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dont worry about my writing. In the heat of argument, many things are overlooked. Just imagine your Erelu accent on speech?

Lets start from Surah Fatiha. Are you ready? You will see yourself in the group of those who are astray.

There shouldn't be any apology. I guess since I am singing the Christian songs, I must not have any brain or even a head.

Zachariah the father of John/Yahya? David read Surah Al Imran. That should help your understanding.

@Davidylan: « #26 on: Today at 08:56:11 PM »  

slowpoke forget about power now, that isnt the issue. have you addressed my puzzle instead?

which occured? Did Jesus Christ die on the cross AND utter those words you use to claim He was weak

What if he fainted? Is fainting the same as death?
Or even being a coma. Is comatose the same as dead?
Even brain dead. Is that the same as truly dead?
Dont they use defubilators today to shock those playing dead back up to live, again?
A truly dead person does not wake up. Those who God allow to wake up were used as signs, as appropriated.
In time, each will finally die. The time of the death of jesus is not here yet. That is the reason Allah raised him up.
That paved the way, in time for the universal Messenger, Prophet Muhammad (AS) who carried and delivered the message to the whole Universe.

OR

Did Christ NOT die on the cross and thus had no opportunity to utter those words?

the puzzle in simple english:

1. those words blabs references were uttered on the cross

2. Islam is predicated around one sole fact - that Christ did not go to the cross

3. Can you reconcile the above two pls? I'm confused because Islam claims Christ, who didnt go to the cross, uttered words on the cross!

let me straighten you out. I will alley your confusion one time. You know when an ignorant perceive an issue, it probably not actually the case. You truly have  to apply the litmus test, to be sure. In the case of Jesus, Allah says that he did not die nor crucified.

So a smart person with good religious insight should believe that he was alive and did not die throughout on the cross. No wonder he was up and about in a span of two days, but definitely tess than 72 hours, after he was removed limply from the cross.

David you have seen when real gladiators beat up on each others. It takes at least few days before the one who got the short end of the stick gets better. For example, the thriller in Manila fight between Muhammad Ali and Smokey Joe Frazier, got Muhammad many days in the hospital. Yet he won the fight. Just imagine what it did to the body of Frazier?

The Rumble in the Jungle fight did almost the same. Imagine the hay days of Mike Tyson, or Holyfield?

Now that you have the above scenerios to formulate what the body of Jesus would have felt like after much punishment, it is no wonder that he looked lifeless in the eye of his enemies. If they had perceived that his breathing was only undetectable, and was not dead, since blood was still flowing in his body, without any coagulation, do you think that they would not have made sure that they he was dead?

Few years before, his cousin, John was beheaded. They could have done the same to him, even after he was taken off from the Cross. But Allah confounded the enemies of Jesus to simply believe, from visual observation and be satisfied that he was dead.

While the magicians of Egypt in the court of Pharaoh performed magic by making their sticks/rods look like snakes, Allah performed Miracles about Jesus by making Jesus looked dead in the eyes of his enemies, even though he was not.

And as to any word or words uttered on the cross, if he did not yell and show the agony of pain or defeat (made to look so; Allah says), do you not think that his enemies will want to be 1000% sure that he truly died? This miracle from from Allah is a very direct way to give false satisfaction to the enemies of Jesus.

When Oyenusi was being killed in Lagos bar beach, he continued to laugh. Then the authority took him off the stake, even though that he had stopped laughing. They pour acid on him, so that they can be sure that he actually died. But in the case of Prophet Isa bin Mariam, Allah made his enemies satisfied with whatever visual and audio signs that he exhibited. Miracle.


 

Today at 09:31:06 PM »  
1. Acknowledging the "prophethood" of Jesus is first and foremost heresy when it comes to christianity. It is what the bible refers to as the antichrist spirit that we are warned to stay away from so no i will NOT read your quran.

David just denied that Jesus was a prophet to his people. I wonder what the usage of "and iwas not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" for? Or was he son of man or son of god or god sent to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel?"

Who sent him? Who could send a god except a Bigger God, a real God this time? Not the pretenders.

2. The quran cannot be "acknowledging" the prophethood of jewish kings, leaders and prophets since it CANNOT prove that those people were muslims in the first place. Was David praying to allah in hebrew? Where are these earliest islamic prayers and why has islam suddenly shifted to arabs?

The same you a Yoruba boy in Rochester, is playing pundit about matters of the palestinians and palestine? Wow.
Now prayers could be made in any allowable language, as long as it is Allah's commandment to do so, in that language.

Let me show you that it is the obedience of the commandment that makes a person/entity a muslim. For example, Allah is the only One that one should prostrate his face to. But He Allah commanded the Angels to prostrate to Adam. It was the refusal to prostrate to Adam by the Jinn in the community of Angels, that made Iblis, the Jinn became Satan the rejected.

Then in the dream of a Prophet Joseph, even his father, Israel himself, Jacob (AS) had to prostrate to him, in Egypt. You dig?

