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Muslims dont pray towards the east or west or north or south. Rather Muslims pray toward Kaaba; their Qiblah dear to the heart of Muhammad (AS) by Allah's design.

Proof of this structure as the structure that Muslim must pray towards, you have to see what people are doing in the Mosque which hused this structure the Kaaba.Everyone in that Mosque, Haram prays facing this structure. Everyone in larger Makka Metropolitan prays towards the Mosque in the process of praying towards Kaaba. Everyone in Surrounding towns and cities and villages prays facing Makka. Everyone in that region and worldwide prays towards the general direction of Makka, hence Masjid Haram, hence specifically Kaaba.

If you are on the west side of Saudi Arabia, Makka, Masjid Haram, Kaaba, you face the east. If you are in the East, you face the West, if you are in the North, you face South, if you are in South, you face North, whereever you are you face that structure; Kaaba. Adam faced it; the soil and site existed beoire him. Noah faced it. So did Ibrahim who rebuilt it, after the flood of Noah with the help of his son Ismail. Ibrahim still has a station where two Rakah are made by those who make hajj and umrah.


@georgecso: The Kaaba is empty, inside and out. Nothing in it. There are many Youtube videos showing the inside. Obviously the outside is empty.

@$Ossi: Did you also read in Chapter 5, where Allah says Islam have been chosen for mankind and any other religion that anybody dies on, it will be rejected from him/her on that day where nothing else matters, except Allah's decision, as the Judge, Jury and Executioner? My dear, read it again and act accordingly.

Oh, the food of the "people of the Books" involves proper killings of animal(s), and not executing or eletricuting them. The blood have to be drained through the jugular veins. The foods allowed on the muslims from the people of the Books does not include pig meat, or process garbages of Swine and roadkills, and others, called Pork sausages, Bacons, or hot dogs, salamis, Kibasas,etc.

The same me "Slave" Todak will say "Egbon or Sir" to, just because he is a "Yoruba man. Yet his Yorubaness or even my Yorubaness will not lead me to Paradise or Hellfire. What will make me to Paradise or Hell is my worship or not worship Allah as He commands in the Quran. Todak, Omo Oba, am waiting to hear from you.

And by the way my late father's name is Hamzah, the same name of the Uncle of the Prophet who was killed in the Battle of Uhud, and his heart and livers were ate raw by the Pagan Makkans.

@Bawomolo: Since you will not answer the questions about what and when will man emergy to, something else different in look and structure from man, or when or how did female emergy from male or male from female if it was the earlier gender, and other primary "creation" foundamental facts, because the proofs are with us, everyday presently, iI will like you  to answer this;

Can or have you seen from the cattle family; say Goat male and female producing from their fertilized union, ram or sheep or cow? If this is not something you have seen, since no cow or ram or sheep genetic production material have participated in the making of the fetus, know that evolution is an innovation fluke! In the long run, the proponent of such ackward argument will lose out, and their idea will be awashed and discarded.

Allah says that the offspring is like their parents. No Mango tree, without grafting can produce say cashew or guava fruits. And the mango seed, if planted can never germinate to become any other seedling and finally a productive tree or otherwise. The only seedling and tree it will become is what the seed was in the first place, mango.

All of this is to show that the Creator produces by creation specific things, separate and different from one another, regardless of how basically similar they are in grouping. What can be consider evolution if at all is the developmental stages, from its sexual conception action all the way to its death. Even that is different within the group's many different specific "creation." What I mean here is that humans can live as long as few hundrend of years, at best now. But no Dog can live up to say 80 years, since one dog year is about 7 for man. Figure it out, my man.

For example, Monkeys have different gestation period(s) from that of Oranguntan(s), and they are different from that of humans, which has the same because of the fact that they are humans, regardless of their skin colors, since you spoke about Black and White colors as part of your evolution argument! The lifespan of each specific specie is very similar to it specific group, regardless of color and body mass. At least it is clear that all humans agree that they are humans, regardless of color spectrum.


By the way, did you enjoy my idea that since I am darker than my late father (ra), he probably evolved from me, since you argued that white people came from Black people? But I wonder why he died many decades ago, yet darker people whom he came from even me his child are still very much alive? Let me argue for the creation of people, colors and hues differentiations; We all came from Adam, the first to be created, of man, and not evolved from other pimates, because Quran indicates and Hadith explained that Adam was created last, actually indicating that all other primates were already on earth before then. Then God created a woman for him, from part of his very flesh and bone and blood, a wife named Eve. Both were created in heaven, not in paradise or earthly Garden of Eden, that the Jews and christians claim to be in present day Iraq. (Where is the very spot people? And where is the tree that they ate from?).

From Islamic understandings, Adam  and his wife Eve were ordered down to earth to live, after the incidence with the tree, which they have been warned not to even come close to. In the plan of Allah, this was made possible since the Paradise and Hellfire were already created and Satan as Isblis already existed, even before Allah announced the creation of Adam. Now when this couple desended to earth, they began to have children. 41 in total, where 40 survived them, since one was killed by hi brother Kabila (Cain). Do you not see how the 40 children could have a varied hues of color? And if you find it impossible, how about the next generations, and the next, differences in height, body structures, and of course genders? Afterall, the same earth where teir materials of creation were taken from have different colors, and corseness/grainsize and shapes of soil and sweetness and saltiness of water, with varied temperatures. Based on all of these, can you not see how noses, eyes, mouth, teeth, and other beautiful acutremens in people and their personality could be different?

How is your evolution argument valid, except you are trying to force us to accept it, without a single aota of truth, except lack of knowledge or refusal of what is actually the fact; creation?

If you still doubt this classic reality, look into your own family. I am sure not everyone looks like everyone else. My children are very different in look, yet they have the same father and mother. And I look different from my siblings from my father and mother. While I look like my mother, who looked like her father, my sister of course is a woman who looked like my father. See?. Truth is one version and not many. You don't have to shift the post, when you speak the truth. And it is very easy to defend the truth. The argument for the truth is very clear. You cant say the same for falsehood; evolution in this case. The "missing link or the link" does not give a clue about what it was before or what emerged from it? Do you see any material evidence that we can see with our eyes? Where is the half man (50% complete maybe upper portion or lower portion) and half ape (50% remaining to change to man, maybe or upper portion/torso or lower portion/torso)?

@Todak: I wonder if you consider Moses and the many wars he led, before you tried by your above statements, to define who is a "true Prophet?"

The killings, of people who were Egyptians and non-Egyptians and even from Children of Israel, by your poor definition would disqualify him of any "Prophethood!" Yet, your Bible recorded that he spoke to God directly without anybody relating their voices/words to each other. This will proof you wrong, since God spoke to him throughout, from the burning bush up to his death. It was God, according to your claim who personally buried him in the soil. You spoke as if you were there or that the Bible gave plausible opinion or explanation of the event, yet you contracdicted yourself with your writing above that raised doubts about his Prophetic office! Did you forget that he was given a book know as the Old Testament, whch Jesus your lord (a statement of your own but not that of Jesus) did not come to abolish but Fulflled/used it to conduct his own life.

Did you for get about father Abraham and his war? At least one while returning from it, Melchezedek king of Salem prayed for him? What about King David who you attach your god Jesus as his son? Or what about Solomon the wise who God gave all kinds of special preveleges, that Jesus did not have?

Or did Jesus understood the languages of animals and able to dialogue with them? Or did he have authority over the genies or the winds, and able to control them, while Solomon did? Even under Solomon, the nations of the children of Israel remain a single entity. Not too many Children of Israel believed in Jesus or his authority, hence their nations remained divided to Judea and Israel. They did not believe him even to be a prophet, the very reason they did not follow him, then, and now, they have not changed their collective tune about him.

God did not say that He will condemn Solomon to the fire because of the 700 wives and 300 concubines. I asked you to give a single name of Allah's messenger (AS) concubine or sexual slave, you gave the Jewish girl from the nobility of Khaibar. You forgot that she wore a nikab when she came out, the very sign that she was a wife and already married to the prophet!

I wonder if you know that Allah is Sufficient on the affairs of Muhammad. It is Allah alone that is the Witness, the same sufficient Witness for the marriage of Adam and Eve!


By the way it is Muhammad's life that I emulate. This is why I am a father, a husband, a son, a brother, a nephew, an uncle, a cousin, a friend and a good neighbor among other identifications.

