Uncorrupted Taurah made the "might walked aright" possible.

2) Sura 2: 62 "Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Days and does good, they have their reward with thier Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve"

Jews who believe by being muslim, are still Jews (children of Israel), ethnically. The Christians who abandoned Christianity as a religion for Islam, can still call themselves Christians because the believe in Christ, just like every person in their new religion, Islam. I have heard many muslims say that they are more Christian than those who "claim to be Christian; church goers and bible readers, because they are follow Paul." And the Sabians who left their religion for Islam, they are now Muslim. Inshort these people, because the two are referred to as "people of the books" and the sabians are not, so they are representative of the others; Hindus, Buhddists, etc.

All these people, the once upon a time, non mustims, but are now muslims, now belief in Allah (no more disbelievers because Allah is the Only God and Lord without any partners, and, since they now take the prophet (AS) as the last messenger/prophet, salah, zakah, Fast and Hajj), last day (with clarity that after death, there is still a recreation/resurrection and its purpose was for a judgement, on that day which is no doubt people will be Judged), and now that they are muslims are doing good, with a singular purpose; for the sake of Allah, who will reward them.

All of these new belief and actions and deeds will make their hearts be certain that they would not fear, as in regrets of "if only I had known," nor should they grieve, because of any punishment that the evil doers in their disbeliefs are suffering in Hell. These people who are believers, after their initial disbeliefs as Jews, Christians, Sabians will be rewarded with Paradise because they before death turned away from the evil of their earlier lives to the goodness of Islam before death, and it is on it that they died.

3) Sura 10:94 "If you were in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee (Alam-Tara & Olabowale), then ask those who have been reading the Book (Holy Bible) e.g Georgecso, Bindex, Ndipe etc before thee (Alam -Tara & Olabowale): The truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: So be in no wise of those in doubts"

This verse is in itself endict you, since Muhammad (as) a human being has the attitude of human, was told to confront the disbelievers, who are really hypocritical at best and ignorance anyway, with the truth of Qur'aan, and he will see what they will do. A good illustration of this is the verse in the Qur'aan and also in the Taurah about the punishment of adultery. The Jews took it that Muhammad (AS) who was unlettered can be fooled, so whatever he says, as they intended to deceive him, from unset will therefore be adopted as "new" but hoping to be a weaker "law."

So the prophet was brought a Taurah. He told them to read the portion about stoning to death, as the Mosaic Law calls for. Their reader read the part, with his hand covering the portion that actually mentioned the stoning. Except that Allah placed a man in the gathering who could read, as the prophet instructed that the initial reader removed his hand from what he had covered. The total reading and instruction was not hidden and understood by all.

Now let us read and explain the verse as you had put it forward: Allah strengthened Muhammad (AS) by telling him not to entertain any doubt about his new "revelations", since the Jews and Christians (thats what they like to be called today), had in their mists Messengers and prophets who used to receive revelations, they are very familiar with "receipt" of revealed Books; Taurah, Sabur and Injil. So go to them as a way to confront them with what is coming to you. If they are sincere and honest (like the sincerity and honesty of the King of Ethiopia when Surah Mariam was read to him; he weft knowing that it was the truth, he left Christianity, immediately since he knew that God should not be a helpless child, or child of no woman, virgin or not, etc), they will realise that you are without any doubt a Messenger and Prophet right there in their mist.

They will, those among them, who are lovers of truth, and wish to obey Allah their Lord and Cherisher, follow you in the religion of Islam. But we see that many, from generations, including you and others have dubiously refused to follow guidance, the tru revelation, instead clinging to the corrupted and should be abandoned earlier revelation. What is essential in them is right there in the Qur'aan, which is the greatest of truth. So, oh Muhammad (AS), the truth is from your Lord, Only (this alone kills all that Paul and co postulated in the Bible), and you have it. So doubt not or waiver not, even under pressure from all the enemies of this truth. Your Lord Allah will keep you strong in firmness of inner and outer wisdom.

Please answer the following questions:

1) Explain what the word " We" please to the best of your knowledge because l know it has limit.

The yoruba song comes to mind; Awa lagba. The awa there means we, yet a King or royalty or a person of means uses it to honor himself. It is called Majestic pronoun. I use it sometimes for my wife, when I want to excite her; Awa loko e. Se wa gboro siwa lenu. Baba e lawa for somebody a little excitingly younger.

2) Explain why Prophet Muhammad wrote the Word "Christians" in that verse

I have more verses if both of you can honestly answer those questions above.

Muhammad (AS) could not read or write. He didn't write it, but dictated it to the scribes to write down. However he memorized it before hand, and everyone, in his community memorized it and was in use. It is actually nasara, which means Christian. Muhammad did not speak English, because the English man was not in his community.

As to the Christians, the same issue is it, with the Jews; they were people of the books, because they had received revelations before the Qur'aan.

Arabs are from almost white to black. And "blacks" are from very "red" to almost black as charcoal. You have a lot to know about people man. In father's bloodline in Ijebuland, we have people who could barring their hair, and nose, etc, and not albinos, could pass for whites. My father (ra) was almost like that.

My mother's mom (ra), who was a Princess, was almost that red, too. And so were many of her royalty siblings. From my mom's paternal bloodline, at least its a 50/50.

Haven't you seen the Igbo people priding themselves about how "fair skinned" they are? Where have they been keeping you, that you don't know that?

And we see the residual result of "alcoholic consumption" in plainview. When Allah cautions man not to drink alcohol, the All Knower knows what "evil" it contains.

