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Ahadith(s) explain the verse(s) of Qur'aan. Sunnah is action that is compartible with Qur'aan. In view of the fact that Qur'aan is the material which ahadith and sunnah expantiate on, making the verses clear, then if you read or hear about an ahadith or a sunnah, it must definitely agree with the Qur'aan for it to be considered valid.

If you are to hear or read about an ahadith or sunnah that disagrees with the Qur'aan, it is definitely fabricated and can never be authentic. Islam comes to elevate the humanity of human beings. If you are to read or hear any ahadith or sunnnah that debases humanity as it will definitely not elevate him over all creations, in conscience, deeds, thoughts and value system, etc, then, could this be anything but a lie?

An ahadith or sunnah that is sound will definitely agrees with the heart of a believer, who will relate it to the prophet (AS). If you hear of something that you can not relate to the prophet, eg like a husband or father who does not love his family, there is no doubt that this lack of compassion between members of the same family is not Islamic. An ahadith that encourages such a disunity is not sound.

Relate every ahadith to Qur'aan and the messenger (AS) whom it is revealed upon. You will definitely know it when a ahadith is fabricated.

@Bawolomo: « #56 on: Today at 06:59:47 PM »

most Children rebel, shouldn't they come back to Allah if they are raised with strong Islamic principles.

They will in the future. But the future is not the present. But until the future, the parents will just have to worry and pray for Allah/God Mercy on the child. That used to ask could be used to seek for other important things, if marriage to disbeliever was avoided, at the start. Who likes to complicate his life? For sure not me. Thats why I am sticking by my Muslim woman. I dont want that kinda test!

Isn't it worrisome if Christianity prevails in most of these relationship?? It seems u are saying Christianity is the easy way out. Is the "truth" too complex for the young ones?

The truth is complex for many minds, including yours, man. No wonder the children find truth hard to swallow.
Bawomolo, am sorry man, the truth hurts. You live in Chitown. Look around man. Islam has gained many matured souls. There are Nigerian Masajid in there. I know. I have seen many of them in New York for dawah.

@Okunoba: « #857 on: Today at 08:42:28 AM »

I said kids should be thought other religions and I will add the theory of evolution to it, so they can make up their own mind when older.

When you become a parent, since from your speech, you are not, raise your child to walk shamelessly naked down the street. Let him or her believe that nudity is a natural thing that can be expressed anywhere, anytime. If you find this position ackward, then know that those of us who believe in existence of "worthy of worship Allah/God" see you proposal above worse than ackward. By the way can you show us a fossil or skeleton of evolving man from his ancestor the ape (half man and half ape)? Or the fossil of tree and what it came out of, or tree and what came out of it? How did ebony tree came, and how did mahogany tree came? I could have spoken about the spruse trees or the poplar, or the red tree, but they are more north America locals, but Mahogany and ebony are at least known by africans?

Just to excite your mind abit; show us the fossil/skeleton of Monkey and Baboon or Ape or Gorilla as one is evolving from the which it evolved. At least there must have been death in some of the animals when they are part this and part that! I wanna see it, Mr. Evolution, since you don't believe in existence of God, I think.

All the talk of knowing god exist and has a specific order/ command is what you have been told with no prove to back it up and all u are doing is just reciting the same words. Can u give me a monotheist religious country in the world that is humane? Most do the most inhumane things in the name of god, using morality laws to oppress and abuse their people especially the women. One thing u said that i do believe in is the doctrine of "live and let live" and that includes "morality'

If you use what you call religious country as your yardstick to doubt existence of Allah/God, then this is just your folly. You should have looked in the Book(s) that those religious people are supposed to use, to see if they are following the guidance and laws given to them. First the Book(s) will be what you may know if these religious countries and their leadership and individual citizens are following the religion(s), at all. Also it will help you to know about this religion(s) and the books.

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This is the answer to the question; why are we here on earth?

If only someone out there had the answer to that question, the reality is nobody knows and that is the void religion fills.

Sure, the answer of why are we here is already answered. Except people like you refuse to even ask yourselves; how do I come about, the way I am, instead of being like a lion, or a tree or even a metal? That will lead you to know that whoever made you what you are, instead of letting you come out like a Donkey or an Ass (animal), have set you apart and above these other things.

Then you can ask the question why are you here. Firts the One who made you come out as human is Allah/God Himself, as the Sole Creator. Then He says that He did not create you except that you may worship Him. Please read about both of these matters in the Qur'aan because there will a Judgement day, which is similar to after the examination, there is a day when the results are announced or posted or mailed out. You will know whether you have passed or need to repeat the course or the whole academic class. This is human process. But Allah/God process is different. It is the final, the ultimate. If you pass, by His Mercy, you will be rewarded with Paradise. If you fail, by His Judgement of fairness, you will receive punishment in Hell.