3. Christians do not deny mohammad . . . they dont know him and have nothing to do with him. It is muslims struggling to force him into the bible.

The Jews say the same thing about Jesus.

4. I've learnt about islam, its nothing but a pack of lies and inconsistent fraud

The Jews say the same thing about Christianity.

@georgecso: Your website is a turn off. It started by saying Jesus spoke to the 7 churches through John. This is wishy washy, since Jesus had no business with any church. If he did, he would have built at least one before he left the earth.

If he spoke through John, then John would have to be taken as a prophet, because Jesus as the Christians claim is a god. What role did Paul who used to be Saul played then, since his ideas are the foundamental doctrines of christianity, today? That means that Jesus did not complete prophethood, since he was also believed by Christians as a prophet, too. What then did Jesus succeed in?

I just did not after the very statement about Jesus talking through John waited to read any more. I already know that paul dominated the basic Christian doctrine, which relegated Jesus and John, etc to supporting casts.

I need to remind **Osisi that her christian brother, believes that 80% of today's women will not enter Paradise.

The Christian said he ate Apple. But ironically, he used grapevine leaves to cover! Very unclear. Very confusing.

When he knew about his unclothedness, was it not prudent that he used the leaves from apple tree, right away, instead of searching about the places for grapevine leaves?

The Bible leaves too many chances for thinking people to poke holes at the "story." Where is the apple tree, anyway? Where is the garden of Eden in Iraq, anyway? Any Christian knows the exact spot? In the ongoing conflict in Iraq, has there been any blood shed on the ground of "Eden?"

Call the white house, man. There is a Swahili speaking blood in there.

@earTHMama: « #40 on: Yesterday at 05:31:26 PM »

You guys are slaves to Allah or Mohammed?

Muhammad (AS) and all of us are slaves and servants of Allah. Now you know. But I intend to excite you, this morning.

What kind of God enslaves his own children?.

Allah does not have any children. This is the difference between a real God and the pretenders. The pretenders are surrounded with childrens and "helper gods". Just for kicks, who is the mother or who are the mothers of all the children of the christian God, or Gods, since there are three that witness in heaven; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost? Read again. The conjuctions "coma" along with the "and" simply let you know that you have more than One God.

Thank God for Jesus because He made us princes and princesses by His sacrifice and we are no more slaves to anything rather we are small gods made in His image and likeness. I never knew there is still slavery after the one that happened in the US.

Funmi is a goddess. **Osisi is also a goddess. Davidylan is a god. Wow, every one of you is a god. Who then is the real God? If you are a god or goddess and no slave or servant anymore, why worship any God? Am sorry, I forgot that you aguys are pretenters. Before Jesus made you princes and princesses, what were you in stature? And did Jesus willingly get sacrificed?

You guys need another Abe Lincoln to challenge your allah for enslavement.

Funmi. Wake up woman. I have news for you; Lincorn is dead. Barackallah Hussaine Obama is now the President of this Unisted States. And before the slavery that happened in US, there was the one that happened in Egypt. The slaves of pharaoh then were the family members of your lord, small god, Jesus. These people were called Israelites, before they change up to Jews.




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When did muslims start calling each other 'brothers'? .[/quote]From during the lifetime of the Messenger (AS).

Jarus is a gentleman and I wouldn't like to subdue him. If it were you that married me, you will be rest assured that you will be a slave for two masters. One for your allah and the other for Erelu, the goddess of your life.

Funmi is having her own fantasy or maybe impossible wish, or allucination.



@davidylan: « #41 on: Yesterday at 06:48:18 PM »

i tire. when did slaves begin to see themselves as brothers? Are they not all merely slaves in the dungeons of their taskmaster?

What were the Hebrews/Israelites to one another under the Egyptian taskmasters? Sorry under their Tyrannical King Pharaoh and his Coptic clan/people? Sometimes, these little gods and goddesses, behave like Ogun or shango. They don't use their macaronis or marbles.

But of course the fake masters in time die. Example was Pharaoh. And the fake god or goddess, dies of or wastes away. Example was Jesus. But of course, Jesus didn't call himself a god. So the blame is on those who call him god. Like the shango worshippers, they take the blame too, unless Shango was like Jim Jones, of Jones town in Guyana. We all know what happened at the end. His worshippers ingested laced up cool aid drink. He was shot dead. The operating idea is death or wastage occurred.

@~Lady~: « #490 on: Yesterday at 07:33:55 PM »

I really don't care for this discussion so pls do not even attempt to have any dialogue with me. But I saw this and will say that technically "Jesus" is in the Old Testament.

But to show that to you, I will have to go to the original name of Yeshua. In greek the name is Joshua, and well Joshua is in the Old Testament. So Yeshua, Joshua, Jesus, all the same name are in the Old Testament.

Just wanted to point that out, but you can carry on with your discussions.

Joshua must have many lives. Joshua lived and died in the OT. Then he came back in NT as Jesus. You this girl, you fit sabi wayo. I guess he didn't finish his work, as ordinary prophet in OT. So he had to come as combination; god, son, prophet, etc named Jesus in NT, to mop up, uh?