@McCrackles: The Man was just a muslim by name only. His performance of Hajj has had no impact on him. I think he and his gang more belong to your group. You should take him, McCrackles, because we do not want "Qamu Lut", which you call people of Soddom and Gomohrra. Islam is a religion that elevates humanity. Anything that lowers humanity is not from Islam. There is no room for homosexual acts. This is where this person and persons who call themselves Muslims should have practiced their Jihad (struggle) against the dehumanization act called homosexuality.

@earTHMama:

- Thousands of women would not have had their arms chopped off for appearing in public without a hijab.
- Hamas would not be declaring openly that some day the world will bow to Allahs will . . .(imposing islamic religion by force on the world)
- Islamists would not be pursuing the goal of overthrowing the world and converting the world into Islam.

Can you show us, Funmi, a woman whose arm is chopped of because of not wearing Hijab in the public?

Hamas is simply copying the Christians' "every knee shall bow" phrase.

Christians are doing the exact same thing. Take a look; at Afghanistan and Iraq for starter. I have youtube video that you can watch; The Christian missionary attrocities. Enjoy.

@Davidylan: Every black person have to be like midnight? Come on. Not all Black person is like charcoal or "seen only by the white teeth, that he/she flashes at night!

@Georgecso: You ignorant twart. Robert Spencer is a grandson of an Armenian Turkish man, who left Turkey, because of the Governance of the Turkey' Turks. Though the Turks are mostly muslims, can they be the true representatives of Islam, even when they were claiming orthodoxy, in the time of the Kalifah known under the name of name "Othoman Caliphate?"

If the answer is yes, then we should see that it is under this period, too that the Jews saw a continued freedom, without any repression. So did the Christians in the territory!

If the answer is no, then that is your answer. Now let me go to the list of silly opinions that Robert Spencer have passed for "true researched informations:"

My reference is the book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (And the Crusades) by Robert Spencer. “First basic fact: Muhammad ibn Abdallah ibn Abd al- Muttalib (570-632), the prophet of Islam, was a man of war.

And for fifty five years of his life, no one recorded that he ever raised his hand against him. Even though, Abu Sham, who later was nicknamed Abu Jahal and others abused him, in every which way possible. A man of war indeed, considering that he did not war against the woman who used to layout obsticles in his path, every morning, even as Madina became Islamic.

He taught his followers to fight for his new religion.

And we know how many muslims were killed in Makka, before Hijr to Madina. The muslims feared or their lives so much s, that they migrated to Abysennia, twice, before they finally went to Madina.

He said that their god, Allah, had commanded them totake up arms.” Pg 4

And when Allah commanded, should a messenger and or prophet say no?

Jesus Christ was in fact a man of peace.

My intention is not to bash "Jesus", son of Mariam (AS). But I must first state that "Commandment of God", Jesus of the Bible could never have said no to. Or did he? Lets thave a look; Was Jesus not commanded, according to the Christians, to be "sacrificed" for the sins of man? Did Jesus say no? I think Christian "God" was even more violent, since He sent His "begotten son" to be slaughtered mercilesssly, in a way that his soul could be "accursed!". Yet this death is senseless to me since it can not guarantee even the removal of the original sin from the Christians. And there is no guarantee that 100% of the christians will go to Christian heaven, because among the Christians there will be those "Jesus" will say that he does not know, even as they petition him, claiming that they did great miracles in his name!

Jesus never taught retaliation. Jesus never taught his followers tofight or go to war.

And "Dr. Spencer" conveniently forgot that Jesus overturned the Table of the Money Exchangers as a child. And as a preacher commanded his disciples to buy Swords from the sales of their "Cloaks", the few possessions that they had.

Jesus taught,“…if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also…” (Matthew 5:39).

Was it ever practiced? A commandment or recommendation that is absolutely impossible to keep. Is that a relevant thing? If a person commands me not to eat for days, will I obey him, especially when the pang of hunger is telling me that death is at the door way, if I don't eat? Crazy Robert Spencer is angry with Turkey, so he turned his sight on Islam!

Muhammad taught, “Therefore, when ye meet the unbeliever in fight, smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly on them: thereafter is the time for either generosity or ransom, until the war lays down its burden…But those who are slain in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.” (Qur’an 47:4)

What a beautiful injuction. Muslims, even then were given the decorum of war. If the Muslim God is wrong, then tell me about the Jewish or Children of Israel God, under Moses? This is a very good reason, that we can't take the words of the deceitful pundits, like Robert Spencer with more than a few grains of salt.

Jesus taught love and forgiveness and that his followers should be known by their love. Jesus taught that this world was not His kingdom, therefore, obey those who rule over you. Jesus taught, “Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use and persecute you” (Matthew 5:44)

Every Messenger and or Prophet (AS) taught love and forgiveness, and obedience to authorities in the societies that they live. Muhammad (AS) was the best of this very example. The muslims in America pay taxes, as well as pay Zakah and make sadaqah. Jesus (AS) was not unique in any of the things listed.

Unfortunately, the writer, Robert Spencer is so deluded that he failed to see where Jesyus himself cursed the doers of evil deeds, in his time, many times over.

Muhammad in contrast, “Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first?” (Qur’an 9:13) Muhammad taught his followers to fight, hate, torture and kill their enemies. “Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know.” (Qur’an 8:60)

I wonder if any society is attacked, first, will such a society not at least show displeasure and fight to retaliate in kind? There is no society that have lived to do otherwise. We will now look at the united States, the greatest symbol of Christianity. Regardless of its irreligiousity, the bulk of Christian worldwide ministrial work, is funded by funds from this shore, trying to convert "disbelievers" like me to take a three god in One concept. America has acted in truth on the side of the greatest of all messengers and or prophets, Muhammad (AS). America believed that Al Qaidah as guest of Taliban in Afghanistan attacked her, so she "followed the injuction of Qur'aan 9 :13. But they neglected the injuctions of what Jesus said in Matthew 5 :39.