« #858 on: Today at 08:42:44 AM »
@Olabowale
You obviously think slavery is right, since the Koran doesn`t condemn it.

I did not obviously say that. However thats the reality of war. Today, a society like US have dominated the world to the point that many Iraqi and Afghanis believe that they are have been made into slaves of America. Have you forgotten about the many rapes and killing that took place and many more of such atrocities must have been unreported? Did you forget about Abu Ghurib, where muslim men were told to be "naked aand pile up on top of one another, in a demeaning and sexually lude manner" in front of men and women soldiers, while been "terrorized and frightened out of their minds" with Dogs? My friend Okunoba, Oppression is worse than Killing. I remember seeing muslim corpses stretched out nakedly while some woman took picture with it. They dead and living were treated like animals. Think about it. That war brings between people. I hope you are not that naive.

How did u become a Muslim? Did u choose it or ur parents chose it for u because that`s what they are.

I was born by a Christian Mother. Now you have no complaint about my being a muslim. My case is even easier, compared to the blacks and white and others from none muslim enviroments who became muslims, and their parents followed them after they see remarkable improvements in their persons.

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What age do people vote in Israel or are allowed to mary legally? do u think it`s at 13[/quote]I have seen people who became parents even at younger ages. What are you talking about, man?

I used most not all, start university at 18, u have cited a few exceptionally gifted kids that finish university early. What do u have against kids being thought the teachings of other religions when young so they can choose which one they like, when they are older. Please be civil in your response.

I have nothing against how you raise your child. You shouldn't have any thing against how I raise mine. Which my boy way little, the crack epidemic was just breaking out in the US. I used to tell him that what he should try not to copy is the behavior of the crack heads, who were always strung on or their children that you see being unruly.

While you raise your child the way you want, I will use that child as the example of how not to raise mine. The absence of evil is always good, and definitely not evil! To you your way(s), and to me mine way.

@Bawomolo: « #53 on: Today at 06:26:26 AM »

Why aren't the children swayed to the "truth" of the koran.

The same reason people, especially young people will engage in riskie actions (immoral sexual acts, even with the danger of catching HIV, other transmittal diseases or becoming a parent and "spouse" to a wrong partner), drinking, smoking and snorting, or inhaling (glue, paints, etc) and drag racing, as in playing Chicken, etc. Inshort, just because it is seductive, looks good from the outside, since personal responsibility is shun (put all of that on Jesus death on the cross). Is there a reality with the Creator in this reason; Jesus takes all their sins? Of course, no!

Just like men piercing their ears to wear earring, this days. I hope you blokes are not earring wearers? Is there a real estetic quality to it, except that a man is changing his appearance to look like a woman, since there is no real romantic or masculine projection through it? And Bawomolo, you must have heard the true saying; Truth is bitter? Really who is a muslim except a true believer, considering that it constrains or curtails so much of your "freedom", compared to Christianity that allows you to do all that you want, when you want it, as long as you belief in the death!


@davidylan (m): « #54 on: Today at 06:56:56 AM »

Why dont they ever end up as muslims?

The same reason you don't end up being a Doctor, even though you have the brain! Well, just like you said to me; I dont wanna spend many more years studying. The same way people want the easy way out. Afterall, a mere testimony that Jesus will save them by his "death on the cross" makes the "High Level Allah (God) Who is Invisible, etc, accepting Muhammad (AS) as the Messenger to be followed, making 5 Salah every day, giving Zakah and Sadaqah, Fasting, making Pilgrimage, and doing good and shunning evil (illegal sex as in fornication with boyfriend and or girlfriend, homosexualism, and many other heartsore and eyesore behaviors) the more unappealling.

Its too much hard work, just like too much of the years to study medicine. Yet a musician who put his heart to it, with determination and great perseverance and adequate focus, will in less than a decade becomes an MD!

By the way, it is not true that they never end up as muslims. My sister and I are both muslims, from a "christian mother" to a Muslim father (ra). Thank Allah, the same "christian mother" is today a "muslim mother!" It is harder, and the chance of the children going to the mother side is high since she is the nurturer. Who should have to start out with such an unpredictability?

@Okunoba: « #855 on: Yesterday at 10:49:47 PM »

@Olabowale
We all know today slavery is wrong, for any religion to think it`s alright to posses slaves is wrong and immoral.

Is there a place in the Bible where the word "slave" is written, used in a sentence? Then relate to it the same as you relate to it in the Qur'aan. You may deny that the verse is not valid in the Bible. Your problem is that you are so shortsighted that you can't imagine that the same condition that allowed it before can actually come in play sometimes in the future. Same in Qur'aan. Afterall, the muslims are not capturing anybody enmasse in slavery.

The US constitution's 13th amendment abolished slavery, but permits slavery as in the punishment for conviction of crime. The prisoners don't get paid and they dont get to vote and they definitely forfeit their "rights!"

