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And Funmi has not improved the possibility. any.

You will not eat good that there is no name of any human called on it. Yet you want muslims to eat your food.
Obeying the Qur'aan, in Surah Al Maidah, I will eat meat slaughtered by Jews and Christians. I will their cookings as long as it does not have the wine and pig, excetera in them.

If they say in the name of Jesus on their meat, when I am going to eat it, I say in the Name of Allah (Eloi in Hebrew), the Most Beneficient, the Most Merciful. That overrides everything.

When I slaughter I say, In the name of Allah (Eloi in the tongue of Jesus), the Most Beneficient the Most Merciful. Allahu (Eloi) Akbar "The God is Great."

No one can top that.

@earTHMama: « #30 on: Today at 07:22:14 PM »

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Marry him. Its a new year. Turn a new leaf.

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Typical! You've reported this thread already. I pray you will soon join Afshin : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8870177642686242029

in praising Jesus.

I just didn't cancel the report to moderator Logged" thing. I do not report anybody to anyone. Thats not by style. Go ask, Seun or the moderators. I never knew thats how they report people. Dont worry about it. I m a big boy. I can handle myself. If I dont like it, I will quit Nairaland.

I am becoming anything because for over many decades; count it, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and now that we are in a new millenium, I have always remained a muslim. What is it that will make me other than muslim: money, wealth, influence, women, what? Nothing matters because Allah is MORE THAN EVERYTHING for me!

@Olaadegbu: « #28 on: Today at 06:30:16 PM »  

This is another moving story of how a sincere Muslim found out Truth when the Almighty God appeared to him when he called out to Him for deliverance.  Watch how he felt the forgiveness and love of the Almighty God that changed his life completely in the video link below.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8870177642686242029

Which one of the Christian Almighy God appeared to him? Jehovah/Yahweh who was known as the father?

Or Jesus who was known as the son?

Or the one who has no Real name but identified as holy ghost?

I hope you can add to know that you have multiple gods and there is no single Almighty God in Christianity. If thats not disbelief and idolatry, what is?

The heart of the human problem is the problem of the human heart

A very profound statement; I wonder how many gods will appeal to soften the human heart which is the heart of human problem? One or two or three? If it is one, which of them from the pool of father, son and holy ghost? If its more than one, why is it impossible for just one to be able to handle such a simple task of human? You see where I am going with this?

@earTHMama: « #26 on: Today at 05:50:53 PM »

I am not dreaming. The spirit of the lord is moving and even in Naija, many muslims are getting born again. Thanks to Reinhard Bonkke.

I live in NYC. Its about 10,000 miles away from Naija. It i survive the torbulent decades of decadence, without converting to Idolworshipping of three god persons (I could have said three godheads), I wonder if thats something you think is now possible in Todays aboundant Masajid in America? I belondg to a group of muslims. My friends are muslims. I choose brothers from among them based on religion, alone; from whites and blacks and inbetween.

Please ask Reinhard Bonkke for me whats the name of the holy ghost, if son is known as Jesus and father is known as Jehovah/Yahweh? Further Who is Eloi that Jesus so much cried to? Does Eloi resembles Jehovah or Yahweh in another semitic accept or language or it resembles Allah in pronounciation?




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For the last time, we don't have three gods. Trinity is three persons in one God. It's like saying Olabowale is three because one separated your personalities. Some humans like Beyonce have double personalities.[/quote]And the double personalities that Beyonce has makes him closer to Christian god than you who has just one personality, since your god has three, dont you think? I wonder if a person who has multiple personalities in todys understand is a completely normal person, or he/she needs to be medicated? *Osisi*, please educate us here. This is your territory.

And Funmi, there is no amount of "For the last time" statement that you make that will make Trinity become Unity! It just does not happen. And by the way, I am Olabowale, a single personality man. Like the yoruba will say "Oju kon lada ma ni o, "




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She you dey sha?
Me and my boo dey fine.[/quote]Marry him. Its a new year. Turn a new leaf.

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@*Osisi*; « #19 on: Today at 03:41:20 PM »  

How were you exposed to Christianity?

"It began about eight years ago. I was in Jerusalem and I received an invitation to come and hear about Christianity. Out of curiosity I went. I was very enthusiastic about what I heard. I began to read the Bible every day and I continued with religion lessons. I did it in secret, of course. I used to travel to the Ramallah hills, to places like the Al Tira neighborhood, and to sit there quietly with the amazing landscape and read the Bible. A verse like "Love thine enemy" had a great influence on me.

And the treatment of the Makkans by the Prophet (AS) after the victory, nor the treatment of the people of Taif nor the respect and good treatment of the people of Jerusalem when it was opened did not have effect on this guy. Those were real acts, which were more superior than just mere writing on paper which has not been tested out, ever!

The coptic Christians called to Amir Munimu, Umar bin Khattab (ra) to help them against the Catholics of Rome. Get the letter and read it my girl. (JJYOU is angry because I called you girl. I told him to butt out though). The meat of the letter was that the muslims were the most just of communities. I advise you to get the letters of Umar bin Khattab to the muslims and see pure mercy, and forgiveness. None of the mercy displayed by anyone, before Muhammad and after him could match what he singular, by the help of Allah showed.

At this stage I was still a Muslim and I thought that I would remain one.

What did he know about Qur'an, apart from just being a muslim in name only. Please being an arab muslim does not mean that the person reads or understan the Qur'an. He may not even know know how to pray. Allah says in Surah Taubah that al arab (Ignorance hard hearted people) are truly disbelievers and wrong doers. When you remain a muslim, it not just by word of mouth. You put it into action.

Allah's messenger was unhappy when Umar ibn Khattab (RA) was reading the Tourah. (AS) said that he was the best of all the prophets and messengers, given the best book, the Qur'an and was right among them. Is there a need to leave pure and practicable mercy and forgiveness for something only nice on paper. Let observe; Turn the other cheek is an impossible. Jesus did not practice it. Afterall he asked his disciples to buy "swords" and on the cross, he condemned a thief to Hell! Is there a Christian better in justice than his own god, Jesus?

If there is a Christian that can show mercy and love and forgiveness than Jesus as demostrated above, it will be another proof that jesus is not a true god and that the Christians have made an idol for themselves. They have gone against at least two of the 10 commandments!

But every day I saw the terrible things done in the name of religion by those who considered themselves 'great believers.'

If I were going to look for a person of religious knowledge, I will read the Qur'aan and approach those who understand what I do not understand. I will then observe how they practice what they explained to me. And also what I actually understand. In other words, I will not go ask a man who has more than four wives about how to be just with women. I will not ask a miser how to be generous or a poor illiterate about proper islamic Investment. I personally will not consider many of the Hamas and the palestinians great Islamic minds. We see how less they pay attention to Islam as compared to their national homeland.