But wait, why did she go to Iraq, whereby matthew 5 :39 will be irrelevant, and both Qur'aanic verses which do not talk about "preemptive strike" could have applied.

Truly the founders of Islam and Christianity were totally opposite in their teachings and in their lifestyles. The teachings and lifestyle of Jesus Christ are clearly based on the fruit of the Holy Spirit, defined in Galations 5:22-23, “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance…”

[b]Robert could have fooled me, if I did not know that Jesus, son of Mary in the Bible, was not meek, but really a product of his time. Proof; as a youth he caused mayhem to the Money Changers. And as an adult, he cursed his people and asked his supporters to buy swords. And as a product of his time, just was every messenger and prophets were, Jesus was in a community that was already liberated, earlier by so much wars under Moses, etc. But in his time, the bigger and more deadly rulers as invaders controlled his people. As he tried, he reasoned intelligently that it was detrimental to his well being to raise an army against the Romans, since he was not popular even among his own people, if you take into account of his followers, percentage wise, versus the 100% that followed Moses out of Egypt.

Meekness, temperance, peace, long suffering, gentleness, etc, none of the children of Israel surpassed John. Or can anyone point to anything that will destroy my statement about him, John, son of Zachariah (AS)?[/b]

“The Qur’an is a Book of War. There are over one hundred verses in the Qur’an that exhort believers to wage jihad against unbelievers.

Yet there are much love and forgiveness, repentance in this same book. It have over 6,000 verses and less than 200 of them expresses war? lets look at the percentile in this case 2/60 X 100 is 6.66%. Can this be called a Book of war? What happens to the 93.33% that is not about war? Is war not part of human life? How do we resolve it if there was no example from the past?

“When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly” (Qur’an 47:4). “O ye who believe! Fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him” (Qur’an 9:123). This warfare was to be directed against both those who rejected Islam and those who professed to be Muslims but did not hold to the fullness of the faith. “O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode isHell, an evil refuge indeed” (Qur’an 9:73)

The last US Administration must have had a good example from the Qur'aan, instead from the Bible! I think Bush and his gang were referred to as "people of faith," right?

Jihad is the highest duty of Muslims: “Do ye make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Sacred Mosque, equal to the pious service of those who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and strive with might and main in the cause of Allah [jihad fi sabil Allah]? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah: and Allah guides not those who do wrong. Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive with might and main, in Allah’s cause [jihad fi sabil Allah], with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah: they are the people who will achieve salvation” (Qur’an 9:19-20).

In fairnessto the ignorance of Robert Spencer, Shahada (declaration of faith in One God) is the highest duty of Muslims. A person can not take up "Jihad" without first declaring his faith. Otherwise, everything is for nothing.

In Islamic theology, 'jihad fi sabil Allah' refers specifically to taking up arms for Islam.” Pg 19-20

Not really. Jihad fi sabilillah, involves all actions that one takes for the pleasure of Allah to stop evil and advance good.

This teaching of Muhammad and the Qur'an was directed at what the West has classified as 'moderate Muslims'. We must understand that moderate Muslims are constantly being pressured into becoming serious Muslims who obey/follow the teachings of Muhammad and the Qur'an. “Paradise is guaranteed to those who “slay and are slain” for Allah: “Allah had purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden [of Paradise]: they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth” (Qur’an 9:111). One may attempt to spiritualize such verses, but there is no doubt from the historical record that Muhammad meant them literally.” Pg 2

[b]And before the "West" in human histrory, there were many civilizations and advanced societies. In each society, the actions and the presence of true belief are frowned upon. Jesus and his band of followers, were unpopular. And so were all the believers and prophets/messengers before him. Noah was another example. I can't but remind us all about the low popularity of Moses in the courts of Egypt and even among the people he was struggling to improve their conditions. Finally, paradise is not guaranteed to those who slay or slain, only. Muslims, on the whole, InshaAllah will enter paradise, as a group.

It is a misnomal to think that the muslims who died in other ways will not enter paradise. If there is no war, (harb) could there not be other reasons to continue to struggle/strive (jihad), even against your human nature to do evil, from your mind/heart? I struggle/strive against myself, daily. I warned myself not to do anything against islam, even in business dealing, whereby I could legally, based on societal laws make millions, in almost an instant.[/b]

Some Islamic and Western apologists would suggest that both the Qur’an and the Bible are equally violent and promote violence, but the facts relate that this is not the case. The Qur’an is a book calling believers in Allah to war and violence against infidels. An infidel is any person who is not a Muslim. The Qur’an calls all Muslims to war against the infidels universally and for every generation until Allah rules the world forever.

[b]Let talk about the christian Bible, first. I know that you wanna scurry like a rodent to the hole of New Testament. Moses (AS) was reported to be the greatest messenger and prophet that came from the Children of Israel. If he fought so much, and passed that very mindset to his successors, we must therefore believe that fighting was recommende and appropriate for those particular times, under those particular personalities; King David, whom Jesus have been dubiously associated to as his son. We must not forget King Solomon, either. And it was war that ended the unified "Israel" which broke into spinter nations of Judea and Israel.