And please tell me the sin of Muhammad. Just one. I wonder if killing an innocent tree will not qualify as a sin, or the unforgiving spirit towards a thief who spoke out of ignorance, or frustration because he was about to be crucified? I will wait until you speak about "Satan" before I touch up on the 3 Satantic temptaions. I wonder if Yahweh/Jehovah did not kill through the hands of Biblical Prophets, ever? Maybe the Jewish God is no God then? Yet, the Christians go back to find their 3 in 1 from the Jewish prophetic eras!


@OLaadegbu: Arent you tired of the old/archaic and useless arguments from those wretched websites?

Please read Quran Chapter 39 (AzZumar) and then go to Quran 43; 81/88, you can also read 43; 57 to 67. This portion talks about Jesus as a Prophet and not son of God, because Allah is above all that you attach to Him.

@Bawomolo: What branch of evolution is hermaphrodites hanging in? Sorry man, let me rephrase it; what stage in the evolutionary process is hermaphrodite in and what do you think the gender will be, when the process is completed? You think the hermaphrodite can choose a gender at will, since the process will definitely happens as evolution, outside the mother/carrier?

Ol boy, you are giving me too much ammo to argue against evolution, worshipper of Zeus.

To answer your question; yes Allah creates the hermaphrodite, too. Just the same way He creates man separately and woman distinct from the man. The same way tall is created distinct from short. Fat (chunky) differently from slim (wafer, slender). White separately from blacks or darker hues based on family bloodline than any artificial factor.

Hermaphrodite is a human class that should make a woman thank her Lord for allowing her to emergy from mother's womb completely intact as a woman. I know many parents who want to have a son, because of the so many daughters that they have, they complain. But they do not look at the worse case scenerios; giving birth to no male or female, or producing a stillborn or even a gender complex child, like hermaphrodite, or a feminate or others who are not willing to restrict their sexual perversive orientations.

@Abuzola: May Allah reward you for your post. This piece and others like it of the prophet (AS) and those of his companions (RA), always bring tears to my eyes. Regardless of how many times you hear or read them.

How Salman Al Farsi became believer from a disbelieving society is a very good example. His journey from Fire worshipping Persia, and through the lands of the Arabs studying as a devoted christian under christian unitarian monks. All the way to present day Turkey, where the last monk told him about the presence of the last prophet already on earth. His decision to seek him and follow him, which led him to joining a Jewish Caravan of traders journeying back to arabia. His being different by language led to the caravan masters robbing him of his money and belongings and their selling him as a captive to a Jewish marchant heading back to his home in Madina, as a slave.

It is while he was a slave in Madina of this Jewish master that the Prophet (AS) migrated from Makka to Madina.

With the signs of what proof a claimant to be a true or false prophet, one of which a true prophet does not eat from "Charity", sadaqah but can eat from "Gift," Hadiyyah. And the seal which is a raised muscle that occurs between the shoulder blades and the lower back. These and others were proofs that he got and he never looked back.

Shuaib Al Rum, (RA) a white blue eyed from Rome was another. So was the story of Bilal ibn Rabah (RA), with all the suffering in the hands of his pagan master just for accepting Islam.


By the way, just to know the miracles and affirmation of prophetic position of Muhammad (AS), the slave master of Salman (AS), in Madina was a palm date farmer. He demanded in addition to payment of gold that the prophet himself planted many hundreds of palm date seeds for him on his farm.

Some of the seeds, he burnt and demanded that no seed should fail to germinate. By Allah all of the seeds germinated. Today, some madinan dates (tanr) look shriffled up as if dried out like raisins, yet the inside is moist. The taste of the madinan date is desired by those who appreciate it. Just imagine Zam Zam to tap water or another source!

I dont have that much time. Moreover, as a creation, I am confirming to you "a thing that claim to evolve", you will not be here much long. I give you 100 years more tops.

If white people came out of black people, I have news for you that my father who was very much lighter (almost Egyptian looking when you see him) must have came from me, since i am darker than him.

Ah, Chitown guy, your idea is very funny. I wonder if the white people are like Tiger to Lion? Or Tree to Frog, in your evolutionary book? They are still people, having the same exact elementary consistency like any people, including their "black" people you said they came out of.

When you can't even try to answer how women came from man, with just gender difference, I wonder what you will say about Chicken and the Egg> Which one came first, remember that the egg needs warmth, and the chicken is the one that can give it, naturally. Or does egg give the chicken something important so that the Chicken can function as Chicken?

I think you got the idea. Now you need to find for me, in short order, that very set of animals where we can see the evolutional progression stages, from say Monkey to People in Chicago. We want to see the evidence; from Inside the womb or outside the womb as one specie moves to become the other ahead of it, ending up to the most complicated; humans, people in Chitown.

By the way when did fertilization replaced that evolutionary phasing up? If fertilization is always in play, I wonder if you see the uselessness of your evolutionary idea?

How you dey, ol boy? Its getting hotter in the windy city, even not as windy as Boston. I think second city is more like it.

@Bawomolo: Please tell me the link (how female came about from male or is it the other was around)? I mean use a specific like being: human, or ape/monkey/etc, or cows, Anglers, longhorn, etc, lion or anything you wish to use.

I wonder why in the cat/feline family, you have big cats; Tigers, Lions, Cougers, Leopard, Cheetahs, Panters, Jaguars and others to even the small domesticated cats?

I just want you to illustrate the posibility of link (change from male to female or female to male gender), before you and people who think like you leap for "joy" on a dead carcass of a specific specie (animal) that really can't be explained that it came out of something less complex and something more complex emerged from it, later.

How is it so difficult for you guys to know that the Creator is capable of creating many things uniquely separate even though something else in creations may look "almost" like or similar to it? For example the internal organs of Pig is very similar to that of humans. While the outer looks of primates may in varied complexity are similar to that of the "primate at the topmost", the human.

What will humans evolved to? Do you know? Maybe something that will have no face or something strange.

Men are also commanded to "cover" up too. Women could be tempted just as much by badly dressed (almost nude) man, with the right acutremens.

@davidylan: Allah is the Author of Sharia. Sharia is His Laws on man. Hence, the Judges in Sharia courts and those who submit to Sharia, if in faithful belief, are those who are "obedient" to Allah. The Law of the Land represents the Land in Jurispudence. Sharia represents Allah, as the means of Jurispudence, Justice and Justness.

It is interesting to observe that the longest verse of the Quran is about commandment to write down a "Contract" between parts, where the one who is at the disadvantage is the "writer of what is agreed", so that when witnessed, the one who is the "borrower" can not deny his "commitment" to pay! And Allah states clearly in this verse that it is a test from Allah to know if you will obey His commandent. And you will also see that Allah declared that there will be punishment for those who disobey!


@emotional: My explanation is supposed to be human. Am human and Sharia is for human. At least between humans. And Sharia is always part of Nigerian laws; the "kotu Alagbada" is exactly what it is. The muslims amongst themselves apply this, without yielding to Nigerian Secular Laws. Part of that is distribution of inheritance, and marriage conditions, including "Yigi; Nikah".

By the way, my son is part of my ward; my responsibility. Based on our relationship, it is not possible that I will cry out to the community that he stole from me. He is not a stranger and the one whose property is taking is the only one, in sincerity that can declare if he had been "robbed!" Allah's book makes the family bloodline/relation or ties very clear.

While my son may take a good amount of money from my briefcase and I will not consider it stealing. The same son can go to the house down the street and take as little as 5 Dollars and the owner of the house will accuse him of stealing, thieft, breaking in and forced entry of somebody's property. He could be gunned down for it and may be sent to prison for it.

And you are pretending as if in New Testament, it is all hunky dorry. is there any verse where Jesus spoke about killing somebody? Did Jesus obliterate the laws of Moses about thievery? Can you point that very verse to us?

And your God have to "arise" by your commandment before "He" acts? Allah is always ready and everyting has its appointed time. So those who are not punished yet and still are allowed to be free, even as they do not stop their evil acts or their "disbelieving" ways; stealing, sexual illegality, or worshipping god with God in trinity, or denying His existence or His Lordship as in Atheism, Agnostics, and other paganic religions, and even the people who you thought still have "covenant" the Jews and their Old covenant since you christians claim that the new covenant is with you,all of you will face the "Day of Judgement."

Emotional, Omo boy, you amused me plenty. And am not in the mood to laugh hard, right now. Finally, if you wrong your fellow man, you are required to seek amendment with him. If you don't and he has not forgiven you, then you will get punished in the day of "Certainty", since your heart is not pure enough to have a resolve with him, in all the years you spent on earth.