I studied Islam more thoroughly and found no answers there. I reexamined the Koran and the principals of the faith and found how it is mistaken and misleading.

easier written than proven. Laa ilaha ilallah for all mankind is not been practiced by the Tribalistic or clanish Jews. And it is not been practiced by the Trinitarian Christians. Five salah is not what we see anyone practice. Is there any culture of religion that fast in the month of ramadan, with a before to after dusk period of abstanance from everything; things of pleasure; food drinks, sex, etc? I do know that not one pays Zakatul Fitr and then zakatul Al Mal, for a stipulated minimum percentage, with a minimum bench mark of wealth to do it. Is there any culture, before Islam of Muhammad (AS) that observe 2 rakah at the station of Ibrahim (AS) in their Hajj, and make Umrah to Madina?  


You see the ignorance of the 30 years old man? What is the Mistake in and where is the article of faith of Islam misleading?

The Muslims borrowed rituals and traditions from all the surrounding religions."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1007462.html

What did the muslims borrowed from the Jewish faith? There Yumkippor, or the Chanukkah or the fact that we have common prophets? Arent these prophets human beings and Islam of Muhammad is also practiced by humans?


What did Islam borrowed from the Christians? The 3 gods? No. The Easter or Christimas festivals? No. Islam elevated Jesus who was denied by the Jews. islam did not go to the extreme and the exagerations of the Christians about Jesus and his mother, except that they were restored to the position of honor where they belong.


And I am not mad at anybody's conversion. Who ever wants to burn in hell, he has a fast track ticket already. If a person has no shame he/she should what he/she wants. Allah says towards the end of surah Mariam that He has turned loose the Evildoer on the disbelievers. You will see also at the beginning of surah Araf (the Height), where the Evildoer (Shaytan) had asked Allah to grant him sometime, till the end of this world, so that he can turn many of mankind, except true believers, into those wo will not worship Allah.

Muhammad (AS) said that those who will go to hell, will do things of hell, if they are only an arm length away from Paradise. I pray that I am not from those people. I also pray the same thing for those whom I love, the muslims.

Then the prophet said, too, that those who will go to paradise, will do things of Paradise, even if the distance between them and Hell fire is just a distance of an arm length. This is my prayer for you and your loved ones and many many more people and families around the world.

@Martian: « #10 on: Today at 07:29:43 AM »  

As usual, Olabowale is not making any sense.      
@topic, who cares if an arab turns his back on islam and embraces christianity  They are all deluded anyway.

Tell me if you can find anything sensible about a muslim who went into Jewish neighborhood and came out as a christian. Can you? Did they give him Christian literature, while they restricts him from that of Islam and their Jewish own? I just don't get it?

The Muslims in Gitmo, under christian oppressors are not turn to Christianity. The Christians will either restricts the muslims from Islam and encourage them with aboundance of Christian materials, or do nothing. But no Christian will give a muslim Jewish books or Hindu books, etc, while  keeping the Christian books away from him.

You want to get rid of an enemy, make him a friend, not make him a future enemy. Christians will definitely have a battle with the Jews, at the end of time. And we see that many groups of christians are forcing the end time to come, sooner than later. While create for yourself an enemy that may kill you if the end time arrives now?

Finally, every true muslim, knows that Allah never put a burden in the life of a believer than what he can handle. So if a true muslim goes to jail in Israel, he would not be punished if they would tel him make Wudu or ablution so that he can make Salah. He can make Tayammum or dry earth purification. All he had to do is touch something and make his purification.

And he can make Salah by his heart, making the essential movements with his eyes, if the warden will not let him pray. It is heart relative to his condition that matters. I said all these to say this; if it is true that the 30 years old man turn away into christianity, he was not a believer in Islam, all along. If he were, he would have read many superior verse of the Qur'an than what *Osisi* said turned him around from the bible.

Muhammad (AS) did demostrated the superiority of forgiveness when he gave a complete amnesty to the Makkans by forgiving them, after the Muslims were victorious over the city. What about Taif? Muhammad forgave them all. If he did not, his followers would have took revenge for the way the treated the Prophet (AS). We saw how kind Muhammad was to many a Jew; young and old. Part of the reasons those entered Islam. Should we not remember the woman who used to throw thong and dungs on his part.

If we think about it, even though I do not believe it, was Jesus not the man on the cross who condemned the other thief to hell? Tell me what is forgiveness in that? A thief who is an ordinary man, feeling the pain of punishment misspoke. The god who is in the same condition of difficulty with him, reacted just in kind? Where is his godly power to help this weak man, the thief, so that he can experience a one for the road miracle, and know who he was being hung along with? Maybe it wasn't Jesus afterall that was on the cross, otherwise there is no reason not to have displayed his godly, okay prophetic power, to help the thief to receive salvation.




@earTHMama: « #11 on: Today at 09:00:07 AM »  

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Can someone please beg olabowale to stop reducing decent threads to platforms to spew disjointed piffle?

Lol. he is mad because one of his members got saved. I believe he will have the same song in his mouth in no distant time.

Dream on. There is nothing wrong with dreaming. Some dreams are the handwork and deceit of shaytan. Many are still what a person desire. It may be different from the Will of Allah/God. The last type of dream is always true because it is from Allah/God.

If your statement is from God, I wish you tell me which one; The Father Jehovah/Yahweh, or No real name Holy Ghost or Son Jesus? You have three gods, in Christianity. Should I be a worshipper of three gods? Thats Idolatry. And my answer is no, InshaAllah.

She you dey sha?

@JJYOU: « #7 on: Yesterday at 11:22:49 PM »

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@Huxley: « #3 on: Today at 10:44:26 PM »
Huxley, please go to the "Questions about the Qur'aan" thread you started. Let me deal with my girl, *Osisi* and her feable threads. Demonic, christian, yes or maybe. But maniacal Islam? No.

We will meet in our continent, someday. But please defang yourself of the European madness before going home. I dislike seeing crazzzzzzzzzy persons.
didn't mom and dad teach you to respect other peoples wives if your religion teach you not to. you are such a small minded person. why resort to these kind of insults?

you are a disgrace to nigerian men

Thank you. I appreciate that. I wonder what I said that make you have this opinion that I do not respect other people's wives? Is it because I call her girl? I do call myself boy. Neither is a demeaning term. I used girl for her because I am friendly with her. But then I do not have justify my actions to you, or do I?

Finally, I wonder if many nigerian men elevate their women, as I do elevate the women in my life? And it is not always sexual, because you may think thats what it is. *Osisi* in all her anti-Islam, is a sort of friend. If she were a Muslim, I would say she is a very close friend. So JJYOU, butt-out!



@davidylan (m): « #8 on: Today at 03:55:26 AM »

Can someone please beg olabowale to stop reducing decent threads to platforms to spew disjointed piffle?

Whats decent about a thread that smell terrible? A palestinian Muslim, spent time in a Jewish Prison and came out as a Christian? Now tell me, if there is a thinking cap anywhere, how did he have the epiphany that turned him into Christian, in a Jewish Prison?