Now lets talk about, New Testament, to your relief; please pay attention that Jesus and his group of believing followers used all the means that they had at their disposals. They had their mouth, while they lacked the will and means of means to take up arms, to face a rather formidable opponents; the rest of the populations and Rome, individually and or together. An authentic ahadith of the prophet Muhammad (AS) says that when you see evil; if you have the strength to fight it, do so with all your might. If you are weak not to raise up arms against it, fight it with your mouth by talking against it. If you are very weak to even do that, then at least hate it in your heart, because that is the least of belief you can practiced, in the face of great evil.


This ahadith rings through even today; when a person believes he is right and the others are wrong and has the almost absolute power at his disposal, he raises an arm against the evil perception; President Bush did that against Al Qaidah and its host Taliban in Afghanistan. Bush didn't stop there. He continued unopposed to Saddam Hussaine (ra) of Iraq, simply because he deemed himself right and powerful to do so.

In the case of just speaking against evil, if that thats what is available to you, we saw Cyndi Shehan doing just exactly that in the Summer of 2006, outside Crawford, Texas, against George Bush's action of war in Iraq. And I am sure that many of us hate something by our heart, even though we would have loved to talk about it, or forcefully change it. But we do not have the means of force and neither the means that is appropriate to talk about it.[/b]

In the New Testament Jesus Christ never calls his believers to physically fight and kill the unbelievers. The New Testament is not a book of war. In the Old Testament God commands the Hebrews to war against the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites (Deuteronomy 7:1-2; 20:10- 17; and Numbers 31:17-18). These were particular people at that specific time who were on the land that God gave to the Israelites.

Darn you Robert. God did not allow wars against any people, except that they are "disbelievers" of their days. And the prophet who led was always empowered by God. Jesus was not empowered to fight anybody, even though he commanded the purchase of "SWORDS" and showed the fiestiness of fighter even as a youth, when he overturned the table. This is the only reason he did not fight. Moses was not empowered to fight Pharaoh, so we saw no fight between he and Tyrannical Pharaoh. And God empowered Moses to fight those he fought.

Also, this was during the Old Testament time period and that commandment has now been finished for thousands of years.

We are no children "Professor." God of the old testament did not change when He came to New Testament era. Noah did not fight anybody. All he did was obey his Lord. Jesus did the same.

Nobody has ever had to fear the teachings of Jesus Christ

Of course the teaching of Jesus was feared by disbelievers. Afterall, the disbelievers will not have any pleasing rewards, at least in Jesus heavenly Kingdom. To suffer in this world is better than to suffer in the lake of fire of the christians. Or is it not?

or the Bible as they do not teach to kill your enemies or conquer the world by war.

Yet the Christians of today sign war songs. The Jews are petrified that they will someday meet their doom at the hands of the christians.

The Bible is not a book of war but of love, forgiveness and righteousness. “That’s one reason why Jews and Christians haven’t formed terror groups around the world that quote these Scriptures to justify killing civilian non-combatants.

Thank God for recent history. Jewish leaders; Prime Ministers bombed the "King David Hotel in Jerusalem to get rid of the british, the mandate holder of palestine. They even bobby trapped the body of the dead British soldiers.

By contrast, Osama bin Laden, who is only the most visible exponent of a terror network that extends from Indonesia to Nigeria and into Western Europe and the Americas, quotes the Qur’an copiously in his communiqués. In his 1996 “Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places,” he quotes suras 3:145;
47:4-6; 2:154; 9:14; 47:19; 8:72; and of course the notorious “Verse of the Sword,” sura 9:5. In 2003, on the first day of the Muslims holy celebration Eid al-Adha, the Feast of Sacrifice, he began a sermon: “Praise be to Allah who revealed the verse of the Sword to his servant and messenger [the Prophet Muhammed], in order to establish truth and abolish falsehood.”

[b]Robert must be daft to accept Osama bin Laden, as the "flagbearer of Islam!" The very verse dubbed "verse of the sword" spoke about repentance, prayerfulness, giving arms, good conduct and the fact that Allah is Oft-forgiving and Most Merciful. One needs to know the history of the pagans' open enemity towards the believers, the Muslims.

The very verse even cautioned the believers the time to and the time not to fight. Testing their will in obedience to the Will of Allah. Did the Jewish God not do that with the Children of Israel? And it is shocking that the writer, Robert spencer will be neively dishonest in his opinion by using Osama as the example of Muslim fighter. Allah cautioned the Muslims not fight in the state of division. He, the Almighty then commands the Muslims to let the knowledgeable remain along with many others, young and even matured who should not fight for whatever reason, so that knowledge and progress can remain in the community. In all the wars (harb) that the muslims undertook, they were under "accepted leaders" as a unified community. Are the muslims unified and under a singly leadership, presently?[/b]

Of course, the devil can quote Scripture for his own purpose, but Osama’s use of these and other passages in his messages is consistent…with traditional Islamic understanding of the Qur’an.

[b]For this statement to be accurate, there should never be a period in the history of Islam that the muslims existed in peace, side by side with non-muslims. If we find that there was a time Islam did not wage wars (harb) against any non-muslims, then Roberts argument have clearly and totally falls flat. I do call to accounts the period of peace in Andalusia of spain. This is over 700 years, of the 1400 years of Islam. Thats at least 50% right there. The other place we need to look at was India. Islam ruled for close to 800 years, where the subjects consisted of Hindus, Sikhs and Buhhdists. Shall we look at the middleeast, itself? After the first century or so of Islam, there was no war or chaos until the Zionists came to palestine. The peace in the middleeast must have been for at least 1000 years. Even under Ottoman empire, others who were not muslims lived in relative peace with the muslims.