I don`t get the puberty talk.

It is to debunk your age 16 as the bench mark for adulthood. Afterall, the Jews set age 13 as the age of maturity.

We are not allowed to choose a major until we get to university which for most is at 18,

Not all. In America, some start college/university even without finishing high school. Many have graduated university at as young as 12, and others, through 19, before the usiual 21 or 22.

from nursery to the end of high school we learn about different subjects which allows us to know what we like or don`t like. Can u imagine if you were only thought science in high school.

I almost knew from Elementary School that i love Sciences and would not want to study history and other humanities. So your statement is not actually applicable.

I leave the answer to ur imagination. Children need to be exposed to different religions so they can decide the best for them, when they are more matured instead of being brainwashed from a early age with one religion. What do u think?

I think you rae wrong. A person who has no fundamental guidance from youth may oftehn grow up without moral compass. It is better for a person to be an orphan than to have passed through youth without knowing that God exists and has a specific order/command for us. This is the answer to the question; why are we here on earth?

@SpiralEx: You forgot the Children of Israel prophets; from Moses to Solomon, who warred all the way after crossing the sea and even after settling in Palestine.

I even ignore the other silly points that you have made. I guess you have no religion. For us who have religion(s), your statement amounted to criticism! Yet I really think that your choice about no religion is respected. Respect mine, too. And many people are matured or reach puberty at ages younger than 16. The Jews for example consider their people matured at 13. Thats why the bermitva.

@Okunoba: « #847 on: Yesterday at 09:11:11 PM »

If only we could see the light and understand that all the god talk is man made. Mans religion to satisfy his need for power and control.
We are all a product of our upbringing. We are Muslims and Christan's in most cases because that is what we have been fed from childhood. It would be nice if kids were allowed to learn about all the major world religions and our traditional religions, then decide at 16 which they think is the right one for them. Sadly enough kids are never given this choice. They are brain washed from a very early age to believe in what their parents think is the right religion. I just read about sleeping with what the right hand posses, meaning slaves, yet no one seems to thing it`s wrong to condone slavery.Surat chapt 23. Where is the ability to reason in a fair and just manner.

Since you managed to play as if you did not remember, the enboldened is what am refering to.

You live in England. Naomi Campbell is a british women, known even here in the US. Alot of black men wouldn't mind having her as a wife. As a nigerian, from your name, just imagine if she was alotted to you as a spoil of war. Are now getting my point? Think hard man. A slave woman is still a woman, duuh!

Wake up, unless you are a "nice boy."

Things are human are alsways natural. Not the fakery that you are suggesting, Okunoba.

You criticised the Qur'aan. You spoke on slavery, Chapter 23. Well. Think man. You who couldn't keep yourself away from a girlfriend, have the gut to talk about a master who may sleep with a beautiful slave, who may be at the height of her sexuality.

I am hoping that you are just joking, deceitfully. Otherwise, I summit that you have no clue about the need of human. Just because a woman is a slave does not mean that she is not a human being.

You must have heard about the white women sleeping with black slaves.

Dear Okunoba; let assume that you are victor party over the vanquished Naomi Campbell party. I hope if she was given to you as a "slave", you will not be foolish enough to let her experience womanhood. If you are that foolish, you will see that many of your friends, may ask you let them have her, and give you in her palce, a man.

If Naomi Campbell, Tyra Banks, Kenya Moorr, Pam Grier and the like are given to me, as slaves, they will not suffer as women in my home.

By the way, 16 is not the age or maturity or assigned year for puberty.

@Davidylan: « #12 on: February 11, 2009, 05:31 PM »

Quote from: bilms on February 11, 2009, 03:25 PM
yes prophet ismail is the father of arab.

but u have to read from the source.


What "source"? Mohammad was not there, he had no first hand knowledge and virtually all you have relies on bogus claims of revelations.

That "bous claim" as his (AS) source have 100% refuted all your "original" claims, which is actually from copies instead of original since you say they are versions, and editions of the versions. Now who is bogus? Seriously!

1. We know that Ishmael's mother and wife were both EGYPTIANS (certainly not arabs)

And you are an Ijebu Ode boy. So am I too. But neither of us have our mothers coming out of Ijebu Ode, except as wives of Ijebu men! Whats your point, here? People claim their paternal lineage and not maternal, except those who are bastards.

2. We know that Ishmael settled in PARAN - which is no where near the Arabian peninsula

The Arabs say who they are. You darn orientalist want us to believe that they are wrong about their own History? Were you there when they were formed, or you have received revelations about it? By the way, if they were going to lie, based on how the Bible have spoken ills about Ismail (AS), why would they have to pick him, instead of say Isiaq (AS), or somebody not so vilified? What so special about paran that they have to clamor for it as the land of their father Ismail, instead of a fertile land?