Issue with Allah is clear. Afterall, in addition to belief as a muslim, Allah commands that you act right with your fellow man.

Krayola is seeking 'adoption' from the Christian God! If this is the case, what is the uniqueness of Jesus as begotten son, since Mary was not mounted anyway before she got pregnant. Tell me man, what happened to your "Nigerian" dad? Empty statement, as usual claiming to be God's son, when he punishes you when you do evil, since some Christians will end up in Lake of Fire anyway. Don't you see how human you act; eat, sleep, drink, rest and deficate, etc, like me and others who say we are not "sons or daughters of God?" If Allah's slaves and the Christian God children have the same qualities; human qualities, how real is your son/daughter of God is?

@Todak:

Right, It is not specifically there, but if you read what i posted to you earlier, you will find your answer, if allah could create man and gave him one wife and not two, then i see no reason why you cannot stick to monogamy, and also it is not stated that polygamy is encouraged, though it was practised by the partriach, but it never yielded a favourable result, what it gave in to was bitter rivalry among the children and their future generations

If you could answer Abuzola's question about more than 1 wife from the Bible with the above, I wonder how you come about 3 partnerships to make One God, from the same Bible? Afterall what do you do with the many verses in the Old and New Testament and the Psalm that point to uniqueness of God, who is never seen by any man?

And by the way what happened with Esau and Jacob from the same mother? Do they have different mothers because they seemed to me that they were the worst of enemies at a point; one connying a birth right of the other from a blind father with the help of the mother, while the one who lost out wanted blood.

Misterman, study your Bible thoroughly before starting up with us.


@Aloy.Emeka: Africa is not the only region of the world that "poverty" resides. In USA, and other "advanced" societies, you have dirt poor whites and others. China sexuality, with their abundant of women should be polygamous to water down the sexual tensions that drive the asiatic men to do the brothels, karioki lounges, and prostitution rentals and orgies.

Tudor is truly a follower of Tagut he created for himself. Unfortunately, he attached the last Messenger and prophet of Allah to the Children of Israel, Jesus son of Mary (AS) to this "device". His label of the Muslims as "Islamist PIGS" betrays his heart as a dishonest flesh.

Now for you Reindeer; while the earth is a place of trial, with rules and regulations from Allah, the Paradise of Muslims is a reward, an altimate reward from Him. This is the reason that wine, without the "headache that comes after" a good size of its consumption, is not part of it, while you can't escape a pounding headache from alcohol, on earth.

The condition of things in paradise, though similar in names to its earthly version, is very different. For example,fruits in Paradise will have different taste and size and aroma (out of this world), when compared to that of the earth. Same applies to all types of foods; flesh, vegetable, and liquid. Allah talks about the water (river), honey, milk in more qualitative way that gives superiority over that on the earth.

Now as to wine, you must have heard about "root beer" or ginger beer. Neither has any "alcohol" in it. There is no COOH in their bonding chain. Further, even now amongst muslims, grapes juice that have not reached fermentation, whereby the Sugar content have not started breaking up to " kain-Kain or Ogoro quality" are sold as wine. Its expensive and taste. It has a shelf life of about 3 days max, after it has been opened, before the fermentation begins.

Finally, while on earth Muslims are required to not have more than 4 wives at the same time (Oh, Muhammad (AS) was the Prophet and his marriages are more strategical), the condition is different in Paradise. The Muslim will have Huraine, made for him, in addition to his earthly wives who are "believers" and rewarded, independently for their individual belief.

Now you see that it is a good thing to aspire to and hope for the rewards in Paradise, after so much struggle on earth. And the wives in Paradise will always remain "virgins", while men and women in Hellfire will never have any of the "pleasurable thing of paradise." No foods, drinks except purse, molten metals, scourchingly hot water, and rotten and smelly flesh.

Gentlemen, is the food and drink and misery of hell what you want? The Christian heaven does not talk about any sort of "enjoyment" as reward that humans are familiar with, except clapping and singing! Heck you do that now. When do you stop being on the wrong side?

@Todak:  Jesus Vs Muhammad Using The Bible And The Quran « on: Yesterday at 09:29:33 AM »  

Who they claimed to be:
•   Muhammad – The Final Prophet
o   Sura 33:40 says, “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal [the last part] of the prophets.”

•   Jesus – The Son of God
o   Matthew 26:63-64 says, “And the high priest said to Him, ‘I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God!’ Jesus said to him, ‘It is as you said.’”

And in Surah Taubah, Allah expresses Muhammad to be "mercy and forgiveness" to mankind. Read it. This is statement of Al Rahman. Further, you will find in many verses of the Quran where Allah confirms Muhammad (AS) as the one sent to "all mankind" and Allah says He is enough as a Witness. And in Surah Saffat, verse 6 expresses that Jesus was sent to "confirm or reaffirm" authentic taurah, bringing back the people to it. No wonder he said that he did not come to destroy or abolish the Prophets and their Laws and rules (Taurah and sabur). Further you will see in that verse from the Quran where Jesus other duty was to announce the coming of the Prophet known as Ahmad; means of comfort or reassurance. I guess that means "Comforter."

And Jesus saying that it is "as you said" did not address the question as clearly as anyone may hope, when he was asked. It demanded a "YES" or "NO" answer, since he was put under oath. Please we are not dealing in ambiguity here, considering the over whelming evidences from the Taurah that God; Yahweh/Jehovah/Eloi (Allah) from the Old Israeli Prophets, starting from Israel himself; Jacob to Zachariah and son John that there is always no son or children for the "completely Independent and Unique Creator" .

And from Jesus, we have abundant verses from the Injil that go against your mishmmash conclusion of "son of God!" Jesus called himself man, son of man (Mary in this case since she is the only carry for "man" here, prophet and Messiah to his people only, since he limited his mission to his own people. I wonder if a God will run for his life to Egypt as a youth under the authority of his mother and "fake step father; since you still refer to Mary as virgin." (A virgin is a person who never voluntarity have sexual intercourse with a man. The presence of hymen is irrelevant, since it could be broken through exercises/ or reattached; ask Dr. Nwando), or as an adult? Couldn't he have been able to just make it impossible for those after his life to get it, since he "is" God? Or does God have just one life, like us humans, His creation? If God dies who takes care of the earth and heavens and all things? By the way I intentionally leave the raising of death that he performed, just one time as a way for you to come back, whereby I shall ask you if he was truly capable more than the one time as a sign, why didn't the community swamp him with their deads and why anyone remained in the cementary during his time? And why did the only person he raised not remain, still on earth and why didn't he make people to die, enmasse?

Knows the thoughts of men:
•   Muhammad – Did not know the thoughts of men
o   Sura 11:31 says, “And I say not to you that I have the treasures of Allah; and I know not the unseen”

•   Jesus – Knows the thoughts of men
o   Matthew 9:4 says, “But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, ‘Why do you think evil in your hearts?’”
o   Revelation 2:23 says, “and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts.”

I wonder why when asked about "the time of the hour", Jesus didn't have an answer? Even when the very important though of men was made audible to him, he declared that the "time of the hour" is only known to "God." Todak what are you talking about here. The mind reader was not able to give the answer to a burning question that was asked aloud?

Advocate with the Father:
•   Muhammad – Not our Advocate with the Father
o   Sura 9:80 says, “Ask forgiveness for them or ask not for them. Even if you ask forgiveness for them seventy times, Allah will not forgive them. This is because they disbelieve in Allah and His Messenger. And Allah guides not the transgressing people.”

•   Jesus – Our Advocate with the Father
o   1 John 2:1-2 says, “And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not ours only but also for the whole world.”

One may just be wasting time answering your questions, since you know from the Bible that Jesus said that not all "those who calls me lord" will enter heaven. I wonder if you don't know that only the Christians call Jessu "lord?" Therefore your advocacy is really like a non-advocate. The rule for any advocate applies to those who worship God as the specific advocate worshipped. Now do you worship God as Jesus did; prostrating your face after you have performed cleanliness with water (note that Jesus washed up his face, arms, etc, preparing for daily prayers).

I also read in the Bible that some of the people will tell Jesus that they performed miracles in his name, yet he will not do anything about their fate, when they are being led to "lake of fire." What do you think about this; really an advocate you said.

Muhammad (AS) has been "guaranteed" shefa "intercession". Read Surah Mariam and the hadith about the day of Judgement. You need to wake up, my dear brother.