What we find in each case is that Christianity through its many devices of thiefery, Colonialization, Christianization shattered the peace, how ever it was held together.[/b]

Modern-day Jews and Christians read their Bibles, they simply don’t interpret the passages cited as exhorting them to violent actions against unbelievers. This is due to the influence of centuries of interpretative traditions that have moved away from literalism regarding these passages.

Rob has outdone himself. At least he told us that his religion has moved away in instances where War was prescribed, to a non original scriptural commandments. Well, what you practiced then is fakery.

But in Islam, there is no comparable interpretative traditions. The jihad passages in the Qur’an are anything but a dead letter.

Since the Qur'aan is the last of all revelations, should there be any reason for "new age understanding?" Shall any muslim try to better the "last Messenger and Prophet (AS), who is the only one for all mankind, without any discriminations?" But wait, Robert. The prophet (AS), did not fight at everytime he need to fight. Nor did he fight just because anyone say something terribel to him. All his harb was because his Lord ordered it. And he and his followers waged jihad against themselves, knowns as jihad fi nafs. It is also fi sabibilillah

In Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and elsewhere, a key recruiting ground for jihad terrorist groups is the Islamic school:

How I had wished that Saudi and Pakistan are truly Islamic. I could have defended them. But even me have major differences with them. There treatments of women and those who are not powerful and come from families with major influence.

The students learn that the must wage jihad warfare, and then these groups give them the opportunity.” Pg 31-32 “The Qur’an is clear enough about the warfare that Muslims must wage against unbelievers, but it lacks overall clarity.

And I have met many people who graduated from schools from these locations who have no single gripe with any society. They live and strive (struggle; jihad) against their own evil thoughts. Such a jihad is guarding yourself against illicit sexual acts. Another is discrimination. There are still many more. Are these not great virtues?

In its entirety, the Qur’an is a monologue: Allah is the only speaker (with a few notable exceptions),

Could Robert tell us where the "few notable exceptions are?" And who are the speaker(s) Liar Robert?[b]


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and with no particular concern for narrative continuity, he speaks with Muhammad about variousevents in the Prophet’s life and about the earlier Muslim prophets…That makes reading the Qur’an somewhat like walking in on a private conversation between two unknown people:

Robert carries under his breast, an underdeveloped heart. I remembered Forrest Gump, the movie. The narrator knew what it is. So was the listerner. The listener is forced to bring about in his mind, the actual live situation of what he hears. Islam is for matured mind and people with complete conviction that God the Creator is not a created being. He is the Knower, The always alive and the One Who has Power over all things.

It’s confusing, disorienting, and ultimately incomprehensible.

Robert has not disappointed me, yet. For us, in Islam, we know the messeges and there is no confusion, disorientation, and incomprehensibility in our understanding. However for a heart that is void of Faith, there will always be all of the above. Allah says, they go about not seeing and not hearing.

That’s where the Hadith, the traditions of Muhammad, enter. The Hadith are volumes upon volumes of stories of Muhammad in which he (and sometimes his followers) explains how and in what situations various verses of the Qur’an came to him, pronounces on disputed questions, and leads by example.

If I had been in position to revoke this guy's Ph. D., I will not hesitate for a very simple reason; he said the Qur'aan contained words from others, except what Allah "Commands, in speech". He also said that the ahadith contains explanations except what Muhammad (AS), alone said! Liar, I said.

In a very few number of 'ahadith' (the plural of hadith), Muhammad quotes words of Allah that do not appear in the Qur’an; these are known as the hadith qudsi, or holy hadith, and Muslims consider them to be just as much the revealed Word of Allah as the Qur’an itself-and often the Qur’anic text is simply incomprehensible without them.

[b]Qur'aan is complete. Ahadiths are only explanations. Qur'aan stands on its own.

The focus of many ahadith, not surprisingly is war.” Pg 33 “, there is no mistaking the centrality of violent jihad in Islam…the Prophet of Islam repeatedly emphasized that there was nothing better his followers could do than engage in jihad warfare.

Ahadith has many divisions and topics. War (harb) is a small part of it. Just like in the Qur'aanic, too.

When a Muslim asked him to name the “best deed” one could do, besides the act of becoming a Muslim, the Prophet responded, “To participate in jihad (holy fighting) in Allah’s Cause.” He explained that “to guard Muslims from infidels in Allah’s Cause for one day is better than the world and whatever is on its surface.” For “a journey undertaken for jihad in the evening or morning merits a reward better than the world and all that is in it.”

There were many times that the prophet (AS) was asked about the "best deeds" and Jihad (struggle) or Harb (war) was not the answer he gave. A man was excused in a war because he still had "parents!"

, Muhammad also warned that Muslims who did not engage in jihad would be punished: “Muhammad was firm about the necessity of jihad not only for himself personally, but for every Muslim. He warned believers that “he who does not join the warlike expedition (jihad), or equip, or looks well after a warrior’s family when he is away, will be smitten by Allah with a sudden calamity.”

For the umpty time, Robert, Jihad is not war, but struggle. Harb is war! You must have learn your arab from a donkey, for a carmel would have been a better teacher

Pg 34 There are people who say that Islam is tolerant and peaceful, but the reality is just not true. Islam is definitely not a peaceful religion unless a person converts and becomes a Muslim. Neither is Islam a tolerant religion as the West would understand tolerance.