They brought in Christian Prison Chaplain, while they should have easily arranged for a muslim or a jewish one? They wanted him to get out of islam, but not into Judaism?

Some people don't think. We have them on WWW, just we have them in the world. I wonder if every Hamas leader or personnel is a good and devoted Muslim? Just like the PLO, we see christian among them. They are mostly politically focused. If not Palstinian nationalists, the Flag of Islam should have been the one flying, instead of that of the future nation of palestine!

Aburo, I hope you dey.

@anengiyefa: « #15 on: Yesterday at 04:37:20 PM »  

@olabowale:

Thanks for your observations. This is not personal, therefore in my humble opinion, my personal history bears no relevance to what is being discussed here, and frankly I don't give a monkeys about yours either!

Thanks man. Thats exactly how I feel about you.

Having vented my venom, let me start by saying that nothing you said in your lengthy rant points the way forward for the Palestinian people who you claim to care about so much. This violence is not about the Palestinian people, and I am not a supporter of Israel. I am an advocate of good judgement and common sense, attributes which evidently are absent in the minds of the leaders of Hamas, who in my view are the instigators of the violence in Gaza today; regardless of the history of the broader conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.

In college, I met many palestinians. They are smart people. They studied all branches of engineering. I can only hope that they are patient, get seriously organized. Then meet the Zionists in a once and fall battle after they have formed enough supports in alliances with people around the world. You see, I know the Zionists, from their history. They are cowards and will not be able to fight, long enough. And it does not matter who supports them, as long as the palestinians are determined to free themselves from under the yoke of the evil empire of Zionists, while the palestinians trust The Creator!

Putting up a continuous resistance to your opponent can also be achieved through dialogue and intelligent negotiation, as the much wiser Fatah have proved. But of course, someone like you who still refers to African ethnic groups as 'tribes' will probably not have the capacity to think along those lines.

Thats if your opponents see you as viable people worth respecting. Unlike when they think you are not even human and they make every effort to dehumanize you. And please know tht I am not ashamed to say that i belong to a tribe of people; the Yorubas. Call it ethnic group, if you are okay with it. The point still remain that "thou tribes and tongue may differ, in brotherhood we stand." I thought if you get the essence of my message, considering that you now use a different national anthem than what I used.

Let Hamas continue fighting until they have all been killed, and let us see whether in the end, it is not discussion and negotiation that will bring out the long elusive peace between Isareal and Palestine. Nothing more to be said here!

If after Steve Biko and co died in 1976, and the blacks did not continue their struggle against Apartheid, I wonder if Randolph Robinson's Trans-African organization in D. C. will even lobby any institution to seek divestment from South African business partners? The continuous struggle was the singular ingredients that brought about the fall of Apartheid. It was the rallying cry.

The Zionists are even worse than the Apaetheid Afrikaans. They think that they have a right to a land that is Palestine. T

@DavidDylan:

so what is the solution? Fold ur arms and let the enemy continously kill your children?

I wished the palestinians can just suck it up, stand up, organized, ask Allah for His Help.
Have tawakkul of Allah, as in "wa laula wa lakuwata illabilahi aliuliazhim."

Then fight the yahuud, the enemy of Prophets and Jibril and Mikaila and Allah!

Should any people let another dominate them, killing their children, taking their land and let them waste away? No one should. This is where I agree with you, DavidDylan. A people should be able to stand up and fight for their own survival, while putting their trust in Allah for victory, at long last.

@Huxley: « #3 on: Today at 10:44:26 PM »

From one maniacal delusion to another demonic delusion. What difference does that make?

Huxley, please go to the "Questions about the Qur'aan" thread you started. Let me deal with my girl, *Osisi* and her feable threads. Demonic, christian, yes or maybe. But maniacal Islam? No.

We will meet in our continent, someday. But please defang yourself of the European madness before going home. I dislike seeing crazzzzzzzzzy persons.

@JJYOU: Talking about politics, its truly talking about a part in religion. At least Islam compasses politics, too.

@ttalks:

I'll leave u with this little info about one part in the old testament that talked about Jesus and what he was coming to do for his elect:

Genesis 22:15-18
(15) And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
(16) And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
(17) That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
(18) And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Could the second son be the only son when the first son is still alive? Of course not. The only one who could be the only son, if there is no death amongst the siblings is always the first son. And the title of the only son will die on him, when another son is born.

Interestingly, the arabs are numerous by far than the Israelites. I wonder who is the son of sacrifice was? It could never be the second son. Never.

@*Osisi*: « on: Today at 09:37:22 PM »

Yousef, 30, said he realized the true nature of Hamas and radical Islam during a stint in an Israeli prison. He renounced his Muslim faith, left his family behind in Ramallah and converted to Christianity.

"Islam is not the word of God," said Yousef. "If you want to be offended it's your problem. But you know something? Go study. Think for a second that I might be right. So wake up, look at your path, see where you're going. Are you really going to heaven with 72 virgins after you kill yourself and kill another 20 people?"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475226,00.html

If Islam is "not the word of God", is Christianity ever is? Which God ever uttered it, except Allah in His Book, the AlQur'aan? Now, let see if the human god, Jesus son of Mary ever uttered the word Christianity? No. Let see, if Eloi the One Jesus cried to ever uttered it in the New Testament? No. Now let see if yahweh or Jehovah ever uttered it in the Old Testament? No.

Intersting, neither was Jew or Judaism uttered as a religion, either. *Osisi*, look in the Qur'aan, you will see in many places where the word Muslim was uttered by Allah.

Yousef, if there is a real person behind the statement, except the empty rhetoric of propaganda, needs to study. he should think for a moment, what if he is actually (and I know he is) wrong in adopting a new faith? Instead of beginning to learn about true Islam, he used the political novice of his people as a collage of his religious Ignorance.

Yousef, *Osisi* and the anti Islamic website masters, what happens when you die and you see "in reality, in true belief, the real position" Jesus as no more than human prophet to the Children of Israel, alone?

Re: Son Of Hamas Leader Turns To Christ
« #1 on: Today at 09:41:39 PM »

The verse of scripture that turned him around.

You have heard that it was said, "Love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you (Matthew 5:43-44).

I hope you will take a lead in this case. Use the verse to forgive Awolowo, your best friend, (lol) who is the archest of enemy. See the remnant of Islam in him made him a better Christian? He was willing to forgive a people who have been tormenting his people for more than two times the years he had been alive on earth. And the suffering of his people in the hands of the Zionists, who imprisoned him has not let down. Instead it has increased.

You, a Nigerian, not suffering personally or ethnically from the hand of dead Awolowo, any longer, but your hatred of him, okay (dislike) is still deep. I am certain you did not participate in the war, nor did you suffer as a child at that time.

One thing though, I wonder how this son of the Hamas leader, in Israeli jail got hold of the Bible, all by himself, instead of Torah of the Jews? The story is very suspecious. But anyways, thats is his problem. But I must remind you, Hamas is not a religious organization, rather it is a political one. A friend say a documentary title, The palestinians or the people of Gaza. I am not sure about the name, but his statement about the report was that the Palestinians are by and large not really religious, or observing Muslims.