3. We also glean from the hillariously unstable hadiths that Ishmael learnt arabic language and customs from the Jurhums . . . if Ishmael was the father of arabs then how come they already existed before he was born?

You can learn alot from a Dummy; are you sure you are not that figure being used in auto crash tests? Please, who is the father of Hebrew language and why is the father (Israel) of Children of Israel called the father of "Hebrew people?"

I am now playing with the mind of my dear son, David. lol. I love this. Osharo Jimo.

4. We cant find anything about the history of Jurhums ANYWHERE.

With all due respect; have you lost your mind, man? Aren't the person, just above using this same "Jurhum people" argue "Arab language and its origin, relative to Ismail?" darn deceitful lad. I will call you this weekend. You better pick up. Let me slap you on the right cheek, first and then turn the left one. After that if I am try to put size11 up or down to where it doesn't shine, then say old man, thats enough. LOL.

Rather than copy and pasting meaningless stories you're best served giving us your own opinions with PROOF.

Again, go to your Library; Wikipedia. You will find tons of resources. Stop playing a blind mole (rodent) man.

Back to the question you tried to dodge - Is Ishmael the father of the arabs who existed before he was born?

Ask yourself; Is Israel, Jacob the father of Hebrew people since the language was even spoken by his grandfather Ibrahim (AS), long before he was born? You are a funny man. Have you been a guest host on Leno, or Conan or David? I think Letterman because of the common name, David. He is goofy, aint he?

@Davidylan: « #20 on: Today at 01:00:45 AM »

Olwabowale . . . address the flaw first. this islamic attitude of hiding the quran's defficiencies by crying . . . "see here see here!" wont help.

You are so goneho to prove a point that you mispelled my name. This is even the window to your personality flaw. I hope you will read through and not capitulate and claim amnesia.

All due respect sir, this is frankly stupid.

It is absolutely NO surprise that it was common of the biblical jews to trace their lineage back to their most popular ancestor.

Exactly the point of Muhammad (AS), which the Bible supported. And for Mary, mother of Jesus it was Aaron (AS). Allah says that the people of the Books know Muhammad (AS) as they know their own Children. True words.

[/quote][quote]1. Psalm 103:7 He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.

Mary was a child of Israel. And she was attached as a sister to the brother of Moses. By this alone she was also the brother of Moses! The highest honor of lineage or personage a Jew can give another Jew.

- The phrase "children of Israel" refered to everyone who considered himself a descendant of Jacob/Israel. Did Jacob physically impregnate all their mothers?

You supported Muhammad (AS) without a doubt. Same way that Aaron is not in the generational time of Mary. Did Muhammad say that Mary was physically sister next to Aaron? Your own words are against you, omo.

2. John 8:39 They (the jews) answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

I summit that if Mary was sister of Aaron, they expected her not to be a Baby mama without a Papa! You see how relevant the Bible is proofing the authority of Muhammad (AS).

- Did they mean to say that Abraham physically impregnated their mothers?

Did Muhammad (AS) mean to say that Aaron and then by relationship Moses and later generation person Mary were all born by the same mother to the same father?

There is no point trawling through the bible to show you examples . . . your haste to say something seems to have dampened your ability to critically think through your point. Find another flaw pls, this "example" is a shame to your intellect.

I agree with you, because your Bible has proven Muhammad right. But as smart as you are, your warped ideology in religion actually clouded your judgement, hence you did not know that Allah is using you to dig into your Bible and prove Muhammad right!


Actually I woke up this morning wanting to approach the usual Christian saying that Muhammad got it wrong, because he was so eager to disprove Jesus. Lets take a look at the life of Muhammad; he was a Makkan. He was not a Jew, but an Arab. Which group should be more important to him, since his language is Arabic, addressing Arab people in Arab land?

As far as one can see, it has to be the Arabs by location, language and population. Yet he managed not to pander to their idolatry. He, as an Iconoclast single handedly by speech, alone from Qur'aan which he claimed was from his LORD, destroyed over 360 idols, united the fragmented people to rival every peoples on earth.

From Muhammad's time onward, the Arabs have remained on world stage, irrespective of all the huffing and puffings of others. Muhammad liberated the Arab women and indeed all women. My wives, none bears my family name, without their own. In all cases, a muslim woman, when married must retain her father's name. If its done by other people, they will call it women liberation, yet this is the norm in Islam.

Muhammad made everyone responsible for his or her own actions, not depending on a hand made idol, like the Oguns, etc, or human idol, like Jesuses, etc, or whatever to intercede with the Creator. I wonder if speaking about the truth is now, in the eyes of the christians a way to malign Jesus, when you the christians are the ones maligning Jesus by lying against him, before his Lord?

If Muhammad (AS) was to have maligned Jesus (AS), why he Muhammad (AS) honored the mother of Jesus (AS) Mary more explicitly than the way the christians did? Unlike the Catholics. Why even acknoledged Jesus at all, except that the truth spoken by Muhammad (AS) of Jesus (AS), is the absolute and 100% complete truth, without hiding a single event, sentence, word, or letter!