I wonder if Islam was not peaceful, when it had the "power", could any non-muslim survived in say the middle east, to even a single soul? Should have been any who is not a muslim in Arab land after Islam gained power? The Qur'aan testified against Robert by many verses. Allah says that there is no compulsion in religion. In many verses the disbelievers were mentioned. Emphasis were made as to indicate them as idolworshippers and the people of the books were not forgotten, along with the hypocrites among the muslims.

“In one key hadith, Muhammad delineates three choices that Muslims are to offer to non-Muslims, conversion, subjugation (pay the jizya, the poll-tax on non-Muslims), which…“is the cornerstone of an entire system of humiliating regulations that institutionalize inferior status for non-Muslims in Islamic law”, or death.

I want to know where death was a mentioned "choice!" Please somebody should ask Robert Spencer to educate us, because if death was any of the choices, I guess it would have been purposeless to have Jizya! By the way Muslims are supposed to pay two types of Zakah; fitri and maal, in addition to voluntary year round charitability called sadaqah.

These teachings are not marginal doctrines or historical relics-they are still taught in mainstream Islam.” Pg 35, 37 “Politically Correct Myth: Islam is a religion of peace that has been hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists. This, of course, is the mother of all PC myths about Islam.

Actually the mother of all pc and computer pc myth, is your lie against Islam. How about you telling us who spoke in the Qur'aan except what Allah Himself permitted, or which of the things can pass as ahadith, except what Muhammad (AS) permitted, or where did you get your 3 options of convertion, payment of special tax called Jizya or "death"?

Yet its persistence and resilience in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary, both from Islamic theology and today’s newspapers, is not simply due to naïve multiculturalism and cynical duplicity. Even the Muslim Brotherhood theorist Sayyid Qutb, one of the twentieth century’s foremost advocates of violent jihad, taught (without a trace of irony) that Islam is a religion of peace.

Sayyid Qutb (ra), for me is not the all time example of Islam. Muhammad (AS) himself is. So were his companions. So were the followers of his companions. And so were the followers of the followers of his companions. End of story. From these three generations and the chairman himself (AS), there you have my models.

However, he had a very specific kind of peace in mind: “When Islam strives for peace, its objective is not that superficial peace which requires that only that part of the earth where the followers of Islam are residing remain secure”…In other words, Islam is a religion of the peace that will come when everyone is Muslim or at least subject to the Islamic state.

I am reminded of how the coptic christians wrote to Umar bin Khattab (RA) to help them against the injustices of the Roman catholic upon them. Was this a group leader of the unjust people? I am also reminded of the Christians' worship in Madina, in the masjid of the prophet himself. I am finally reminded of his kindness and wholesale amnesty of forgiveness on Makkans, the people who had tormented him and his followers for so long. They killed his favored Uncle Hamzah, and carved out his heart which a woman ate raw. Think about it, Robert. Ethnic Turks ran your grandfather out of Turkey, you haven't forgiven them, even now that you are in relative ease in USA. Turks harshness have benefitted you and your father and even your bitter grandfather.

And to establish that peace, Muslims must wage war.” Pg 42 In the United States and other countries, there are those we classify as moderate Muslims that do coexist with their non-Muslim neighbors. The reality is that this takes place because these moderate Muslims simply ignore the clear teachings of their faith, but history proves to all of us that those teachings can be remembered at any time. The reason why we are not defeating the terrorists is because moderate Muslims are becoming serious about their faith and starting to obey the Qur’an, which is a book of war against the infidels.

This dude is a clown. Even worse than my boy, davidylan. How can those people who ignore a verse, can remember it at any time? It is not possible to "remember" something unless, you had forgotten it. And those who ignored a verse in the Qur'aan lack faith, or knowledge or both. The word "infidels' was first used in Timothy Book of the Bible.

Islam is a religion of war and a religion of intolerance.

Liar Robert Spencer, please tell us the wars and intolerance, while I educate you on the wars and intolerance of Jews and Christians, even to this day. Look around, you stupid. It is overwhelming.

“The Crusades were not acts of unprovoked aggression by Europe against the Islamic world, but were a delayed response to centuries of Muslim aggression, which grew fiercer than ever in the eleventh century. These were wars for the recapture of Christian lands and the defense of Christians, not religious imperialism.

I now realised where Olaadegbu have been doing his "islamic bashing shopping!" Omoya, Robert Spencer Oo lori!" The darn fool has Ph. D. from Temle, in North Caroline. Thats just all. he can't think outside the box. If he could he would not have said other entities spoke in Qur'aan, not being Allah's words. This alone, kills all the graymatters in his brain.

The Crusades were not called in order to convert Muslims or anyone to Christianity by force.” Pg 121 No, on the contrary, it was the Muslims who had stoked the fires of millennial hostility by conquering two-thirds of what had been Christian lands centuries before the first Crusades ever began.

I wonderwhich was "Christian land befoer crusade, and which still remained Christian land, now? Where in Middle east can anyone say that belongs to the Christians?

He threatened the neighboring non-Muslims with his threat to “embrace Islam and you will be safe.”

Is "embrace islamand you will be safe" carries a tone of threat, except a matter of factly? Does Jesus saves and or does do not unyoke with the disbeliever or Jesus is lord or every knee shall bow carry less threat or they are statements of facts, from prolythesizing perspective?

As already been explained, Muhammad and his Qur’an dictates war for infidels and one has to convert to Islam, pay taxes, or die. “The conquest of Jerusalem in 638 stood at the beginning of centuries of Muslim aggression,

I will love some bold christian or Jew to provide that verse in the Qur'aan where it is stated that "convert to Islam or pay taxes or die." We see that Robert gave verses where convenient. But in the convert or pay taxes or die argument, there is no verse.