In the documentary, the Adan, and later the Iqama for prayer were made, the populace continued in whatever they were doing, without paying attention to the call to prayers. The people playing cards continued, the smokers carried on their smoking, and whatever anyone was doing except those whose heart there is faith, he continued in it.

I, Olabowale, hence still will not be shocked to see you in Hijab, with your whole family hurrying up for Salah. Just like the many I know who left Christianity or Judaism and others for Islam.

@Dayokanu; « #46 on: Yesterday at 06:04:14 AM »

@Olabowale,

I am still looking for news of where people protested a black man on the plane in modern United States for fear of terrorism.

You should know better, if you live in the USA. Most blacks live within the black communities. The wealthy are just scared and tried to conform to the point of almost being "unnoticed", in other communities they live in. If you are muslim, black and wealthy, and not living in the "black communities", and you do wear beard, as a man, you can be assured that you would have at least been visited by the authorities, local or otherwise, since 911. I know, dayokanu. I know my brother. You can tell others about america. I am not one of those people. I know USA. Very well at that.

Many black muslims were asked questions, as if being interrogated, when they fly. The muslim names are sometimes the real reason for being suspected, till they may find out that the bearer is just a 10 year old girl.

I cannot disclose my location in the United states. Can you then tell disprove any of my assertions about Moslems causing trouble and panic all over the world.

Aburo, abi you dey for Fed witness protection program? I wish you well though, whatever your condition is.
We know that Muslims are your problems, not any group. You are okay with Communizm, Socializm, unfair practiced of capitalizm to the point of holding absolute advantage, at the moment, which I will call monopoly. I am not in the viewpoint of Muslims being the cause of world problems of troubles and panics.

Most likely they would argue that they are protesting the US/Israel domination.
Could the US/Israel domination be the reason for terrorism against Hindu in India?
Could it be the reason for terrorism against Buddhist in South east Asia,
Could it be the reason for warfare in Kwara state against Traditional worshippers?
Or could it be the reason for the killing of black Africans in Darfur

I hope that you know that a muslim could still be an ethnic person or tribal person? I am a muslim. Yet I am a black man. Yet I am still an African. Yet am still a Nigerian. yet am still a Yoruba man. Yet am still an Ijebu man. Yet am still an Ijebu Ode boy. Yet am still from Italapo street. Yet am still from my family home. Yet am still a son of my parents. So when any of these identities of me is oppressed by somebody outside of that Identity, becuase of this simple fact that the identity is shared by the oppressor, should I not be angry? Are you surprised that Muslims around the world voice their displeasures at the oppressions they perceived coming from others?

You are from Oyo? Maybe I should invade the place and see how you like it. Let me make it like Gaza, while I act like Israel! Then, just maybe you will understand. The fight in South east asia and India are ethnic issues laced with the obvious difference; religion. And the people of Darfur are muslims, duuh. President Bashir of Sudan is just as dark as any person from Darfur. Could Islam be the reason for their fights? No, since they are all muslims. Other factors, which is not Islam.

@DavidDylan: « #56 on: Today at 03:04:42 AM »

Quote from: RichyBlacK on Today at 02:59:17 AM
Davidylan,

Stop being a lying twaddler! That video you posted has nothing to do with current crisis. It was posted on you tube 9 months ago. Talk about Zionist propaganda machine!

This is a foolish attempt to mislead the unsuspecting person into believing that this video was made recently, as hundreds of Palestinians are being massacred by the murderous Apartheid State of Israel!

Why use a nine-month old video to justify Zionist evil today?


the vide is not about "time scale" . . . it is about the deep seated ideology of HAMAS that HAS NOT CHANGED YET

Has the deep seeded ideology of Zionist Jewish government and its zionist populations among the Jewish citizenry changed since 1940's? Please tell us which is the latest Zionist ideology and point to the change, from the very first World Zionist Congress. Are they different from that of the Brooklyn born slain kahani or the derainged Goldsmith who killed many worshipper in the mosque or that of comatosed Ariel Sharon who marched into Masjid Aqsa amist of the military protections?

@OTEGA1: « on: Today at 05:36:22 AM »

it is suprisings that the arab world that celebrated that the president of america was stoned with a shoe, want the same bush to stope the war . can we say the arab world is shortsighted or that they are reaping the evil they did to the us president in so short a time.
]if i were bush i will ensure that not less than a 1000 sols go to hell in gaza before i intervene.
this is a lesson that u don't mess up with people with power because when they decide to pay back it could be unbelivable,

And Nebuchadnezzer, Numerod and Pharaoh were powerful kings and rulers. Today the equivalence of kings and rulers are Presidents and prime ministers.

But we read about these men of much powers of yesteryears, in historical footnotes as evil souls. And God has promised Pharaoh, for our example, the punishment in the fire.

Otega1, everyone will die. The soul of the dead will be removed from the body that will be buried, cremated, etc. Then when in ressurrection, the soul and body will be recreated in reunion for Judgement day. The powerful and the weak on earth will be judged based on their Godpiety and value system. No king or President will be required less in the day of Judgement. Instead, he/she will be required more, especially on treatment of those they have power over. Think, man.

@anengiyefa; « #9 on: Today at 01:23:40 PM »  

Quote from: RichyBlacK on Today at 12:59:02 PM
For supporting Hamas, those civilians must die! Good point.


They are casualties of a war that would not be taking place at all, had they not elected the extremist Hamas. People need to learn that extremism is not acceptable in today's world. Moderation and compromise are the order of the day. Lessons need to be learnt!

What home are you from in 9ja, my man. I do not want to talk about your tribe or your extended family. They should not be taking the blame for your blind mind. Just imagine yourself alone, along with your clones, in thinking. I will send my passes (whoever they are) to bomb you, or invade you and take your house from you, except the toilet! The toilet is the only place that they will allow you and your clones to live.

Of course by passes have usage of other toilets in the house and can come at anytime and use the one you live in! The whole neighborhood will support my passes, and you can be told who should be your leader. And if we dont like who you elect as your mouthpiece because he will not beg my passes for crumbs, then we will turn the water off, the light off, and make sure that you can't even open the window to cool down your part of the house, the toilet in the heat.

This is a microcosm of what the Zionist Israel has done to the Palestinians. I hope you are alright with it, and hope you can accept to go through the same experience as similarly described. If you can take it, others may not be willing to take it. One of the founding father's of American revolution proclaimed to the English "Give me Liberty (freedom of being self, without encrouchment) of give me death! The determination of the founding fathers was the only ingredient needed to win against all odds.

South Africa's Apartheid was defeated, in time because of consistent determination. The world, soon will see what the zionist Israel is. Give it sometime. Soon enough though. It will be tomorrow, because those who have lived 100 years see every year they have lived as a mere yesterday. Soon enough 50 years will be here. Israel may not survive that long!