You are still in Florida or now in Georgia? Location may determine the critical evaluation of your answer, above. Joshua, who was under Moses, like a boy boy? You make me laugh. I know why I miss you now.

@Davidylan: #30 on: Yesterday at 07:52:28 PM »

Pls show us where allah's prophecy that the jews would be destroyed has come to pass.

the biblical prophecy that the jews would be destroyed and scattered abroad to the four corners of the earth came to pass exactly as said. The prophecy that God would gather them back to Israel has also come to pass.

Care to tell us why allah's own claims are turning out to be a bogus lie?

David, so that you and babs can move on with the discussion, let me ask you to show us in the Qur'an and the ahadith, where Allah or the Messenger says that the Jews/Children of israel will be destoyed?

While you are at it, the end of time is not here yet, so your being confused that a statement from the Qur'aan or a prophecy from Muhammad (AS) is not yet fulfilled is premature. Now consider that even you the Christians are ready and the Jews are aware that the christians are hurrying up to get to the end time, so that they can put forth a 2 option scenerio before the Jews; Renounce Judaism by converting to Christianity or be slaughtered.

Now your own Bible is talking about annihilation of the jews in that very idea. So wait and I am also waiting. But for me, i do't want the end to come just yet. But am waiting for the Qur'aanic verse or the numbered adith statement about the destruction of the Jewish people. Please show it to me, in realtionship to before the end of time. I have already show you that the Christians are ready to destroy them at the end of time.

@thehomer: « #7 on: Yesterday at 11:29:40 PM »

Jesus a muslim? But he lived over 600 years before Islam. Technically, he couldn't have been a Christian since the religion was based on him.

Before Adam (AS), there was Islam. Muslims were the Angels. What is Islam? Submission to Allah. Who is a Muslim? Those who submit to Allah, knowing with full conviction of knowledge that Allah is their Only Lord, God the Creator. So Adam was a muslim, and the first muslim on earth, from the human race. Moses was the first muslim in his generation. Jesus was a muslim, but not the first in his generation, since he was in the same generation as his cousin John and the father of John, Zachariah. And of course, Mary his mother.

The homer, let me throw you into confusion because of your technicality. What is the religion of Jesus? Unless he had no religion, could his religion be different from that of father Abraham, who was alive and dead before Judaism could ever started? Proof; he did not go with Jacob and sons (lets leave the daughters out of the argument, because that will be another can of worms), to Egypt under the elevation of Joseph. Even Isaac did not go.




@**osisi: « #8 on: Yesterday at 11:35:35 PM »

Thank God an independent observer sees the stupidity in the claim that Jesus was a Muslim.
How could he be a Muslim when Mohammed ,the founder and originator of Islam was born hundreds of years after the birth,death,resurrection and ascencion of Jesus.

The Yoruba people were yorubas when they got to Western part of Nigeria, or before? I have an opinion that they were already yorubas when they separated from the larger/mother group and decided to undertake the journey which finally led them to their present place in Nigeria. This is a set up for my core argument.

An Igbo woman migrated to America, from Aba. So she said to a friend from Ankara, Turkey that she is an Umochukwu woman. So the Ankara woman ignorantly told a friend from Tehran that this Igbo woman is the first Umochukwu person, ever. But an Igbo man was listening, to the two ignorant persons conversation about Umochukwu people. Of course, he had to tell them that before they met the Dr. from Aba, in Texas, there had been many Umochukwu who lived in Texas. Infact, most residents of Aba are Umochukwu people.

**Osisi. Now you dig? Before Jesus, before Muhammad, definitely there were muslims, bowing their wills to Allah. Ibrahim was not a Jew and was not a Christian. Definitely, was not an idolworshipper, which was the reason he left his people. Now, you can navigate the maze yourself. If you still want me to leadyou, I will.

« #9 on: Today at 12:27:39 AM »

First the Koran is confused at to whom the first Muslim is.
Is it Mohammed
Is it Abraham
Is it Moses?

There are documents that far preceed the koran showing that Abraham and co were anything but Muslims

Show is the documents that will prove by predating Islam. While you are at it, please define what is Islam? And who are muslims in a generic sense? Was Ibrahim a jew or christian or idol worshipper by religion? Was Moses a Jew by religion, considering how Judaism is practiced, today? Moses never prayed at the wailing wall. He never nodded his head at any wall.

Was Jesus a Jew by religion, since we already know that he was not a Christian or idolworshipper? Did Jesus not prostrate his face at the garden of geshimane? Who prostrate their faces in worship of god, Jews, Christians or Muslims? And there was Islam long time before Muhammad. Muhammad was not the first of the muslims, on earth. But Islam, as a process was completed in full, without anything to add on the Messengership of Muhammad (AS).

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@Tonye-t: If you haven't noticed the difference between male and female genders, how could you be a ble to notice, the process of arriving at the first spoken language by human?