And David;If you serve me any food with your "left hand", I guess you are internally telling me that your intention was that I do not eat. I will not eat it, because I don't know what lurks under your long fingernails, since you use the left to wipe yourself up in the bathroom.

Even if you are saying that you are as clean as fresh daisy, I guess everything is relative and am not about to take chances. And the instructions of Prophet Muhammad (AS) is more important to me than trying to accomodate you, when I know that your intention was not to "feed me" your food.

@Davidylan:

Jews of today still sing, clap and dance . . . does it mean the culture existing during David's time, disappeared when Christ came and then suddenly reappeared? Dudes, use ur brains . . . no use stealing from the bible.

Based on this, is it very safe to say that all authentic actions of worship that Prophet Moses (AS) did, Prophet Jesus son of Mary, the Messiah of the Children of Israel did. Then where is it you came about "switching" your religious mode, away from what Moses and Jesus did then; instead of Friday Sundown to Saturday Sundown, for Shabbat (Sabbath) for worship, you change it to Sunday? Instead of Temple you changed it to "Church?" Instead of Reading Torah you "nullifies" it with the Injil claiming New Covenant as your base?

Instead of observing Kosher Food Laws, you now eat "Swine with the "Flu"" with impunity? You shoot up animals instead of cutting the Jugular Vein? You proclaim the name of Jesus on food while the Jews say "Eloi; Allah (similar sounding words for the same "Overload", or do the Jews also have 3 mini Deities in One?

By the way how does that work; 3 full independent deities or 3 micro managing deities combinig their "powers" to gain 100% Authoriry? Too many questions for you. I will compactmentalize them.


$osisi: You didn't send any email back to me. How is the family? I wish you well.

@Davidylan: There are "Angels" in Islam; Israfil is one of them. So is Mikail. So is Maliki. Malaika Maut is another. I am not even talking about those who are the carriers of the Throne. We are not talking either of those who are making "Hajj" to Bait Mamur and will never return again. Or those who are in Sujud, or Kiyam or Rukuh or other salah positions. Islamic Angels are two numerous. Only Allah knows their numbers.

And when you mentioned that Moses and David clapped and danced, the question you should ask yourself before you asked Muslims, is why didn't Jesus son of Mary (AS) sing and dance? What changed between their time period that he did not follow them, while he "prostrated" his face, instead?

Today, the muslims prostrate their faces when praying in the manner that Jesus son of Mary did, while our leader is Muhammad (AS). Why don't you prostrate your face in the tradition of Jesus son of Mary (AS)?

And my not being quite correct on Makru(h) is in the same pattern that a person jump into a not so quite correct conclusion by assuming that a "miracleworker or performer", is actually "God Himself", just by his work alone, while ignoring the actual statement from this wonderful person that points to him being a prophet and messenger to just his own people.

Didn't his observation tell him, that God does not need to walk among mankind to proof His Godship, since there are always abundance of signs to "proof" in the world to man the existence of the Creator? Is a perfection going to have an imperfect as offspring? Will God kill Himself or allow others to kill Him so that He can forgive not the "killers", but those who believe in that "killing", when He can simple say "I forgive you from my Mercy as your Lord?"

By the way we know that not all those people who were present at the time of "crucifixion", will enter "heaven", since Jesus did not seem to "forgive" the thief on his left. And of course the "betrayer", Judas Iscariot who was so distruct that he killed himself. What about the Roman Judge, and the Jews who participated in his "death?"

It is good to have knowledge. But knowledge without "Iman" is not beneficiary. Iman is very important, and definitely not less important than knowledge. It is faith that led David to slaughter Goliat. Faith is what Moses had that made him victorious over Pharaoh and his army.

@Todak: Could you give us the name or names of any of the concubines and sex slaves of Allah's Messenger Muhammad bin Abdallah (AS), since you know that he has one or some? You are the only one who knows this. No muslim knows about it. So we need your proof! In all my years of reading ahadith and his sirah, he never took a woman that was not his legal wife, first. And he never accepted a woman who offered herself in marriage to him. And yet so many offered themselves!

In your Bible, you had David with many more wives and "concubines". His son Solomon had much more of each. Please tell me a name of any of Muhammad's concubines and give us the time of his life he had her; Makka's period, or Madina's period? When in Madina, the early years or at the end, since he only spent a total of 10 years in Madina?

I will not allow you to go scottfree in this matter! Your accusations are like that of those who are throwing accusations of sexual relations on Jesus son of Mary, as they claim it to be with Mary Maglaine! You see how falsehood can take hold?

And Todak, if you do not know that the prophet (AS) had a special condition when it comes to sexuality, then you know nothing about Islam. On one hand, in Surah Azhab he was told that no more marriage is recorded for him after the last one was ordained on him. This simply meant that even if all of the women died, he would have to remain without consult. Yet every muslim man can marry up until on death bed.

Just like when it was not permissable for him to remain alive for any extended period of time, after the last portion of the Quran was revealed. What would he be doing alive? Is there a retired prophet? When the last responsibility of Moses was discharged, Moses was removed from his community. When the duty of Jesus was over, he was finally raised up by his Lord to Him. The same for Muhammad.

For example, muslim man can marry 4 and replace them and marry another, and did same and repeat the process throughout his life. So can a woman marry each time after marriage. But no wife of Muhammad (AS) was eligible for marriage anymore because they are the mothers of the believers. Even their own fathers, they are the mothers of the believers. Aisha became the mother of her father. So was Afsa to her father Umar bin Khattab. Do people normally marry their mothers? No. So tell me which woman concubine or sex slave that Muhammad slept with and who married her after he "left" her?

I hope you will be sincere to yourself and stop this psychoreligiousity. You are going beyond your religious duty and out of the realm of reality! Is there more than One Whole God? Is there a possibility of 2 or more true Gods?

I know that you have difficulty to realise that you can do more than one thing at the same time. I think it may be difficult for you to use the computer and talk on the phone at the same time. So if you have 10 minutes to do both, I am assuming that you may just spend 6 minutes on computer. Then dial the phone number of the person you wish to talk to and spend the remaining 4 minutes.

But in real world; people turn the computer on at the same time they are dialling the phone. In other words, they spend 10 full minutes on the computer and at the same time full 10 minutes talking on the phone. They didn't spend 20 minutes, but 10. This is overlapping of activities in the same time, providing efficiency. If humans can do this, although it is difficult for you, I imagine, it is easy for Allah. You see why 6 days is what needed to create, and not 8?

You see why Kun (Be) is easy and there is no "rest"period in the Quran. And please don't tell me that "REST" from Bible simple mean no more creation, only. It also means what it means; rest, which is taking a break to gain energy after a hard period of work or activities that brought about fatigue.

You need the knowledge of math; simple arithmetics! Have you the knowledge of solving more than one equation at the same time? Or more than one unknown quantity in the same problem? Apply yourself, man.

What is disliked. doubtful is makru or mandub but not mashbooh. But everything has rule and condition and sometimes conditions where exception is the overriding condition.

I can't help it but to make the below available for people to read; separating Islam from muslims of today or generations past, and clearly presenting the position of the Messenger (AS), for all to admire.


                                                                                 Mercy in Islam

                                                                                            by

                                                                            Dr. Hassan Hathout

We praise Allah. We bear witness that there is no God but Him, and we bear witness that Mohammed is His messenger and the Prophet. We ask Allah to shed His Peace and Blessings upon the Prophet, upon his family, his companions, and his followers to the Day of Judgment.

My dear Brethren, every once in a while Brother Aslam Abdullah, the Chief Editor of the Minaret, makes the courtesy to do some proof reading of the Minaret before it goes to print.

That is how I got to read a letter from a Muslim Sister from South Africa. She was not born a Muslim, but she embraced Islam. She lost her husband and held a single parent family including a daughter and a son. A family that was a Muslim family, with a mother doing her very best.

Unfortunately, at the age of seventeen, her son committed suicide. It was a grave shock to her, losing her only son at that young age. Of course she had to face the immediate duties of burying her son. For that, of course, she went to the Islamic Center.

You will be surprised to learn what happened. None of the members of the Islamic Center would take part in the funeral or the burial, on the pretext that the boy had committed suicide, and this was haram.

What a distortion of Islam this is. What cruelty has crept into the hearts of those Muslim brothers. Who of them did not disobey Allah sometime.

If the boy was guilty, what was the guilt of the mother? A Muslim mother left with a dead son.

It was as if they had already tried the son and passed the verdict on him to remain unburied. What if the son had been afflicted with an acute psychiatric illness, that compelled him to lose control?