I also wonder if you kill the person you intend to humiliate by his paying taxes, why ask for taxes, in the first place? I almost feel that Robert is telling us the taxpayers of USA citizenry that we are being humiliated. Is that what you mean slimy mouthed Pinocchio? I have seen him before. He truly does have slimy mouth.

and Christians in the Holy Land faced an escalating spiral of persecution. A few examples: Early in the eighth century, sixty Christian pilgrims from Amorium were crucified; around the same time, the Muslim governor of Caesarea seized a group of pilgrims from Iconium and had them all executed as spies except for a small number who converted to Islam; and Muslims demanded and ransack the Church of the Resurrection if they didn’t pay.

Robert you forgot Umar bin Kattab's honoring and respecting the Christian patriach of Jerusalem, by refusing to make Salah in the same church, so that future muslims would not think that they can convert the Church to Masjid. You forgot the letters of muhammad (AS) to the Christian monks, giving them and their people full unfettered protections.

Later in the eighth century, a Muslim ruler banned displays of the cross in Jerusalem.

Robert, I have news for you. The Jews of zionsit Israel are doing exact same thing! So what are you going to do about it? I guess your overall view that "jews" are peaceful have been compromised!

He also increased the antireligious tax (jizya) that Christians had to pay

Where is the "killing" if they can't pay taxes, and yet did not convert under "forceful conversion?"

and forbade Christians to engage in religious instruction of others, even their own children.

Could others have been your own children? Not really. If this had happened, Christianity would have dwendled to nothingness. I noticed that Robert is not talking about the Jews "suffering" under the muslims, since the Jews have obviously prospered at this very time, under the muslims.

Brutal subordination and violence became the rules of the day for Christians in the Holy Land. In 772, the caliph al Mansur ordered the hands of Christians and Jews in Jerusalem to be stamped with a distinctive symbol. Conversions to Christianity were dealt with particularly harshly. In 789, Muslims beheaded a monk who converted from Islam and plundered the Bethlehem monastery of Saint Theodosius, killing many more monks. Other monasteries in the region suffered the same fate. Early in the ninth century, the persecution grew so severe that large numbers of Christians fled to Constantinople and other Christian cities.

The same Constantinople in Turkey is now Islamic. Robert where is your conscience?

More persecution in 923 saw additional churches destroyed, and in 937, Muslims went on a Palm Sunday rampage in Jerusalem, plundering and destroying the Church of Calvary and the Church of the Resurrection. In reaction to this persecution of Christians, the Byzantines moved from a defensive policy toward the Muslims to the offensive position of trying to recapture some of their lost territories…

Where is a Christian land in Middleeast, today? By the way, systemic killing of wiping out a group of people, is called genocide. In that genocidial mindset, holocaust was practiced not by muslims, but by a person who puts on a cross, a european!

In Islamic theology, if any land has ever belonged to the House of Islam, it belongs forever-and Muslims must wage war to regain control over it.” Pg 122, 123. Islam does not care that the Christian lands were not originally theirs, and that they took them by force. The Crusades temporarily stopped the aggression and invasion of Christian people and lands, but today Islam is spreading throughout the world faster than ever, with Europe on the verge of becoming Islamic. The sad, scary and dangerous reality about this is that the West has no clue how to stop this Islamic invasion and conquering of lands, people, and freedoms that were once enjoyed. The world thinks that by appeasing Islam they can persuade Muslims to vote for them and become a more Western value oriented religion.

A good number of muslims are from the west, Robert. They will disagree with you. Many are young and very educated. Their thought is completely different from yours.

The truth is this can never be accomplished, because Muhammad, the founder of Islam, and his holy book the Qur’an, call for 'jihad' until all the world is under Islamic control.

Has Robert heard or seen on Youtube the "Christian missionary attrocities?"

Then and only then can peace be achieved. The world must either convert to Islam, be subjugated or die.

And Jews awaits the convert to Christianity or die, as the last main-events.

This is what Muhammad and the Qur’an classify as peace. What every person and country who loves freedom needs to understand is that a Muslim is first loyal to Muhammad, Allah and the Qur’an,

This man must be a wicked soul. The One all Muslims are loyal to is allah. Muhammad is a muslim. Qur'an is the uncreated book of Allah. Muhammad is also loyal to it.

not the country in which they live, unless it is under Islamic law. “Not only does Islam command warfare against unbelievers and their subjugation under Islamic rule; it also…sanctions lying, stealing, and killing in order to advance Islam.” Pg 79

The country and its citizenry are subjects to Allah. What are the examples of the lying, stealing and killings above?

Below are some excerpts from the book, “Philistine” by Ramon Bennett: ‘During the 1991 Gulf War against Iraq, a survey was taken of Arab-American Moslems living in the United States, and there results were startling for those that conducted the survey. They reported that a staggering 82 percent said they would not fight nor would they allow their sons or daughters to fight for the United States in the war…

David, look at the title of the Book; Philistine. Does it mean anything today? Palestine rings a bell? By the way, Robert, Muhammad Ali did not fight for USA in Vietnam war.

On the day that Arafat signed the agreement on the White House lawn-on the very day-he made an address to the Palestinian Arabs on Jordan TV in which he said interalia: ‘Since we cannot defeat Israel in war we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.’ …Arafat’s concept of peace is the same as that of Mohammed and Saladin… ‘Peace for us means the destruction of Israel. We are preparing for an all-out war which will last for generations, The PLO offers not the peace of the weak, but the peace of Saladin.’