Or maybe you are being deceitful that you fail to notice that I said that I am not a woman. Lol. The life of a gender bender or gay must be rough in your part of the world. Or maybe in your eyes everything is woman. Darn. I am having the opinion that you may just be just trying to play dumb, while you are as corny or wise as a fox.

Anyway, you must know that even the non-muslims believe that Arabic is a probable Adamaic language. I know for a fact it is. It is the language of paradise.

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@Morpheus24:

Eureka!Of course!. how stupid we are not to realize this. The language is so beautiful even the angels speak it.

Thank you for this revelation.

By the way can you tell me what form of Arabic was spoken and has it changed over the years to incorporate other words from other languages or does it stand out alone as being un-influenced by other non heavenly languages.

Fusat. The pure Qur'aanic Arabic language/togue. Read the second verse of Chapter known as Joseph. All Arabs have to learn this very Fusat. That includes the Bedoins, who have the purest, form of the other tribal Arabic tongue. I am sure you will find out when you study Fusat Arabic, that it stands on its own. Afterall, the Qur'aan brought this pure language to mankind, again starting from the the time of the revelation to Muhammad (AS).

Am not aunty, my man. I know Olabowale is a name loved by both male and female.

Now, what other fact do you need than what I stated? You are one of these computer geeks. If its not on web it aint true? Before computer, there were known facts. The facts are no less facts, even now.

So if you have a proof, any proof against what I said, please provide it.

@Jean!: « #483 on: Today at 10:09:03 AM »

@ Olabowale
I intentionally used most because of the fact that other religions existed then. The ones that are mentioned were meant to warn the Israelites the futility of serving such gods.
[b]The Holy Spirit is the Comforter talked about by Jesus John 14: 16-17 -

Was this holy spirit not in existence, even before Jesus was conceived? Was it not the very holy spirit that is a third, according to the Christians of the nature of God, remaining Father and son to make the other two thirds? I thought the entity that overshadowed Mary to make her pregnant was the holy spirit? was it not always been present? How does a spirit comfort the physical, humans?

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Who was the first comforter, before Jesus is now telling his followers that he is going to pray for another comforter to abide for ever? Is the first comforter cut short and not being able to abide for ever, in a physical or in a spiritual sense? Now I need all of these questions to be answered. Somehow, you may be forced to admit that Jesus was the first comforter. Or maybe not. And how is the another comforter promised by Jesus still abiding forever, even now, considering that Jesus and his followers were not even Christians? Can christianity which came after this statement about another comforter can sincerely states that Jesus was addressing Christians?

17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but all of you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

If this statement was even to be remotely true, then it is either that those who Jesus addressed are still alive right now. Are they? Or that some people are alive right now that have the exact same nature like the audience of Jesus, in belief and worship of God and also recognising the exact place of Jesus. This people are not undermining him, Jesus, like the Jews who denied his prophethood, or exaggerating his personage by deitifying him, like the Christians. Is there a group like that around today? Yes. They are called Muslims. The muslims believe that all prophets and Messengers and those who worshipped God Almighty in the way prescribed to this prophets and messengers are muslims.

Romans is the title given to the letter written by Paul to Christians.[/b]

Maybe I should have spoken an african language to you. I do not know any, except if your mother tongue is yoruba. What I meant in my repost about Roman, is that you are arguing in support of Jesus, you ignored Mark, Matthew, Luke and John, the canonized Gospels, but you are giving me materials from what no one can say that Jesus said. At least if i do not accept what is in the Godpels, I do know that something is in there that Jesus said, like Mark 12 verse 29, for example.

But there is no way you could argue that Jesus wrote any letter to any group, especially when you said above that the letter is from Paul. Obviously, paul is not Jesus. Next time, my word of advice, to you; use Jesus to argue for Jesus. Use God to argue for Jesu, first. Use Jesus direct followers, the disciples to aregue for Jesus.

I use God, Allah (the Qur'aan; I know you dont have anything this exclusive) to argue for Muhammad, Jesus, etc (AS). I use the Ahadith to argue for Muhammad, Jesus, etc (AS). I use the stories of the prophets to argue for Muhammad, Jesus, etc (AS). You don't have anything like this, without the remote person nown as Paul? Where is the Bible in the pure language wich it was revealed?

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It is Arabic. Proofs are many. But I will say that mount Arafat is so named, because thats where Adama nd his wife, hawa met, before they started having children. kaaba is the first house that they built as their focal direction and point in the worship of Allah. Both of these things are still there in Makka, today. The language spoken by Makkans is Arabic.

The language of the last Book revealed, which remain in the exact words, sentence, and tone, when it was revealed is Arabic. And Makka is the oldest land on earth. The first to emerge from under water, when earth was commanded to do so. The mouth piece of the earth is Makka. It is addressed as the mother of the villages. Today the whole world is a village. What a truth that Qur'aan spoke, then which is now happening in our time; global village is a known expression.