But this was the unfortunate event. Until with the help of two Muslim sisters and a group of Christian men she could arrange for the washing, the Janazza Prayers, and the burial of her son.

This was the Islamic behavior that some Muslims chose to do in this calamity. I have been pondering and saying that to some Muslims, Islam begins with the knowledge of the rules and regulations. One of them could have a full Islamic Library in his head. Yet they can see the tree and are blind to the forest.

My dear brethren, before the stage of rules and regulations, before the stage of worship and behavior, before the stage of haram and "halal" and "makru" and "mandub", before memorizing and learning, we should not miss the total picture of Islam, the totality of Islam.

The total objective of the mission of the Prophet, Peace and Blessing be upon him, that was described to him by Allah, Praised and Exalted be He, in the Quran,

Wa maa arsalnaaka illaa rahmatal lil'aalamin

We have sent you for nothing else but mercy to the worlds.

Therefore it is so simple to conclude that anything which conflicts with mercy, does not run parallel with the mission of the Prophet, Peace and Blessing be upon him.

The Prophet described himself as "Ar Rahmatu al mozjah", the mercy presented by Allah to mankind. All his life, he was the best example of mercy. His was a mercy on far and near, friend and enemy. That was the psychology of the Prophet, Peace and Blessing be upon him.

Yet some Muslims are impervious to this concept of mercy. They want to make themselves judge, and pass judgements in situations where it is only for Allah to pass judgement. To have the courage to speak on behalf of Allah and to condemn a dead Muslim to remain unburied, to me looks like the ethic of cruelty. Cruelty is incompatible with iman (faith) and Islam.

At the time of the Prophet, Peace and Blessing be upon him, there was a man widely known to be a hypocrite. In secret he would ally with the enemies of the Muslims. Yet the Prophet knew it and many of the Muslims could feel it.

They thought of killing the man and his own son came to the Prophet and said, "O Prophet of Allah, let me kill my father."

The Prophet, Peace and Blessing be upon him, answered, "Never let it be said that the Prophet kills his followers. If he is a hypocrite we can only have the authority of implementing the law. But if there is no legal crime then we can not punish a man."

Sometime later, that hypocrite died, and everybody felt relief that this man died. Yet the Prophet, Peace and Blessing be upon him, sent his cloak to be used in shrouding that dead man, and went by himself to conduct the janazza prayer over him. That was the conduct of the Prophet.

He knew that the man was wrong, but what about the son who was faithful? Isn’t the son deserving of some courtesy here? Or shall the son bear the burden of everybody cursing his father?

That son who committed suicide: What about a Muslim, faithful mother with the body of her dead son on her hands. She can not carry him, she can not wash him, or convey him to the funeral, or bury him. Isn’t it a shame that it was two women and a group of Christians who fulfilled that duty?

Al Hamdu Lillah, you and hopefully I know that the essence of Islam is Rahma. Whoever will need the Rahma of Allah, Praised and Exalted be He, has to build up a stock in his account. If you need the mercy of Allah, then give mercy. If you will ever need the forgiveness of Allah, then give forgiveness.

Still, so far I see Muslims now and then whose hearts are thick, whose emotions are dry, who know the rules and regulations, but miss the Rahma, which is the essence of Islam.

Islam, to me, can not be joined half-way. It can not be started with the rules and regulations and the do’s and don’ts. The beginning is the total realization of total mission of Islam, which is a mercy to the worlds.

Sometime ago, I was with one of those great scholars, a big Alim, with plenty of following. Our discussion led us to discuss the status of the illegitimately born child in Islam. Very promptly, he said, "To be killed."

So I said, "O, Abdur Rahman, suppose you and I were standing in this room, and through the door comes a sweet five year old boy, with a ball in his hand. He smiles at us and throws the ball to play with us. Would you go and kill him?"

The man took the message and said, "No, I wouldn’t kill him."

This example shows that knowledge is present in Muslims who lack the essence. This happens with many Muslims still.

May Allah inspire you, to live your life under the shade of the mercy of Allah, Praised and Exalted be He. And may Allah, make you instruments of His mercy, not of His punishment.

If you are an instrument of His punishment, expect that you will face punishment, and if you are an instrument of His mercy, expect that He will deal with you in mercy.

We ask Allah, Praised and Exalted be He, to fill our hearts with mercy, and to give us mercy when we need it. We ask Allah to make us instrumental in showing the way to other Muslims, who unfortunately are confused about Islam and give more importance to the rules than to the essence of Islam.

My dear brethren, what a great religion Islam is. The corollary is that only great people are worthy of carrying the message of this great religion. Only people commensurate with Islam should call themselves Muslims. Only people whom Allah led in their hearts the essence of Islam, which is mercy.

Without acquiring that, we have missed the beginning my brothers and sisters. Without starting with it deep in our hearts, we can not go on and say that we are the Muslims. Without realizing that the total mission of Islam is mercy, and that the Prophets mission is nothing but mercy, then we have not begun at the beginning.

May Allah instill in our hearts, His love, and love of our fellow Muslims, and our fellow human beings. May Allah make us always instruments of His mercy, and give us mercy and forgiveness on the day we will need them.

@Todak: It seems to me, at least that you are one of those people who can't do two things or more together, at the same time! I may be wrong, so I expect you to correct me or affirm my opinion, as stated.

If you think that I am wrong that you can do more than one thing at the same time, like chew and walk, then know that the Deity of Muslims; Allah, Who is more powerful, knowledgeable and does not have any of the shortcomings of humans, can definitely do more than one thing all at the same time. So all my Lord have to say is Kun (Be). Thats a command. Then it is fa ya kun (So it Be), the process begins to bring in place what is commanded. See how easy and effortless it is for Allah. There is no reason for the seventh day "rest!"

Process that starts with a simple command "Kun," is like the moment fertilization takes place, the process of creating a baby begins. But the Baby does not come out of the mother's womb for 9 months! Now do you see the superiority of allah who allows everything to have a process/procedural period, after it has been commanded to take place?


So the creations of earth and heavens occurred in overlapping time, withing the six days, the maximum time that is stated for the creations of things; in heavens and on earth. I am sure that this should be enough to quel your "proposition about more than six days", since you continue to add days together, failing to realize that no day is mentioned that is more than 6 days, for creations.

I don't want you to behave like ignorant people who looked at the numbers of wives a muslim man, can marry at any time, and say that the Quran permits more than 4! If people think like you, they will say it is 10 at the same time. But that will be wrong! Simply becaues it will be outside what Islam commands in the Quran; Marry, thats a must. Maybe 2. Maybe 3. Maybe 4. Now this is where Allah stopped and it is deemed the maximum when you do head count. But you must marry; a wife at least!

Further explanation to help you; read Surah the Cave about the people and their dog in the cave. Allah stopped at 8, which is the answer. But our Lord started with lower numbers and each time increased it by one until the answer 8! Definitely, it will be completely wrong to add each number mentioned all together! that will be a crowd since; 5 plus 6 plus 7 plus 8 will definitely be a large crowd in that cave!

Actually, since you are not even a believer of any organized religion, I will think that you are one of these people who just believe in the "goodness" of man. Hence, the most consistence, at least when we look at the world today, is the USA with the rule of law and justice under the "Constitution." Interestingly, President Barackallah Hussaine Obama was saying yesterday that the constitution is so "flawless and consistence" that after it has been formed some 220 years ago, it survived Civil war and Civil rights. It survived worldwars, etc and cold wars, etc, etc. What an orator the President is.

By the way no one has ever complained about it being "old fashion arcace", since the Founding Fathers will definitely not be able to relate to the present human condition at least in today's USA! But it is their formulated material; the Constitution that still rules.

But as much as I admire the constitution, I have to admire the Quran even more. Reason; it is over 1400 years, which is 7 times the US constition of over 200! I have to admire the Quran even more than I have expressed, because while you have about 300 million people adhering to the US Constitution, you have over 1.5 Billion people saying the Quran is their guiding Book!

But wait, what is so profound about the Quran is that while the US Constitution in its human grandeur is improving as the generation problems arise, with constitutional "AMENDMENTS," the Quran has none of that!

The Quran was revealed, in the time of proverbial "founding father" Muhammad (AS), the Prophet. in its totality. Since then there is no "AMENDMENT or the "proverbial american jagon" nothing! (To all Muslimsand others, Allah is my Witness; I just used "founding father" for Muhammad (AS), only to be sarcastic and consistent since iI used "founding fathers" for the American constitution formulated persons. May Allah forgive me and others. Amin).