@Davidylan; « #18 on: Yesterday at 10:48:17 PM »

Quote from: muhsin on Yesterday at 09:55:39 PM
Please remember that Islam ITSELF is flawless. What is flawed are (SOME of) the ppl following the religion and not the religion itself, says one of my uncle.


Flaw 1 - how is Aaron refered to as the brother of Mary the mother of Isa when he died centuries earlier?

Flaw #1Trillion from the Bible; how is Jesus the son of King David, when David didnt get the "virgin" pregnant? Is this from the grave or a throwback? How are you son of Adam, David? Aren't you a flaw, David?

More flaws coming . . . flawless indeed. You goons just bleat the stuff they sell to you in the masalasi every friday without engaging your brains.

keep your flawed questions, coming, omo. I will go country with you. I have flaws numbering quadtrillion to gadzillion in my file. You will sweat bullet, faa!

the hijab has to be worn in the heart, first before outwardly. it is like the male's beard, because it is what announces you to the world that you are a muslim woman. read it in surah Ahzab. but then, the hair and neck must be covered. unlike what is on the page, it still could be fashionable and meet all Allah's Injuctions.

And in the Qur'aan we read Allah saying that I command creation with a simple Command; Be!

He the Almighty says to Muhammad (AS); I tell you the story (Qasas), in truth since you were not "there!"

Are these not words? Is the Qur'aan not a Book of "words?" Allah told (word transmitted) the Angels; I am going to create man as my viceroy (ambassador) on the earth. I wonder what "word" we are still arguing about that Allah did not speak?

He Allah sent "Jibril", His Angel to Mariam, with words of giving her the "good news" of a schild to be born. Are these not words? Without Allah, the Angel will never have came down. Jesus would never have been born by his mother.

Is there any power that allah does not have? He even gave me power of speech; words coming out of my mouth!

@Davidylan: « #14 on: Today at 01:00:49 AM »

allah never claimed to have spoken any word . . . pls dont plagiarise the book of John . . . Christ IS THE WORD.

Qur'aan; is that not a Book containing words? Muhammad (AS) said it is from Allah. is that not Allah's word? Now from the Qur'aan, we read the words by which the deatils of the "whole creations" are made clear to us. By the way, there is no need to palgiarise any Bible. To you the christ is the word. To me before the "word" was spoken, by the Only One Who can give speech, Allah Himself, He was all alone, and complete in that state, too.

If allah was capable of "knowing everything" how come he forgot that Aaron died thousands of yrs before and could not be Jesus Christ's uncle?

David is called because of his Ijebu Odeness; Omo Obanta.
David is called because of his Yoruba fatherness; Omo Oduduwa.
David is called because of his human beingness; Omo Adam.

Notice that no one of the individuals listed is actually the husband of his mother, the man whom his last name David uses. Why have you not fought anyone from calling you Omo Obanta, or Omo Oduduwa or Omo Adam? yet look at the many generation between you and Adam?

Is it therefore out of protocol that Mary the mother of your god, Jesus is called Sister of a noble man; Aaron, who is a prophet (having responsibility) alongside the Messenger prophet Moses (AS)?

There used to be a thief from Ijebu Ode who was killed in 1972. His name was Ishola Oyenusi; I did not list him as one of those people you could be called his son. Why? Because he was not a noble man. The yorubas will say Owo ni nje mo ba e ton. Oshi ni nje ta lo mo e ri (We humans are always aligned with nobility and we shun failures).

We are tired of story telling . . .

Me, too. But wait; is jesus not called son of David? How? Please consider the generational gap and the fact that "no man touched Mary his mother?" How about calling him son of Joseph who did not get his mother pregnant? I wonder if the capenter was even married to his mother, before the pregnancy? If he was, then he was a darn fool not to have touched her before the prgnancy. If he was not, then the account of him being her husband is another cloud, yet again!

@**Osisi: « #105 on: Today at 03:41:42 AM »

olabs I asked a simple question.
show me the scripture where children of God go to a lake of fire

If the Bible is the "Scripture", then I ask you; is there "lake of fire (hell)" on at least a page of the "New Testament?" The answer is yes.

Who is the Bible talking to? Christian. Who will Jesus say "I do not know you" to? Some Christian, even as they tell him; master we casted out demons in your name. Do Christians call themselves "Children of God?" Yes. Now those who Jesus will say he does not know, will they go to Christian heaven like the ones he does not not reject? No. Thats your answer for you. My darling, I know you can use deductive reasoning. If you can get 1 God from 3 distinct entities, the fact that some Christians will be in hell, since not all will be in heaven, should be elementary to you.

very simple question
open your Bible na

I don't have to open the Bible. You have helped me on nairaland enough to know that there is lake of fire; hell, and some christians will be rejected by Jesus on that day and his rejection will mean that they belong to hell. I also know that every Christian denies his father who gave his mother the pregnancy but then clings to "God the Father" and or "God the son" while never does that father child relationship with "God the holy ghost."