@**Osisi: « #33 on: Yesterday at 07:54:51 PM »

earthmama,you better comot here.
They already have talisman abi taliswoman with your name on it.
who knows how many are calling you in the mirror

I think you are looking for the Thread of Hindu and occult, and then the babalawos and masonic. Thats will be in the general/religion mother board. This section is for the Muslims, the slaves and servants who are not proud and never arrogant to state their positions. We recognise that we are slaves and servants and are not passing for sons or daughters of our Creator.

It was Jarus,now Muhsin abi mushin
I hope you're stronger than they

You dey mind your christian sister. For Funmi, everything and anything permissable. She thinkss she is more than one woman. Thats what she thinks, until Allah gives her a Jarus, or a Muhsin. She will then know the difference between real man and the boys she has been hanging around. But guys, no more than one brother can be talking to any woman, at one time. The other brother needs his brother to have a full attention and consideration from the woman.

@Jean!: « #480 on: Yesterday at 07:12:46 PM »

Maybe we should also think in this direction. There are so many other religions in the world today e.g. Buddhism, Hinduism, Ifa worship, Osun worship the list goes on, most of them were not mentioned in the Bible.

Most does not mean all. Now consider this, Christianity or Jesus, in any clear sense, without the usual Christian deductive process, is not mentioned in the Jewish Torah. Whereever you see "Jesus" name in the Torah, please direct us to it.

Even before Jesus Christ's birth by Mary there have been several other religion practised by human beings on earth. Why should you now try to put Muhammad in the Bible?

Read your above, concerning most, which is not all religion. More importantly, the truth need be told. If Muhammad appears in it, should we not speak about it, even though you may hate it? Yet you know about Muhammad (AS) as a parent knows about his/her child. Afterall, I have been asking give me the full name of the first or former comforter, and then the another or future comforter. This way, we can see what is common in their natures, since they are supposed to have the same characteristics, etc.

Why didn’t any of this get mentioned in the Bible? Is it that God doesn’t know about these religions? Romans 1: 19 -32.

You guys always embarassed yourselves, without even knowing you do. Is Romans, etc the appropriate speeches here, rather than the Gospel of Jesus, if the Gospel was not tainted?

I have been opportuned to read the Quran in English. The description of how Muhammad received the Quran is similar to someone being under the control of some spirit. Experiences similar to someone using an Ouija board and the like. He did have a lot of physical manifestation in the process that supports that

I also have read the Qur'aan in English, a little bit in Yoruba and a lot in Arabic. Please quote the exact verse or verses where you are able to come up with the description of how Muhammad (AS) received the Qur'aan? I have at least in the past 10 years and read enough, so I am eager to find out the "new" information that you have about his receipt of the Qur'aan, which has led you to believe that he is like someone being under the control of some spirit?

And while you are at it, please consider what you think was happening to Jesus when the devil was tempting him, at least three times? And how do you know about this? Afterall no one was with Jesus, because he had not began to acquire the flocks of desciples, then. I hope you are careful not to trip over yourself, while you struggle to answer this very important question.

@Davidylan: « #25 on: Yesterday at 09:20:34 PM »

Man i'm thinking that is why i firmly believe your allah is a fraud.

We will soon see how badly your thinking is, since you arrived at the wrongest conclusion.

- Thank you for finally admitting that virtually ALL of your alleged "prophets" are simply stolen biblical characters.

Please how many of them are Christian "Characters?" I know that you do not know the difference between Jew, a nation from the nations of Israel, and Israel nations. Now who was the first Jew, if you know? I will let you entrap yourself. The trap is layed, already.

That still leaves us with serious questions - why were ALL these men either jews or progenitors of jews that muslims hate today?

I already asked you, if you know the name of the first Jew?

Now, I received a phone call from Fred B Braff, this afternoon. He is a Jew. I may talk to Larry Weinsteen, tomorrow. He is another Jew. Yet I am atypical Muslim. This information destroys your blanketed statement that Muslims hate "Jews" today. What happens about the Jews who are muslims? Do the muslims also hate the Muslims who are "Jewish blood?"

Do you know the deep hatred of the Jews that the chrsitians have? Consider that each time, since "Christianity" began, when Jews are pillaged, it is always at the hand of "Christ followers!" I guess, you forgot the actions of the Crusaders. Then you forgot the final payback time, of "become Christian," or die.

How can a muslim bring himself to hate the very descendants of the "prophets" he falsely claims he loves and allah himself claims to have sent? Does that make a shred of sense?

First Jesus never had any descendant. Or did he. So also was John. Or was he? So was Zachariah, since, his only recorded offspring was John, who was a confirmed bachelor. Or was he not? Now, how many prophets from your claimed Jewish bloods, did die at the hands of the Muslims? I am sure it is zero.

What about how many who died at the hands of the Jews? Plenty. Now, even your god, Jesus met his "death", according to you at the hand of the "Jews." Now David, arent you angry at and venomously hate those people who "killed" your god? You godless dude, should be ashamed that some people were able to overcome your god and snatch out his life off of him?