I have read from some of the ardent supporters of Israel, on Nairaland. These people maybe post Nigerian Civil war or not, it is not issue here. But the same people have displayed permanent hatred for Awolowo. Rightfully so. I do not like Awolowo and what he stood for, either. However, their hatred of Awolowo was because of their Igboness, and not anything else. Or are they hating Awolowo because of his yorubaness or their non-Igboness. We must not forget the civil war lasted only for 30 months.

Can we blame The Palestinians for their dislikes of Ariel Sharon and all Zionists like him? The war on the Palestinian people started prior to the creation of the state of Israel and has not stopped since. Further, as a good example, could there have been an Igbo person in Igboland during the war who sincerely wholeheartedly loved the people on the other side? This is the case of what we should also expect from the palestinian Gazan and or Westbankers and for the most part the Palestinians in diospora, especially those in refugee camps, in the nations of Middleeast.

I remembered the Igbo Yoruba language broadcaster lady, who was born like many in the West. She was born, raised and was at UI, when the war broke. She was engaged to be married to the eldest of the Omowon's of Ibadan Water Corportion football team fame. She was no Igbo woman, except by her bloodline. Yet she loved Igboland and its people more. Unfortunately, she died before the war, and the future husband did not marry until the mid 1970s.

My point here is this; echoing other people of good conscience, here on Nairaland, put religion aside, should we expect any less from the palestinians not to put up a continuous resistance, reminding the world what an unjust observers we all are, turning a blind eye to or supporting Zionist Israel to carry out her modern ethnic or subethnic cleansing?

The palestinians are different in look, in dialect from Jordanians. The Arabs know each other's specific heritage by their looks and tongues.

@DavidDylan: « on: Yesterday at 08:56:07 PM »

Humanitarian crisis?

Yeah . . . if this is a "refugee camp" then i bet all the people in Ajegunle would love to move there.

big wheel in Gaza city

I guess the Warsaw ghettoes and the likes, and the wearing of armband carry the word "Juderen", is not "disallowing" the Jews before 2nd WW to live their full potential then? I wonder if we can't blame the Zionists for what the Palestinians have suffered, all around the world, since the 1940s, can we blame the Nazis for the suffering of European Jewry before they led by the zionist wing of their heritage invaded "Palestines?"

Please, aburo quote me on it. I only use what an old situation to compare what is a current but similar situation. For me both suffering experiences are evil. The Jews in the hands of the Nazis for their differences, mainly their being successful during the general difficulty suffered by the whole society.

The Palestinians in the hands of the Zionists for their differences, mainly their being from a different branch, even though the older branch, of the same family tree, hence their not being Jewish in religion as well. Or is their a palestinian blood who is jewish? We know there are some who are christians, and even atheists. Could anyone of them be religious Jew and be palestistian?

@DavidDylan: « #13 on: Yesterday at 10:26:03 PM »

did olabowale miss his way or has this thread been moved to the religion section?

Is politics not within Religion? If it is not, I wonder why some people are advocating "separation of religion and state; politics/governance.

I can mention your name some people are so vile that their names become things rejected to say. (Some times this past summer, an australian man was so better about the evilness of a person that we both knew, he couldnt say his name.

« #14 on: Today at 10:46:50 PM »
@olabowale,
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The one leading others to destruction is Mohammed. Is Mohammed not the one who confessed that he is not sure he will make heaven when he dies? This is the sociopath you guys have hinged your eternal salvation on? .

Jannah is paradise. It is a place meant for Muslims. Anyone who reads, can easily know that it is written in the Qur'aan.
Jahanam is hell. It is a place meant for those who are not Muslims. Anyone who can read, will see that the Qur'aan says it is the destinations of disbelievers. The disvelievers are Jews, Christians, Idol worshippers, Atheists and Agnostics.




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Olodo. If Mohammed will plagiarize the Bible, he should have at least plagiarized it well. The Crhistians killing Jews during Armageddon? Where did you get that from? is that one of the revfelations that Mohammed had while on the laps of that 12 year old girrl he married called Aisha?[/quote]Its a good thing that he did a bad job in plagiarization. That simply means he did not plagiarize. For sure there is a point where the Christians will kill the Jews if they do not accept Jesus. Thats a fct among the Christians. The Jews are aware of it. But today, Christianity and judaism have common enemy, Islam.

I wonder if a person who thinks will not realize that a thief will not steal just one time. So too, is a man who likes young children will not be satisfied with marrying just one, while the rest of his wives are old women, widows, divorcees. Thinking is a very hard thing to do for some people of ignorance.




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No Christian scripture? Are you for real? All the authors of the New Testament are christians. Abi you have another definition? Olodo.[/quote]I can't but respond to Richy's attempt to misrepresnt the scriptures here. John 8:44 refers to only a select few of Jews who were attempting to kill Jesus. Going about saying that all Jews are from the devil is an insult on our God. Don't you know that Jesus is called the King of the Jews? Are you in effect calling him the King of devils (i.e Beelzebub)?

You call yourself a Christian and you so revile the Jews? I can't fathom this. Your entire Bible was written by Jews (except maybe two authors). Have you ever read Paul's position on the Jews? Did you not learn that as Christians, we are only grafted into the tree God planted made up of the Jews? As Bastage rightly said, you are nothing but a self-loather. As a Christian, we receive our spiritual heritage through the Jews ans we must forever remain grateful to them. We should give our all in all to them. Are we not told to share our carnal things with those who bless us spiritually? What have you done for the Jews to obey this scripture? Or are you just a Christians in words only?




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Superior? You must be kidding. God wasn't drinking when He gave the earlier scriptures. His Word never changes. I know your idea of God is one who cannot make up his mind, one who can make mistakes and one who is so fickle. Jehovah is not like that, even though your arabian god, allah is that and much more.

I wonder if Moses worshipped three gods; the father, the son and the holy ghost? I wonder if the Jews in their Temples and Synagogues are worshiiping three gods in their services? I will ask Freddy. Maybe I should ask Larry. Or should I ask Vic about this three gods in One for the Jews?




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Scripture is given by inspiration.

And what an inspiration! Considering what the Douwy Bible is; a fuller Bible with at least six or seven real books than Protestants. And th Protestants; KJV, the ever changing but never constant document. What about the verses inserted in one publication or generation and in earlier or later generation exponged? And I have not come down on the 7 days adventists or the Jehovah witnesses, or the Latter day saints! Man, its an inspiration bug. catchy, I will say.

God never works on earth without the participation of humans. If God was looking to do something better, He certainly didn't top Jesus in choosing Mohammed. Infact, compared to the other authors of the Bible, Mohammed is no match for them in terms of morality and uprightness. The same Mohammed who wakes up one morning giving one law is the same who breaks it in the eveing. Take the limit of marriage to 4 women for example.