I wished Arafat (ra) had been a good muslim man. He would not have put the Palestinian funds in care of a Jewish financial management team. And he would not have married a Christian, while ignoring Muslim Palestinian women.

Saladin was the great Moslem warrior of the 12th century. His capture of Jerusalem in 1187 sparked the Third Crusade. But Saladin is also ‘famous’ for the ‘peace’ which he made with the Crusaders, before he attacked with ferocity and drove the Crusaders from the Holy Land.

I am so glad that Salaudin left such a pain in your heart. In way, there is what strategem of war. Salaudin was a master of that.

It was Mohammed himself who laid the foundation for Islam to build a history of making peace with an enemy in order to attack at a later, more opportune time. In 628 Mohammed made a ‘peace Two years later, when he had gained more followers and was considerably stronger, he abrogated the treaty and attacked the Kuraish people, slaughtering every male among them. This agreement between Mohammed and the infidels of Mecca is known as the ‘Truce of Hudaybiyyah.’ ‘

This guy knows nothing about the history of Islam, under Muhammad (AS). The treaty of Hudaybiyyah allowed Muhammad and the Muslims to concentrate their efforts against others. In the Fathi of Makka, there was no single blood shed and no soul was lost, because there was fight/combat/battle. Unless there were other places where there were Quraish tribes other than Makka, the Makkan Quraish did not lose a soul when Muslims opened Makka.

This truce became a model and a precedent in Islamic law for all agreements with infidels: never permanent…” Ladies and Gentlemen: We are in serious trouble today, not only in the United States of America, but throughout the world.
Islam is sweeping nation after nation.

Can anyone tell us which nation was swept in the last 50 years by Islam? Liar you are Rob!

I believe this is because society does not understand the true nature of this religion. The“politically correct” propaganda machine is both ignorantly and deliberately lying to the nations that Islam is a peaceful religion. Yet in reality, the very core doctrine of Islam is to rule the world, by force if necessary.

Is the agenda of Christianity any less? Consider that Jesus was considered the savior of the world, it is no wonder that the soldiers of jesus are today invading non-christian lands, to Christianize it.

What the West classifies as radicals, are really just Muslims that are actually following their faith. (to be continued) -May God help us all! Concerned, Dr. Jonathan Hansen

What I have seen throughout this piece from Robert Spencer and the exegese from Jonathan hansen is nothing short of mud throwing. It did not work with me. How can a wormout called a new pot black?[/quote]

@Davidylan: « #2 on: Today at 12:04:57 AM »

That's false. Hindus are still "growing", Osun worshippers will not disappear anytime soon, the church if scientology has sprung up, atheism is infact growing rapidly in the WEST . . . which of these is the "truth" that can never die?

And you forgot to add protestant sect of Christianity. The Catholics and those who call themselves orthodox in your "religion" feel this way. And you forgot, again, to add Christianity as a whole, because the Jews feel exactly the same about your religion. Or maybe you should have added Judaism, since you can feel that they are on the "right path". Otherwise, then you must be a "f--l" to abandone truth for fallacy. The last I check, about Christianity, many of you are claiming, by your schemes that Jews are converting to Christianity. And we must not forget the 6 Millions claimed to have converted out of Islam in Africaevery year. I think it is happening in Subsahara Africa, since the north Africans are still heavilty Muslims. And I am wondering how soon "Islam will be extinct" in Subsahara Africa? Shio, to David. This is in a loving way. I didn't spit, yet, because I still love you.

Demographic advantages as a result of multiple partners in a marriage shld not be synonymous with "growth".

The man who is always in heat and needs to be neutered, if not married soon, is complaining about the very thing his heart covets. Stop fronting, man.

@Bindex: « #8 on: Today at 09:16:41 PM »  

@ Alam-Tara

Did prophet Mohammed ascend into heaven(to enjoy his share of the heavenly virgins) at the site of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem (Al-Aqsa Mosque)? Deluded slave of Allah.

The Virgins: not yet. Isa bin Mariam and Asiah, the wife of Fir'awn are going to be part of the wives of the Messenger and Prophet (AS). Mariam never had a husband. Asiah, as a believer needs a believer. Muhammad (AS) is the best of men. He should get the best of women, who are not related to him.


@dalaman: Our Isa bin Mariam, binta Imran, ukti Harun (AS), did not die. Rather, he was protected from dying by crucifixion. But your Jesus which you worship, was a man born, along with the mess of after birth,, , and died afterward. Is a one that succumbed to death worthy of being worship?

You sir, (Bindex), gets nothing. No reprieve in hell. You better come back home, man.

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@ alam- tara


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As Jonas was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale , .

You are the funniest mammal l have ever come across. Look u were not in the belly of the shark with Jonah. I sorry Bro it seems your English is impaired ( Don't take it as an insult pls)

Please Answer these questions:-
1 - How did Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) died ? ( I want a reference from the Quran)

There is no reference of how he died in the Qur'aan, except that he will died like every human, messenger and or prophet. It simply shows that you have not read the Qur'aan before. Or maybe you will show us from the Qur'aan of how he died (AS)!

2 - How sure are u that he is in Aljana? ( I want a reference from the Quran)

I am sure that he is destined for Al Jannah, without ever being in Al Naar! Now tell us he is not going to Al Jannah! But wait, Surah Fajr's last verse speaks about the believer's going/entering Al Jannah. Please, read it and all other verses that talks about the Paradise, the Garden. You can get it from Surah Kahf and many others, including Mariam.

I just want you to know ok pls don't take offence.

No offense taking.