Why are the messages of these prophets largely absent from the quran?

You said largely, it means that you at least believe that some prophets have some messages in the Qur'aan. Now you are learning. But what you call prophets in Christianity, or Judaism is not necessarily the same in Islam. Afterall, Ester and Ruth are believed to be prophets by you.

And among all the prophets in human history, numbering over 124,000, only 25 are chosen to appear in the Qur'aan. Its not the volume, man. But the sustantive subsatnce.

Ezekiel was a jew and he practiced judaism which certainly isnt islam slowpoke.

Was he nodding his head and talking to the wall that Jews of today talks to? Did he perform any rituals like what you see the jews of today performing? How about Jesus, since we read that he prostrated his face, and not nodding at the wailing wall? How about Moses? You dont know, man.

Why dont you show me Ezekiel's religion from YOUR OWN BOOK rather than haranguing over mine ALL THE FREAKING TIME? If he was ur prophet then surely allah must have mentioned him or his book in his quran no?

Omo boy yari o. In the days, we would say Omo yo kokoro.

Delusional. Davidylan and then we see **Osisi. Na wa for kiriyo o.

@Davidylan: « #27 on: Yesterday at 04:40:48 PM »

where was there qibla? Why do we have no recorded existence of a mosque prior to mohammad? Who did they pray to? Since they werent using arabic then what language were they using and WHY has allah suddenly decided to use arabic only since mohammad?

And when Islam of Muhammad (AS) began in Makka, Salah and Quibla, etc were not made important or compulsory. Muhammad used to make salah, and it was compulsory for others. Further, he prayed towards Kaaba. It was when they got to Madina, and after a time, salah was made important to them. And they used Masjid Aqsa in Quds. No wonder, since Muhammad (AS) knew about the importance of Kaaba, Allah made his heart got attached and long for it as the final Quiblah.

By the way, in the Isra wa Miraj journey of the prophet (AS), he had dialogue about salah with Musa (AS). I wonder if Musa did not lead his nation in salah to Allah, we wonder how did he know how difficult it will be to get Muhammad's nation to make 50 salah per day?

Let me excite your mind for a moment; what do you call the worship that Musa made to his Lord? I need a single word for it in the Aramaic, Hebrew or Coptic language. Well what did Jesus do in Garden of Geshemaine, when he kneeled and prostrated his face to his Lord? I need a single word description, in Hebrew or Aramaic, please.

Where are the books of these prophets in your quran? Why are they all jews and NONE from the tribe of Ishmael?

Answer these questions my friend and stop snivelling around.

David is playing Possum. He is like a broken record, when he asks, and then he turns sluggish when answers are provided. He does not read them.

@Kola Oloye: « #1 on: January 20, 2009, 10:14 AM »

From what i highlighted above i want you to prove to me that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)was a/the spirit.
If he is truly the spirit (holy spirit) why did he die, i believe spirits don't die. Please wake up, the earlier you stop deceiving yourself the better

Baba Agba; what about Jesus? At least the Christians believe that he died. When he died, according to the Christian belief, did his Spirit died with him? Or he did not even have a spirit?

Do spirits of dead people also die, or live on? These if you can answer them will guide you to the truth. But is it not interesting that you believe that you read the words of the Christian God, when you read the Bible? have you ever seen that God before? And even though that you said that Jesus is part of your Christian's three person God, was Jesus not dead at one time? Did that death diminished Jesus high stock in your eyes?

The same with Muhammad (AS). When you hear Muslims talk about him, it is as if he is alive like anyone walking the earth, still. I dreamt about him. And since 2002, the dream is just as fresh as if I had just dreamt it now, or even fresher. Is there any spirit, in the mind of Muslims than Muhammad, among humans? His Qur'aan is jusr exactly as it was revealed over 1400 years ago. His hadith is just the same. I try to act like him, in every which way I can. Is any spirit more alive?

@Pastor AIO: « #3 on: January 20, 2009, 04:17 PM »

The Greek word that Jesus uses there is Paraclete (παράκλητος). Please see the meaning here for yourselves: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/παράκλητος
There is nothing here about praising exceeding.

Pastor, be sincere to yourself, did Jesus revelations, The Good News/Gospel, came in Greek or in the semitic language of his mother tongue, Aramaic or Hebrew? When you answer this to yourself, then you may have to ask, who was the first "Spirit, comforter" so that you can begin to understand who probably the "another" one is to come after Jesus!

Muhammad (AS) had many names and appelations/attributes. One of his attributes was even "forgiver." Check out the send to the last verse of Chapter 9 of the Qur'aan. Praising exceedingly is another, but not the only one.

Something about this 2nd paraclete that we shall have is that He shall abide with us forever. Muhammad is long dead and gone. He stopped abiding with us over a millenium ago.