It is the same Christians that will be rejected by Jesus, not be cause they do not say that they are "children of god" or even that they did not perform "miracles" in Jesus name. There is a sinister reason that they will be rejected. And for sure those who are rejected by Jesus will not enter Paradise. And let me excite you; those who reject Jesus will not enter paradise, too. That in a sense lump the Jews to hell, oh sorry lake of fire.

And those who reject any prophet will not enter paradise, for sure. Any suggestion? lol.

@**Osisi: « #71 on: Today at 04:00:31 AM »

The birth of John the Baptist is in the Bible
what does the Koran say about him?

Surah Mariam; Allah told Yahya to take up the Torah with full strength. That means study it. Then he was enjoined with Salah and Zakah and kindness and justice. He was told that he should respect his parents and not to be over brearing. That is happy the day he was born, so it will the day he will die (as a true believer) and the day he will be raise up (knowing that he will enter paradise). Is there anything needed to know? If you read the tafsir of these ayah in Al Imran, Mariam, Ambiyya, and others, you will know that he was a link in the chain of prophethood.

what was his mission?

To guide people of his time, and period and nation(s) on the right path. If you read his father's prayer, in Surah Al Imran, you will know. His father was concern that the house of Yaqub will have no guard who is given guidance after he dies. He feared the children of Israel regressing, as they did even when Musa was not with them, which loed them to the golden calf!

who did he baptize in the Koran since you can't be a baptist without baptizing someone

Bermitva is adminster at the age of 13 years, which is a maturity rite within the jewish culture. It is admistered by "knowledgeable people." I have said that Yahya was learned. Now, you guys must show us that Jesus did not get bermitvaed. He would have to be the first to get "baptised, instead of bermitva!" Can you tell us who was baptised before among the children of Israel, instead of being Bermitvaed?

or did the goat under aisha's bed eat that part of the koran too?

I often think about "desert city of Madina" when I hear people talk about Muhammad (AS). Now, how many"goats roaming around, that the house of the Messenger of Allah will have to be their "gathering place?" Men are even warned by Allah in Surah Azhab, not to disturb or engage the prophet in mundane matters.

How can the most important thing "the Qur'aan" be left in places that "goats could get to and eat?" I remember that Surah Taha part that Umah (RA) heard which led him to Islam, was wrapped in "cloth." Now, is what you said was eating under Aisha's bed the only "copy" of that part of the Qur'aan and that part was not memorized, even by the "Messenger Prophet", and the companions?

My dear, think about it.

@**Osisi; « #69 on: Today at 03:50:12 AM »

have you shelved your Bible like your Koran?
why don't you read the birth and purpose of John the Baptist as it relates to Jesus

You didn't answer my question. But then, no. I have my Qur'aan at an easy reach. I have to read it everyday, you know. Even a single verse. I must.

I know about Yahya, his father and cousin Isa bin Mariam (AS), in the Qur'aan.

@Davidylan: « #20 on: February 10, 2009, 12:05 AM »  

and yet you go around lying that the biblical prophets who died centuries before we knew anything about arabic were muslims?

They didn't have to speak arabic before they were Muslims. Allah says in Surah Maidah that He "Completed" Islam on the watch of Muhammad (AS). This simply means Islam have been around, in still "work in progress" before Muhammad. So in the Qur'aan, we see Ibrahim (AS), saying he was the first Muslim in his "generation". Read Surah An Am; Chapter 6. As Messengers and prophets, they could not have different religions. Obviously Jesus was not the "founder of christianity!" So Christianity is out.

The religion of Noah was not Judaism. That nullifies Judaism, right there. All these messengers and prophets had their own brands of Islam, since they worship none but One God the Creator and enjoined their nations to do the same.

Since arabic is relatively a new language . . . and muslim prayers were ORIGINALLY penned in arabic what prayers were your fictious "prophets" (ALL of whom were Jewish or progenitors of the jewish race) saying and to whom and in what language?

I wonder how "relatively new" arabic is, as a language, when compared with hebrew? Is this not the same arb that you are arguing that was even a spoken language before "Ismail" (AS), by the Jurhum arab tribes from yemen who settled in Makka? Now tell us which is older; yemeni arab or palestinian hebrew language? It is obvious that Ibrahim was not speaking Hebrew in Ur, where he migrated from. Only an insincere mind will be blind to one side of the story. Fortunately the two sides are obvious and Ibrahim featured, prominently in both.

Was allah answering Hebrew and aramaic prayers?