I read in Surah Azhab that Allah told Muhammad what kinds and types of women are permissable to him. Further in the surah, it was stated by Allah that He the Lord of all Things knows what He had permitted to the Muslims, earlier. So somebody with good sense will go to Surah Nisaa to see what Muslim men are permitted. Four wives. But there is only one Messenger and prophet among them. He is the leader.

While Muslim men can marry Jews and Christians, the Prophet's wives must always be Muslims. So the Coptic Mariam changed her religion and became a muslim. The Jewish girl who was a daughter of a notable rabbi became muslim. Through the marriages of Muhammad (AS), alliances were formed and cemented between people and tribes, with the muslim community.

In yoruba land, where I come from, when people marry from a family, the two families forgo the bad blood between them. I guess a person who has culture with a good dose of human relationship will understand this. (The africans in diospora dont have that. They are probably married to people of foreign bloods, where this is a not so important thing. I am not knocking anybody's marriage. What float them boat, them do it. Am using this as a means of explanation of realities on the ground with Muhammad (AS)).




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He did not take glory for himself? Yet he is mentioned in the same sentence with your god each time you proclim your faith in allah. How deceived can one be?[/quote]Wow! A prophet could not be mentioned as a prophet of God, after his Lord as been mentioned as the Lord?




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Says who? Your pedophile prophet?[/quote]Is there an event in the future where the Jews will have to be choose Christianity or death?





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Keep foaming in the mouth. Everyone know what I'm talking about, including you who will like to make this an issue of semantics.[/quote]People who read minds, maybe. But I dont. What a person says is what I believe unless, his heart betrays him.





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So it is the book written by that arabian gangster that you call your own book? Mohammed is already discredit as someone who lacks any moral fiber. He was killed by a Jewess which explains his curses upon them during his dying days. But he forgot one thing. God's word which cannot be broken alread declares that God will bless those who bless Isreal and curse those who curse them. So therefore, not only is Mohammed cursed, the book he authored is cursed as well. What do you make of those who hold on to the cursed book as their basis for godliness?[/quote]In my haydays in Brooklyn, it was popular for the thugs (yo vinnie, you talking to me? kinda crowds) to wear sleeveless shirts, with a lot of gold chains draped around their necks. They still do that, today?

As a muslim, my Ijebu Ode (Voo doo) blood is purified, that the orisha that my people should have worshipping is stamped out, completely. As the Christians will say without knowing that haven't left it; I do not worship God and marmor. My Lord is but a single God! And as much as I love women, (Kweenisha, this statement is for you, girl; if Islam did not restrict me), I would just have continued to marry and compete with "Will Chamberlin', at least. Morality; my humanity is elevated by Islam.[/quote][/quote]

@DavidDylan: « #10 on: Today at 08:45:31 PM »  

What God says about the Jews:

Psalm 78:68 But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved.

Psalm 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

If this correct, then we see that it rendered your New testament useless! Or doesn't, since it is a post Psalm document, right?
After Psalm, Judeah and Israel, the two nations of the children of Israel after the reign of Prophet king Solomon (AS) were sacked many times!

In modern era, the Christian crusaders killed them just as much as they killed the Muslims. Then i do not want to talk about the
WWs! You at least know the story. Today Christianity is fluorishing and waiting for therapture to finish the job on the Jews. Germany is still flourishing, aint it, David? What will account these against all odds in the face of the prophetic Psalm verses, above? If these verses, are correct and its for the Jews, the good, the bad and the ugly in characters of them, by now Christianity and Germany should not be in existence!

which bible is Richy reading?


Tayo asked a very salient question that i've been looking for answers to - why are ALL but one of the quranic "prophets" jewish?

Adam, Idris, Nuuh, Saleh, Hud, Shuiba, Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Isiaq, Yaqub (Israel; and he was not a Jew. One of his sons is name Judah where the word Jew as a tradition of people and relion came about), Yusuf (AS to all of them). And finally, the last messengr and the seal of prophethood, Muhammad (AS)! If you have any knowledge to proof me wrong, please dont be shy.

I could have named others, like Musa (AS), but am not in competion to get every prophet from you. I want you to not too ashamed when we speak, again. Afterall, the Levites, the Benjamites, and other tribes are part of the Israelites, and not juts the Judah family line that makes their congregations complete, today in their saadah parties in Chanukkah or Yoomkipur!

Have you been to one, before? I have attended many. Duuh! But I will not attend them, ever!  

Do we need to ask what would happen if the arabs had landed in Africa?

Well look no further than the destruction of Egyptian culture, Algeria, Libya, Muaritania (were black slave trade still exists) and Sudan. I'd take the jews anyday . . . with their skill and superior industry they would have made Africa one of the most industrialised continents on earth.

And there used to be a civilization of the Egyptian people. The greater Jewish people, who used to be known as Children of Israel, were slaved under them. I think we can say that the palestinians will feel differently about the Jews. They do know them more intimately than you. Or you live in Palestine or are you palestinian? The palestine where they are, the state of Israel is the number one nation in Human trafficking. Sex industry is a lucrative job there. The women from eastern Europe, Russia, Romania, Poland. And now the influx of Darfur regugees must be areal bumper crop. Maybe the second manna from heaven for them. Except this is one is their own evil heaven.

I dont wanna tell you the Jewish Joke of rabbi who came from Tel Aviv and went to Mustang ranch, in Nevada. A friend of mine was saying, about the Sex industry in the Israeli society; is this what they think they own the land for?

« #9 on: Today at 06:07:44 PM »  

@topic,

I feel the need like Paul, to defend and confirm the Gospel in the face of so-called christians who twist the scriptures unto their own destruction. Phill 1:9 - Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.

The Saul with a grace different from Jesus? Wow, the defender of followers of Jesus or the distractor to destruction? We see how he beat down on the disciples!

I can't but respond to Richy's attempt to misrepresnt the scriptures here.  John 8:44 refers to only a select few of Jews who were attempting to kill Jesus.  Going about saying that all Jews are from the devil is an insult on our God.  Don't you know that Jesus is called the King of the Jews?  Are you in effect calling him the King of devils (i.e Beelzebub)?

You call yourself a Christian and you so revile the Jews?  I can't fathom this. Your entire Bible was written by Jews (except maybe two authors).  Have you ever read Paul's position on the Jews?  Did you not learn that as Christians, we are only grafted into the tree God planted made up of the Jews?  As Bastage rightly said, you are nothing but a self-loather.  As a Christian, we receive our spiritual heritage through the Jews ans we must forever remain grateful to them.  We should give our all in all to them. Are we not told to share our carnal things with those who bless us spiritually? What have you done for the Jews to obey this scripture? Or are you just a Christians in words only?

And in the battle of armageddon, watch out, Jews. The christians whom you gave spiritual water fountain to drink from will slaughter you, or force you to become Christians. You see the hypocracy in this, or are you blind to the message. Temporary gratefulness is not as the last act of mass killing that the Jews will get from your anger. The last act is what is memorable here. Duuh.