Even though Muhammad (AS) has been dead for over a millenium, but his name, his spiritual legacy, his love by his followers, etc has never diminished! The Qur'aan revealed to him by his Lord, Allah is here as exactly the way it was when Muhammad (AS) was alive! I wanna shock your mind with some good common sense; if being alive is the only reason you will believe that the promise of Jesus was Muhammad, then where is the "spirit/comforter/2nd paraclete (boy I hate greek word, except their engineering symbols) in flesh/physically? I guess you do understand that humans have spirits and the spirits do not die!

As a yoruba man, the saying, when a person is alive, he may not be the best man. But he dies he becomes a doll/beautiful; Taa ba wa laiye eniyan osun won. Taa ba ku la ma nderee. If Jesus (AS), who made the promise about a second Comforter, is not the first Comforter, then who was? If Jesus (AS) was the first Comforter, then where is he today? Is the condition of Jesus better than that of Muhammad, since neither is around any longer, until their Lord, Wills what He will for them, in the future to come?

If you make a mistake with your response, you will flung open the door for me to ask you that the first Comforter/Spirit/Paraclete must have been better than Jesus, in position. So is the second Comfort/Spirit/Paraclete, whom you really can't give us his "real name!" If you say, this Comforter is "holy ghost", then you will run the risk, again for any Muslim to challenge you about the name of this "ghost" whom you have earlier, even before Jesus was born, was the one who overshadowed Virgin Mary, so that she can get pregnant with Jesus. You've got big problems, man. I will not let you get off scott free.

Paraclete which just means helper, advocate, supporter was not deleted from any version of the bible that I know. This particular paraclete ( and the world is full of paracletes, my lawyer, my business partner, my family . . . etc etc ) is said to be a spirit. A spirit of Truth which will proceed from the father. The word translated to proceed is 'ekporeuomai' which means to come out of. Muhammad did not proceed out of God.

Allah says that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. Read Surah Azhab. And there are many more places where similar verses in various styles and ways are expressed. Unfortunately, for your Christian mind, "come out of" by your greek "ekporeuomai" does not mean being send by. Then how do you solve the problem that will arrive, when we relate this with the statement of Jesus, claiming that God "sent him?" Read you Bible, again and see how convoluted the overall statements in the Book become.

I am reminded of the statement of Joe Biden, then the running mate of Obama. Biden was making fun of the maverick duos, McCain and Palin, in a mock dialogue between themselves. One is calling the other the maverick, while he/she was trying to elevate the other, by denying the maverick label he/she was just bestowed by the partner. What is Jesus then, if "sending me" is not equal to "I come out of?"

I know Muhammad (AS) came out of the Authority of Allah Who sent him, as His Messenger to the whole mankind, and made him a seal/last of all prophets.

These Ulema, or learned scholars as they call themselves, unfortunately exhibit such shoddy scholarship that if that is the best Islam has to offer then that is really sad. Paraclete was never mistranslated into spirit of Truth. in the original greek Paraclete is said to be the Pneuma of Alethia. Pneuma means spirit. Alethia means truth. The Paraclete will be the Pneuma of Alethia therefore means that the Intercessor/advocate will be the spirit of Truth.

What happens to Semitic language? Why Greek? Is Hebrew or Aramaic now an inferior language? This is the language of your lord's people. This is the language that Mary spoke. this is the language of joseph the capenter. This is the language of all the 12 disciples. This is the language of Jesus revelation. If it is greek, then tell us. If not, then quit fronting and get real, man.

Muhammad (AS) has been granted the position of Intercessor by his Creator, Allah. Read the end of Surah Mariam. Muhammad in an ahadith, stated that on the Day of judgement, he will be the only Messenger and or Prophet to intersedes for "believers" before Allah. Let me tell you, no one will be in this position, before him. Not Jesus, not Moses (AS to all), no one! Then it is a pity, pastor, that you did not take a critical look at what they say that your lord's stated.

This is also a sticky point for those that say there is only one intercessor and that is Christ. The spirit of Truth is also an intercessor and furthermore is not in conflict with Christ but in fact speaks of him and reveals him.

Pastor, in the rhetoric expression of the Ibadans; O je daa le. It means calm down, y'all. I am sure that you did not see the folly of the statement above. So the intercessor Jesus is no more here. Is there any reason Jesus is not abiding with us, now since he is not here? How about the The spirit of truth? Who is the spirit of truth? I want name; infact name and nothing less will do.

@Bindex: « #20 on: Today at 10:13:29 PM »

I dont know weather to shed tears of blood for you for believeing in such a dangerous , evil and manovalent deity. I have denied Allah tell him to send Malaika Jibrilu to come and stike me if he can.

I know something was missing in your train. It just dawned on me; you are one of those muslim by name only, when you were claiming to be muslim. Some of you quickly get seduced to Christianity, even when they claimed to be wearing nikah. And you went all the way; denial of the highest order.

You don't know that the angel of death is Malaika Maut. And malaika Jibril (AS) is very different.

And please show me who is Dhil Kifli, from the Bible? Maybe I should ask you wo were Shuaib, Salih and Hud? Then let me test your relexes for a moment; show me outright Muhammad (AS)?