Allah answered the prayers of Ibrahim, even while he was still in Ur. Allah answered the prayer of Noah, even before Ibrahim. Allah answered the prayer of Musa in Egypt. Please know that Musa did not speak "hebrew!" he probably spoke the Coptic language that was the national language since he did not grow with the "Slaves", the children of Israel!

why did he suddenly change his mind and choose arabic? You people shoot yourselves in the foot with all these nonsense.

And God did not come in as a human, until you said he was Jesus. Yet no one before then saw him. Why did he change his mind in this case? This is a serious issue, seriously! The language change fits the Messenger and prophet in question. Should there be a need for revelation to come to a Makka in any other language than what is native to Makkans, if he was to lead Makkans to prominence?


[Quote]
Was Solomon a muslim? He certainly didnt speak arabic!   You people are beyond confused.[/quote]Solomon had a relationship with Bilquis. I wonder, if Bilquis was not a believer, because her tongue was not the same with Sulaiman (AS). By the way they say that Bilquis' grave is outside Ijebu Ode. I wonder how she got there, from Ethiopia, except that her Kingdom must have extended to where she died!

Did Allah not create all people and all their languages? Even Muhammad (AS) the slave servant of allah was reported to respond to every one in their own native tongue. No one ever interpreted any language of his guest or audience for him.
Part of the miracles.


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Yeah . . . again you skipped my point . . . try setting up a small house fellowship in Saudi Arabia or bringing in a bible. Tolerant my ass![/quote]Makka and Madina, along with their vicinities are forbidden for Kufar, by Allah. And no one can do anything about it.  

« #21 on: February 10, 2009, 12:06 AM »  
It cant be much worse than stoning the devil.

Sure, it is much worse. When you stone the "devil", you are at least tell him that you aint part of his crew, no way, jose!

How do you use physical stones to beat a spirit?

Your physical effort, at least says plenty. Just imagine if you can get hold of him! We are humans. We are physical. We use the weapon that is within our realm to deal with what we dont see. Its like telling yourself not to do evil. So you enter the house, and go to bed, when your mind is arguing with you to go paint the city red, on saturday nite!

The devil must be laughing at you since u're all coming to pay him a visit by an irrevocable decree of allah in sura 19:71 anyway.

The rite of that stone throwing was in the rememberance of the Slaughtering process of father Ibrahim and son Ismail. If the devil was laughing, just imagine the reality of our refusing him, and hating him so much that we are stoning him? Can we be part of his crew, especially when we are even following the foot step of Ibrahim. We are unlike those whom he already gotten, under his control yet they don't know?

I wonder why the Muslims are the only ones in rememberance of Ibrahim's slaughtering of his son, by the command of his Lord? It it was Isiaq, the muslims would not hesitate to say it, since they have been sincere on everything so far. It must have been Ismail, since the good news of Isiaq and his son Yaqub was given at the same time. And do you kill a person that you said will be a father, before he is mature to even bear a baby? Why will God work against His own "news and promise" to Sarah?

I thought the question that needed to be answered is "who anoited" Jesus after John Baptized him? Was that anointer worthy of worship ahead and above Jesus, since Jesus couldn't have anoited himslef? If he anoited himself, I wonder why he didn't baptise himslef, instead of John doing it, since John was not elevated or gained any status by it?

@**Osisi: « #99 on: Today at 01:14:35 AM »

Tufiakwa
where's your reference?

Remember? You call him your father. Yet there is lake of fire awaiting some "Christians." All you you call God the Father, your father, or dont you?

Then you switched to "joining heir,"in your statement. I think you are talking about Jesus, then. You have to make up your mind, because you are shifting from father to son, without giving us the warning about whom you are talking about that you are attaching your relationship with. If you say they are the same entity, then you open the can of worms, again, about who died and who did not die. Who sent the other on errants and who can't be sent by the one who ran errants. We may have to talk about who was the boss between God and the "word!" Some how; I enjoy teasing you.

that is not my God

I know. Between child at a time, and heir at some other, and yet trying to be friend, while denying your real role; creature of the Almighty, I am not surprised that their is confusion and denial. It will be hard for such a mind to know God for real. Seriously.

(see I can call him my God and my father can you do same with your allah?)

I aint copy ya, no how! My father was the Alhaji who did long time ago. My God is everliving. Al Hayy.

All his children go to heaven,those who are none of his and don't live under his command are condemned to hell

Lake of fire is for some Christians, no? I am sure it is awaiting those Christians Christ will say I do not know you to. And of course, the Jews and the Muslims will not have to worry about approaching Jesus, as member of the "rejected Christians!"

I gues the rejected Chrsitains whom Jesus will say that he does noyt know, even as they tell him that they casted out demons by his name, are not Children? A child who is punished in lake of fire is not a child. A child who is judged, depending on the "mercy" is actually not a child! Seiously.