Thank God. We read that there is no "christian Scripture" but Jewish Scripture. This is exactly what Jesus said; he was not sent but to the house of Israel. Qur'aan says the same thing. So the notion that Jesus is for the whole world is a dodd! Christianity is a manmade after Jesus had left. Hence it is in name only.

The muslims too that here screaming about Jews, have they no shame? Their holy book which was plagiarized mostly from the Bible says a lot in terms of the Jews. What percentage of the Prophets that they have are Jews?  Do you guys think that God is like men who will change his mind about people?  The Jews are here to stay and as Jesus told Paul, you can not kick against the pricks.

Plagiarization; Read the story of Musa, in Surah Taha, and other places parts of the Qur'aan. Read the story of Yusuf, and others. What about Nuuh. What about Adam; how did he receive his forgiveness? Your Bible said he was created in a garden called eden in Iraq. Qur'aan says he was created in heaven, then entered paradise, and later was sent down to earth! Compare these and others. You will see which Book is superior to the other, in details and the essence of the stories.

Finally, think about it, how could the plagiarized be better than the original? If there is no hand of God in the better Book, then the god that revealed the weaker book must be a weak god, and not truly a God. As in the case of the Bible, you see the hands of men; these are your weak gods, their corruptions.

I just have to tell you this, man; if Muhammad (as) was the author of the Qur'aan, which is more superior than what your weak gods can muster, then Muhammad is an exceptional man, yet he did not take the glory for himself. Is thre anyone in history who could be that humble? For me, Muhammad (AS) is the Messenger and last Prophet of Allah.

God recognizes only 3 groups of people in the world - the Jews, the Gentiles (or nations) and the Church. All three groups will be here till the rapture when God's final time table for the earth will come to a close with only the Jews and the Gentiles as players.  What we are seeing in the ME right now is a preview of coming attractions.

The Church? I hear. And at rapture, the jews will be pummelled by the church and the gentiles? I guess thegentiles are the christians. lol. This is laughable.

To Richy and co who call themselves Christians, do you know what Jesus said of those who do not give proper regard to his brothers the Jews? You really need to go dust your Bible and start learning. Trying to proclaim yourself self-rightous while kicking against God's will on the earth is nothing short of foolishness.  Don't you know that the anti-christ spirit is rooted in anti-semitism?

The jews are the brothers of your god? Is there a god that has brothers, except that he is a fake? The semites consists of all middleeastern bloods, and not just the branch of Isaac! To think semitic blood is restricted to Isaac family, alone, is like saying that only Oyo people are the Omo Oduduwa. Or to say that the Igbos are Umochukwu and the arochukwu people are not!

God permitting, since everyone on this thread is starting to realise that the ME problems cannot be properly viewed and solved outside of its religious perspectives, I might open a thread to explain what is going on there from a biblical perspective.  Stay tuned for coming attractions.

Christianity, a branch of Judaism. Proof; they are the owners of the Scripture that you read. It is made for them by them and not by you and not for you, except that you took it because you aint got no scripture of your own. Am correct since when the Good News of Jesus (AS) was revealed while there was no people or religion known as Christians or Christianity, respectively.

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I asked him if he believed, as some Hamas theologians do (and certainly as many Hezbollah leaders do) that Jews are the "sons of pigs and apes." He gave me an interesting answer that reflects a myopic reading of the Koran. "Allah changed disobedient Jews into apes and pigs, it is true, but he specifically said these apes and pigs did not have the ability to reproduce. So it is not literally true that Jews today are descended from pigs and apes, but it is true that some of the ancestors of Jews were transformed into pigs and apes, and it is true that Allah continually makes the Jews pay for their crimes in many different ways. They are a cursed people."[/quote]This belief is not borne from any place, except that it is from the Word of Allah. From one of the villages of the Jews, a group of fishermen who were rebellious against the commandment of Allah concerning the process of fishing against the back drop of the observance of sabbath, were turned to Pigs and Apes. You do know that the Jewish community in Palestine at that time was well beyond this single village. If you don't then, you must have known just nothing about mankind.

After this event, the Children of Israel had other prophets and messengers. Jesus, John and Zachariah were famous prophets after the event of some becoming Pigs and Apes. But wait, was not angry with the Children of Israel in the time of Moses, because they made idols, thereby killing a good portion of them? There were other times that God was angry, like when somebody touched the ark, or came near the tabernacle.

And during the time of your human god, David. Didn't your human god cursed them, too? Now, in true presentation of the Islamic position, of whom Allah cursed. They are the disbelievers. In the same Qur'an, Allah cursed the disbelievers and evil doers among the Arabs. Surah Lahab is a complete condemnation of a paternal Uncle of the Prophet (AS), Abi Lahab and his wife.

Abu Jahl was also an Uncle of the prophet (AS). This man Abi Jahl was predicted to die and go to hell. he died on the spot promised him. Now whats your complain about turning a group of evil doers to Pigs and Apes?

Was this the first time an evil person or persons would be turned to animal? What about Nebuchadnezzar? Now have you heard of anyone good and full of piety to God that was turned to animal or met with injustice by God? Didn't Pharaoh died in the flood? Are the Egyptians or Coptic race of people angry because of this? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeze, man.




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What are our crimes? I asked Rayyan. "You are murderers of the prophets and you have closed your ears to the Messenger of Allah," he said. "Jews tried to kill the Prophet, peace be unto him. All throughout history, you have stood in opposition to the word of God."[/quote]The writer is a Jew. I wonder if this writer is neutral in this respect? It as if someone will think that I will be happy and fair and balanced if I found a person wanting to beat down my aged mother, even though she was at fault. I at least will lean towards her because of emotional connection. This writer in all honesty should be viewed from that same facade. The reason is the use of "our" in his question. And the answer of Rayyan is not the complete reason the palestinians have. If it is, they would be raising the flag of Islam and not that of nationalistic palestine!

@DavidDylan: « on: Today at 05:51:11 AM »
Let me respond to your enboldened portions. These are two places I believe merit any discussion.

Nizar Rayyan of Hamas on God's Hatred of Jews
02 Jan 2009 01:12 pm

Nizzar Rayyan, the Hamas leader who was killed, along with two of his wives and several of his children, in an Israeli bombing raid earlier this week, was one of the more bellicose Hamas leaders I have known. I saw him last in Gaza two years ago, at a mosque in the Jabalya Refugee Camp, where I spent quite a lot of time (my book Prisoners explains why).

He was one of the more Islamically-learned Hamas leaders I've met (Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was learned as well, I think, but he was very hard to understand; Abdel Aziz Rantisi, who was the least pleasant of all the Hamas leaders I've known, was not very learned at all). In particular, Rayyan was interested in the hadith, the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, with a special interest in hadith that painted Jews in a negative light. Rayyan and I discussed the writing of Ibn Taymiyya, the Muslim scholar who lived seven hundred years ago, and who is the intellectual forefather of Sunni radicalism today (it was Ibn Taymiyya who elevated jihad to a kind-of sixth pillar of Islam). Like Ibn Taymiyya, Rayyan was preoccupied with Muslim apostasy. He never quite said so, but I could sense that he thought of Abu Mazen and the other leaders of the Palestinian Authority as traitors not only to the cause of Palestine, but to Islam itself. "You cannot be loyal to Allah and to the CIA at the same time," he said of his P.A. enemies.