Very nice, the Bible even claimed Ismail! Wonders never cease.

A broken record is very difficult to fix. david, stop sounding like a broken record. I ask you to quote a verse. You resulted into generality of statement. Now let me show you who you call prophet in old testament that we will not even take as one; Ester. Ruth is another. What about whatever title you bestow Paul who used to be Saul?

Consider that you even have many "prophets" running around among the christians, today, then Paul can't be less than those who call themselves prophets, today, or should he?

And I have just stated to you in another thread where you also peddled the same statement in a different gimmick. Since Allah is the Lord and Creator of all, and he is talking to mankind through man, it is no surprise that he used man to do this job. Now, Adam was not a Jew. And all prophets up to the children of the diret father of the Jews, Judah were not Jews.

Now about the Bible, I guess the Old testament users, the Jews will have the same unfounded complaints about you Christians who claim that the New testament is the only valid book. No wonder the Jews have a problem with Jesus. The Jews may have been right, since all you did was pure exageration; organizing a religion when there should not be any and elevating a simple man to a deity. The same exact behavior you Christians are having about islam, the Qur'aan and the messenger, is what the jews of Old testament are having about you. They denied the veracities of the your religion, your book, NT and your claimed son of god and god and son of man.

How about the teachings from before Adam (AS) all the way to before what you may call jew or direct father of the Jews, Judah the brother of Yusuf (AS), and their grand father, Yaqub (AS)?

How about the Christians? At least their comforting in Surah Rum, where Allah said that they will defeat the persians, even though they have just been beat up badly? Are the christians Jews? I am entrapping you. Ogbon agba is what I am using on you.

I have to go to before the "jews," for a moment. How long has have man been on the earth now? 100,000 years, at least? Yet the jews, from the children of Judah or the greater children of Israel from Jacob, take your pick, have only had less than 500 years of history! Imagine 5/100? Just 5%. And yet you are making a big to do about "nothing!" I know you will say ado. I know what I am saying.

What happen to the 95%, where is the jew in it? Abeg ol boy, stop the gimmick.

Allah says in Surah baqarah that Ibrahim was not a Jew or a Christian, but a true believer he was. Muslim bowing his head to his Lord, where by he (Ibrahim) was not part of those who associate gods with God.

david are you not associating gods with God? Proof me wrong. Am waiting, man.

@Bindex: « #17 on: Today at 07:27:49 PM »

As a 14 year old muslim I was once taken to an Imam that prayed for me and my headache disappeared immediately. That goes to show the powerful and healing abilities of Allah.

And the same Allah you have denied. I don't know whether to laugh at you or cry for you.

It only takes a mind as gullible as that of a child to understand all the nonsense and lies in the bible and the koran. I am yet to see any God heal an amputee.

Allah through an Imam cured your headache, when you were 14 years old. Yet in your earlier posts, you had indicated that you came out of Islam at 11. Then became Atheist few years sooner until Europe made you a full-blown. You see how Merciful Allah is to you? And see what you give for this Mercy; your denial of Him?

Now about your amputee comment. Let me use Isa bin Mariam as a clear example here and then I will go to Muhammad (AS) to teach you to go back to study the Tafsir and then do some reading of Hadith. Isa bin Mariam (AS) raised a dead person. I am sure the dead person if at the time of dying was given the choice of death or being maimed, he would have chosen being maimed, becoming an amputee. Proof; we see in many wars where the amputee is happy and shows gratitude to God for being alive when he sees corpses of the deads. But thats kind of understanding is beyond your Atheist mind.

Let me make it easier for you. Still using Isa bin Mariam (AS); he cured a man of blindness. This is a man who God had design to be infirmed with not seeing, even though he had a space for eye. Then Isa bin Mariam (AS) cured him of his blindness. That at least settled your problem.

Now let talk about Muhammad (AS). Ali bin AbiTalib was supposed to receive a sword of Islam from the Messenger (AS). But Ali (RA) was aflicted with eye problem that he was blind. When Muhammad (AS) learnt about this, Ali was brought to him, whereby Ali was cured with a very simple Rukya from the lips of the Prophet. The prophet said Bismillahi rRhamanir rRahiim, and he touched his tongue with his finger and use the same finger to put in place the eye of Ali, who instantly was cured. You can hear the story on Youtube.


Now about the amputee; these is one of the signs of Allah amongst humans. The one who lost one hand or arm is grateful because he has one, and better than the one who lost both. Yet the fully and normal limbed person is grateful for being normal. But let just assume that God cures all amputees of their deficiencies. What then? What will satisfy humans? Maybe no death? How then is the day of judgement going to come? How then does a person knows that this world is just a temporary abode? How then a person going to appreciate the favor of God on him? How then will a person like you know that someday you will have to be called to account? You see yourself being considered normal, without a lost of limb, you have not appreciated the God that secured you this normal. You see that you are growing older, yet you have not reflected. How then do you hope to escape punishment when it is time to be punished for evil deeds.