We can not say the same about the US Constitution, since there are amendments. And the blacks have voting rights only by amendments and it is still always have to be renewed, every 25 years. And by the way the District of Columbia (Washington DC) does not have a congressman in the US Congress. Wow. Can all persons in America definitely say that they have equal representation? Definitely, the Washingtonians can't say that.

Finally, no other religious Books can have the same claims as the Quran; being consistent from the time of revelations onward, to this very day. Can the Bible of Jesus; the New Testament say that? Obviously, no. The Language of Jesus was Aramaic still spoken in some village or town in Syria. If the Book of Jesus is polluted, then the Book of David and definitely the Book of Moses must not be pure, too. How can any of the earlier two before Jesus be pure and yet you have Jesus raised up for the people to "correct them, lead them aright?" If a people are on the right track, is there any reason to bring anyone to correct then, except to encourage them to be consistent in their "right path journey?"

I want those of you who want to criticize the Quran to be very constructive about it. Be honest, sincere and clearly objective in your critical analysis. Compare it to any book; religious or otherwise. Is their an equal?

@Todak: The stone miracle is still there for you to see. I gave you location to witness or disproof it. The Romans defeating the Persians in the time frame that the Quran stated is etched in human history.

But wait, while no one ever recorded the condition of the body/remain of the "drowned" Pharaoh (search your Bible; new and old testaments and "in between", the Quran spoke about the recovery of his body! In complete fulfilment of the Quranic verse, the body was "discovered" completely intact, later, on a hill nicknamed Jabaal (hill/mountain) of Firawn (Pharaoh). Today this same body is the most viewed "mummy" on earth.

Allah says of this body that it is a sign for "future" generations. I submit that body will not completely "decay/desentigrate", until the last human generation are born! But Allah knows best. But Allah says in Surah Kahf stated that only people that He gave knowledge (few) knew the number of those in the cafe, since many numbers as possible answer by those who doubt, were given. But Allah stopped at number 8. The answer is number 8.

Muhammad (AS) stated that when Allah loves a believer, He gives him "knowledge."

Finally, it is only the miracle of Muhammad (AS), the Quran that remains pure, amongst all the major books: Taurah of Moses (AS) have been polluted. The Psalm of David (AS) is also suffering the same fate, in textural content and usage. The Injil of Jesus son of Mary (AS), also did not escape the same calamity. Allah did not safeguard these books, but only that of the last Prophet (Muhammad), the Quran.

The Quran affects the heart more than any book on earth. At least the hearts of believers and those who care to read it through and reflect upon it. Now, Masjid Haram in Makka, Al Nawawi in Madina are two mosques Muhammad participated in their buildings. They still remain, now over 1400 years. Now tell me which Synagogue/Temple did Moses build? Which church did Jesus build or pray in? Show me from the Old testament and the New testaments, where the two men of "God" directly instructed what the Jews and/or the Christians are doing today? Something. Say 1% of what they do today. I wanna read where Moses told the "Jews; wrong name" to knock their faces towards the "wailing wall". I wanna see where Jesus said that the Christians should assemble in the "Church", especially when he was reported to have "prayed" in the "Temple". Show me, because am thirsting for knowledge. I want to read it.

And in the Quran, the mosque now known as Masjid Aqsa in Jerusalem was also predicted. The expansion of Islam to cover the whole of Arabia and even beyond it (Iran, Afghanistan Persian lands) was pedicted. Muhammad (AS) is the only prophet in his own time that was "proclaimed" in the Book given to him as the Messenger and Prophet to all peoples; the whole world, not just the arabian people.

Muhammad spoke about the stages of development of human embrayo! Today, the "Complete" knowledge on this subject is not "reached", yet, since many things will still be discovered by future generations. The reason that Quran is consistence and not changing, even though the muslims are for the most part switching to fit there "human masters" because most of us are now abdollars.

When you have your heart opened to "knowledge", am sure you will find the Quran. And Muhammad's miracles are still on going. Muslims the world over are giving him "Salaam", only to benefit them; read Surah Azhab (the Confederates) to find it.

Oh. Muhammad predicted the defeat of the Makkans before the Battle of Badr began. He specifically stated those who will die and on what spot on the battlefield. Abu Jahal (Umar Abu Sham) died exactly as he, Muhammad (AS) stated. He said that Umar bin Khattab and Ali bin Abi Talib (RA) shall be murdered after his death. They were in the exact way. Ali bin Abu Talib got to where his Prophet predicted that his life will end, he smelled the air, and take a handful of the sand, and knew that he will soon died!

He didn't run off like some "followers" of previous prophets (AS). Please read the Bible, again! And when Ali was being murdered, he shouted; By the Lord of the Kaaba, I am victorious! Please take note that Makka was already opened, and there was not a single "idol" of the Makkan Idolators in or around Kaaba or even the city!

Its interesting to point out to you, that the Christian's of USA at least are now so interested in that word; Idol. Today there is a program on FOX called "American Idol". I guess the worshippers of Jesus son of Mary adore the word or idea of "Idol!"


Just a side show, in the fashion of "sideshow Bob" of the Simpsons, I heard a christian telling some folk to read and use "Psalm" of David to cure or better his/her present condition. The same David that the people called adulterer, killer and blood thirsty. I said to myself; Is Jesus' New Testament not enough? Why going back to use the materials of "David" who they spoke very badly about? Is there a statement from Jesus son of Mary to refer to the Old testament and Psalm, since the Old Covenant is dead and the New Covenant of Jesus is whats in play? Why not the "New Testament" enough, with the new covenant? I though Jesus is enough to save!

@Tudor: How do you conclude that Muslims worship the "devil", when the very is cursed, first, prior to Quranic recitation. Even Surah Baraa (Tauba; chapter 9 without Bismilla) must be started by cursing the "devil?"

Tudor, do you curse your boss or your loved ones to their faces? If you do, I have news for you; they do not believe that you love them, even though you may say to them that the curse is an "expression of endearment!"

@Todak:

The earth (in its totality; initially bare, without the mountains, and valleys and all the beautiful terrains that make it picturesques, could have been within or over the two days; less than 6 days).

nope, the quran was specific, it siad two days do not chip in your on thought here
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Show me the verses where you get your Specificity! In the Qur'an there are some verses that no one except Allah knows the meaning. There are some verses you have expanations from Muhammad (as) to even understand it. Yet there are so many verses where you don't need expalanation to understand them.

I want you to show me which verse(s) helped you to give you the full specific information that you know that Allah is wrong. The same Allah whose Book you are going to use to shwo that he is wrong. Am waiting. If I am not here, when you respond, a slew of muslims, men and women will correct you.

nope, all i see here, is unquranic defence, you are saying your thought about the whole thing, the quran said it all, the earth and the mountains and co are different according to the quran, and it told us the days which each entity was made, so how come, two different entities merge together coming to have one of the entity's days of creation, not possible. if allah had made the earth and the mountains and nourishment in four days, then there would have been no need for the seperation, , so i quite agree with Six but the break down is not
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Please break it down for us; Did Allah create the earth less than two days? Did He create it more than 6 days? Did He tell you that He created the earth alone, completely before He began to create the Heavens, or vice versa? Do you even know what you are talking about, except that you are bent on wanting to proof Islam wrong? Please explain yourself. I want to learn Islam from you, if you know for sure.




[quote]So you are saying here that the earth and mountains with all its nourishment was made in 4 days, why could the quran not go straight to it instead of the division, like i said , this is what you think, or was told, but the verses are quite self explanatory.
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Am not saying anything, except poking holes in your idea that is not sound about the Quran and creation of the earth! You dont know or do you, really? Only if you ready the hadith. Then, you have to go to the writings of the scholars of ahadith about the period ofthe creation of the earth in order to understand.





[quote]Indeed, if he really knew, he would not calculate wrongly like he did,
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Since you know, from the Quran, give us the correct calculation. Do you know Quran more than the Author? Please give me the meaning of Alif, Laaam, Miiim.; the very verse of the second chapter if you know!





[quote]I either, i'm not forcing you to leave islam,i'm only giving you an eye opener about the most holy book aclaimed,
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And the "eye opener" is that I follow your co Gods, which are Father, Son and ghost/spirit, if you are a christian? Is it not obvious that partnership is never as individuals do not hold absolute authorities, since there will be a need to consult the other partners, before acting?