There are things I didn't know about Rayyan, such as that he had four wives - a fact that tells you something about the culture of Hamas - but I knew that he was sincere in his devotion to the cause of Israel's annhilation. The question I wrestle with constantly is whether Hamas is truly, theologically implacable. That is to say, whether the organization can remain true to its understanding of Islamic law and God's word and yet enter into a long-term non-aggression treaty with Israel. I tend to think not, though I've noticed over the years a certain plasticity of belief among some Hamas ideologues. Also, this is the Middle East, so anything is possible.

There was no flexibility with Rayyan. This is what he said when I asked him if he could envision a 50-year hudna (or cease-fire) with Israel: "The only reason to have a hudna is to prepare yourself for the final battle. We don't need 50 years to prepare ourselves for the final battle with Israel." There is no chance, he said, that true Islam would ever allow a Jewish state to survive in the Muslim Middle East. "Israel is an impossibility. It is an offense against God."

I asked him if he believed, as some Hamas theologians do (and certainly as many Hezbollah leaders do) that Jews are the "sons of pigs and apes." He gave me an interesting answer that reflects a myopic reading of the Koran. "Allah changed disobedient Jews into apes and pigs, it is true, but he specifically said these apes and pigs did not have the ability to reproduce. So it is not literally true that Jews today are descended from pigs and apes, but it is true that some of the ancestors of Jews were transformed into pigs and apes, and it is true that Allah continually makes the Jews pay for their crimes in many different ways. They are a cursed people."

This belief is not borne from any place, except that it is from the Word of Allah. From one of the villages of the Jews, a group of fishermen who were rebellious against the commandment of Allah concerning the process of fishing against the back drop of the observance of sabbath, were turned to Pigs and Apes. You do know that the Jewish community in Palestine at that time was well beyond this single village. If you dont then, you must have known just nothing about mankind.

After this event, the Children of Israel had other prophets and messengers. Jesus, John and Zachariah were famous prophets after the event of some becoming Pigs and Apes. But wait, was not angry with the Children of Israel in the time of Moses, because they made idols, thereby killing a good portion of them? There were other times that God was angry, like when somebody touched the ark, or came near the tabernacle.

And during the time of your human god, David. Didn't your human god cursed them, too? Now, in true presentation of the Islamic position, of whom Allah cursed. They are the disbelievers. In the same Qur'an, Allah cursed the disbelievers and evil doers among the Arabs. Surah Lahab is a complete condemnation of a paternal Uncle of the Prophet (AS), Abi Lahab and his wife.

Abu Jahl was also an Uncle of the prophet (AS). This man Abi Jahl was predicted to die and go to hell. he died on the spot promised him. Now whats your complain about turning a group of evil doers to Pigs and Apes?

Was this the first time an evil person or persons would be turned to animal? What about Nebuchadnezzar? Now have you heard of anyone good and full of piety to God that was turned to animal or met with injustice by God? Didn't Pharaoh died in the flood? Are the Egyptians or Coptic race of people angry because of this? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeze, man.

What are our crimes? I asked Rayyan. "You are murderers of the prophets and you have closed your ears to the Messenger of Allah," he said. "Jews tried to kill the Prophet, peace be unto him. All throughout history, you have stood in opposition to the word of God."

The writer is a Jew. I wonder if this writer is neutral in this respect? It as if someone will think that I will be happy and fair and balanced if I found a person wanting to beat down my aged mother, even though she was at fault. I at least will lean towards her because of emotional connection. This writer in all honesty should be viewed from that same facade. The reason is the use of "our" in his question. And the answer of Rayyan is not the complete reason the palestinians have. If it is, they would be raising the flag of Islam and not that of nationalistic palestine!

@Dayokanu: « #43 on: Today at 12:55:17 AM »

@olabowale.
Are you kidding me?
The same moslems that ran riot in Ife because some adults are watching mojo.

people in America not scared? please check CNN and see how an airtran flight sent out 10 Moslems because the other occupants of the plane were scraed.

I live in the US, too. In the New York City public transportation system, the "if you see something, say something" is a statement that people react on without any real justification.

Did you noticed that one of the muslims is a black man, who works for the Library of Congress? And how about the young Dr.? I guess you have no understanding of how the White Anglo_Saxon protestants; WASP see others who dont look like them?

What village do you live in yankee, man?

In my hometown, Moslems clash with masquerades on a regular basis.Moslems clash with Christians regularly.

I am from oyo state and some years back moslems went on rampage because they wanted Students in Missionary school St Annes, St loius, Olivet and co to start wearing Hijab and some teachers were beaten by Moslem rioters in the process.

Were you not alive when a Christian teacher was killed in Gombe State?

I guess I dont live in Gombe! Dayokanu, aburo. Were you alive when Azikwe, was the President of Nigeria? lol.

@ScottN: « #4 on: Today at 12:04:15 AM »

Can't u c that the Jews r God's chosen people and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Just let them b. Just look at them they r successful in every sphere of life esp in America. Doesn't that tell u s/thing?

Were they not the chosen people when they were sacked, many atimes in the olden days? Were they notchosen people, when many of them died in the desert, during the exodus journey?

Are they still chosen people during the holocaust? Are Christian not the chosen people now, since they claim the New Covenant is with them?

The point is a truly chosen people is not based on heritage, but in individual God piety in true belief of God.

The Jews lost this as a religion. And for sure always as a people. God will not chose evil people for Himself! Could they have remained as chosen people when they erect golden calf? Didn't God Himself killed the evil doers? They were not chosen people. All believers are chosen people. True belief is the yardstick and not heritage of tribe and tongue.

@~Lady~: « #31 on: Yesterday at 06:46:25 AM »

Olabowale e dey pain u for bodi?

e dey pain u for bodi sey people convert from Islam to Christianity?

Am sure the American converts to Islam, will calm my nerves.

Go and jump in a river if you wish.

Its too cold to do that above mason dixie line.

And um in Atlanta muslims are converting to Christianity in case you don't know. My aunt happens to be one of them, so you can close your eyes and wish all you want.

Um. In Atlanta, 30 years ago, there was a 101 Masajid. Today, you hardly find a Masjid in Atlanta. Maybe one on matin Luther king Boulevard. When we see an aunt converting, I guess it looks like Islam is waining. But thank Allah, that we have many whites, Blacks, Spanish and others converting!

And I have asked you to repect yourself, so start doing just that.

Your big mouth, is too small for what you are saying.
But I will allow you, since you live in Atlanta. The city where there is no Muslim.