@**Osisi: « #101 on: Today at 01:26:38 AM »

Yes we're doing good.
Thanks to God the economy is not touching me and my oga too much and it shall not affect us by His grace.
I'd been wondering where you were
How madams them?
Ji de kwa k'iji my broda

Iboh lachi. lol.

I am honing on the language.

I wish you well. I am doing well. And the weather is been nice, relatively. And madams and their oga are okay.

« #100 on: Today at 01:22:11 AM »
Christ speaking says

John 15:14
And you are my friends, if you obey me.

How awesome.
He calls me friend

I thought 'God' the Father is the father, and not "God" the Son? Or am I missing something?

And a "Friend" who "demands" obedience from his "friends" is actually not a "Friend", except he was using some kinda "gimmick" if not obvious "Con game!"

What happens if you do everything but "that demanded obedience?" You are no more a "friend?" What are you if you are not a friend? A slave, a son, what? Why the need to obey so that you are a friend, when you are already a son? Is like a bad joke; a son should be in a higher level, and there should not be a need for friendship, as demand for obedience complicates the matter. The relationship should be straight and direct, without ambiquity.

Think about it. Which one is better; his child, or, the obedient friend? When you obey, you put yourself under his authority. That is no more a friend, except slave or servant. The royal bloodline does not have to obey to be a friend of the king. Thats should have been natural, and friendship should automatically be thrown in. When parent and child are close, they are friends, without the demand for "obedience." What we are seeing is instead of a whip in one hand, the carrot is used as a device to make the reluctants think that they are loved. Hence the obedience where friendship is the "reward!" And believe me, when a parent demands for obedience, he/she is no more playing "friend" but "authority!"

I know a muslim slavery is based on the dependency to the Creator and not Muhammad (AS) the Messenger Prophet, who himself ate acted like "every human being." Mary and Jesus ate and acted like that. A servant who has layers of masters overlording on him/her has a huge burden to carry. Muslims on the other hand have Allah alone, as the Master.


They yorubas have a saying: when we count the slaves, the slaves are always sad. The reason that was, those who thought that they were part of the royal blood because they were shown love were actually slaves. So when the slaves are counted, they themselves are numbered with them, too.

I wonder how "slave" came in, too. But isn't somebody a slave; servant? The good leader serves (Servant/slave) those whom he leads.

Jesus was even a servant/slave of his community.

"facts" that are from deviants, without "proofs" can never be facts, after those in the know have provided proven dissertation.

Mariam verse 71 says "pass over." Anyone who has good sense will not try to explain it away as "pass through" or pass in. There is no way that passover should not be considered as something leading to "being spared from", especially those who are "true believers!"

Dying like a "common beggar" does defies the "Charlatan" label that the non-Muslims imposed on the prophet (AS). Afterall, a charlatan will have some worldly gain as his ulterior motive. Muhammad did not become a chief of his people, nor was he wealthy, in that Oasis of "desert wealth!" He did not leave any inheritance to his family, upon his death. Has there been a man in history whose life parallel such a nobility? Never. And when you find him, let me know.

And before the "WORD" was spoken, Allah was there, alone, by Himself. He was capable of knowing everything; "The Storyteller" to Muhammad (AS), was Allah Himself. Is there any other "source" but He, alone?

A slave that has been adopted by his master and can call that master father and the master calls him son, and on top of that is a joint heir with his master.
That is no ordinary slave.
That one na slave with plenty plenty priviledges

Father punishes children with lake of fire. Are these truly, children? Joint heir who will be punished. Are these truly heirs? Heir to what? Seiously.

And there was no Sugar-coating of "Slavedom!" A slave is a slave. Some Slaves serve Allah. They depend on Him alone. He the One, The Irresistable, the Ever Living, The Knower of all things and the Owner of All Powers.

Other people called themselves slaves or "Servants" of the Gospel; "Goodnews" when was revealed in its purity. But now contains; acts, in addition to the pollution that "each" account of the "Gospel" contains. Then we see the Letters of apostles, who were not "Disciples" of the one who received what he "testified to" in the Testament!

I wonder who is a losing slave here, between the two: the one who is a slave to the Only Master of all things, whom the Master have promised Paradise in the Al Qur'aan, or, the one who is a slave to another slave?


**Osisi; I know you miss me. I am alright. You should have written. I hope the family is well? Every slave is not sold out. The Muslim slave is voluntary to the Creator. This is not like the slavery of Israel Children under Pharaoh, or, that of the Africans under the Europeans. There is no indenture slavery with Muslim to his Lord.

@Dayokanu: Which Media are you talking about? Please give me one in a major market? Maybe, your KKK established media in the bush of Alabama, Texas, Mississippi, Georgia, the Carolinas and others. But in NY, Chicago, Los Angeles, and others, you better ask somebody. Otherwise AIPAC political machines of the Jews in Washington DC will let you have it. You will be a "gonna" in a split second.