If you are not a christian, and for example you are a humanist or athesit or others, should I follow your ways, where there is no Overlord that qualifies my actions? What is the purpose of life? Why are you here, as humans? Is your purpose different from the animals in the wilderness or even the domesticated ones? What is it, if you know? I am thinking that you may even deny paradise (chrstian heaven) and hellfire (Chrstian lake of fire).




[quote]Like the kindagarten maths he could not do,
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Please give me your professorial math prowess! Please provide proof from the Quran.





[quote]The creations he could not exactly tell the days he created them
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I guess we already see that the earth was created in a period not less than 2 days! While the heavens were being created at the same time that the earth was being created, the total period of these compex creations is 6 days!

From your genius quality, tell us from the Qur'an how many days it took to create the earth and iots contents? Do you know if earth and its contents are not being created at the same time that the heavens were being created?

If you want to know, read the Quran again (Surah Najm and others) where you will see that Allah brought the creations of heavens and earth going at the same time. He is capable of doing more than one thing at the same time.

For example, Allah ways he created man from soil. Adam is created from Soil. he created man from water. Adam was created from the admixture of soil and water. He created man from Adam. Eve his wife was created from part of his body. Yet it if from the fusion of their products; sperm and egg that their offspring came from.

Allah them says that man was created from drop of liquid; sperm, the sexual product of the stronger gender; man.

Allah says that man is created from blood, which is the very material that the combined sperm and egg become, as they begin to grow. I think you sknow the many changes, before human is born; all of them with 9 months!





[quote]He your Lord, cos i do not believe in allah, and you are a slave to him, i'm not a slave and can never ever be a slave
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Your case is like the case of a young man who petitioned the courts that he wants to divorce his parents. Even if he can handle the new found freedom, what happens to his genetic makeup? Can he change that? If he can not, then know that his "freedom" from his parents is a fake one.

Your saying about not being a slave is borne out of "lack of understanding" of your true position with your Creator.




[quote]Complex you say, explain better
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Your imagination can not comprehend Him. Whatever your mind can formulate to be Him, it is definitely not Him. Allah says about Himself in Chapter 112; Your Lord is Allah. Thats the name He calls Himself. Then He says that He begets no one. That eliminates the lies that He is a father of anyone or any people. He is not begotten. That eliminates Him as any one who ever was born by a mother without a father, or created without prior example, etc. He depend on no one, while everyone depends on Him.

I often hear even the atheist or agnostic in distress cries out; Oh God!



[quote]Which of them, muhammad or allah, they are birds of the same feathers,
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There is no muslim that will tell you that Muhammad (AS), the Prophet of Allah is God! Yet Allah is the One Muhammad prostrated his face to. All muslims is required to do so. indeed, all true believers should.



@bawomolo (m)« #23 on: Today at 12:55:38 AM »
[quote]yes his name is Zeus, now prove me wrong.
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Like eveything else; th truth is one. I often hear women in yoruba culture call their husbands family members, my husband. It even include women, in this group of husband! We do know that the true husband is definitely not the women in the family. Not even the strong desirable men. But the man who she shares her bed with is the husband.

Look at your Zeus as the women the wife calls my husband. Is Zeus "God?" I believe that the era of his greek mythical notice ended when christianity overran Greece. And that is just the porported followers of "the son of Mary!"

Just imagine when the changes that will occur when the greeks know about the Lord that Jesus son of Mary worshipped! Will there be a place that Zeus image or name will remain in Greek conscience?

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Regardless, at the end of the day, if a muslim cautions and successful stopped him/herself from doing what he/she had earlier seeked forgiveness for, then he/she can feel some gladness in the heart, that Allah has prevented him/her from commmitting the same sin/crime, again. Maybe the earlier repentance have been accepted, and the previous sin/crime wiped off the record. Read Surah Azumar. It is very short, but full of the food to nourish the soul.

@Todak: Will Quranic prediction of the just defeated Rome to be victorious over the just victorious Persia, count as a miracle, since it happened exactly within the time it stated, in Surah Rome? Or will you not accept the mentioning of Masjid Aqsa, Jerusalem, in Surah Isra, as a miracle, since this was long before the place became a masjid, which still stands, in Jerusalem, today? Or you may have to research and discover, in Jerusalem, inside the Masjid known as Masjid Umar "The Dome of the Rock," that that "Rock" was trying to go to heaven with Muhammad (SAW), in his Isra wa Miraj. Muhammad had to stop the stone from going with him, by a gesture of his hand. The inprint of that hand remains on that stone, which is housed in that "Dome of the Rock!" These are just few examples.


Since you are very fascinated by Islam, or at least curious enough to ask probing questions, please make your own research. Am an still discovering Islam. I am very fascinated, too.

@Todak: Allah says creations of all that are in heavens and earth, in six days (periods). This is definitely more than two, and or four days that seem to confuse you. Again, from the above six days, it is clear to me that all things were created. The earth (in its totality; initially bare, without the mountains, and valleys and all the beautiful terrains that make it picturesques, could have been within or over the two days; less than 6 days). Then if you consider the mountains were added to stabilize it from its shaking former state, then you are still talking about a period still within the 6. This could be where the 4 days come in, considering that we have not spoken about vegetations and animals and waters, and rainfalls, etc. But Allah knows exactly when and what He created in the exact period(s) that He created it/them. This type of questioning will not help you to hate Islam even further, nor will it make me leave Islam, since I know that Allah alone hold the knowledge to some issues that human being gravels with.

@Tudor: The muslims are no slaves of Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Rather, we are his followers. He and us, all are slaves of Allah. Even you who is a no muslim is a slave. The difference is that you are denying what your soul have already acknowledged! If you are not a christian, for sure there is somebody who is your master; your parents or a boss at the work place, or your school professor! If you are christian, you have already chosen Jesus son of Mary as your master! While Jesus still has an Everliving Master, who he prayed, cried, petitioned to in his hour(s) of need(s).

@Horus: "Kun" is all that Allah have to say to bring about what He has determined to come into place at its measured time. Kun, from Allah is very effortless. This is different and definitely superior to what is said by other relgion(s) about their "God" who created, but needed a rest. The rest conotes tiredness. Allah is not tired nor ever fatigued. I worship the God Who is Superior to all "God" who labored and got tired, in the pocess of creation! I wonder how they are mentaining what they created, if just the creation process got them tired, that they needed rest? It is very obvious that mentaining is more time consuming that the initial prestine creation. Mentainance needs constant vigil! Can the one who is tired handle it?

@Davidylan:Definitely, you will have to agree with me that while you and others, including me may differ about the exact "Time" life begins in the womb; at point of inception, or later or even when the baby is completely formed; without any doubt the one who knows the exact time is the Creator, Himself, alone. I will like you therefore to observe the creation of earth in this same manner. For sure, is not less than 2 days, according to the Quran. It is exactly like no one can say that life of the unborn begins, prior to sexual intercourse between father and mother, or before the sperm and egg fused together.

The mountain is added to the bare earth, later. So do the vegetations and animals. But today they are part of the earth. The Quran says that earth's creation is within 6 days, which includes the creation of the heavens, etc. But the creation of the earth is not less than 2 days. And if you look again, you may find that the earth and all its contents except humans, etc, were created not more than 4 days, along with, say, what was created in that period of from among the things between earth and heavens, and even part of the content of heavens!

@Bawolomo: Tectonic plates theories, etc, are still current activities upon the earth. For example, volcanic eruptions change the surface area of the earth, by reducing the height of the mountain which it erupted from. But often, new surfaces may be created, because the eruption flows into water area and claims it, creating additional land/soil surface, while the water retrieves. You have this happening in Hawaiian waters, for example. Allah continues to be the Overlord of the earth by allowing the earth to heal itself through all these activities. Creations do not happen except it is by Allah.

He our Lord says in the Quran that He is our Creator and also the Creator of what we "create!"


Finally, the Lord is very complex. You can not know how to worship Him, except you first know Him. Is there any other "True" Creator and/or a God?

There is no more than One Creator! Is there in your religion, folami86?

@folami86: If the Bible says this, and the Quran says that, and this and that are not the same, the hypothesists who propose and never desist to say otherwise, should by your topic here know that Quran did not plagiarise the Bible! Definitely.

@Emotional: The Sharia court, is the process by which Sharia, the JURIPRUDENCE in the Quran is practiced. Unfortunately, there is no country where the unadulterated Sharia as commanded by Allah is practiced, today. The Muslims have abandoned Allah;s Laws and Injuctions for the that of Tagut; ruling civilization (European and her baby US, and other affiliates), or organizations; Jewish and Christianity and other nonIslamic.

And those who ask what the purpose of Sharia judgement is, failed to make proper reflections before asking. If you look at the USA, in her grandeur, we see that they operate by rule of laws. We will now deal with the judiciary. Does America not put the accused through the judiary process? If found guilty, is he not punished? How do you acquit or punish the accused except there is a set of laws? In Islam this is known as Sharia. The Sharia court is the same as the courts in any other place.

The accused goes to jail if found guilty. In Islam, the accused is given due punishment, if found guilty. A man who sleeps with a wife of another man if caught in the act by the husband, in the USA can easilty take the lives of the wife and the "boyfriend" right there. But in Islam, there is a process; 4 people have to see the lovers in the act! And that is not even enough. These witnesses are required to swear and call the wrath of Allah on them, if they lied about what they saw! And even that is not enough! The accused can escape the punishment; if only he or she swears and call the wrath of Allah on him/herself if he performed the act that he/she was accused!

If the accused walk, after all of the above, even though they know in their own hearts that they are guilty, the witnessing in the future, of those "witnesses", shall not be accepted, ever!

And by the way, while the husband/boyfriend of adulterous woman may take up to two lives; the lovers and even that of himself and others in the woman's household, the case is different in Islam. The punishment is only restricted to the guilty. If unmarried at the time of committing the crime, there is only 100 lashes! That is the maximum that you have in Islam. Whereas, the guilty thief loses a limb, but in other nonIslamic condition, the thief may lose his very life! In Nigeria, they put tire tube on their neck, after they have been beaten to tiredness; then they pour gasoline on then and lite them up in raging inferno!

For those who are sexually perverted, even Islam shows mercy!

Finally, those who dare to compare Allah's love to that from the many Pseudo-deities; Are those gods not intending to punish the folks who do not worship them (Muslims)? For example the Christians claim that they will go to "heaven!" If the Muslims are also in that same heaven as they are in the day of Judgement, where is it that the Christians are "special" then? Will their worship on earth not to be for nothing? The hindus are punished, over and over again, by their souls coming back as some other animals, rat this time, and something else, at another time. And then, until it reaches Nirvana, which is what they called the perfect state. It is in that state that the soul does not return to earth as anything, anymore.

And as per end of time (no one asked about this; I just want to say this from my heart), the Christians and their "Jesus" shall kill the Jews for "disbelieving and not accepting Jesus as "lord and savior"! I wonder what they will do to the others, Muslims etc, if they go this far with the people who are the "chosen"?

Talking about love without the opposite of love; hatred is empty and disgenous! I wonder what the "lake of fire" is, and who are going to be the inhabitants, if the christians are the inhabitants of "christian heaven"?

If I enter the Christian heaven, without believing as the Christians believe, then the christian's belief is for nothing. In Islam we have always, the opposite to any condition. Crime is punished, if not forgiven. Good deed is rewarded in goodliness. But Allah loves to forgive. Hence He rewards much more than what the good deed is worth. But He punishes with just punishment.

The best of deed is truly believing in Allah.

By the way those who calls Him the "moon god" failed to read in many parts of the Quran where Allah says He creates the moon. Is the moon not a creation, easy for Allah to create?

Interestingly, Michael Vicks of Atlanta Falcons, have just been released from Prison. Yet the debate is still raging on about his sin/crime against the dogs he raised in Virginia for fighting. This man have lost so much money, personally spent years in jail, yet the "good Christian society" of America have shown no "forgivenesss!" What is this guy to do? Is there no chance for him, again?

In Islam, after your societal punishment, you are free. But the Altimate Decider of Guilt or Victory ids Allah.

Baba agba; Thanks. Am relaxing abit today. I saw some few topics that I thought the non muslim entrants are not being "objective" in their thoughts of Islam. In some places, when they argue for their religion or those without organized religion, they fail to apply the same strength/format of argument as they would when they talk about Islam.


When they blame Islam for what they think is "evil: they honor their own way(s) for the same exact thing! From their own eyes, their way(s) is correct, though they had just said Islam was wrong for the same exact thing or something similar or comparable.

Take the case of marriage and sex; Adam was the husband of his human sister, daughtter who was a clone from his body! Adam and Eve children marry one another from different pregnancy. And it is obvious that the grandchildren marry one another as cousins.

They say Noah's son slept with him. Lot's daughters had sex with him as if the world ended up without any man alive, except their father. They ignorantly forgot that Abraham was alive with men and women living in the community which he lived, where the Angels who destroyed Lot's community informed Abraham of their mission, and "birth of Isaac" to he and wife Sarah.

By the way, I wonder where Hajah and Ishmael were at the time the Angels visited? How old was Ishmael? Its interesting to pay attention that Sarah had to command Abraham to send Ishmael and his mother "away (where exactly except that she was a mean spiritted woman?)". We also learnt that the sin of Ishmael, was what is natural between big brother and little brother, siblings. If Isaac was emotional about being teased by his big brother that his mother was prompted to command the friend of God to do as she commanded, then Ishmael must have grown a big to the big size that it will take a strong man to carry him on the shoulder for such a long journey!

We must find it unbelievable that the fagile young african woman from Egypt, Hajar can carry strong young man teenager Ishmael even across the room, considering that he, Ishmael was 13 years the elder of young Isaac! I sometimes wonder how the intelligentias of Christendom have not been able to discover how "out of this world" is the silly idea that Hajar carried Ishmael in the long journey!

@folami86: The Qur'an speaks about the early afternoon prayer (Al Dhur) in Surah Mumin. Salah Asr is spoken highly about being safegaurded. In many ahadith, Allah's Messenger (SAW) speaks about the time period that Adam was created to be "between "Salatul Asr and Salatul Magrib" on Friday. Muslims have 5 compulsory Salah, daily. Many people make more than 5 daily since they make night prayers.

It is unIslamic to have less than 5 salah, everyday. A person who does not make these 5 salah everyday is out of Islam, until he/she returns to it.


Folami86, try 5 daily salah on time for a whole year and return to tell us about your experience.

@Horus; The answer to the question of the poster is the same as yours - Muslim women are not "Brainwashed" by Islam. The ones who are born into it, and the ones who reverted back into it, have the same "human qualities" of choice to accept or reject commandments of Allah and that of His Messeneger (SAW), in the same free will of choice like every "Non Muslim woman." There is no one who can tell me that a white women who is lives in Texas with her white American husband is brainwashed, if she is a Muslim and obeys Allah as prescribed in Qur'an. And obeys Muhammad (SAW) as she obeserves sunnah. Is there a way for a "black woman" in New York City to be brainwashed, by Islam, in America, today, post 911?

Yesterday, a friend of mine was relating to a group of us, over the phone how he caught his wife in the past without hijab and khimar, after she had left the house fully clothed. She took it off outside, because her mother who was not a muslim was "brainwashing" her away from "obedience to Allah's command to cover" in the Qur'an; Surah Mumin and Surah Azhab.He did not even make a reference to it, as if he did not see her in "not Islamic out of the house appearnce", which affected the conscience of the woman, because her hypocrasy was exposed.

This woman today never goes out without hijab and khimar. And those of us who are her husband's friends have never seen her or her teenage daughters, in their home without been properly clothed. Obedience is to Allah, alone. It is He Who will judge on that day. Obedience to Muhammad (SAW) is based on commandment of Allah to believers to obey him (SAW).

In essence, if you do good it is for your own benefit. If you do evil as in disobedience to Allah's Authourity, it is on you and no one else. No bearer of burden (humans, Jesus is an example since some people do claim that he absorbs their burdens, and jinns, Satan is an example since some people do claim that he makes them do evil and hence he bears the burdens) shall bear the burden of another. You are responsible for your own success or failure in the eye of your Creator.

Finally the term "brainwashed", is relative. A disbeliever may see a believer's obedience to Creator, by doing what is injuction upon him, as being already brainwashed! But the disbeliever does not see his own actions of disobedience as being rebellious to his Creator and as being "brainwashed" already by the devil/satal, who makes such "evil and rebellious acts" seemingly fair and beautiful to him.

Can a person who is disobedience to his Creator not be called "brainwashed into disobedience?" Sure. The believers have the right to say that a disbeliever (Kafir) is brainwashed by Satan away from True Believer (Islam).

Shout up Huxley. That kinda language is uncalled for. Jesus was an elect of your Creator. At least my Creator and the Creator of those african elders you came from.